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Originally Posted by predateur

you have to know , i dont trade for pleasure i trade when i want to join a tracker because in my opinion its the fastest way and easy , i dont wanna licking ass for an invite or made stupide request and write my life and my dreams there ect...

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hm i recently acquired one of these harder to get sites for a friend in one hour just with bugging some guys as i felt he was a decent person..
can you beat that with trading?
ah yeah.. i dont lick asses either.. ;)

Create an account for me on iTs , then pm me the user name and password .

if u give orignal mail with user and pass , no one can catch u

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if u give orignal mail with user and pass , no one can catch u

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Why do you cheat ?

yeah, well what if you're moving? im moving in 3 months to somewhere 6 hours away. i doubt any trackers except your iTS tracker will think about banning me, and I'm not a member there so whatever.

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if u give orignal mail with user and pass , no one can catch u

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Torrent sites staff would see the ip range change .

It's sad to see people using sites, instead of becoming members of those sites.

Truth is, people won't stop trading until they understand what it means to become a member of a community. As long as it is another place to steal faster for them, or to increase the pokemon collection, it won't matter to them.

But not all is lost ben, at least you won't waste more time explaining this concept to traders again.

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Originally Posted by S3v3N

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if u give orignal mail with user and pass , no one can catch u

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Torrent sites staff would see the ip range change .

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traded? no way. i moved to egypt. such a nice country to live. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

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Originally Posted by S3v3N

Torrent sites staff would see the ip range change .

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traded? no way. i moved to egypt. such a nice country to live. :lol:

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and i torrent from top of pyramid?

leeching from big pharaoh's nose in stone

The security excuse to ban traders is so lame , big sites like thepiratebay,mininova,etc etc are there and never been down.

and if bit-tards can get accounts on l33t torrent sites then anti piracy agencies can get it easily.

That's my opinion may be i am wrong .

S3v3N if an undercover pig wants to get inside a tracker to then prosecute it, all he'd have to do is trade.

IMO that would be much easier than integrating into a community and taking the time to know people, then get invited.

If the pig took the latter route, by the time he was in the "1337" sites like you put them, he'd have been converted, and wouldn't want to harm the community anymore.

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Originally Posted by S3v3N

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if u give orignal mail with user and pass , no one can catch u

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Torrent sites staff would see the ip range change .

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u can try it by your self if u dont believe me , u can trade any tracker and no one can catch u

Real Fact ^^

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

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Originally Posted by S3v3N

Torrent sites staff would see the ip range change .

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traded? no way. i moved to egypt. such a nice country to live. :lol:

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spam , eh ?

Here is a scenario that has happened and could happen to people that trade accounts and end up even bringing in innocent people that have no idea what happened into the mix.

1.User A trades account to User B
2.User B cheats and gets caught cheating
3.User A's and B's IP and usernames are passed around the different sites that work together to stop account trading and cheaters.
4.User A and B end up loosing a few accounts and if caught on some sites even there inviter's get there invite privileges removed or worse.

User A is labeled as a person who invites cheats/trades accounts and User B is labeled a chest/account trader and the different inviter's are left wondering what the hell did they do to loose there invite privileges or worse.

Here is how I see invite requests working a good user makes an invite request on FST and someone with invites reads it and maybe has an invite to spare, so he/she does a little background checking by reading posts on here and maybe even asking other trusted members on here for advice.

After all this if the inviter feels he wants to invite the person he asks for ratio proofs and any other info he feels he needs and fills the request threw pm.

This way there is no trade and more then likely you will have invited someone that will contribute to the site in question and make you feel good for inviting that person.

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Originally Posted by benchez

trackers aren't against users, they just want to be secure. The stance you take however is against the well being of trackers. It's people like you that are responsible for sites getting shut down. Clearly you don't give a fuck if sites get closed down. You are against BT. I would put you in the same category as anyone who is a threat to private trackers, like BREIN etc.
You are happy to take what you want and happy to treat the people that give it to you FOR FREE like shit and irresponsibly make trouble for them. Yeah great morals you have there.

It's not a fucking game kids. Staffers don't want to waste their time chasing after foolish kids.

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Originally Posted by DKre8ive1

Here is a scenario that has happened and could happen to people that trade accounts and end up even bringing in innocent people that have no idea what happened into the mix.

1.User A trades account to User B
2.User B cheats and gets caught cheating
3.User A's and B's IP and usernames are passed around the different sites that work together to stop account trading and cheaters.
4.User A and B end up loosing a few accounts and if caught on some sites even there inviter's get there invite privileges removed or worse.

User A is labeled as a person who invites cheats/trades accounts and User B is labeled a chest/account trader and the different inviter's are left wondering what the hell did they do to loose there invite privileges or worse.

Here is how I see invite requests working a good user makes an invite request on FST and someone with invites reads it and maybe has an invite to spare, so he/she does a little background checking by reading posts on here and maybe even asking other trusted members on here for advice.

After all this if the inviter feels he wants to invite the person he asks for ratio proofs and any other info he feels he needs and fills the request threw pm.

This way there is no trade and more then likely you will have invited someone that will contribute to the site in question and make you feel good for inviting that person.

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And if someone from the authorities wanted to get into these 'high level' sites, what would stop them from making a few cute posts here talking about 'community' and getting accounts on other sites, using a seedbox there and have these 'ratio proofs'. Now you're still inviting someone who you don't want to join your community but it wasn't a trade at all.
I just think that it would be smarter for the authorities to go after large communities like TL or RevTT because it's not only easier to get into them but theres more content being spread around and perhaps they're making more profits. Yet, I don't see any of the staff from those sites coming here and talking about trading and protecting their sites.
This doesnt mean i'm pro/anti trading. It's just that excuse of traders bringing down sites is lame. If the authorities decide to take down a tracker, they have many more ways to do it than 'trading'. Stopping people from trading is not going to stop sites from getting busted.

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Originally Posted by DKre8ive1

Here is a scenario that has happened and could happen to people that trade accounts and end up even bringing in innocent people that have no idea what happened into the mix.

1.User A trades account to User B
2.User B cheats and gets caught cheating
3.User A's and B's IP and usernames are passed around the different sites that work together to stop account trading and cheaters.
4.User A and B end up loosing a few accounts and if caught on some sites even there inviter's get there invite privileges removed or worse.

User A is labeled as a person who invites cheats/trades accounts and User B is labeled a chest/account trader and the different inviter's are left wondering what the hell did they do to loose there invite privileges or worse.

Here is how I see invite requests working a good user makes an invite request on FST and someone with invites reads it and maybe has an invite to spare, so he/she does a little background checking by reading posts on here and maybe even asking other trusted members on here for advice.

After all this if the inviter feels he wants to invite the person he asks for ratio proofs and any other info he feels he needs and fills the request threw pm.

This way there is no trade and more then likely you will have invited someone that will contribute to the site in question and make you feel good for inviting that person.

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that's right. allow me to add, that it doesn't matter if user A trades the account to user B or gives it away for free. the results are the same.

it's even more likely because people who give away accounts are usually not very careful who they choose. they claim to help other members when they in fact just do it for the pseudo "i did a lot of giveaways, now invite me" reputation.

accounts shouldn't change hands at all. don't give accounts, don't take accounts. not in trades, not for free.

if you want to become a member of a private torrent site be yourself, have your own identity and you'll get invited.

there's not a single site that wants fakes, traders and rule breakers.

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Originally Posted by darkrival

Yet, I don't see any of the staff from those sites coming here and talking about trading and protecting their sites.

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they are fed up with fst. they don't warn you, but ban you instantly when caught. you should be lucky that some other tracker staff spend their time to discuss here at all.

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

that's right. allow me to add, that it doesn't matter if user A trades the account to user B or gives it away for free. the results are the same.

it's even more likely because people who give away accounts are usually not very careful who they choose. they claim to help other members when they in fact just do it for the pseudo "i did a lot of giveaways, now invite me" reputation.

accounts shouldn't change hands at all. don't give accounts, don't take accounts. not in trades, not for free.

if you want to become a member of a private torrent site be yourself, have your own identity and you'll get invited.

there's not a single site that wants fakes, traders and rule breakers.

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Originally Posted by darkrival

Yet, I don't see any of the staff from those sites coming here and talking about trading and protecting their sites.

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they are fed up with fst. they don't warn you, but ban you instantly when caught. you should be lucky that some other tracker staff spend their time to discuss here at all.

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Yes, well said polarbear if a user no longer requires a tracker acc.
Then they should
1) Ask a staff member to delete it or
2) Let it be inactive until it is disabled.
They should NOT trade or giveaway an acc.

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Originally Posted by darkrival

And if someone from the authorities wanted to get into these 'high level' sites, what would stop them from making a few cute posts here talking about 'community' and getting accounts on other sites, using a seedbox there and have these 'ratio proofs'. Now you're still inviting someone who you don't want to join your community but it wasn't a trade at all.

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I never have never stated in any of my posts that the authorities can't get into any site if they wanted too I am sure they will find a way.

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Originally Posted by darkrival

I just think that it would be smarter for the authorities to go after large communities like TL or RevTT because it's not only easier to get into them but theres more content being spread around and perhaps they're making more profits. Yet, I don't see any of the staff from those sites coming here and talking about trading and protecting their sites.

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Different sites have different goals they wish to obtain and have different ways of handling things.

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Originally Posted by darkrival

This doesnt mean i'm pro/anti trading. It's just that excuse of traders bringing down sites is lame. If the authorities decide to take down a tracker, they have many more ways to do it than 'trading'. Stopping people from trading is not going to stop sites from getting busted.

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Again I have never stated that traders have brought down a site but could it happen yes. Has it happened in the past who knows not me thats for sure.

Sorry DKre8ive1, I didn't mean to imply that you said all that. I was actually going to make a different point about your post but ended up saying something else. I was just responding to the general theme of the thread. heh. sorry again. It wasn't meant to be anything personal against you.

Ultimately, I think what tracker staff dislike in the whole trader arena is that that way they cannot know for sure who their user pool are.

Imagine if you were running a tracker for a small number of people (like ScL, or FSC) and you wanted to make sure you knew/had an idea who all your userbase were. Don't you think if people started giving their accounts away or trading them, that that would make everything so much more complicated?

I can't see what the attractive in holding an account that doesn't have your own handpicked username/internet "identity" in is. I mean it would be like re-using a condom..

Account = Private use.
Invite = For friends :/

besides...why would anybody trade an iTS acc????

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

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they are fed up with fst. they don't warn you, but ban you instantly when caught. you should be lucky that some other tracker staff spend their time to discuss here at all.

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I can understand their frustration but FST is far from monster that you make it out to be polarbear.
There's a lot that goes on here besides the account and invite part of it.
I have learned a lot about trackers that I would have a hard time finding out anywhere else.
If certain sites choose to look at only the negatives then they are doing a disservice to a large number of the people here .

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Originally Posted by VillageShaman

I mean it would be like re-using a condom..

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good analogy.

what many people don't understand is, that most of the trackers that are on the top of that dreaded list in the invite section are communities. a main part of being a part of these communities is getting to know other members.
it's impossible to know someone when the person behind the username is changing as it happens with account trading. that's why trading or giving away accounts ruins the community aspect of a site.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

There's a lot that goes on here besides the account and invite part of it.
I have learned a lot about trackers that I would have a hard time finding out anywhere else.
If certain sites choose to look at only the negatives then they are doing a disservice to a large number of the people here .

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i know. otherwise i wouldn't post here.

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Originally Posted by psychophil

Yes, well said polarbear if a user no longer requires a tracker acc.
Then they should
1) Ask a staff member to delete it or
2) Let it be inactive until it is disabled.
They should NOT trade or giveaway an acc.

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People shouldn't do alot of things. Everyone has a different opinion on what people should/shouldn't do. If you ask riaa/mpaa they'll tell you that you shouldn't be pirating their property. I have a feeling that if you tell people not to do something, of course they'll be more curious than ever and try that exact thing. It's wishful thinking that people would just stop trading accounts.

It doesn't help when there are reviews of trackers saying it's a 'secret' tracker. what the hell. i would want to know whats the big secret one way or another. Why not just give an honest review instead of someone from the tracker boasting it up.

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Originally Posted by Barbarossa

Listen to yourselves :no:

Listen to each other :no:

Filesharing was built on freedom of information, of sharing, of being a community, of sticking it in the eye of corporate profiteering and exploitation.

You've become no better than the suits you tried to overthrow :(


It's all gone a bit animal farm - Every animal is equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

Let's get back to the essence of what this is all about, getting good quality stuff without having to pay through the nose for it.

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What the hell has happened to the concept of file sharing?

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Originally Posted by DKre8ive1

Here is how I see invite requests working a good user makes an invite request on FST and someone with invites reads it and maybe has an invite to spare, so he/she does a little background checking by reading posts on here and maybe even asking other trusted members on here for advice.

After all this if the inviter feels he wants to invite the person he asks for ratio proofs and any other info he feels he needs and fills the request threw pm.

This way there is no trade and more then likely you will have invited someone that will contribute to the site in question and make you feel good for inviting that person.

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Trading or giving away accounts is just plain nuts imo, and shows no regard for whatever tracker, I don't get it at all. Giving out the occasional invite in an altruistic fashion to someone looking for one, who you've done your best to establish is genuine and likely to be a good user, in a way that does not break a site's rules, is completely different.

I've got access to every site I could ever want or need over the years, most through open-signup at some point of the sites life, a few from a real life friend or two, a few from being offered them out of the blue in conversation with like-minded people on trackers, and one or two after staff members on sites have offered them in other site's forums. And I've given some out in the same way, to real-life friends, to people who have been helpful and asked nothing in return, and to people with good, long standing accounts on trackers I use who would contribute positively wherever they are invited.

In doing it that way I'm proud to have brought a few good members to some of the sites I enjoy using, while never jeopardizing a sites safety, or the status of my accounts..... and I've never had an invitee banned anywhere (just a couple of disabled for inactivity). That's a good feeling.

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Originally Posted by benchez

If you giveaway an account, or get one from a giveaway, all the tracker staff will see is the IP change on the account.
They will assume the original account holder and the new account holder traded.
There is a strong possibility you will both be banned and your info handed to other trackers, with you both being labeled as traders and banned from further trackers.

So don't fucking do it, for your own fucking good.

It's up to you, of course, but.
The amount of users that don't understand this simple, fucking concept astounds me. :dabs:

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what if you signon from a different location regularly??

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Originally Posted by DKre8ive1

Here is how I see invite requests working a good user makes an invite request on FST and someone with invites reads it and maybe has an invite to spare, so he/she does a little background checking by reading posts on here and maybe even asking other trusted members on here for advice.

After all this if the inviter feels he wants to invite the person he asks for ratio proofs and any other info he feels he needs and fills the request threw pm.

This way there is no trade and more then likely you will have invited someone that will contribute to the site in question and make you feel good for inviting that person.

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DKre8ive1 what he said he is 100% right that's how i got into a tracker that i allways wanted for my music... And am still there uploading more than i download..

p.s i have been here for a bit now and i have learnt few things about public invite giveaways ect.. it's not safe to give out to people you don't know, i tryed it in the pass learnt alot frm them and i see theres no point in giveaways. If i need something i ask my mates on msn if they haven't got it then i will ask here.

"Private tracker" means exactly that: a private site for sharing things running by a group of guys who make some rules. It´s their site, they use their skills, time and efforts to do something they want in a very clear way. And by doing that , they are putting their asses in risk.
I don´t know why people think that trackers are something they have the right to have, like Social Security, free education or government assistance. No sir, the UNO does not have a budget for supporting trackers, nobody has that right, not me, not you, not he guy at your left hand. You MAY join to those sites if your profile is what the owners and workers of the site are looking for. Is that so hard to understand?

Imagine you have a party in your house, you tell your friends to go, and the closest can go with company, if I am invited by you, you are expecting to me... not a guy nobody knows who goes there with my ID. You are my friend, you know how I am and you know I´ll keep a good behavior, and if I go with a friend, you assume it´s somebody I vouch for him, no problem... and if he/she is not... if he steals your momma earrings I´ll be in deep troubles, I´ll lose your friendship, and all our mutual friends will know I am an irresponsible guy, but even in the worst case you localized the problem... but if you are at the door, ask a guy you´ve never seen before his name and says: Hey, I am Nemrod, I´m pretty sure that in that case you´d kick my ass immediately.

Curious, people that believe they have the right to have any single tracker they want, and use any way to get it, are the same that always say they don´t donate, are the same that always have fun giving addresses to sites don´t want that, are the same that disrespect to everybody, not only staff... users too. Are always the same that don´t give a shit for anything else except their own whims.

And I never understood the security thing like something strictly related to authorities, the security of a site is much more than that... I´d say that even the most naive staff knows that if any authority wants to join to a site, they will get it. Security is not having cheaters, is to be sure that uploaders are good people and won´t upload a torrent called "Walt Disny-Bambi-1942" and when you burn it you find that you downloaded "Taylor Rain in Weapons of anal destruction" (something like that happened to me in eMule). Security is that the users won´t receive PMs offering Viagra, easy money or free pass to porn sites, security is that if a torrent status says that there are 25 seeders, there are in fact 25 seeders and not 4 seeding real data and 21 sending fake data. Security is that for being a member you have access to things that can put in risk the site, and that´s why the guys put their asses in risk MUST know who the hell is each and everyone of the members in THEIR site.

Every site has rules, almost always basic rules, easy to follow... if by any reason you are not agree with them or you can´t do the required, go on, find other site but don´t get into that because what you are doing is that because of you, those that are good users every day have more and more restrictions and in 1 year from now we all will be suspects, every day the most of trackers are restricting invites and signups... and that, due to "proud" behaviors like some I read here is what is fucking off the whole torrent thing.

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Originally Posted by FileZ

if u give orignal mail with user and pass , no one can catch u

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good post Nemrod though a bit long but I've been know to write novels myself...I did like the party analogy.

But mainly the thing is staffers are busy enough as it is. They work for free and they can't be fucked messing around with traders. If there was not traders and H&runners and cheaters all your favorite trackers would be much more interesting /fact.

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Originally Posted by VillageShaman

S3v3N if an undercover pig wants to get inside a tracker to then prosecute it, all he'd have to do is trade.

IMO that would be much easier than integrating into a community and taking the time to know people, then get invited.

If the pig took the latter route, by the time he was in the "1337" sites like you put them, he'd have been converted, and wouldn't want to harm the community anymore.

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Or they could just go to Ebay or some of the more unscrupulous forums out there that allow selling of invites and simply buy one. Fastest+Easiest IMO

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Originally Posted by Polarbear

that's right. allow me to add, that it doesn't matter if user A trades the account to user B or gives it away for free. the results are the same.

it's even more likely because people who give away accounts are usually not very careful who they choose. they claim to help other members when they in fact just do it for the pseudo "i did a lot of giveaways, now invite me" reputation.

accounts shouldn't change hands at all. don't give accounts, don't take accounts. not in trades, not for free.

if you want to become a member of a private torrent site be yourself, have your own identity and you'll get invited.

there's not a single site that wants fakes, traders and rule breakers.

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Originally Posted by darkrival

Yet, I don't see any of the staff from those sites coming here and talking about trading and protecting their sites.

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they are fed up with fst. they don't warn you, but ban you instantly when caught. you should be lucky that some other tracker staff spend their time to discuss here at all.

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OK first off PB you're gay but right...well kind of, I completely agree that acct trading is just plain wrong for reasons that have either been said here or I don't have the energy to explain right now. Actually I never understood why someone wouldn't want their own identity. I myself regret from my olde time trading days that my nick is Pariah on sites and Detale here I wish I had the same name everywhere but such is life

But to speak for other tracker staff and say that they are "fed up" with FST is not only irresponsible but foolish as well. Sure you are a well known and good torrent community member but you are in no way a rep for the entire staff out there to and to generalize and say they are fed up is just wrong bro.

To be accurate you would have to go around and ask why to each individual staff member of every tracker everywhere so there goes that. There are many many reasons they do not post here some of which are but not limited to

1. Just don't give a 5hit if about trading

This is something that is WAY overlooked many many sites couldn't give a flying f@ck what so ever FACT!

2. They are not allowed here, after being caught trying to hunt traders and have had there access to the invite section removed.

3. Um maybe they just don't know about FST. I know we are a great and wonderful site but there are many other far worse "invite trading" forums out there that would warrant their attention before FST ever did.

4. Just to get this in Sear is a homo too

great thread benchi :>
so guys respect our rules/wishes so we can respect you :D
help us improve our sites/communities, time that we spend on chasing traders/cheaters/scammers should be spent on improving our sites we have reall lifes too you know :>

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Originally Posted by Detale

Sure you are a well known and good torrent community member but you are in no way a rep for the entire staff out there to and to generalize and say they are fed up is just wrong bro.

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i was never speaking about the entire staff out there. i was referring to the two trackers darkrival mentioned (those sites). i don't know about revtt, but i know that tl staff doesn't post here anymore, doesn't offer support, but pops up in the invite section when there's someone to ban once in a while.

with this i wanted to say that just because they (the two sites mentioned) don't show up here, doesn't mean that they're not concerned about the security of their sites and condone trading.

it would be nice if every site had a (active) com rep here. people would see that there are real persons behind trackers and maybe that would lead to a little more respect for the sites and their rules.

i think you misunderstood my statment as an allegation against fst and the way tracker staff are treated here.

i know you have good relations with most staff and it's often not our fault that they disappear or simply don't post anymore.

on the other hand you can you blame them for not being happy and active on a forum that attracts most of its members by giving them a platform to break their rules?

the deal you offer to com reps is a fair one, even though we know that the rules can only be enforced to a certain level. at least it doesn't happen in public anymore which is a major step to narrow the account dealing.

some staff made the (imo) wrong the decision to break this contract.

let's also not forget that despite all the trash that is posted here everyday fst is a big promotion machine for private trackers. it's also the biggest indepedent forum where tracker owners can get honest feedback.
that feedback should be seen as a gift, because on the site members will never speak their mind in such an open and truthful way as they do it here.
fst is a trend indicator for the private tracker scene.

i can't stand it when (new) trackers use fst for marketing reasons and once they have enough members turn their back on us.

to summarize it, you are right. each and every tracker staff member has his individual reasons to be active here or not.

i appreciate those who take part here very much, but i can also understand those who say they don't give a fuck about fst.

p.s. now give me a kiss you little rent boy.

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Originally Posted by bananafurry

great thread benchi :>
so guys respect our rules/wishes so we can respect you :D
help us improve our sites/communities, time that we spend on chasing traders/cheaters/scammers should be spent on improving our sites we have reall lifes too you know :>

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+1 on the com rep count. you see?

A year back trading was pretty cool to do here on FST, even FST mods used to do it.Hell even tracker staff did it(Peci and Mofo come to mind).

Today trading is looked down upon by former traders(LOL),retired users(whatever the fuck that means) and ofcourse our dearly beloved anti-traders.Now it's cool to have "anti-trader" in your sig/avatar,like flashing a badge of honour.

This anti-trader movement grew even more when sites like iTS/SCL/PTN came up here recruiting members with the condition that they shouldn't be traders.So, everybody now wanted to join these exclusive sites and had "anti-trader" in their sigs/avatar to gain access.

Finally traders/anti-traders are all pirates that probably never bought a fuckin music cd/dvd in their lives after they discovered torrenting and similar piracy avenues.Now these very same people call it filesharing and not filestealing.

Human nature coming to the fore,that's all there is to it,everything else is adulterated bullshit.
For pure unadulterated entertainment though,FST is the place to be.

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Originally Posted by soulreaper

blablablabla

This anti-trader movement grew even more when sites like iTS/SCL/PTN came up here recruiting members with the condition that they shouldn't be traders.So, everybody now wanted to join these exclusive sites and had "anti-trader" in their sigs/avatar to gain access.

and blablabla

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i don't know about iTS or PTN but ScL never recruited people on any sites, we are against public invites giveaways .

hm i actually started to buy more after starting with filesharing..

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Originally Posted by bananafurry

i don't know about iTS or PTN but ScL never recruited people on any sites, we are against public invites giveaways .

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you only had your open-signup link posted all over the forums. :-P
sorry mate, i know..;)

haha yes thats right but this wasn't our job, and i think soulreaper was refering to the sites that have been closed signups from the very beginning :>

Something like this should happen like stroj said ....if not .. just wondering how a community will grow !!!..