When are we NOT talking anal?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Are we talking anal here?Quote:
Originally Posted by nthpeter
Printable View
When are we NOT talking anal?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Are we talking anal here?Quote:
Originally Posted by nthpeter
Let's just say I'd never give my invite if I knew someone was a trader, even if that happens to be my best friend.
I don't buy the crap about people saying how they've reformed... yada yada...
(if it were like years ago, and it was say.. one lvl 1 tracker for another lvl 1... and never again... then maybe I'll reconsider...)
This little snippet is from bmtv....I think they have the best FAQ/Rules...
"There are plenty of honest users eagerly waiting for an opportunity to have an account with xxxxx, and they will be happy to take your place. We have no need for those who can't be trusted."
who knows where my invite will end up if I give it to a trader?
besides, invites should be given on the basis of how much the potential member could contribute to the community, not just for someone's personal gain (aka the other invite)
Ahhh yet another fence sitter ' I don't do it, but I don't see any problem' ffs grow some balls, at least others are discussing why they believe a point of view. Just saying I don't do it but I don't see a problem isn't an opinion it's a cop out, or are you just keeping your feet in both camps for that private trade in pm ?Quote:
Originally Posted by colyu
Are you fucking serious? Don't be so foolish to think he HAS to follow one of two opinions. Maybe it didn't occur to you, but there are people who believe there are more important issues to worry about rather than bitch over who does what over the internet, much less trade invites. God damn the internet is srsbsn.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtemisAhhh yet another fence sitter ' I don't do it, but I don't see any problem' ffs grow some balls, at least others are discussing why they believe a point of view. Just saying I don't do it but I don't see a problem isn't an opinion it's a cop out, or are you just keeping your feet in both camps for that private trade in pm ?Quote:
Originally Posted by colyu
^ Well said.
Yep sure am 'fucking serious' ,I find the whole I don't do it but I don't have a problem with it, live and let live, lets all sit around and knit yoghurt posts around here kind of pathetic actually. I will respect anyone who has an opinion that is well presented whether the point of view is contrary to mine or not, and I have learned a great deal from others opinions. There don't just have to be two opinions 'but I don't do it, but I don't see a problem with it' isn't an opinion, it's a half formed brain fart.Quote:
Originally Posted by NA_MagusAre you fucking serious? Don't be so foolish to think he HAS to follow one of two opinions. Maybe it didn't occur to you, but there are people who believe there are more important issues to worry about rather than bitch over who does what over the internet, much less trade invites. God damn the internet is srsbsn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
There are so many other things that this little gem are applied to, not just the internet, and I find it truly pathetic. There are no justifications or thoughts behind this 'opinion' it is just a throwaway statement where the person can fence sit on an issue.
At least explain why you do or don't like something, this is filesharing talk not filesharing platitudes, people very clearly know my own opinions whether they agree with them or not.
Ah, the compelling discussion of morality amongst those who cheat people from income. :rolleyes:
i don't trade because i don't want to risk my account or my invitees. if someone else is desperate enough to go the trading route, that's his choice/problem. serious business.
lol I asked this question to a trader once and this is the asnwer I got:
"What do I think about trading??? I love it. How else am i supposed to get all those high level trackers.
High level = Expensive Invite for sale= More money in my paypal :lol:"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
Some people only see the world in black and white I guess.
Ok, the main reason why I don't care if people trade is, in my opinion, there IS nothing that is "morally" wrong in trading. People get it into their heads that trading is horrible and the only way to respectfully get an invite is to trade. Well I believe thats just plain wrong. Its just like bartering. Everyone who lived before currency had to barter. So do those people have no morals? And at FST, where everyone's out to get a higher level tracker, look at where all those invites are! Are the in the giveaway section? No. Are requests for them being filled despite 100+ rep? No. The only place they are in is in the Trading section. And if your goal is to get into some high level tracker, well thats the only place to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtemisYep sure am 'fucking serious' ,I find the whole I don't do it but I don't have a problem with it, live and let live, lets all sit around and knit yoghurt posts around here kind of pathetic actually. I will respect anyone who has an opinion that is well presented whether the point of view is contrary to mine or not, and I have learned a great deal from others opinions. There don't just have to be two opinions 'but I don't do it, but I don't see a problem with it' isn't an opinion, it's a half formed brain fart.Quote:
Originally Posted by NA_Magus
There are so many other things that this little gem are applied to, not just the internet, and I find it truly pathetic. There are no justifications or thoughts behind this 'opinion' it is just a throwaway statement where the person can fence sit on an issue.
At least explain why you do or don't like something, this is filesharing talk not filesharing platitudes, people very clearly know my own opinions whether they agree with them or not.
I'm not trying to sound like too much of a pro-trading person, but giveaways just fail when you try to get some high level tracker.
^ Maybe here most of those "higher level" requests go un-fullfilled, but there's a lot of other closed communities where they do get filled. So no, the only chances to get into those type of trackers is not only by trading.
True, I'm in one of those "closed communities" and they do giveaway high level invites, but at those places, people don't care about high-level trackers. I know plenty of people who have turned down a higher level tracker for a lower one, as their satisfied with what they've got. But for the majority of people who are stuck on FST, the only way their gonna get SCT or something else like it is by trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'
Colyu has some very valid points.
Here the morality that stands is the one related with higher bt rep = higher chances to get invited to uk-t/ftn and others.
when those people achieved a high bt-rep, by giving seedhours for quick rep, and then take their chance and request ScT and no one cares, they get disappointed, create a new account and trade their ass off to get there as they have empirically tested the other way, without results.
some other give it, just cuz they want and don't really need much in return, but those are extremely few, and i can't remember of more than a couple of them.
There is no such thing as a magical solution for this forum's problems, except the users taking the issues on their own hands and point the finger when they have to. and i see some actively doing it, which hopefully with a strong control of dupe accounts, will make the air here easier to breath.
I understand the reasons why some trade, and there are those who do trade in exactly the way you describe, but my main objection with trading is that this currency has unscrupulous 'stockbrokers' that simply trade for the sake of trading.There are many examples here at this forum 4pirates and bakkouka are two that come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by colyuOk, the main reason why I don't care if people trade is, in my opinion, there IS nothing that is "morally" wrong in trading. People get it into their heads that trading is horrible and the only way to respectfully get an invite is to trade. Well I believe thats just plain wrong. Its just like bartering. Everyone who lived before currency had to barter. So do those people have no morals? And at FST, where everyone's out to get a higher level tracker, look at where all those invites are! Are the in the giveaway section? No. Are requests for them being filled despite 100+ rep? No. The only place they are in is in the Trading section. And if your goal is to get into some high level tracker, well thats the only place to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
I'm not trying to sound like too much of a pro-trading person, but giveaways just fail when you try to get some high level tracker.
Then of course trading is the thin end of the wedge, with trading comes all the scams and of course invite selling, there are even auction sites around where people bid on invites or accounts.Without trading there would be none of the scamming that goes on around here and at other similar forums and the scammers would be out of a hobby. Just like there are those who say they simply want to barter their invites to get into 'higher level' trackers there are those who are here for the rip, to get one over on others whether it is to get something which has a higher value or simply to take acounts from unwary n00bs who don't know that the trading process has consequences. You only have to look at the threads every couple of days to see the omg someone stole my account threads to realise just how often this happens.
Finally it is a complete fallacy that the only way to get into high level trackers is by trading. Many of these websites have closed membership and only invite on staff approval simply because they are sick and tired of having invites to the site traded, so it is trading itself which makes joining these sites more difficult. Many of the staff of these trackers are here and at other forums as well and invite users as they get to know them. All trackers want new members even the 'high level' ones, so very simply if you post and and chat in irc you will interact with other members who get to know you these same members will in turn invite you to other communities.
I agree that if you get to know people, you will, sooner or later, get an invite that you much desire, and that trackers are sick of invite sellers and traders. But, a lot of people aren't willing to go through all the effort of going on IRC, making friends, and then getting an invite. Look at Houssam for example. He's done a lot of giveaways, got 80 rep, but yet he still isn't in SCT, HDBits, or Elektronic, the ones that he wants, so he's resorted to trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtemisI understand the reasons why some trade, and there are those who do trade in exactly the way you describe, but my main objection with trading is that this currency has unscrupulous 'stockbrokers' that simply trade for the sake of trading.There are many examples here at this forum 4pirates and bakkouka are two that come to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by colyu
Then of course trading is the thin end of the wedge, with trading comes all the scams and of course invite selling, there are even auction sites around where people bid on invites or accounts.Without trading there would be none of the scamming that goes on around here and at other similar forums and the scammers would be out of a hobby. Just like there are those who say they simply want to barter their invites to get into 'higher level' trackers there are those who are here for the rip, to get one over on others whether it is to get something which has a higher value or simply to take acounts from unwary n00bs who don't know that the trading process has consequences. You only have to look at the threads every couple of days to see the omg someone stole my account threads to realise just how often this happens.
Finally it is a complete fallacy that the only way to get into high level trackers is by trading. Many of these websites have closed membership and only invite on staff approval simply because they are sick and tired of having invites to the site traded, so it is trading itself which makes joining these sites more difficult. Many of the staff of these trackers are here and at other forums as well and invite users as they get to know them. All trackers want new members even the 'high level' ones, so very simply if you post and and chat in irc you will interact with other members who get to know you these same members will in turn invite you to other communities.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that while giving away is the best option, as you said to avoid scamming, at a place like FST, the only way to get into SCT, E*** etc. is to trade. The best a person will get at FST by giving away is probably What.CD, or maybe HDbits.
lol, thats news to me. i didnt even do the whole rep thing and tons of public giveaways, i was just active and expressed my opinions(which made it clear i am against trading and i do give invites away, just usually in private when i find a person that seems deserving) and while i dont want to mention any trackers since they dont want their name thrown around you can see 1 obvious tracker that i am a part of, and yes, i got it through fst and from a fucking admin of all people. if you trade because you think its the only way into high level trackers then there are 2 problems i see, you're wrong about what you think, and you care way too much about a shitty level system. talk to friends about sites and if they say you'd like it, go for it, but dont try to get it just because its uber 1337 level X.Quote:
Originally Posted by colyu
The problem with your statement colyu is that you fail to understand certain things.Quote:
Originally Posted by colyu
You assume that people are stupid and can't differentiate between the sincere and the self-servicing as in types like Houssam whose generosity really only extends only as far as it benefits them.
You also wrongly assume that just because a tracker is higher on that precious "what trackers are worth list" it is somehow intrinsically better than all beneath it.
But your biggest mistake is that you wrongly assume that making friends is somehow a chore and nothing more than a means to your questionable goals.
Firstly, I never said that making friends was a chore. I've met many people online who I would consider real-life friends, not just half hearted online friends.
Also, I never said, and I hope never implied, that a higher level tracker is better than a lower one. I have been nothing but satisfied with TL and TTi, and have never truly wanted an SCT invite. That is one of the major downfalls of FST that I see, and one that I try to avoid. Some people (I'm not saying most this time) believe that just because a tracker is higher level than an another one, its somehow better. Its not.
The only reason I said...
...is that it just seems to me that FST is a futile place to gain a tracker such as BitmeTV or SCT. Of course, aysomc proves the exception, but I do wonder how many people are fortunate like him.Quote:
I guess what I'm trying to say is that while giving away is the best option, as you said to avoid scamming, at a place like FST, the only way to get into SCT, E*** etc. is to trade. The best a person will get at FST by giving away is probably What.CD, or maybe HDbits.
a lot are, but many of them get what they need and move on. or if they're anything like me they've been told by a lot of people that fst is a waste of time. that becomes truer by the day it seems but i still find some good people here from time to time and help them so for now ill be sticking around. i think they made a huge mistake by removing the community reps, since then it has slowly turned into a bunch of faggoty drama and retards that cant use the search function.
Well CR are still here, we just have not got any stars like before.
I think the main problem is, New Members cant PM anyone, never mind CR, so they bring it into the forums, yeah they cant read, or make 1000 new threads (so that doesnt mean they would have PMed the CR anyway i suppose lol) but a better chance back then, than now, saying as though they cant.
as for (invite) trading, it has its place, and invite forums, are not the places.
its not so much it goes on, its more the fact of where it goes on.
I've stopped offering invites here, unless I find someone really worthy of an invite. Only SPU's/Elites at the various trackers I use regularly get my invites, as they're the only people I can trust.
it seemed like back when com reps had their stars though they were more active and actually gave a fuck. now it seems like only a few of you even bother posting here anymore.
Off topic rant here, but...
You see many people here requesting invites, saying they're great members at other trackers, and their request isn't being fulfilled. Take for example, What.CD. I personally see requests for it very often. Why don't the "good members" take an invite to Stmusic, become power user there, and then get the free invite? Or why don't they just go through the IRC invite system? Were they banned before? Do they not have the knowledge to get into What.CD? IMO, if they can't do either of these options, they do not deserve an account. They don't show the dedication needed to become a useful user at What. What respectful torrenter needs a giveaway if they can just do one of the two options?
/End rant at useless noobs at FST.
I've been a What user for about a year and I had no idea they offered invites through irc or Stmusic. I don't agree that people don't deserve an account because they lack the information to get a legitimate one (i.e. not through the trade forums).Quote:
You see many people here requesting invites, saying they're great members at other trackers, and their request isn't being fulfilled. Take for example, What.CD. I personally see requests for it very often. Why don't the "good members" take an invite to Stmusic, become power user there, and then get the free invite? Or why don't they just go through the IRC invite system? Were they banned before? Do they not have the knowledge to get into What.CD? IMO, if they can't do either of these options, they do not deserve an account. They don't show the dedication needed to become a useful user at What. What respectful torrenter needs a giveaway if they can just do one of the two options?
Under most circumstances I'm against trading invitations, but I can think of at least one situation where a trade would be okay.
That's about the only thing I still visit FST for :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by aysomc
:lol::lol::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by DismeThat's about the only thing I still visit FST for :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by aysomc