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Originally Posted by Disme

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

So how did u get into BitHumen then :huh: ...

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I said I don't like the fact people do public GA's and give invites to peeps they don't know at all (except for a lousy ratio-proof and speedtest) ... I didn't say I never applied for a public GA, hell knows I got a fair number of trackers from a public GA.
I just say I would never ever do a public GA ... and trading or public GA's are basically the same in terms of consequences for the inviter/invitee/tracker.

If you saw my BT-rep you'd see I have done 3 in the past ... one for a tracker that was open-signup :frusty: and two for an easily accessible one.
They date from some time now and I saw really fast public GA's weren't my thing.

Basically I think someone doing a lot of public GA's isn't my first choice when I decide to handout an invite.

Hope you understand better what I was trying to explain. :happy:

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Quoted for undeniable proof of hypocrisy
Did u even read what you have written .. You equate Public GA's to trading on one hand and the other you openly admitt that you got a good number of them through same thing ..
Does it make sense?
Atleast give back to the community from which you have got your fair share ..
But if u r saying that Public GA are dangerous as you never knw what ur invitee would do with it then thats a different topic ..
Remember you cannot clap with one hand .. You cant just say that they are bad and then participate in it ..
Though i totally inderstand your point that you wud never indulge in Public GA of your own as its a bit too risky for you ; it depends from person to person and there is nothing wrong with that .. But somewhere down the line you would have to take the risk :naughty: ..

This has nothing to do with hypochrisy ... I applied in public GA's ... yes ... and the inviter/tracker was lucky I got the invite :)

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

But if u r saying that Public GA are dangerous as you never knw what ur invitee would do with it then thats a different topic

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That is the only thing I meant to say ... and don't worry ... I have been given more to this community than you know (but you don't because I don't show of any rep) and nobody needs to know who I have invited and where.

Public GA to unknow peeps form the same problem for a tracker/inviter/invitee ... who just joined your tracker/who you invited/you don't know who invited you.

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Originally Posted by Disme

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Originally Posted by puckface

But, I wonder why I dont see these same people going to the giveaway section and getting all high and mighty there? I mean, giveaways to people you dont know are "forbidden" and "against tracker rules"

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Who said invite GA's to unknown people are supported by everyone ... I don't like trading and I don't like public invite GA's ... they are all about the same to me.

I'm not a fanatic anti-this or anti-that ... but I won't give an invite of mine to people I don't like, that's all.

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Dude, Im not picking on anyone, especially you. But as I said in my post, I find it finny as all hell that people find trading abhorrent but giveaways are cool.

Hating traders is just fashionable, and people are ridiculous with the whole mob mentality. Thats my point.

I knew i could not stay quiet for long lol

OK this is only MY opinion, not BCG, or my staffs or any other trackers out there.

Giveaways and trading are both good and bad, it all depends where and how it is done.

A: You have been a member of a tracker for awhile, you get to know members, IRC/Forums, even have them on MSN etc.

You get an Invite for another site, you give it to one of those members you know and have been chatting to.

Giveaways like hat are fine

B: Trading. Same as above, but you get talking to your friend, he has an invite for a site you want to get in, and you have an invite for a one he wants to get it.

Trading like that is fine.

C: You come to a public forum, or any invite forum for that matter, you giveaway an invite to someone you have no idea who the hell he is, he may have just been banned 20 minutes ago on that same tracker, and im sure if they have just been banned, the staff dont want to see him again, even with another nickname and email and IP, because sooner or later he will get found out.

D: same as above, but you trade the Invite, same scenario, you dont know them how on earth can you trust them to be a good member, you may get links to their profiles, they may be a good member on 3-5 sites, so you think, ok i can trust them, but they may have been banned from 20+ sites and you have no bloody idea.

E: Account trading is bad for A : B : C : D and just should not be done full stop.

Also traders will tend to just lurk in the shadows, seed and leech but never take part in the community, now i hear a lot of members on here say, Trackers are for Files, I have other places for the Community, but in all seriosness if we did not have a good community or it was completely dead, It would not be worth my while to run the site, to me the Community is more important than the tracker, after all you can get most of the files elsewhere anyway.

PS: I absolutely detest FST Giveaway and Trade Sections, as well as the WTAW thread.

But i have tried my best to change it, but they are just going to change the WTO and leave the WTAW the way it is (as far as i can understand anyway) so whats the point.

I have argued till i am blue in the face, and its still done no frigging good, so whatever, time for others to take up the mantle now, I give up fighting a loosing cause.

PPS: the reason you see so much hatred, is believe it or not, the members that are flaming traders, actually care about their trackers, 99% of traders could not give a shit about them.

trolling/flaming traders gives you 'anti-trader' cred. so then, you're good to go when you make a request with hopes that a stranger will fulfill it.

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Originally Posted by stoi

the members that are flaming traders, actually care about their trackers, 99% of traders could not give a shit about them.

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what does caring abt a tracker entail?

On a related note (another warning), it probably makes sense to look out for people who advertise a trade, but close the thread so nobody can comment, and who ask you to "send first" but then never respond after you suggest a middleman - red flag!!! Of course I'm not talking about anybody in particular...*cough* +: ) *cough* :)

This thread is really worth reading . It involved all sorts of thoughts . I liked Stoi's post . It's simple and well organized . I also wanna ask , why keep the Trading and the WTAW sections ? if these sections are gone , FST will be much better , a lot of scum ( who doesn't care about FST ) will simply leave . I think that you guys ( FST staff members ) should consider removing the trading section and that useless WTAW thread . Anyways Good Luck :)

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

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Originally Posted by stoi

the members that are flaming traders, actually care about their trackers, 99% of traders could not give a shit about them.

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what does caring abt a tracker entail?

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I don't know what stoi meant (I'm not inhis head), but caring for a tracker is basically being genuinly interested in a tracker ... having some friends on a tracker, being active on a tracker.
Caring about what kind of members are part of the tracker so you know it is safe for you to post things you might not post on a public tracker. Being able to download/seed things, without major concerns for your safety, because not every nitwit can join the tracker in question and the tracker staff care for their members too.

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Originally Posted by DeathAngel

I think that you guys ( FST staff members ) should consider removing the trading section and that useless WTAW thread.

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that's been pushed for years; it's not going to happen anytime soon, unfortunately

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Originally Posted by Disme

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

what does caring abt a tracker entail?

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I don't know what stoi meant (I'm not inhis head), but caring for a tracker is basically being genuinly interested in a tracker ... having some friends on a tracker, being active on a tracker.
Caring about what kind of members are part of the tracker so you know it is safe for you to post things you might not post on a public tracker. Being able to download/seed things, without major concerns for your safety, because not every nitwit can join the tracker in question and the tracker staff care for their members too.

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You R confusing community with trackers ...A strong community is a addon to the primary purpose of the tracker which is to share files incase that was lost among all the community bullshit that goes on around here ..
If u dont want the files and just the community you would be better off with your own regional forums .. Regarding safety its the staff concern ans nothing to do with us caring abt the tracker ...

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

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Originally Posted by Disme

I don't know what stoi meant (I'm not inhis head), but caring for a tracker is basically being genuinly interested in a tracker ... having some friends on a tracker, being active on a tracker.
Caring about what kind of members are part of the tracker so you know it is safe for you to post things you might not post on a public tracker. Being able to download/seed things, without major concerns for your safety, because not every nitwit can join the tracker in question and the tracker staff care for their members too.

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You R confusing community with trackers ...A strong community is a addon to the primary purpose of the tracker which is to share files incase that was lost among all the community bullshit that goes on around here ..
If u dont want the files and just the community you would be better off with your own regional forums .. Regarding safety its the staff concern ans nothing to do with us caring abt the tracker ...

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Let's say sharing is caring ... but I only share when I know it's safe to do so ... by trading you are geopardising the security of the tracker by bringing in new members that werent supposed to be there in the first place.
Bringing that kind of members in could bring down the tracker what would be felt like a loss to some (the ones who care, the others would just move on), but could also result in me being prosecuted for sharing my stuffz, and I ould like to avoid that scenario.
A trackers safety isn't only the staff's concern imo ... if you truly believe that you're wrong.

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Originally Posted by Disme

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

You R confusing community with trackers ...A strong community is a addon to the primary purpose of the tracker which is to share files incase that was lost among all the community bullshit that goes on around here ..
If u dont want the files and just the community you would be better off with your own regional forums .. Regarding safety its the staff concern ans nothing to do with us caring abt the tracker ...

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Let's say sharing is caring ... but I only share when I know it's safe to do so ... by trading you are geopardising the security of the tracker by bringing in new members that werent supposed to be there in the first place.
Bringing that kind of members in could bring down the tracker what would be felt like a loss to some (the ones who care, the others would just move on), but could also result in me being prosecuted for sharing my stuffz, and I ould like to avoid that scenario.
A trackers safety isn't only the staff's concern imo ... if you truly believe that you're wrong.

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Where in my post have i talked about trading .. Its common sense that trading poses a security risk .. I am asking what does caring entail and not about Trading ..
Again the point i mentioned was that according to you : being active on a tracker(apart from seeding/leeching) , making friends is all for the community and not necess. translates into caring abt a tracker

@avatar - Inspired from BigBoab?Who is this guy

bty do u have any idea y cabalo was banned?

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

Again the point i mentioned was that according to you : being active on a tracker(apart from seeding/leeching) , making friends is all for the community and not necess. translates into caring abt a tracker

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Caring about a tracker is both seeding/leeching and being an active part of the tracker-community ... but as I stated before that's what I believe to be caring for a tracker. Being concerned for it's well-being, having fun, sharing your stuff with like-minded people or even friends.

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

@avatar - Inspired from BigBoab?Who is this guy

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Not inspired from BigBoab :noes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercule_Poirot

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

bty do u have any idea y cabalo was banned?

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He's not banned ... he's disabled, whatever that means ... I believe it has something to do with spreading false accusations but I am not sure.

Ok i will answer this.

Community encompases.

using the tracker, as in downloading stuff from that tracker, not just grabbing it elsewhere and helping seed with a seedbox for 2 days so you can get to the higher classes and do nothing else on it.

helping your fellow members out, if you downloaded something and it works, someone else puts in the comments, it does not work, you say it does and explain how you got it to work, and talk them through it.

helping fellow members out on the forums, for the same as above for for bittorrent and tracker queries, and anything else they may want help with.

Coming into IRC, and getting involved in live chat now and again, you dont have to be in there 24/7 just pop in now and again see how everyone is doing, see who is in, and just have a laugh. (or again help out if need be).

Upload your own stuff, and keep an eye on the comments, but also take the bad with the good comments, as we all get them and throwing your toys out the pram with 1 bad comment is just silly.

Keeping files on your hdd, keep an eye on the torrents needing seeds, if one pops up that you have, get back on it and help them out, dont just get to a 1 ratio and delete the things.

basically getting yourself involved as much as you can, even asking questions when your not sure on something, getting to know other members and the staff, and most of all, enjoying your experience.

honestly if trackers were just all about the tracker and the files more importantly and nothing else, we all may as well just use Emule.

bottom line is, there is a lot of things that encompass community, use your imagination.

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Regarding safety its the staff concern ans nothing to do with us caring abt the tracker ...

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and that response there is a typical traders response, just trying to justify that your actions are not damaging to a tracker.

honestly how many trackers do yous want for crying out loud, i heard that 1 trader would not be happy until he had 5 accounts on every tracker, ffs whats the point, go and collect pokemon cards instead. (but i forgot, that costs you money, your trading for things that are free, thats why its so stupid.

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Originally Posted by stoi

honestly if trackers were just all about the tracker and the files more importantly and nothing else, we all may as well just use Emule.

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Although I absolutely agree with the rest of the points in your post stoi, this is exactly the same thought that I have always had whenever someone defends a lack of activity (forum, irc etc.) on the idea that a tracker is all about teh filez and that community is bullshit. If just getting the files is your only concern and yet you have to have every tracker in existence to download them from then you are missing the whole point of being part of a private torrent tracker.
In fact some private trackers are now changing their rules to reflect the fact that they want members who are active on the tracker and the forum, FtN is one recent example of this but there are others and in order to gain invites etc you have to actually participate.

well i will be honest, Forum posts are a good way to measure for promotions but..

a lot of people dont like forums at all

I can just forsee lots of spam crappy posts spouting up in the first 30 minutes of putting something like that on.

but saying that, we are thinking about doing something similar.

read the new ranks/class names thread in the global announcements forum. not just the 1st post either, there is a table in there somewhere with what we have planned.

But it wont really be for "Higher Ranks" or people get bonuses because they have a higher rank (like invites, saying as though users get invites or the PU or whatever) everyone will be even, just members with different achievments (sp).

its planned, whether or not it will ever come off though is a different matter lol

Stoi reading your posts I wish I used BCG. I should go buy an Xbox or PS3 or something damnit!

don't think you can play pirated ps3 games yet.

well its this sort of thing that does my head in

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...stion-320286/?

why ask here, when we have a Forum and IRC.

its not that bad of a question to ask, he said he done it because he may get a faster response, but why, lucky i was on here at the time, or it would not have been fast at all.

it just boggles the mind sometimes.

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

bty do u have any idea y cabalo was banned?

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He's not banned ... he's disabled, whatever that means ... I believe it has something to do with spreading false accusations but I am not sure.

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Banned/Disabled is the same thing.

^ He seems to be back now. Along with Sweetiepie.

F**king cheats, I hate them all.

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Originally Posted by Disme

Caring about a tracker is both seeding/leeching and being an active part of the tracker-community ... but as I stated before that's what I believe to be caring for a tracker. Being concerned for it's well-being, having fun, sharing your stuff with like-minded people or even friends.

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

@avatar - Inspired from BigBoab?Who is this guy

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Not inspired from BigBoab :noes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercule_Poirot

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

bty do u have any idea y cabalo was banned?

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He's not banned ... he's disabled, whatever that means ... I believe it has something to do with spreading false accusations but I am not sure.

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well they are not false and the staff knows that too. it was for insisting publicly about it. it was considered stalking.
not my problem at all, so...

@deathangel: doing so would make things even more chaotic. it's better to have a structure to rely on than everyone has their own's.
actually, only those that are interested use it. i honestly have not a clear idea of what are the "levels" thingy there, i am a content-wise user.

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Originally Posted by Disme

He's not banned ... he's disabled, whatever that means ... I believe it has something to do with spreading false accusations but I am not sure.

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Banned/Disabled is the same thing.

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Uhh nope homeboy. Banned you cannot access your account. Disabled you cannot access some sections or send PM's

banned and disabled refer to the same thing in private tracker accounts. you are thinking about something else

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Originally Posted by b1oodyh3ll

banned and disabled refer to the same thing in private tracker accounts. you are thinking about something else

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:stupid: Little hint there cowboy...........this isnt a private tracker..........:blink:

Well saying as this is about trading, I was going to make a new thread, but thought i would just put it here.

Do NOT Post Giveaways For Non BT Sites

* Sites such as Joost and similar are NOT BT related.
* DO NOT make giveaway threads for these sites.
* Those posting these may have rep removed.
* You can trade these if a bt site is involved.

Is this rule still in effect, and if it is, what about

Rapidshare giveaways and trades.
Seedbox usage to get into trackers.
sopify or whatever its called.

and to a certain extent, TT seed hours, tbh i have no idea what these are (I can guess, but i am not a member, so do not know exactly how its worked) but that to me seems a real easy way to get a

"Trading Point Rep"

as that is what they are called and have been called for ages now, just hover over the tick on anyones name and it says

add a Trading point rep to username

which is the reason I stopped showing mine, I thought naively they were just for your help on the site, but you can only get them in the invite forums (even though i have some for posts in other sections, the member just has to go and find a post of mine in the invite forum and does it that way), and I have never traded in my life (i have nothing to trade for a start lol). So i stoppped showing mine, tbh i have never looked at them for about a year so i dont have a clue how many i have.

anyway, back to my point, are those allowed, and if they are allowed surely the wording of the rule needs to be changed, because they have nothing at all to do with a BT site, apart from TT Seed hours, but then that has nothing to so with Invites so.......

Good point Stoi. I'm not sure on the symantics of the rule we're goingto have to wait for a higher up to comment

Thought it was time to bump this one. Again guys please use some common sense when trading. If the ask you to go right into MSN something is fishy, if they refuse to use a middleman something is fishy. In general if it smells bad in ANY way don't eat it, know what I mean?.

@ Stoi I forgot all about you there sorry. After New year Ill get it sorted K bud?

Just wanted to bring this up front again guys.