What Really Grinds My Gears: AntiTraders

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

most people don't know those "higher level" tracker until they come here.

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That's a valid point indeed.

invites and their lack of supply is what creates demand or a market and invites trade, not the WTAW thread, traders would still exist without the wtaw thread. hopefully we'll see less spam on requests and trades now that there are two invite sections.

why do you think invites are rare, to stop traders and sellers.

when we were lvl 4 a bcg account went for $160 on ebay, i have seen lvl 9-10 accounts go for $750 before, now we are lvl 2, we had an account on there the other week, he wanted $50 for it, he got $2 for it.

so you cant tell me this WTAW thread has nothing at all to do with Trades and selling.

if people used invites the way they are supposed to be used, then im sure for most trackers it wouldnt be a problem, but just because someone has a seedbox and can get to PU quickly (or any other higher class) does not make them a good member when it comes to giving them invites.

thats why on BCG we are going to give them to users as well, they may even be more careful than someone with a 100 buffer who got their in 2 days with a seedbox (or fast home connection)

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Originally Posted by squirr3l

most people don't know those "higher level" tracker until they come here.

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Valid but a little utopical isn't it ... you of all people should know that word spreads around very quick amonst the members of private trackers about new, other private trackers. If every member would shut the phuck up about new founded trackers there would be no knowledge of these trackers and nobody would ask for them or trade them.

trackers with "rare" invites are fashionable atm

I personally hate that WTAW thing, but it´s crystal clear stated that the level is based only in rarity. No one can say it´s been fooled.
The thing is that FST is a marketplace, at least the invites and trading sections, nothing else, and if it´s needed to sacrifice the real meaning of things and twist them to fit for whatever purposes, then let´s be it.
Why are sites ranked only by rarity?. If the concept and leitmotiv here was to help people it should be based on content or an overall qualification, but not, here the levels are only based in rarity... Why, again?... I can only think: To promote and encourage massive amounts of users like crazies goats looking for what in many cases they don´t even have a clue. To the point that this site, on purpose or not, helps to create false senses of necessity. Today joins to FST a very happy user with what he has, he joins looking for whatever reason, one month later is looking like a cuckoo for things that he never knew their existence and now are almost a dead or life thing.

No kidding. Is funny how users as soon as they have been here over 30 days are trading. Just as soon as they read the WTAW thread and all the trade posts. Or you will get some total newb that doesn't have any private trackers askign for FTN cause he heard is awesome haha.

Really anyone that says that the WTAW thread does not encourage trading or invite/account selling is just a stupid trader looking for rare trackers that he has no idea what they have or what they are really worth.

Those that have had just about any tracker can really say what the best trackers are and I don't mean the tiny small and nice communities bullshit some people talk about trackers when they don't have anything else good to say about a tracker.

I can't stop wondering ... why do all those people claiming here that FST is shite and evil, have 1000+ posts and still remain here.

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

Today joins to FST a very happy user with what he has, he joins looking for whatever reason, one month later is looking like a cuckoo for things that he never knew their existence and now are almost a dead or life thing.

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True ... it can have that effect on a lot of members. But considering BT is a medium of the masses lately and a lot of unmature people use it it's no wonder they act like that.

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I can't stop wondering ... why do all those people claiming here that FST is shite and evil, have 1000+ posts and still remain here.

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You are wrong. FST is not shit and eveil but a lot of trackers do think so. BitmeTV is a good example. Is just the trader section that is full of morons. This site has a lot of forums besides the bitorrent section though and it can be very helpful for many people.

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Originally Posted by stoi

i could rustle up a tracker today, have just my staff and uploaders on it, 200 members, keep it closed for 2 years, be lvl 10, woopee, we are lvl 10, but the content etc will probably still be shit. but ppl will still trade their mothers for it.

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Not true. It would go to level three just like FileList.org. Or become one of the mythical trackers like 'horse porn' (if it still even exists) and not be on the WTAW list at all.

I agree with yevgeny that it is all about supply and demand.


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Originally Posted by Disme

I can't stop wondering ... why do all those people claiming here that FST is shite and evil, have 1000+ posts and still remain here.

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I wonder this as well. If it annoys them so much then why come to the BitTorrent section at all?

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Originally Posted by Disme

I can't stop wondering ... why do all those people claiming here that FST is shite and evil, have 1000+ posts and still remain here.

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If this comment is related to me I´ll say to you that I´ve never said this site is shit. As a matter of fact it´s like an university, you can go there to learn, to sell or buy drugs, to look for girls or just for having fun. You choose what you want to do, your career, your mates, you´ll have wonderful and lame teachers, it´s your choice select those things you find more useful and worthy.
I have many reasons for being grateful to FST, but that does not mean I have to agree with everything.

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Originally Posted by Disme

True ... it can have that effect on a lot of members. But considering BT is a medium of the masses lately and a lot of unmature people use it it's no wonder they act like that.

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This may be part the reason a lot of sites hate give aways and trades etc at places like fst

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Not true. It would go to level three just like FileList.org. Or become one of the mythical trackers like 'horse porn' (if it still even exists) and not be on the WTAW list at all.

I agree with yevgeny that it is all about supply and demand.

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Are you blind or you just don't want to see?

Mmm a while ago there were some new trackers that of course don't exist anymore cause they didn't want to open the doors. Shit, what were the names??

Oh yeah RTS was one of them. It was total crap, a small user database and a dead tracker. It was very new and it was rated like level 4-5 I think. And guess what, people would say. it's a nice tracker, it has potential etc... Just because it was rated higher than good trackers like TL or BCG.

Seriously a tracker that is already good like BCG could kill all the users and leave mmm maybe 500 and close the doors for 1 year and it's level 10, of course it would not be as good as it is now that way.

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Originally Posted by Duckater

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Originally Posted by Disme

True ... it can have that effect on a lot of members. But considering BT is a medium of the masses lately and a lot of unmature people use it it's no wonder they act like that.

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This may be part the reason a lot of sites hate give aways and trades etc at places like fst

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Agreed, the maturity level here isn't at an all-time high, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by 1080p

This is part dos of my trilogy of views on bittorrent, I have no idea what part 3 will be, but everyone knows that sequels suck so this one and the next are probably horrific. Also if you post, please keep it on topic and don't threaten others.

Anti-traders really piss me off as much as traders do. Why? Because only people who identify themselves as "anti-traders" have been traders in the past who "have learned from their mistakes" and need things for "free". Spamming trading threads, telling others your not going to get into a tracker by trading, kissing community reps ass, among other things isn't going to get you recognized as a quality member here. Neither is posting colorful links to your "proofs" and what you "need" for "free". I am going to examine this sentence for a second.

I need [placeholder] only for free.

First of all, this is the internet, you don't need anything. What you do need is food and water. Not an invite to a lousy tracker to get stuff that are otherwise readily available for you via other private sites and/or public trackers.
Now onwards towards the word "free". Getting a legitamate invite from a member with giving nothing back isn't called free. Any invite I have ever accumulated from anyone, whether that be from a forum or via IRC, I invest a lot, A LOT, of time chatting and making a name for myself. Now that doesn't mean I chat or hang out to get invites, I just build a trust with other members. Thats called a reputation. And getting a repuation isn't easy at all, hence why you getting an invite for "free" is a null statement.

Another thing, who made up anti-trader. It sounds so negative, its basically a doublt negative. How about the title, "rule follower" or
"repectable user".

People, you don't have to downgrade yourself to traders by labeling yourself the anti of them.

Now back to this sentence "Because only people who identify themselves as "anti-traders" have been traders in the past who "have learned from their mistakes" and need things for "free"."

I say this because users who havent traded, cheated, scammed, etc. don't need to label themselves as an anti-trader of all things. They have no need to make it known in public what they are. On the other hand, any person I see that claims they are an anti-trader have had a trading thread in their post history. These people have to make it public, often in annoying bright colors and incoherent english, that they have learned better. Thus they say they are anti-trade now.

So, to me, all anti-traders are, ironically, people who use to trade but are trying to save their asses. Who knows, maybe one of you did learn from your mistakes, but in the grand scheme of things, you cannot be trusted for that mistake. Deal with it.

Anyway, my two cents on trading and antitrading

part III coming soon;)

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Let that be a lesson, those that threaten to make future long posts will be banned :LOL::P

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Originally Posted by Disme

I can't stop wondering ... why do all those people claiming here that FST is shite and evil, have 1000+ posts and still remain here.

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my excuse would be for the endless entertainment at the expense of others; yes, i know how terrible that sounds, but everyone seems to make their way sooner or later so why not sit back and enjoy the shitstorm of barters-gone-wrong, said-member-is-a-cheater catfights, tracker-versus-tracker quarrels, and the occasional banning, amirite?

additionally, i offer support and consulting of certain select trackers

oh, and the smilies, too

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Lesson learned, just don't phuck with the canucks!

what is it with bit torrent and long winded essays..this week.

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Originally Posted by th0r

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Originally Posted by Disme

I can't stop wondering ... why do all those people claiming here that FST is shite and evil, have 1000+ posts and still remain here.

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my excuse would be for the endless entertainment at the expense of others; yes, i know how terrible that sounds, but everyone seems to make their way sooner or later so why not sit back and enjoy the shitstorm of barters-gone-wrong, said-member-is-a-cheater catfights, tracker-versus-tracker quarrels, and the occasional banning, amirite?



oh, and the smilies, too

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Oh so very true, FST is my soap opera :naughty:

What I am really curious about is if you 1000+ posters and FST-bashers came here after you got into all the trackers you ever wanted or after.

There might be some of you that arrived here only after they've established themselves in the communities they wanted, but I have the impression there are lots of complainers that got their head-start here at FST and now that they have all they want, do forget where they came from.

I do agree that this board has an enormous entertainment value and it is actually fun browsing and reading some of the stupidities that are posted. But I do admit there are a lot of very good Bittorrenters in here that help you out and contribute here and on a lot of private trackers.

But as I said before BT has become the medium of the masses, thus attracting a whole lot of morrons, dishonest people, twats, cunts, scammers, etc ... just like in real life.

Imho this board is just a reflection of the real world, where greed, envy and dishonesty rule, like they do in real life.

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Originally Posted by Disme

What I am really curious about is if you 1000+ posters and FST-bashers came here after you got into all the trackers you ever wanted or after.

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not me! actually, i believe i found out about FST in a rather negative way on TPG when i joined a tracker that required a TPG membership a looong time ago; i forgot which tracker, though, and i really wish TPG was more active, it is such a wonderful community

through the course of almost 4 consecutive years of torrenting and designing for several torrent trackers such as SceneReactor, ScL, OiNK, ScT and FSC, i have rightfully networked (e.g. making e-friends and designing shit for free) my way into memberships of my interest without trading, attracting attention by whoring mass invites, or begging random users for invites behind closed doors

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Originally Posted by Disme

There might be some of you that arrived here only after they've established themselves in the communities they wanted

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oh absolutely; i did not join this forum to flaunt my memberships like a wad of small bills with a bigger bill on the outside, but as i said earlier as a source of entertainment, social commentary, and occasionally some consulting and an extra invite behind-the-scenes for qualified members/friends who just happened to be members here

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Originally Posted by Disme

But I do admit there are a lot of very good Bittorrenters in here that help you out and contribute here and on a lot of private trackers.

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currently, i suppose; i can only really think of less than 5 of such members off the top of my head, there used to be a lot more, and with the community rep title long abbolished, it seems there are less and less of those types of members here as time goes on and/or maybe the senior posters are just getting bored

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Originally Posted by th0r

not me! actually, i believe i found out about FST in a rather negative way on TPG when i joined a tracker that required a TPG membership a looong time ago; i forgot which tracker, though, and i really wish TPG was more active, it is such a wonderful community

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No need to explain your situation th0r , I wasn't talking about you, I know you aren't one of those :)

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Originally Posted by th0r

currently, i suppose; i can only really think of less than 5 of such members off the top of my head, there used to be a lot more, and with the community rep title long abbolished, it seems there are less and less of those types of members here as time goes on and/or maybe the senior posters are just getting bored

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Or maybe the new members had to learn the hard way to separate their FST live from their private-tracker-life. Not everybody uses the same username in both 'worlds' ;)

Anyway ... the more people use BT, the more newbs join here and some of them (or should I say a lot) ruine it for the rest and give FST such a bad rep.
I guess the senior posters already evolved in a way that they are fed up with the behaviour of the 'juniors'.

i do not claim to be a senior poster nor am i a senior member of this forum, but i do consider myself a senior resident of the BitTorrent business (right rachael? stupid whore lol)

in all honesty, nowadays i am really sick of everything that is BitTorrent: the lawsuits, the barter races, the level pyramid, invites, seeding, posting in the forums, keeping memberships alive . . . i am a member of 3 or 4 top-tier trackers and i am recently finding myself trying to make time to even access those accounts just so that they do not die

what is happening to me?

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Originally Posted by th0r

i do not claim to be a senior poster nor am i a senior member of this forum, but i do consider myself a senior resident of the BitTorrent business (right rachael? stupid whore lol)

in all honesty, nowadays i am really sick of everything that is BitTorrent: the lawsuits, the barter races, the level pyramid, invites, seeding, posting in the forums, keeping memberships alive . . . i am a member of 3 or 4 top-tier trackers and i am recently finding myself trying to make time to even access those accounts just so that they do not die

what is happening to me?

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That all sounds so familiar, I could not describe how I feel any better :lol:

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Originally Posted by th0r

i do not claim to be a senior poster nor am i a senior member of this forum, but i do consider myself a senior resident of the BitTorrent business (right rachael? stupid whore lol)

in all honesty, nowadays i am really sick of everything that is BitTorrent: the lawsuits, the barter races, the level pyramid, invites, seeding, posting in the forums, keeping memberships alive . . . i am a member of 3 or 4 top-tier trackers and i am recently finding myself trying to make time to even access those accounts just so that they do not die

what is happening to me?

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I think it's called burnout - happens in almost every aspect of life when you put too much effort into any one thing...most torrenters with more than a handful of accounts get that feeling no doubt!

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Originally Posted by buggyfresh

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Originally Posted by th0r

i do not claim to be a senior poster nor am i a senior member of this forum, but i do consider myself a senior resident of the BitTorrent business (right rachael? stupid whore lol)

in all honesty, nowadays i am really sick of everything that is BitTorrent: the lawsuits, the barter races, the level pyramid, invites, seeding, posting in the forums, keeping memberships alive . . . i am a member of 3 or 4 top-tier trackers and i am recently finding myself trying to make time to even access those accounts just so that they do not die

what is happening to me?

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I think it's called burnout - happens in almost every aspect of life when you put too much effort into any one thing...most torrenters with more than a handful of accounts get that feeling no doubt!

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don't think it is anything to do with the number of accounts as that is quiet easily managed, it is time spent running a site checking places like here to find traders etc that are breaking sites rules.
I know how much it can cost in real life, in my case it resulted in divorce, not so bad the divorce to be fair but worse bit is not seeing the kids anywhere near as much as I would like.

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Originally Posted by th0r

i do not claim to be a senior poster nor am i a senior member of this forum, but i do consider myself a senior resident of the BitTorrent business (right rachael? stupid whore lol)

in all honesty, nowadays i am really sick of everything that is BitTorrent: the lawsuits, the barter races, the level pyramid, invites, seeding, posting in the forums, keeping memberships alive . . . i am a member of 3 or 4 top-tier trackers and i am recently finding myself trying to make time to even access those accounts just so that they do not die

what is happening to me?

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I think you are getting older. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Duckater

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Originally Posted by buggyfresh

I think it's called burnout - happens in almost every aspect of life when you put too much effort into any one thing...most torrenters with more than a handful of accounts get that feeling no doubt!

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don't think it is anything to do with the number of accounts as that is quiet easily managed, it is time spent running a site checking places like here to find traders etc that are breaking sites rules.
I know how much it can cost in real life, in my case it resulted in divorce, not so bad the divorce to be fair but worse bit is not seeing the kids anywhere near as much as I would like.

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Was it worth it? I'm trying to balance but wives seem to hate the internetz :huh:

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Originally Posted by buggyfresh

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Originally Posted by Duckater

don't think it is anything to do with the number of accounts as that is quiet easily managed, it is time spent running a site checking places like here to find traders etc that are breaking sites rules.
I know how much it can cost in real life, in my case it resulted in divorce, not so bad the divorce to be fair but worse bit is not seeing the kids anywhere near as much as I would like.

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Was it worth it? I'm trying to balance but wives seem to hate the internetz :huh:

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Wives :O one was bad enough for me :lol:
Not sure really m8 miss the kids most the time but happy living on me own :)
Guess you got to decide how much ya marriage is worth to you :)

^ Fair enough duckater!

I bet most wives just think of "the net" as somewhere to view porn, no matter how much you try to explain, the mass media has labelled the net as pron paradise and that is the message they get in their heads, sadly.

So, conversely, if you spend time on the net, you are only surfing for pron in her mind :whistling

/me goes back to bangbrosnetwork.com

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

I bet most wives just think of "the net" as somewhere to view porn, no matter how much you try to explain, the mass media has labelled the net as pron paradise and that is the message they get in their heads, sadly.

So, conversely, if you spend time on the net, you are only surfing for pron in her mind :whistling

/me goes back to bangbrosnetwork.com

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More commonly, i hear that i should spend more time with my irl friends instead of wasting time, communicating with "imaginary" friends on the net. Funny thing is, you hear this no matter how wide and active your irl social life is. Rules to follow: don't socialize on the net in other forms than on msn or on facebook, because then you are a geek and you will end up rotting in hell. :fst:

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

I bet most wives just think of "the net" as somewhere to view porn, no matter how much you try to explain, the mass media has labelled the net as pron paradise and that is the message they get in their heads, sadly.

So, conversely, if you spend time on the net, you are only surfing for pron in her mind :whistling

/me goes back to bangbrosnetwork.com

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So you do know my wife?

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Originally Posted by danio

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

I bet most wives just think of "the net" as somewhere to view porn, no matter how much you try to explain, the mass media has labelled the net as pron paradise and that is the message they get in their heads, sadly.

So, conversely, if you spend time on the net, you are only surfing for pron in her mind :whistling

/me goes back to bangbrosnetwork.com

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More commonly, i hear that i should spend more time with my irl friends instead of wasting time, communicating with "imaginary" friends on the net. Funny thing is, you hear this no matter how wide and active your irl social life is. Rules to follow: don't socialize on the net in other forms than on msn or on facebook, because then you are a geek and you will end up rotting in hell. :fst:

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Well looks like I best search for directions to hell then :lol:

So, as you can probably see in my sig... I'm anti-trade. I've never traded before and I never will.

I'm anti-trade because I think that it is an incredibly selfish thing to do. When I giveaway an invite, I give it to the person so that he can enjoy the tracker, not so that he can use it as a bargaining chip to get something else.

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Originally Posted by Duckater

I know how much it can cost in real life, in my case it resulted in divorce, not so bad the divorce to be fair but worse bit is not seeing the kids anywhere near as much as I would like.

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:frusty:

If I said what I was thinking I'd probably be banned so... :shutup:

it seems the anti-traders are collectors just as well. whats the point of having 50 accounts if you only use 3? taking up space on a tracker is no better than giving the account to somebody who may make good use of it for at least a couple days...then gives it to somebody else. as long as the account is changing hands it is being used for something rather than collecting dust.

if your moral standards are determined by the way you behave on a filesharing site then your priorities are seriously fucked.

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Originally Posted by kooftspc11

if your moral standards are determined by the way you behave on a filesharing site then your priorities are seriously fucked.

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Pirates discussing the relation between online and real life ethics :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by bblogs

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Originally Posted by kooftspc11

if your moral standards are determined by the way you behave on a filesharing site then your priorities are seriously fucked.

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Pirates discussing the relation between online and real life ethics :rolleyes:

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you missed the point completely :rolleyes:

I did?