.. you dare put your life in the hands of a cigeratte.
I never want to start smoken em.. when u do, you feel as if it's your own air and you will suficate without em...when they are the ones killing you
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.. you dare put your life in the hands of a cigeratte.
I never want to start smoken em.. when u do, you feel as if it's your own air and you will suficate without em...when they are the ones killing you
the nordschleife is surrounded by trees..therefore the cars are "feeding" the treesQuote:
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+18 August 2003 - 16:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 18 August 2003 - 16:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@18 August 2003 - 16:48
On a private track ? That doesn't stop it producing polution.
But isn't that just like a private business ? Your convoluted logic amazes me.
Edit: typo
also, the nordschleife is private land, so if you can smoke in your own house, you can drive on your own track... [/b][/quote]
Or smoke in a bar ?
Or are you trying to tell me that the public do not visit nordschleife ?
And they don't have Cat's so they will be pumping out all sorts of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dioxide, etc.
As for a Porsche in LA outputting cleaner air than it takes in, I think that is extremely unlikely, but even if it is true it is the exception rather than the rule, and there aren't that many Porsche's in LA, the rest of the pollution comes from the other 99.999% of the vehicles.
erm...how do you know that?Quote:
Originally posted by lynx@18 August 2003 - 17:29
And they don't have Cat's so they will be pumping out all sorts of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dioxide, etc.
isn't it possible that the cars have cats in place?
(a lot of them actually do)
my point was simply that people who smoke kill people with passvie smoking
also, it could be argued that people who drive cars are doing so for a purpose (to get from a to b or whatever), whereas people who smoke do so only for 'enjoyment'
erm...how do you know that?Quote:
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+18 August 2003 - 17:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 18 August 2003 - 17:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-lynx@18 August 2003 - 17:29
And they don't have Cat's so they will be pumping out all sorts of hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, oxides of nitrogen, sulphur dioxide, etc.
isn't it possible that the cars have cats in place?
(a lot of them actually do)
my point was simply that people who smoke kill people with passvie smoking
also, it could be argued that people who drive cars are doing so for a purpose (to get from a to b or whatever), whereas people who smoke do so only for 'enjoyment' [/b][/quote]
With the exception of a few cars which are also road going vehicles, track cars do not use cats because of the performance drop.
We all understood your point very well, what we don't accept is your right to enforce your restrictions on the rest of us. We have (by and large) accepted that owners of private premises should have the choice to restrict smoking either in part or totally, but surely that should be their choice, and if it conflicts with your desire for a smoke free atmosphere no one will enforce your presence. Why should the preference of others be restricted by your choice ?
the car shown runs with a catQuote:
Originally posted by lynx@18 August 2003 - 18:07
With the exception of a few cars which are also road going vehicles, track cars do not use cats because of the performance drop.
We all understood your point very well, what we don't accept is your right to enforce your restrictions on the rest of us. We have (by and large) accepted that owners of private premises should have the choice to restrict smoking either in part or totally, but surely that should be their choice, and if it conflicts with your desire for a smoke free atmosphere no one will enforce your presence. Why should the preference of others be restricted by your choice ?
also, i have the right to my opinion, you have the right to kill me with second hand smoke
doesn't that seem a little unfair?
the car shown runs with a catQuote:
Originally posted by lynx@18 August 2003 - 18:07
With the exception of a few cars which are also road going vehicles, track cars do not use cats because of the performance drop.
We all understood your point very well, what we don't accept is your right to enforce your restrictions on the rest of us. We have (by and large) accepted that owners of private premises should have the choice to restrict smoking either in part or totally, but surely that should be their choice, and if it conflicts with your desire for a smoke free atmosphere no one will enforce your presence. Why should the preference of others be restricted by your choice ?
also, i have the right to my opinion, you have the right to kill me with second hand smoke
doesn't that seem a little unfair?
I love the mentality here.Quote:
Originally posted by gaz_k@18 August 2003 - 13:38
What's the bloody country comin to......
Pizza Hut have announced that from today it is not allowed to smoke in there.
and dropping fag butts is classed as droppin litter... well where are you supposed to put them if you not allowed to put them in a bin... there are not enough fag bin things about.....
what next, bloody banning swearing in pubs?!
When I go rafting, do I throw my empty beer cans into the river because the state of Texas has not installed trash cans every 20 feet along the river for my convenience.
No, I actually bring a gargage bag I can attach to the raft and take responsibility for my litter. Imagine that!.
How long have cigarettes been around, how hard can it be to figure out how to extinguish them and store the butts? What is wrong with carrying an empty metal bandaid tin to store them in. Oh, I forget, smoking has the image of being cool, not cool at all to attempt to be considerate.
I really enjoy you smokers who take full advantage of stoplights to empty your ashtrays onto the road. Is there some kind of mental disconnect that makes you unaware that "butts" are trash?
As for restaurants, why should I be limited in where I want to eat because you can't control your need to smoke. Smoke not only dampens the sense of taste but also stinks up clothing. In my line of work it would be highly inappropriate to see customers while reeking of smoke. I do not infringe on your enjoyment of your meal, so why should you be allowed to do this to me? Smoke outside or in your car (if it is cold).
I would prefer that people smoke outside, rather than indoors where children and others are more likely irritated by the smoke.
As for bars, what the hell, it's only a couple of hours, I'm going to stink of alcohol anyway. Besides it help filters out the chicks I don't want to waste my time on. Have you ever kissed a girl who smokes? I would imagine the taste gives feces a run for it's money.
I largely agree with noob3g, but I think he takes it a little far, most likely because he was being ganged up on.
As for pollution, the exhaust generated by cars in transit is the price we pay for the convenience. What, however, is the point in driving a car around a track for 500 mile? Seems not only pointless, but a little ridiculous given present problem with fossil fuels.
Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+18 August 2003 - 20:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 18 August 2003 - 20:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>As for restaurants, why should I be limited in where I want to eat because you can't control your need to smoke. Smoke not only dampens the sense of taste but also stinks up clothing. In my line of work it would be highly inappropriate to see customers while reeking of smoke. I do not infringe on your enjoyment of your meal, so why should you be allowed to do this to me? Smoke outside or in your car (if it is cold).[/b]
Why should business establishments cater only to your wishes and ban smoking?
It should be up to the business itself whether or not to allow smoking.
I choose which places to patronize by their smoking policy - why can't you?
How was he being "ganged up on" when he posted this:<!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@18 August 2003 - 08:53Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 20:04
I largely agree with noob3g, but I think he takes it a little far, most likely because he was being ganged up on.
smoking in public is disgusting and should be banned everywhere.
i have nothing against those who smoke in their own houses, however, smoking in public is something which should not be tolerated
passive smoking is a proven killer. if smokers want to kill themselves, go ahead, but they should not be allowed to kill others[/quote]
That was his first post in this thread - no one had had a chance to "gang up on him" and he was already off the deep end. :rolleyes:
That was his first post in this thread - no one had had a chance to "gang up on him" and he was already off the deep end. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by titey+19 August 2003 - 03:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 19 August 2003 - 03:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> How was he being "ganged up on" when he posted this:<!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@18 August 2003 - 08:53
smoking in public is disgusting and should be banned everywhere.
i have nothing against those who smoke in their own houses, however, smoking in public is something which should not be tolerated
passive smoking is a proven killer. if smokers want to kill themselves, go ahead, but they should not be allowed to kill others
i'm not hugely bothered about debating as a minority...i was solely stating my views
http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/thumb.gif As you should.Quote:
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@18 August 2003 - 21:05
i'm not hugely bothered about debating as a minority...i was solely stating my views
I just wanted to point out that you weren't "ganged up on" before you began posting your insane suggestions. :P
Why should business establishments cater only to your wishes and ban smoking?Quote:
Originally posted by titey+19 August 2003 - 03:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 19 August 2003 - 03:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@18 August 2003 - 20:04
As for restaurants, why should I be limited in where I want to eat because you can't control your need to smoke. Smoke not only dampens the sense of taste but also stinks up clothing. In my line of work it would be highly inappropriate to see customers while reeking of smoke. I do not infringe on your enjoyment of your meal, so why should you be allowed to do this to me? Smoke outside or in your car (if it is cold).
It should be up to the business itself whether or not to allow smoking.
I choose which places to patronize by their smoking policy - why can't you?[/b][/quote]
What you do in your home is your business. What you do in public affects the people around you.
I think with Pizza Hut banning smoking, it means that people have spoken up and declared it an unwanted intrusion on their lunch. I tend to chose my eating establishments on the quality of the food. Smoking has nothing to do with eating. It is like deciding on a restaurant due to the color of its sign. Neither has any bearing on what makes a restaurant enjoyable, it's the food baby.
When I drink alcohol, I do not pour it on you. Why should you get to stink up my clothes with smoke? You want to wash my jacket for me?
I agree with the premise that an establishment should have the right to decide this and I believe they are by banning smoking.
I tend you enjoy farting through a megaphone at meals end, you want to deal with that? You tend to think that since smoking has traditionally been allowed that is ok to blow noxious smoke over someone while they eat. How could you be so uncaring of others.
Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+18 August 2003 - 21:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 18 August 2003 - 21:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>What you do in your home is your business. What you do in public affects the people around you.[/b]
Yes, and the people who eat in the same restaurants as I do choose to do so. No one forces them to eat there.
As I said, if the establishment decides they don't want to allow smoking - fine - I won't go there. And if dining out were entirely about the food, then why do restaurants seem intent on providing music, artwork, etc., etc.? Seems to be an attempt to create... I dunno... an "experience". After eating, Having a cup of coffee or a beer while smoking and chatting are an enjoyable part of the experience as well.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 21:21
I think with Pizza Hut banning smoking, it means that people have spoken up and declared it an unwanted intrusion on their lunch. I tend to chose my eating establishments on the quality of the food. Smoking has nothing to do with eating. It is like deciding on a restaurant due to the color of its sign. Neither has any bearing on what makes a restaurant enjoyable, it's the food baby.
I don't blow my smoke on you either. Why are you sitting in the smoking section anyway?Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 21:21
When I drink alcohol, I do not pour it on you. Why should you get to stink up my clothes with smoke? You want to wash my jacket for me?
Fine - just don't whine about those who don't.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 21:21
I agree with the premise that an establishment should have the right to decide this and I believe they are by banning smoking.
No, I don't tend to do that... I don't even own a megaphone.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 21:21
I tend you enjoy farting through a megaphone at meals end
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@18 August 2003 - 21:21
You tend to think that since smoking has traditionally been allowed that is ok to blow noxious smoke over someone while they eat. How could you be so uncaring of others.[/quote]
I wait till the other people in my party are finished eating before lighting up. And I don't blow smoke in anyone's direction. If my exhaled smoke wafts around the room, then so be it... that's why it's called the smoking section.
Geez Hobbes.
That's a megaphone in your pocket?
All this time I thought you were just glad to see me.
Yeah, it just doesn't stay there, otherwise there would be no problem. If I were to visit restaurants with smoking sections that did not permeate the room, I would not be here complaining.
If you like to go somewhere because the bathroom has brass knobs, that is your issue. Restaurants that can't cut the mustard with quality food, tend to distract with gimmicks. I'm not into that, as I am not mesmerized by baubles and lights.
I would encourage you to go to the "bar" for your post-repast contemplation, although Denny's doesn't have the best selection of beer.
I simply want to eat without someone intruding upon my repast. Is that so wrong, for the love of God, is that so wrong!
Titey, are we the only ones here? The silence is deafening.
I guess it all boils down to courtesy. I would not go out to a public place and perform an act that would degrade the experience for other paying customers, simply for my own selfish pleasure. Why do you want to numb my taste buds and ruin my meal?
It seems a bit paternalistic that places actually have to tell you not to do things that bother other patrons. Seems you could figure this out on your own an act accordingly. This is why I don't take off my pants and sit around in my boxers (or titey whities) after a good meal.
At most fine restaurants you can order a megaphone "a la carte".Quote:
Originally posted by clocker@19 August 2003 - 04:03
Geez Hobbes.
That's a megaphone in your pocket?
All this time I thought you were just glad to see me.
What is in my pocket is another matter.
I for one think smoking your pubes is a bad idea.
:blink: You mean you wear PANTS when you go out to eat?Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 22:17
This is why I don't take off my pants and sit around in my boxers (or titey whities) after a good meal.
Damn, you are a gentleman then! http://www.piczonline.com/client/titey/LOL.gif
Smoking's been banned in all public establishments (inside malls, diners, etc.) for a few years now here. At first the smokers raised a big hue and cry about how the laws were infringing on their "right" to smoke. But the smoking population is a minority, and while not all of the smokers are happy about it, they all've accepted it. The workers at bars and restaurants are much happier; they don't have to be exposed to vast clouds of smoke day after day. Plus the experience is so much nicer now that the air isn't blue and the food doesn't taste like smoke.
:ninja:
Having someone else smoke your pubes is a bit painful as well. >_<Quote:
Originally posted by Powdered Water@18 August 2003 - 22:22
I for one think smoking your pubes is a bad idea.
(Eh lilmiss?)
Im not a smoke but i think its gay... they should allow ppl to smoke.. wat happen to it being a free country, Resturants are places u go to have good time and have a smoke a drinke...etc. Ban on Smoking is the stupidiest thing ive ever heard. They should just ban us from breathing...
No, not everyone, probably just you. Your post is one I think we will all cherish and deeply contemplate, save for a few correctly spelled words. But accidents will happen.Quote:
Originally posted by tkc204@19 August 2003 - 04:30
Im not a smoke but i think its gay... they should allow ppl to smoke.. wat happen to it being a free country, Resturants are places u go to have good time and have a smoke a drinke...etc. Ban on Smoking is the stupidiest thing ive ever heard. They should just ban us from breathing...
:huh: Exactly which country are you referring to?Quote:
Originally posted by tkc204@18 August 2003 - 22:30
wat happen to it being a free country
Surely you're aware that there are members from many countries here. <_<
:huh: Exactly which country are you referring to?Quote:
Originally posted by titey+19 August 2003 - 03:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 19 August 2003 - 03:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-tkc204@18 August 2003 - 22:30
wat happen to it being a free country
Surely you're aware that there are members from many countries here. <_< [/b][/quote]
Ziiiiiing that's my man titey with another win!!!
3rd, you didn't comment on this point. How do you justify driving in a circle?Quote:
I largely agree with noob3g, but I think he takes it a little far, most likely because he was being ganged up on.
As for pollution, the exhaust generated by cars in transit is the price we pay for the convenience. What, however, is the point in driving a car around a track for 500 mile? Seems not only pointless, but a little ridiculous given present problem with fossil fuels.
Ziiiiiing that's my man titey with another win!!! [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by Powdered Water+19 August 2003 - 04:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Powdered Water @ 19 August 2003 - 04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by titey@19 August 2003 - 03:34
<!--QuoteBegin-tkc204
Quote:
@18 August 2003 - 22:30
wat happen to it being a free country
:huh: Exactly which country are you referring to?
Surely you're aware that there are members from many countries here. <_<
Oh, come on! Mine was a lot funnier.
True I had not seen yours before I posted... Props to ya, :DQuote:
Originally posted by hobbes@19 August 2003 - 03:42
3rd, you didn't comment on this point. How do you justify driving in a circle?Quote:
I largely agree with noob3g, but I think he takes it a little far, most likely because he was being ganged up on.
As for pollution, the exhaust generated by cars in transit is the price we pay for the convenience. What, however, is the point in driving a car around a track for 500 mile? Seems not only pointless, but a little ridiculous given present problem with fossil fuels.
Fine, now I'm trumped by an emoticon I cannot match.Quote:
/me sulks off
It may be movie time, again.
Lo there do I see my father. Lo there do I see my mother, my sister and my brothers. Lo there do I see the line of my people, back to the beginning.
Lo they do call to me. They bid me take my place among them, in the halls of Valhalla, where the brave shall live.... Forever!
The 13th Warrior- check it out!
Your tone is Quasi-facetious but what you do not realize is that now all restaurants are Taco Bell.
Oh, the new grilled stuft burrito. So that's what they actually mean by "stuft".Quote:
Originally posted by titey@19 August 2003 - 16:26
http://members.roadfly.com/sheringham/TacoBell.gif
cows produce more methane than humans...therefore we should exterminate all cowsQuote:
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+18 August 2003 - 09:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 18 August 2003 - 09:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-titey@18 August 2003 - 16:58
When you fart, your ass expells methane...
Methane is a pollutant...
Your ass should not be allowed.
<_< [/b][/quote]
I am exterminating cows... oe Burger, Jacket and pair of boots at a time...
sorry for the delay in reply...i've been asleep/forum been down...Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@19 August 2003 - 04:42
3rd, you didn't comment on this point. How do you justify driving in a circle?Quote:
I largely agree with noob3g, but I think he takes it a little far, most likely because he was being ganged up on.
As for pollution, the exhaust generated by cars in transit is the price we pay for the convenience. What, however, is the point in driving a car around a track for 500 mile? Seems not only pointless, but a little ridiculous given present problem with fossil fuels.
firstly, not all tracks are circles :P
secondly, i have no way to justify people wanting to drive cars for entertainment
also, the current problem with fossil fuels isn't really as bad as some have made out and has been excarbated by a vertain rather large country...:P
You don't need carburetors when you have fuel injection. :PQuote:
Originally posted by 3rd gen noob@19 August 2003 - 13:35
excarbated
Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@18 August 2003 - 19:21
Why should business establishments cater only to your wishes and ban smoking?
It should be up to the business itself whether or not to allow smoking.
I choose which places to patronize by their smoking policy - why can't you?
What you do in your home is your business. What you do in public affects the people around you.
I think with Pizza Hut banning smoking, it means that people have spoken up and declared it an unwanted intrusion on their lunch. I tend to chose my eating establishments on the quality of the food. Smoking has nothing to do with eating. It is like deciding on a restaurant due to the color of its sign. Neither has any bearing on what makes a restaurant enjoyable, it's the food baby.
When I drink alcohol, I do not pour it on you. Why should you get to stink up my clothes with smoke? You want to wash my jacket for me?
I agree with the premise that an establishment should have the right to decide this and I believe they are by banning smoking.
I tend you enjoy farting through a megaphone at meals end, you want to deal with that? You tend to think that since smoking has traditionally been allowed that is ok to blow noxious smoke over someone while they eat. How could you be so uncaring of others. [/quote]
I quit smoking the day I found out I was to be a father. That being said,I think banning public smoking is wrong. Law should not dictate wether or not I give a shit about your proximity when I light up (were I to smoke again) You can ask me politly to move (as in a park or sidewalk) or you can walk away. Entertainment and eating establishments should be allowed to set thier own standards, as long as a reasonable seperation between smokers and non-smokers. But dictating behavior based on coerced politeness? HA! I have every right to start out my day as an ass as I have the right to start my day as a polite guy. When I smoked, I took into account wether or not I offended while doing so. That was me going out of my way to be nice to my companions. When I was in the smoking section of a restauraunt(sp?) I lit up at will, and did not give it a second thought. That is why I was there, good food and an environment in which I felt completely comfortable. Since I quit smoking, I eat in the non-smoking area. If someone offends me with thier smoke, I move or ask them to move politely.(when I am not in a designated smoking area) I do not think the government should dictate thier right to offend or not.
And if you are really concerned with dying slowly due to toxin intake, check your foods. Look at labels and methods of preparation. That shit fucks you up much more than second hand smoke ever will. Do a little research on some of those ingredients they call "preservatives" and such. Look at how there is an allowable level of arsenic in the water. (among other things) Want to be paranoid about death and poison, go no further than what you allow into your kitchen. I do and that is how I got healthier. I happily eat meat, but make sure you know what you are getting there too. Life is a gamble and you are not guaranteed happiness. Do not whine for a "leader" to dictate hapiness for you. Find it YOPURSELF. And stop whining about other people's habits.
(Only portions of this statement are in response to the quoted part)
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
You don't need carburetors when you have fuel injection. :P [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by titey+19 August 2003 - 19:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (titey @ 19 August 2003 - 19:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-3rd gen noob@19 August 2003 - 13:35
excarbated
carbs can give more performance though...:P
There is no law, this was an independent decision made by Pizza Hut. Did I miss something?Quote:
Originally posted by insanebassman@19 August 2003 - 19:53
I quit smoking the day I found out I was to be a father. That being said,I think banning public smoking is wrong. Law should not dictate wether or not I give a shit about your proximity when I light up (were I to smoke again) You can ask me politly to move (as in a park or sidewalk) or you can walk away. Entertainment and eating establishments should be allowed to set thier own standards, as long as a reasonable seperation between smokers and non-smokers. But dictating behavior based on coerced politeness? HA! I have every right to start out my day as an ass as I have the right to start my day as a polite guy. When I smoked, I took into account wether or not I offended while doing so. That was me going out of my way to be nice to my companions. When I was in the smoking section of a restauraunt(sp?) I lit up at will, and did not give it a second thought. That is why I was there, good food and an environment in which I felt completely comfortable. Since I quit smoking, I eat in the non-smoking area. If someone offends me with thier smoke, I move or ask them to move politely.(when I am not in a designated smoking area) I do not think the government should dictate thier right to offend or not.
As I posted before, the concept that smoking areas are actually distinct from non-smoking areas, is equivalent to covering your eyes and pretending that the person one table over no longer exists.
No one would complain about smoking in restaurants if there were actually a real separation between smoking/nonsmoking. Just because I don't smoke, doesn't make me some high ground moral man. Usually I am too drunk to be understood by said offending smoker.
I just want to go to a restaurant to eat, not start a confrontation or bother anyone else. And I don't want to have my clothes smell like shit when I get home. I'm a pretty simple guy.
fyi: I second hand smoke two packs a day :o