No they got his PC from his house, his workplace and his dads PC in Manchester i think it was.
The actual servers were on leaseweb hence why most, but not all trackers that were on leaseweb, upped and left sharpish.
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No they got his PC from his house, his workplace and his dads PC in Manchester i think it was.
The actual servers were on leaseweb hence why most, but not all trackers that were on leaseweb, upped and left sharpish.
The bottom line is always money.
Poeple like to think that they have free will.
But they always choose the house in their budget.
They always choose the cheapest hotel in their price range.
We like to think that service matters.
But it's always the bottom line.
The green back.
Most people don't want to realize this. It's always about money. Not everyone is stupid enough to waste all this time in here without getting anything out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeyicious
Sct/btmtv/tl are one of the smart ones taking advantage of this. I remember BCG tried the GB Bonus System once also, but i think they got rid of it after a while. Not such a good move business wise imo. You guys should implement that in BCG again.
But isnt the fact that we can survive without Gigs for £s testimount for something.
and no it wont be coming back, i dont agree with it at all, and we used to have it because we had nothing else.
I also always think to myself, they must try and make money out of this. I find it hard to believe that there are many people who puts a lot of effort and hours into maintaining a tracker and risk without getting something for it. Bottom line there must be something there for them to keep on going. Unless u tell me you are multi milllionaires so dont need the money to live.
I believe that BCG can survive without the "Gigs for money", it's been alive quite well so far. But it's not smart not to have it. Other trackers are profiting like crazy out there. It wouldn't be fair to one of the best Dedicated trackers out there not to get a little something also.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Reason I still do it
Life would be boring without it
The Staff that have put countless hours in for 0
The Donators from the past and present, that have kept us alive and going
The members that have leeched and seeded
The members that actually care about us (which is not many, but there are some)
The Uploaders that have kept us topped up with torrents.
it has got nothing to do with money.
I disagree with this. None of the people that I know that are really into bittorrent (and I mean, coders/big uploaders) like any of the Pay2Leech sites. Sometimes unfortunately there is no choice but to use one...Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidMost people don't want to realize this. It's always about money. Not everyone is stupid enough to waste all this time in here without getting anything out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeyicious
Sct/btmtv/tl are one of the smart ones taking advantage of this. I remember BCG tried the GB Bonus System once also, but i think they got rid of it after a while. Not such a good move business wise imo. You guys should implement that in BCG again.
Also, people seem to think that it's a requirement and that donations don't bring in enough cash, but that's complete bullshit. Large sites easily get enough donations for really expensive servers, and so on...
The owners of some of the largest P2L sites are blatantly making 100s of thousands, and I believe that sooner or later the police are going to go after them... Honestly, running a site in a for-profit way is just insane.
Don't worry.. Soon enough they will be. just give them some timeQuote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
Don't be an idiot. I'm talking about the old-school bit-torrenters (and the technologically aware) that are just here to share. I'm really not a fan of the business-minded posers that have sprung up over the last couple of years, and lots of people aren't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidDon't worry.. Soon enough they will be. just give them some timeQuote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
Still TL is a very decent tracker
Amazing speeds and easy to seed, and this is a hard combination
Also, they have some complete seasons that are still seeded for more than two years
They do not force u to donate, and invites are still given to non donors
Very few downtimes, fast servers
They may be after the money, but its harmeless to users
I think TL is one of the best trackers out there
lol, no disrespect, but those "old-school" torrenters must be the "idiots". No1 was more old-skool than the Scene members back in the day, and look where they ended up....A pay2leach ftp site.Quote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
If your friends aren't make money via donations etc, they are probably making money by doing something else bittorrent-related, like reselling seedboxes etc...And if they aren't doing that either, then they must be some stupid lowlifes who don't have a business sense at all. Im not saying all should behave this way, but it doesn't hurt to profit from this bittorrent anti-trading BS..
you're pretty confident about stuff you don't seem to have a clue about :).. do you actually think that the scene in general are pay2leech sites? is that why they are exposing p2l sites to RIAA/MPAA etc. every once in a while to get rid of them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kidlol, no disrespect, but those "old-school" torrenters must be the "idiots". No1 was more old-skool than the Scene members back in the day, and look where they ended up....A pay2leach ftp siteQuote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
you shouldn't generalize the way you do.
well think about it, it could be started up as a sort of hobby, or interest. a lot of things we do in life our solely for enjoyment, such as the collection of cards (or whatever floats your boat). Starting/running a tracker would doubtlessly be hard work but ultimatly bring enjoyment (provided the site isnt a failure). It is something to work on, to build, like your own project, which people will give you feedback on (basically if your site is the dog's bollocks or a pile of piss) so, i do not think many people are in it mainly for the money, of course you had that crazy bitch running vortex-network, and there will always be accusations at sct for being a p2l site, but, its their site, let them charge what they want.. ..sct i would say is an extremely demanded site so maybe also the price tag cuts down on the amount of users coming in, makes people think twice about who they invite :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Villalltheway
And you don't think they are exposing other p2leech sites out of interest???Quote:
Originally Posted by danio
I am hurt you just called me a stupid lowlife.Quote:
And if they aren't doing that either, then they must be some stupid lowlifes who don't have a business sense at all
For me it started out because i was lazy, and couldnt be bothered to go to 20 sites to get a game for my kids, i have never once thought of it as a "business". I would be scared shitless if i was making 1000`s on this, i am pretty paranoid anyway, but making lots of cash i would be fit for taking away, in a straight jacket lol
ehh sorry for the double-post, but do you know anyone that is an "old-school torrenter"? they are all about sharing, also pay2leach is nothing to do with sceners tbh, so i wouldnt tar them with the same brush as that :dabs: please know what you are talking about before you actually talk about it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kidlol, no disrespect, but those "old-school" torrenters must be the "idiots". No1 was more old-skool than the Scene members back in the day, and look where they ended up....A pay2leach ftp site.Quote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
If your friends aren't make money via donations etc, they are probably making money by doing something else bittorrent-related, like reselling seedboxes etc...And if they aren't doing that either, then they must be some stupid lowlifes who don't have a business sense at all. Im not saying all should behave this way, but it doesn't hurt to profit from this bittorrent anti-trading BS..
they expose p2l sites because of poor security, they are like gateways to the scene, that is why ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidAnd you don't think they are exposing other p2leech sites out of interest???Quote:
Originally Posted by danio
lol stoi i didn't mean it that way.. You are one of the few that I didn't include in that sentence. ofcourse there's some that do it for the love of sharing. But most of them do it for the dough. There's plenty of p2leech harcore sites to prove thisQuote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Um...Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kidlol, no disrespect, but those "old-school" torrenters must be the "idiots". No1 was more old-skool than the Scene members back in the day, and look where they ended up....A pay2leach ftp site.Quote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
If your friends aren't make money via donations etc, they are probably making money by doing something else bittorrent-related, like reselling seedboxes etc...And if they aren't doing that either, then they must be some stupid lowlifes who don't have a business sense at all. Im not saying all should behave this way, but it doesn't hurt to profit from this bittorrent anti-trading BS..
You're so wrong it's funny. Last I heard many scene groups refused to affil with P2P/P2L ridden servers... Wasn't being P2L reason for a sceneban? lol.
And, lol, no disrespect, but what do you really know? You're a newbie that spends a huge amount of time hanging out on FST. Most sharing sites wouldn't want to touch you with a bargepole, let alone the real scene...
The fact I'm trying to say is that if all you can bring to the table is money, you do not really matter. Eventually somebody else is going to show a little bit of skill and you'll be gone.
Alright, lets seperate what we have heard from what we have seen..
Recently I just witnessed a site owner go ballistic because the donation amount didn't cover the server costs for that month. He even threatened to shut the site down if this continued to keep going. A few days before that, I found out that this same person is a seedbox reseller. I bet a few months from now, if his site picked up well, he would do become a p2leech kind of person as well. That's how it starts. "Let's do it for the community" then "Where is my fukin money"
Most people probably thought the same about him."Oh he's just a hardcore old-skool bittorrent fan who juts does it for the love" but turned out he wasn't. not everyone seems to be who they say they are or who you think they are.
And wtf do you know?? You're probably the only one who hangs out 24/7 uploading and discussing about bitorrenting, while your friends are out there making loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by lhnz
Sure sure. There are plenty of people that are just in it for the money, but I'm just saying, that there are plenty of really nice guys that I've met that literally just do it for fun (because they're doing it for fun, they're also a hell of a lot more caring/active)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
If you look at this way, most people are squeamish about making money off it. It's a bad topic and most really hate it. Isn't that enough proof that it's not considered acceptable?
That is possible, but I doubt it. Most small sites lose money. Big sites that rely on just donations make a little bit more money than they need, but normally spend the extra money on servers/equipment/etc.. - they could potentially pocket the money, but honestly things are tight and they'd probably need to spend it eventually to upgrade. It's the large Pay-2-Leech sites that really rake it in...Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
You're correct that I'm probably way to nice about what others intentions are, but I am unlikely to be the only one anti making money off torrents...
I think most people caught up in the bittorrent world have selfish intentions, but thats just my opinion. i alsio believe there are those who do it for the love and because they care, but unfortunately those are the few of the crowd.
I don't have no proof on this so i guess you can call it non-exceptable, but that doesn't change the fact that these kind of people really do exist, and they are the majority.
simple answer... no!Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidAnd you don't think they are exposing other p2leech sites out of interest???Quote:
Originally Posted by danio
i don't know what information you have but i know for a fact that you're wrong (atleast to some extent, i know).. you're generalization is false
What?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
People who steal are selfish?
No way...
Us pirates are a sharing caring bunch.....as long as you don't ask us to pay :lol:
* NOTE: sarcasm used in this post
Stealing is different from Piracy
check here it'll show ya-
http://i.justrealized.com/media/2008...andy-guide.jpg
as long as they r using money for the tracker who cares
Take a look at our fellow p2pshare lovers..... http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...scammer-332769
As long as the content doesn't change they can start spamming me bitsoup style for all I care.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Really, I think you need to re-evaluate your opinions. Never in all my time at FST have I read so much bullshit in one thread from one person.
To say you're cynical (and naive) in the extreme would be putting it mildly.
You really haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
^To you it might be bullshit because you haven't been through enough fucked up and disappointing situations, therefore you are the naive one.
Have you ever seen or heard tracker staff not disabling a trader for the sake of being a donor?? What about staff being traders and invite sellers themselves? What about respected guys playing double roles, good guys and then soon to be exposed as big time traders and sellers....
I'm guessing you haven't been through any of this shit, and to you this kind of discussions might sound ridiculous.
If you witnessed any of this stuff, and you still believe that everyone in the torrend world is a saint..., than you are delusional
Plus there's more ways then you know to make money of this Bitorrent thing, which im not willing to talk about in here. But someone smart knows how to profit without getting in trouble, nor building a bed reputation on themselves.
No one says u need to donate. Why not be like most people and bookmark broswe.php, you will never see the announcements.
Most people are there for content and do not give a flying shit about anything esle. I dontated when I first joine, will I donate again? No.
Seriously, who cares? If you owned TL, you would try to get as much money as u can, after all, you do not need to provide TL with anyting and look what you get for being a member.
If you dont like the way TL or Sct is going you have 2 options.
1st give ou delete your accounts
2nd build and run your own tracker and we will talk in a few months...
Seriously people have no idea wht it takes to run a decent tracker.
Ok sct is making some money with invites and tl with pub.Everything is a bizness now a days.
So get over it.
I actually stoped playing travian.Damm addicting gamelol
Probably the only tracker where I have browse.php bookmarked (out of 6 or 7 I have). I don't care how they get their money, it's a great tracker and it suits a part of my torrent needs perfectly.
HAHA I get it :shutup:Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinsert
If TL kept its current level of content, speed, I don't care
Don't care as long as the site doesn't change.
everything they do they make for profit ;)
the entire thing is for profit. get adblocker, stop reading their stupid news page, and just focus on their downloads. the only thing you should be worried about is your ip being handed over to authorities when they're taken down.
Or your username/password being taken, and them logging in to your other torrent site accounts to sell them on eBay...Quote:
Originally Posted by integral
I wouldn't put it past them.
Well, if you use the same password on every torrent site, one could argue you deserve it! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by lhnzOr your username/password being taken, and them logging in to your other torrent site accounts to sell them on eBay...Quote:
Originally Posted by integral
I wouldn't put it past them.