That's what I was trying to tell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadalive1
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That's what I was trying to tell him.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadalive1
If my intentions were to get into as much as tracker i could, that would be the case, i would shut up, make a few requests, get along with people like sgt and so forth. At the end, i would get what i want and wouldnt bother to open topic, upload stuff and so forth. But that is not the case, the reason i wanted to join trackers was to get to know some people who might say what they think without any cencorship. Here is the obvious cencorship we saw earlier. Anyway i got a couple of awesome friends which is way more important than getting into a tracker or so. Lastly, i dont have any business with a tracker who cannot tolerate the opinion of others regardless of their content.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadalive1
Edit: also so what? just because ptn staff disabled my account doesnt mean that i cant get in right now, but i wont why? because there is no point in being somewhere where your opinions are not tolerated by some
Edit 2: If other trackers think that i am harmful to the community, pls be my guest to disable my accounts
they respect users that respect them.
you cheat/trade etc, you obviously dont respect the tracker, so why should they respect you.
also your 1 of many 1000`s of numbers out there (might seem harsh but its the truth), and if you openly admit to cheating, then bye bye and no skin off the staffs nose.
so if you dont respect us, why the hell should we respect you.
I don't think you'll find many people who say whatever they want, because most people know when its best to voice your opinions, and when not to. So, if you're just in torrenting to find those types of people, then I would suggest you stop torrenting all together. =/
I'll miss bilkenter if he gets banned from here,he's so much fun,cmon admit it you uptight twats :lol:
Well i admit, i have done wrong things in the past, i dont deny them, especially the cheating. I am mature enough to say that i am wrong there. But i am not wrong with trading. Why? Because the accounts i got, i cared about them, i fulfilled some requests, uploaded some old stuff, i believe i havent done anything wrong. But if you feel, i am wrong here, just tell me you dont want me there, then i will tell you my account details so that you can ban me 2. I dont wish to be a part of community where trading is treated so harshlyQuote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Well, it doesn't matter what you do with the traded account. The fact is, trading accounts is against the rules of most, if not all, trackers. And you broke that rule.
So it is ok for those who can get away with it, if this is the case, i will do my best not to get caught. I am merely saying what i did, and i dont find it offensive to the tracker itself, when i put myself in their shoes, i really dont get it why someone would be mad at another who got someones account so that he can feel part of that community, help them get bigger and so forth. I honestly dont get it
Someone once gave me this definition of crazy.
You know when you're driving on the highway in your car and the thought momentarily goes through your head to drive into oncoming traffic?We've all had that i suppose.
Well a crazy person actually does it.
If you want a place to talk without censorship, go join 4chan. I think you would fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate people speaking their mind when it seems that 2/3 of the BT community just spends their time sucking up to try to get elite trackers, but what you are talking about is not censorship. When you join those sites they tell you they do not allow trading or account sharing. If you disagree with that, don't join the site. You have a choice. If you break a sites rules and then go shooting your mouth off about how you don't think it was wrong and would do it again, then don't be surprised when you are disabled. If you don't like a site's rules you are welcome to create your own site.
The person who's account was traded away most likely got invited for a specific reason. They may have been invited because they can be trusted greatly. When that account is given to someone else, you've let someone get access to a site where they may not belong. They may not want you there; they intended for the original owner to have it, not someone that the staff/invitee do not know. It's a security risk as well.
And yes, 4chan would be an excellent place for you.
ok, this is he way i see it with trading.
99 times out of 100 the trader will keep a low profile and not get involved at all in the site.
so if everyone is trading to get accounts, then every tracker is going to die eventually.
also 99% of the time, you will find that traders are impatient, greedy bastards, why do you think most trade for buffered accounts, so they can rape the buffer on the site, and download what they want when they want without any repurcussions.
we would much rather have members that have patience (which is hard to find i must admit) and that acctually care about the account because its in your name, not the attitude of.
"well i got in their once with trading, im in others with trading, i will just rape the tracker dry with this buffer or cheat on the account, change my IP and get back in again with trading and do the same thing again, and again and again."
thats obviously not what we want as staff, we want members that care about their accounts, the tracker they are on, just as much as we the staff do.
Best thing to do is shut up, or start your own tracker and see how much fun it is when dealing with people who trade YOUR accounts. Trading not only is just stupid (most people can invited to whatever site..if they are responsible) but it also brings security and integrity issues for the site/owners as well. You obviously don't care about that aspect when you trade (you meaning.. you and those that also trade).
IRC ------------> Account Trading
I get you Stoi. You are one of the few, i really admire here. After that, i get what you are saying. I wouldnt want site to die either since i am also a leecher. And if there is anything i can help with, i would be more than glad to help site out. Also, if i am to give my account to someone, i wouldnt give it to someone who doesnt deserve it. It would be most likely someone who i got to know in time. If my buffer is 400 gb in a site, i would like to give my account to someone who would make it 500 600. But sometimes this may not be the case, if he cant keep it up, at least i would want him to give what he takes back. I may not be the ideal torrenter here. But there are always exceptions. At least, let us talk to you about trading an account, have an open mind so that we will be able to come and talk to you honestly, we are into this filesharing together. Site is also ours, if there is anything wrong with the site, we guyz get upset too. Let me give you an example of a trader, i have a friend who trades, and gives invites to here and so forth. Recently he got 10 invites to bitmtv from someone else, and he is very careful about those invites, he obviously is afraid to betray someoneelses trust. My account on bitmtv got disabled, he gave me a new invite recently and said me not to use seedbox which might cause harm to the original inviter. I gave him back of course since i have no use for bittv. Anyway my point is, there are always good traders who feel ashamed of what they did, and among traders, there are people who help the site the way they can. Some with seedbox, some with uploads and some with fulfilling request, site design etc. Therefore, i dont wanna be a part of a community where as you said %1 is ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
There is a huge difference between trading for profit and trading or giving away to those who you trust to do good things for the community. I am in favour of the second one where the person you gave the account will use it for its own needs and contribute it. Well not everybody will be a gamer all the time, after a while you got bored of it, or not everybody will love the music all the time. This is why, i dont see anything harmful for someone who is interested in those to join the community on my behalf. Also you are not the only one who loves their sites trackers and so forth. I love them too, i revere their rules too, but being a good member isnt always about following the rules but sometimes it is also about suggesting modifications for the rules. Also Mods can prove it, i got a message from someone who told me to give him my blackcats since he was into it, in return, he offered me any high levels i required. I said him, i may help you but i shall talk to the admin first. The point is, even if i am a trader in my own sense, i wouldnt do anything to endanger the community i love since i am a leecher as well as a seeder. End of discussion...Quote:
Originally Posted by deadalive1
You just don't get it do you? Trading is wrong, you can NOT rationalize this.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
no offense, but dont use me as your ladder to ftn or fsc pls.
Also you seem to follow the rules without any question in mind.
One more thing, if you are to say trading is wrong, then tell it with arguments which cannot be defeated aside from security and so forth
And then THEY trade that account? Are you sure they would use the same diligence in looking for someone who won't harm the site? Can you be positive of this? Stake a sites reputation and security on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
I'm tired of this, you are better off on RS, I surely don't want security issues on the sites I'm on as I'm sure no-one else here does as well.
but even that 1% is wrong, your trading behind the staffs back, i dont care if hes your best mate from 30 years (i have even known them to cheat) or someone you have just met on the net.
and how do you suggest we differntiate between the 2, its impossible to do that, unless you come to the Staff first and ask them if its ok you give your account to your mate, and i know for a fact, 99.9999999%% of traders will not do that.
Why do you think trackers close their doors.
Some its for security, so they do not want just anyone getting in.
Others its to stop the cheats, traders, sellers.
I opened up for 11,000 members the other day, we got that in 2 days. the minute i shut to take stock, there was an account trade on here, and im pretty sure there are others on other forums.
the memebr that joined, obviously didnt want the account, he just signed up as a bartering tool, do you think I like that, My site ONLY being used as a bartering tool to get into another site, FUCK NO!!
thee was even an account for sale on ebay, When we were level 4 i seen them go for $60-$200 this one, he wanted $50, he sold it for $3 lol and this was just before i opened the doors wide, not after.
But if you think about it, who has cash to burn to get into these sites if someone is selling them. or is daft enough to buy one. The powers that be of course.
anyway going completely off topic and rambling again lol but if you do not want to be apart of BCG, just send a message to the staffbox and we will disable your account for you.
Dude I'm not using you for anything, you wanted to speak your mind and stand up for speaking your mind. But what, others aren't allowed to do this as well? You use a strawman argument to try and justify why YOU think trading accounts should be allowed. Yet when faced with opposition you accuse others of trying to stand on your shoulders to accomplish something else, please ...get a clue. Now I'm done.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
OK, how about this: trading is wrong because it is against the rules, or laws, of most private bittorrent trackers. If it's the law, then you can't really argue with it. You can not like it, but you have to obey the law if you do not wish to get in any kind of trouble. The same applies to laws in the real world.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
Nope i like my account there, if you deem me unworthy or undesirable for my beliefs, i would be happy to tell the staff my username etc. Yeah you are right, there are some j... who use that opportunity to benefit from it. But for my account trading, lets confirm a few things, you owners know each other right at least most of you? Then before i give my account to someone i trust, let me come to you and talk to you about this. I can take responsibility for the person i invite or will invite. I will be gladly telling you my other accounts which you may or may not contact if the person who i gave my account cheated or harmed the community in any way. I will be putting my entire torrenting career at risk for the person i would like to give my account. If i was wrong at what i did, then i would gladly admit my retirement from torrents.
You are always welcome to express your ideas here m8. What i was trying to say is that you think trading must be forbidden because of security issues and integrity. I dont find a good reason. If you can bet your entire tracker life for the person you would like to get your accounts, then it is surely someone you trust with your life. Of course, i will talk to him about the seriousness of the issue when i am giving him my accounts. For the integrity part, as i said, not everybody will be addicted to games and etc, if you are not into games anymore, you may not feel like the part of something a community. You wouldnt fulfill requests, you wouldnt try to get to know people since it is a game tracker, if you are not into games anymore, Why bother going to the game site? But on the other hand, if someone is into game more than you, he would have much more games in his possession with which he can fulfill requests or get to know a few gamer friends there. This is why, that way, integrity of users will be much more strengthened.Quote:
Dude I'm not using you for anything, you wanted to speak your mind and stand up for speaking your mind. But what, others aren't allowed to do this as well? You use a strawman argument to try and justify why YOU think trading accounts should be allowed. Yet when faced with opposition you accuse others of trying to stand on your shoulders to accomplish something else, please ...get a clue. Now I'm done.
This is why, i said, get a stronger point
ps:games are just an anology
So now you're saying that you want to try to get staff to bend the rules for you, and make account trading OK? I think you should retire from torrents now =/ But maybe stick around here, you're fun to be around :P Kinda >.>
well if thats your viwepoint, and i do not agree with it, if you have no use for the site, just let your account die, or delete your account for those sites that allow it.
then it looks like your BCG days are numbered, so send me your details and i will disable your account.
Nope not at all m8, i would be the last to apply for such a thing. Laws shall be applied to everyone. I know it is a big step especially with a high database, but it is a start, everyday 40 applications might be dealt easily, there might be commissions for this account trading. I never said it would be easy, but nobody would risk his all accounts for a man, it shall be the man, and not everybody has the man
edit: You have already took action:) anyway i was about to pm you. Thanks for doing so
THEY'RE TEXTING!@#@!Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Anyway,
I don't think thats true, I've been using IRC since 92'ish. Of course back then you kind of had to use IRC to be involved in what it is we do.
I'm totally with you on the texting though!
four minutes later, you say:Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
at least make up your mind. I'm surprised you haven't been banned from every tracker you've got an account on. please be sure to make a post on their forums, informing them of your thoughts on trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
there are some who doesnt get the irony either... at least read my previous posts before those ones then decide what i was talking about
Why would they need to put in an application if they would already have an account threw account trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
I think I See your problem you see account trading and invite trading as the same thing and use the phrase account trading to explain both.
At the end of the day if you don't agree with the rules for a site then don't join it and move on to a site that fits your view points and that have the rules you wish to follow.
Obviously, cheating is wrong, and i am glad that u get it.
As for the rest, i am getting a feeling that you think "I am right what so ever".
Idk if i read it correctly but if i did, your post (few pages back) read "i love torrents" and the next thing i am reading is something in the line of "i don't care about torrenting". You were using those statement, two opposite ones, to prove yourself right. But then again u say u don't have to prove anyone anything. If that is the case, why the do u even post here? If you don't love torrents, what are you doing in BITTORRENT SECTION of this board? If it is a way to pass time over the interwebz, i am pretty sure there are better options to do so.
As far as account trading/sharing/giveaway & invite trading goes, alike DKre said, i think you are failing to see the difference between invite and account trading. Those two are different stuff. Account trading/sharing/giveaway is worst then invite trading, which almost everyone here would easily agree with.
Next thing, as i see is that you lack understanding for why invite trading is wrong as well. Beside the fact invite trading, alike account trading, is against site rule and risks the security of the site to some extent. If you can't be convinced by that then the what might convince you is getting banned from one of your favorite sites for being an invite trader. If everything fails, which in your case does, try getting involved in the "community". Once you are "into the community" you will naturally defend it, like a family member would defend his family...and hence you will recognize why invite trading is bad.
Lastly, take a chill pill, read other's post, try to understand where they are coming from. That is the best way to learn concepts of torrenting, imo.
P.S. ON TOPIC, i hang around in two IRC server, sex.ism.
bilkenter, you need to stop trying to please everyone.
You need to stop contradicting yourself.
And most of all, you need to stop making a fool of yourself.
Make up your mind and stick to it, for once.
In this thread bilkenter loses both his PTN account and his BCG account...
any questions ?
I don´t have the patience, the age or the wisdom to be polite with you...
You are like a disease for sharing community, like a tumor that must be eradicated... a monument to what it must not be done.
I wish you the worst of the lucks, not in your personal life but in this world of sharing.
After 10 years surfing the web, you´ve got the honor of being the first "person" I´ve ever put on any "ignore list".
o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
i think he may have lost his S*L account also.... lmao what a unintelligent little monkey this guys is..lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Raban
you make this point a number of times but what you fail to realise is that there's no need to give them your account. If they're someone you trust you can invite them or at least a staff member may consider inviting them for you. That is if you are trusted. This is a completely bullshit argument, account trading stems from greed and impatience, not altruism.Quote:
Originally Posted by bilkenter
By acting the fool both in what you say here and in your actions towards the trackers you are a member of you're ensuring tracker staff will never trust you. Why wouldn't you want to show some respect for the rules of a place that's provided for free for you. Grow up mate and act like a man instead of a spoiled child.
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Originally Posted by jasperr
hrmmm makes ya wonder which ones he has left.
BILKENTER please list the rest of the sites you have an account on .. . . http://i37.tinypic.com/15mffy9.gif
What's a chill pill squirr3l? Maybe you could toss one my way if it makes one feel light headed?:naughty:Quote:
Originally Posted by squirr3l
get back on topic. -.-
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