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Why do you need all of the answers explained to you.
I don't need all the answers explained to me but only getting more questions all the time doesn't give me a satisfied feeling and starts to get annoying after 3 years.
Life's allready full of unsolved questions ... I'd like to see some answered when watching TV.
What if the answers aren't the ones you're looking for?
Is the entire series shit then?
Nope ... but the least I expect is to get an answer ... instead of just a bunch more (unanswered) questions.
I get the impression they think the average attention span of the Lost-audience is about as long as a grown-up rabbit, and they just forget what happened in the previous episode(s), so there's no need to solve the questions posed in earlier shows.
You should download some series' of University Challenge. Every question on that gets answered almost immediately :yes:
Where to begin?
Lost is a revolution in televisual storytelling. I'll get the 'answers' out of the way first. The viewer is constantly barraged by a series of key mystery elements which fuel the intrigue and drive the plot inexorably forwards. Think of those Russian dolls within dolls of even a fractal pattern widening outwards to reveal the enormity of the narrative. If you're looking for glib, self-contained popcornesque pish, then go watch Prison Break. The very core of Lost is the tantalus of not knowing what's coming next. To produce the argument that we're not getting any answers (which is simply not true, btw) is to completely miss the artistic ethos of the show. All the answers will come. Of this I am certain and to give them to us now would render the rest of the story redundant when the show strives from strength to strength.
More to follow.
So it's a kind of modern Mork and Mindy.
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I've watched Lost since the being and I do agree that at one point(2nd season) it was evident that they had no idea where they wanted to take the series.The producers admit it themselves.So the did an unheard of thing for TV they requested that the network agree to setting an end date.
That allowed the writers to start approaching it more like a novel or movie where they aren't just filling time but rather working towards a definite ending.
Everything(mostly)has a point.You just have to look hard enough to find it.
Lost is a Tour De Force in experimental split-structure narrative. In this it is completely unique. It is told from multiple POV's and we perceive the action from a first-person perspective. We learn as the characters learn. On-island events are smash-cut with character flash-backs (well, up until the end of Season 3 anyway). These flash-backs widen the arc of the story to interconnect each disparate character in a cross-hatch style never before attempted in television. Each episode is laden with literary/filmic references which, while pertaining to that episode's theme, also provide a rich treasure trove for movie/literature geeks like myself. To take just 'The Numbers' as one example, they reoccur in the most inventive, mind-bogglingly latent ways. One is constantly on the look-out in the background for new, subtle employment of them. They are based on an actual exercise in mathematics dubbed The Valenzetti Equasion which produces a mathematical formula for the end of the world.
Yes, loads more to follow.
First of all you make it sound as if this is some kind of highly intellectual show and I seem to be the one that's just not getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
I'm sorry but Lost is meant to be popcornesque entertainment, or at least it was intended to be. Maybe you feel different about that but i think that is something you personally feel, and doesn't need to be so.
But apart from the fact that it migh or might not be intellectual, I am indeed referring to the fact that at some point in the series the writers didn't have a clue why, what, where, why it all was happening.
Now maybe most of the viewers didn't notice that but I did (long before the writers officially admitted they didn't have a clue anymore).
Indeed there are some answers that are given, but the amount of new mysteries that pop-up was imho very frustrating at some point.
Spoiler: ShowFor example in the first series there was a polar bear on the island, we are now at season 4 and there has not been any answer to that question up till now. And this is just one example, but there are a lot more...
Spoiler: ShowAt a certain point a guy with a patch on one eye appears in the series, he dies when crossing the fence and a few episodes later he pops back up and kills Charlie without any explanation how that is possible. I'm sorry but I don't like that kind of twists in a story.
I hope you are right but I don't think you are in a position to guarantee that fact, or you must be some guy that can put pressure on the writers/producers .Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
Looking forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
I agree with you if you say there are various very clever aspects to the series, but it has to lead somewhere and remain believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
By that I mean it can be an incredible series with genius turns and twists and references but it has to lead somewhere and on a certain point in the series I begun to doubt seriously if anybody still knew where all of it would end or why certain things happened.
I feel it wasn't on purpose that various things that happened weren't explained later and will probably not be explained ever. Because they were written from a particular point of view the writers had at some point in the series, but what was later abandonned to choose for another direction.
I agree that this series could be the best by far, but that will only happen if the writers come up with some genious story that explains everything that has been happening.
If they won't do that you can say/believe all you want but than you have been watching a shitty show imho, full of random twists and turns that aren't based on a coherent sory and than you have a very weak plot-line.
Disme, before I respond to your post, can you not edit it to at least spoiler tag the spoilers.
I'm trying to convince JP to watch the bloody thing and I don't want it spoiled for him.
You'll notice I've stayed away from any obvious spoilers.
Hoi JP, there's a plane crash.
spoiler above.
Chalice Lost may be unique for television but J.J. Abrams got the split narrative idea from watching Rashomon.
And Disme the whole concept behind Lost is all about the not being Locked in time(both figuratively and literally).Hence anything is possible.
Done ... and my sincere apologies for this ... got a little carried away I guess and wasn't thinking 'straight'.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
Disme, your questions answered below.
Spoiler: ShowWell, presumably they escaped from the Dharma bear testing station where the Others imprisoned Kate and Sawyer at the beginning of Series 3. When Sawyer worked out how to get a fish biscuit, one of the Others said "The bears did it quicker than that"Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
Spoiler: ShowI just assumed he wasn't actually killed by the sonic fence thing, just rendered unconscious. Anyway, the "island" has the ability to bring people back. For example Locke was brought back to life near the end of Series 3Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
Maybe if you watched it in HD?:naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by DismeI agree with you if you say there are various very clever aspects to the series, but it has to lead somewhere and remain believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
By that I mean it can be an incredible series with genius turns and twists and references but it has to lead somewhere and on a certain point in the series I begun to doubt seriously if anybody still knew where all of it would end or why certain things happened.
I feel it wasn't on purpose that various things that happened weren't explained later and will probably not be explained ever. Because they were written from a particular point of view the writers had at some point in the series, but what was later abandonned to choose for another direction.
I agree that this series could be the best by far, but that will only happen if the writers come up with some genious story that explains everything that has been happening.
If they won't do that you can say/believe all you want but than you have been watching a shitty show imho, full of random twists and turns that aren't based on a coherent sory and than you have a very weak plot-line.
Still doesn't explain Richard Alpert though.:(
Particularly why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
:glag::earl:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Maybe if you watched it in HD?:naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
That's probly it.
why, what, where, why, what, where, why, what, where, why, what, where, why...thats the whole storyline of lost.
Nobody said you were stupid, mate. I'm quite sure you're intellectually equipped to view the show on whichever level you chose to watch it. Popcorn and highbrow drama are not mutually exclusive. I think Lost has proven this. Just to browse some of the speculative forums scattered around the interweb is testament to the density involved with the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by DismeFirst of all you make it sound as if this is some kind of highly intellectual show and I seem to be the one that's just not getting it.
I'm sorry but Lost is meant to be popcornesque entertainment, or at least it was intended to be. Maybe you feel different about that but i think that is something you personally feel, and doesn't need to be so.
But apart from the fact that it migh or might not be intellectual, I am indeed referring to the fact that at some point in the series the writers didn't have a clue why, what, where, why it all was happening.
Now maybe most of the viewers didn't notice that but I did (long before the writers officially admitted they didn't have a clue anymore).
Indeed there are some answers that are given, but the amount of new mysteries that pop-up was imho very frustrating at some point.
Spoiler: ShowFor example in the first series there was a polar bear on the island, we are now at season 4 and there has not been any answer to that question up till now. And this is just one example, but there are a lot more...
Spoiler: ShowAt a certain point a guy with a patch on one eye appears in the series, he dies when crossing the fence and a few episodes later he pops back up and kills Charlie without any explanation how that is possible. I'm sorry but I don't like that kind of twists in a story.
I hope you are right but I don't think you are in a position to guarantee that fact, or you must be some guy that can put pressure on the writers/producers .Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
Looking forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
The show has encountered some practicality issues, no doubt but given the nature of TV, these, I think were unavoidable.
Spoiler: ShowBy this I'm more referring to the direction/obligations of some of the cast. Mr Eko was originally conceived to have much larger role to play in the overall narrative but the actor (I won't even attempt to spell his name) answered to the call of Hollywood so a lot of script-shuffling just had to happen. The same is true with Rousseau. She simply asked to be written out. Depriving us of our much anticipated and promised flash-back. that, I'll admit pisses me off no end.
Spoiler: ShowAs Barbs has said, if you look hard enough you'll get the answers to a lot of questions. Granted, blink and you'll miss them but they're there nonetheless.
It has been heavily suggested that the Polar Bear was part of DHARMA experimentation centre called The Hydra where Kate, Jack and Sawyer are held during the first half of season 3.
When Mickael seemingly returns from the dead in The Man Behind The Curtain, Ben says 'I thought you were dead' to which he replies, 'Fortunately the fence was not set to a lethal level'
As far as getting the questions answered appropriately and putting pressure on the writers is concerned, I don't need to. I've got about 5 million Lost geeks on the internet to do that for me. The writers are very receptive to the fans. More so than any show I've ever seen. They know that unless they satisfy the audience, they'll have a fucking nerd-quake on their hands. They'll have to take their families into hiding if they don't deliver. We'll have this conversation again in 2010 and we'll be in a better position to argue about it.
I'll make sure I'm here at the back of eight to see how it pans out.
I'm swithering between Chalice's "it's genious" position and the equally compelling Disme's "load of shite" stance.
Fuck sake, just watch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
I've got dishes to do before Mrs JP gets in. Too much time fannying about with you on the internebs today.
Thank fuck I went for a haircut (No 4) or I'd be in real trouble.
Although I like your description of our discussion I don't think it's a complete 'load of shite'. It's actually quite good but it also needs a terrible end to make it worth while watching for all those years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
It's like Chalice said...just watch it and than you can discuss it with us.
I was just distilling the discussion to it's essential element.
I'll get back to you for the discussion when I've watched 60 hours of television.
@challice: when you've got 5 mins spare, please make a DVD for me, "the best of lost"
cut out all the hours n hours n hours of pointless crap just leave the important facts of the whole 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th series so far k'thnx.
I'd be interested in watching an edited version without all the flashbacks, tbh :sacrilege:
For all you Attention Span Deficit Disorderlys, here's the abridged version.
All You Need To Know About Lost In 4.24 minutes.
For those who actually want to watch the show from the start, I'd give this vid a wide berth If I were you.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpc60JyAnl4[/youtube]
thanks, no wait there, you say lost is all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
but you can put all the best bits into 4.24 minutes? something's not right. :no:
I think you're lost already!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
I didn't say it was the best bits, Allen.
It's for people like you who can't sit still for 40 minutes at a time without chucking an epileptic fit.
The best bits of LostSpoiler: Show
You're totally getting the swing of things these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Kudos all over the place to you.
I agree with the Irish Lad.
Then watch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sextent
I was really looking forward to the season finale but I'm afraid that it left me a bit underwhelmed.
Underwhelmed like a fox.
I watched the first episode of Season 1.
It had invisible dinosaurs crushing trees and cheesy merkin accents.
I never watched it again. True story.
Some of my cleverest friends swear by it's genius. Maybe i'll try again one day. Maybe if the merkin accent didn't annoy me so. :dabs: