ESiR - Best HD Release group?

I honestly do not see much of a difference. What is the difference that you guys are commenting on? All that I can see is that Esir's looks a little darker. But I'm not seeing this blur that makkienator commented on.

But yeah, as Player said, people are too picky. They both look nice and crisp and colorful.

wiki looks better because of sharpen filter,I'm sure ESiR is close to the source~

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Originally Posted by labuladuo

wiki looks better because of sharpen filter,I'm sure ESiR is close to the source~

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wiki :ermm: you are?

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Originally Posted by Funkin'

I honestly do not see much of a difference. What is the difference that you guys are commenting on? All that I can see is that Esir's looks a little darker. But I'm not seeing this blur that makkienator commented on.

But yeah, as Player said, people are too picky. They both look nice and crisp and colorful.

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Just watch books in the picture, you'll be surprised how much ESiR is worser then WiKi. WiKi dont release as often as ESiR, people mostly think ESiR is best cause they release the most, more then scene groups, their quantity is top, but quality not.

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Originally Posted by makkienator

ESiR is overated:

Meet.The.Robinsons.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7428/robins003hp3.png

so blur compared to

Meet.the.Robinsons.2007.BluRay.720p.x264.DTS-WiKi
http://xs231.xs.to/xs231/08371/vlcsnap-732516474.png

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Those frames are different. Look at the size of the eyes in each picture. The Wiki one has bigger eyes therefor it is a different frame.

Yep, but you can still see the diference in quality, its obvious.

Yes, I can see a difference, that's true.

What are the respective filesizes of each rip and what are the bitrates?

I've had a look on both HDBits and BitHDTV and can't find the Wiki release of Meet the Robinsons on either site.

Length: 94 Mins
Size: 4.37 GB
Source: BluRay
Subtitles: English
Video resolution: 1280x720
Video format: x264
Video bitrate: 6614
Video framerate: 23.976 fps
Audio format: DTS
Audio bitrate: 1536 kbps
Audio: English

It will be on bithdtv during this day.

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Originally Posted by makkienator

Length: 94 Mins
Size: 4.37 GB
Source: BluRay
Subtitles: English
Video resolution: 1280x720
Video format: x264
Video bitrate: 6614
Video framerate: 23.976 fps
Audio format: DTS
Audio bitrate: 1536 kbps
Audio: English

It will be on bithdtv during this day.

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Thanks for the info.

And this is the info for the ESIR release:

RELEASE.NAME..: Meet.The.Robinsons.2007.720p.BluRay.DTS.x264-ESiR
RELEASE.DATE..: 06.12.2007
THEATRE.DATE..: 23.3.2007 (UK - IMAX version)
RUNTiME.......: 1:34:30
SiZE..........: 4.06GB (Space left for an extra 448kbps soundtrack)
ViDEO.CODEC...: x264
FRAMERATE.....: 23.976
BiTRATE.......: 4638kbps
RESOLUTiON....: 1280x720 (16:9 full frame)
AUDiO.........: English DTS 5.1 1.5mbit
SUBTiTLES.....: English - ASS
SOURCE........: Meet the Robinsons Blu-ray 1080p AVC EU

I guess it's the video bitrate of the Wiki version that makes the difference (6614 vs 4638) although I'm no expert.

^ Yeah, that's what it looks like. So maybe it is true the bigger the file size the better the quality? I don't know though, I'm not an expert either.

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Originally Posted by makkienator

Just watch books in the picture, you'll be surprised how much ESiR is worser then WiKi. WiKi dont release as often as ESiR, people mostly think ESiR is best cause they release the most, more then scene groups, their quantity is top, but quality not.

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You actually got me interested in Wiki's releases now, since I don't think I've downloaded many of theirs.(I usually grab Eureka's releases whenever I have the choice). I'm going to grab a copy of Meet the Robinson's from both groups(Wiki and Esir) and see how each look in motion. Unstable is right, those aren't the same frames, but Wiki's does look a little crisper and more vibrant. I wanna see them both in motion.

I'm glad you posted those.

I uploaded now on bithdtv WiKi release, so who wants can grab, I posted same frames, and diference is lesser then on these pictures, so I apologies, but it is still little bit better, sharper, better colours.

EuReKA is my favorite group. They have more releases than all other groups and they don't care about DVD-size at all (CRF). DXVA is a nice bonus "feature" too.

CtrlHD is a big group and the quality and type of encoding depends to much on the actual encoder. They are better than scene of course as almost all internal encoders are. Other good encoders/groups are: HDmonSK, iLL, DON, ESiR, M794, MMI, NiX, PerfectionHD

If you stick to those groups and to HDbits and Bit-HDTV, you'll get more than 80% of all available movies in great quality.

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Originally Posted by newswalker

EuReKA is my favorite group. They have more releases than all other groups and they don't care about DVD-size at all (CRF). DXVA is a nice bonus "feature" too.

CtrlHD is a big group and the quality and type of encoding depends to much on the actual encoder. They are better than scene of course as almost all internal encoders are. Other good encoders/groups are: HDmonSK, iLL, DON, ESiR, M794, MMI, NiX, PerfectionHD

If you stick to those groups and to HDbits and Bit-HDTV, you'll get more than 80% of all available movies in great quality.

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Thx for this, I already know for iLL, DON and NiX but in future I will pay attention to other groups you mentioned.

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Originally Posted by dunson

Thanks for teh infraction! Keep protecting the assholes that make the torrent sites hate FST, it's a great long-term plan!

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Why does dunsom have disabled privs.? Hes one of the best users here...

Thanks for the info on this thread. I have been downloading all my fave movies as scene releases from TL and have sometimes been pretty disappointed by the quality compared to actual Blu-Ray / HD-DVD. Now I know there are better releases I am going to have to get myself onto hdbits by trading some invites when my initial 30 days here is up.

Feel like I have wasted over 100GB of DL though :(

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Originally Posted by monkeylover

Now I know there are better releases I am going to have to get myself onto hdbits by trading some invites when my initial 30 days here is up.

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Yeah...good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by Funkin'

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Originally Posted by monkeylover

Now I know there are better releases I am going to have to get myself onto hdbits by trading some invites when my initial 30 days here is up.

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Yeah...good luck with that.

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I take it we are well into tough territory to get in :cry:

Eureka > CtrlHD + ESIR > than any other group.

Eureka No1. ESiR and CtrlHD joint second.

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Originally Posted by unstable1

eureka > ctrlhd + esir > than any other group.

Eureka no1. Esir and ctrlhd joint second.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL:lol::lol::lol:

I think Esir i ok but looking at WiKi big difference by far better quality, which tracker has most of WiKi releases

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Originally Posted by 2slick4u

I think Esir i ok but looking at WiKi big difference by far better quality, which tracker has most of WiKi releases

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HDChina I believe

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Originally Posted by 2slick4u

I think Esir i ok but looking at WiKi big difference by far better quality, which tracker has most of WiKi releases

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HDChina is their HOME. You've just missed their open signup.

For 720p encodes ESiR is my choice. Just started downloading some WiKi releases, will need a better TV to see the difference. I actually want to see some comparison between these two groups and to source. Does anyone happen have any?
Also agree that CtrlHD's quality really depends on the actual encoders. I wasted 8G on their Leon 2 in 1 not long ago.

HDChina how often they open signups do they have English releases i guess i have to wait or get invited by some1 which i don't see it anyway i got that message thx for the info 已经正式封闭运行，采用邀请机制。如果您想加入，请找到能够邀请您进入本站的朋友。no clu what they saying why not make it simple CLOSED

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Originally Posted by 2slick4u

HDChina how often they open signups do they have English releases i guess i have to wait or get invited by some1 which i don't see it anyway i got that message thx for the info 已经正式封闭运行，采用邀请机制。如果您想加入，请找到能够邀请您进入本站的朋友。no clu what they saying why not make it simple CLOSED

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You've got it right. Same thing as it's a private site by invite only get an invite from a friend blahblahblah. :shifty:
Check back sticky post sites open for signup often and you'll get your chance. :fst:

thank you will check from time to time

1. EUREKA
   
2. ESIR
3. DON
4. CINEFILE
5. WIKI
6. CTRLHD
7. BESTHD
8. SINNERS

Stay away from

1. Septic
2. and all others

you obviously have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to HD. Scene groups shouldn't be on the list. And I hope that isnt in order of quality cause if it is I would just delete that post.

P.S. Why are you bumping this old thread

Ive downloaded mostly every group and Ive always found EuReKA releases to be the best of the best. The file sizes are huge, but the quality is the best your going to find. ESiR tries to make the files somewhat smaller, at the price of quality.

*trolls for scene groups*

What bitrate of a compressed 720p and 1080p movie is good, and what's bad? Is it a good thing to compare releases with, if I just want quality?