An easy way to boost your private tracker ratio!

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may i suggest the trashbin ???

My first thought.

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Originally Posted by jasperr

and no matter how you try to rationalize this.. it's still not a acceptable to tracker staff/owners and certainly not fair to the people who actually bring in the torrents to the sites in the first place..

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You say preseeding isn't acceptable to tracker staff/owners, but I happen to know many tracker staff/owners that actually do it and promote it, so who are you speaking for?

I am not going to try and explain to you how preseeding isn't a bad thing as I already tried in vain in my previous posts.

It is pretty obvious that your idea that

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Originally Posted by jasperr

doing this takes away from the uploaders hard work/resources/money and robs them of their efforts.

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is based on nothing. :frusty:

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Originally Posted by jasperr

seems to me like you should stick with public trackers.. cause with your current position.. your heading for lots of bans if you make that a chronic habit ;)......

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So I should get banned from trackers because I preseed? :dry:

Again, no need to point out how this doesn't make any sense :noes:

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Originally Posted by KFlint

you can copy the files to seed them on both trackers (maybe not even necessary to copy. i don't remember)

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Yes that's an interesting idea, you might be able to seed a file to 2 trackers at the same time if you copy the announce adresses and pass keys to the preferences of the torrent.

That's something I haven't done though and it might be impossible, has anybody ever tried something like that?

:w00t: Wow... after Cristopher Columbus, the biggest discoverer.
Hats off!

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

You say preseeding isn't acceptable to tracker staff/owners, but I happen to know many tracker staff/owners that actually do it and promote it, so who are you speaking for?

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well then, i suggest you stay with them trackers that you're so happy with..

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

I am not going to try and explain to you how preseeding isn't a bad thing as I already tried in vain in my previous posts.

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then don't....

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

It is pretty obvious that your idea that

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Originally Posted by jasperr

doing this takes away from the uploaders hard work/resources/money and robs them of their efforts.

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is based on nothing. :frusty:

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well, i'm not about to break out the pie charts and specific stats on this, if thats what you really want :frusty:

i can tell you from personal experience and from speaking with dedicated uploaders from many trackers, and this kind of thing discourages them from making efforts to get them torrents up... and what? you do not think people spend good amounts of money, time and effort to upload to trackers... are you that ignorant?? your arrogance is disgusting on the matter.. the fact you you dismiss peoples efforts like you obviously do is really appauling .

now, you gonna tell me agian what i'm saying is based on nothing??

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

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Originally Posted by jasperr

seems to me like you should stick with public trackers.. cause with your current position.. your heading for lots of bans if you make that a chronic habit ;)......

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So I should get banned from trackers because I preseed? :dry:

Again, no need to point out how this doesn't make any sense :noes:

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yes thats exactly what i'm saying ....... but as i stated before you must be way to ignorant to be able to grasp that fact


but anyways dude.... i'm done with this thread and with you... go on with your patheic exsistance and play with your dolls....

The main problem of "preseeding" in my opinion is if MANY persons do it (40, 50 ...) will be almost impossible to seed back what is leeched.
But the bt community will soon prepare tougher rules against the "preseeding"

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Originally Posted by jasperr

this practice is also known as pre-seeding .... which most trackers do not have rules against.. but, its really frowned upon.. personally, i feel its a cheat on the tracker.. many trackers have uploaders that work hard to make sure a tracker has the the new releases up as fast as they can.. note: not all trackers have auto uploaders.. with that said, doing this takes away from the uploaders hard work/resources/money and robs them of their efforts... it discourages them from wanting to upload anyfurther, which hurts the tracker in the end... and for what?? so some lazy person can make their e-penis grow?? thats one of my pet peives! and you really must be a lamer to think you have to do this.. all it shows is that your a lazy torrenter!

doesn't matter if you have a slow connection.. thats an excuse not a reason as many, many users of tracker can get good ratios by seeding normally.. it might take a bit longer.. but, its absolutely doable.. besides the fact that most tracker now-a-days have FL, Ratio Free, bonuses, ect.. to help their users with ratio if they need help.. if a users can't be bothered with taking advantage of those things proivided.. they have no business using trackers... for lack of common sense!

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You have said as I think almost exactly. If there are 400 leechers and one seeder I can see this being a viable thing to do, as the swarm obvioulsy need assistance, but if you are making this effort for the intention of buffering, then bleh.

To get good ratios on sites there is a tried and true method that has NEVER ONCE FAILED ME, seed.

easier way will be to download and seed an episode of a popular series such as Lost House Heroes etc
ofc when they come out

I love to hop on scene releases on what and waffles and rape the poor guys without seedboxes. they'll be uploading at 25KB and bam, I've practically stolen all their upload ratio by uploading 10x as much as them by the time the first leech completes.

lol, some of you take this stuff too seriously.

Jasper:

I'm happy to hear you're leaving this thread as we all saw you had a hard time behaving as a civilized grown up.

I'm however going to ignore your disrespect for the sake of the tread.
I think we can both agree on one thing, which is the fact that we disagree on this preseeding matter.


Now Back to topic ;)

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Originally Posted by pig098

easier way will be to download and seed an episode of a popular series such as Lost House Heroes etc
ofc when they come out

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Yes that is indeed a very good way to buffer your account, and preseeding can help you bypass the wait times on some trackers, which can be very rewarding :happy:

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Originally Posted by KFlint

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

You suggest hit n' run in the first site to seed at the second.

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you can copy the files to seed them on both trackers (maybe not even necessary to copy. i don't remember)

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i know that. but what he defended was not seeding on the first one, removing immediately the torrent.
it's a hit n' run. he even defended it later.

@OP: Stoi is a sysop of one of the major trackers in the scene, so we can both assume he has some kind of knowledge about what he is saying. I don't consider myself a noob too, i've been around ... a bit :whistling
but your "technique" is a joke, and though it can pass discretely at some trackers that do not give a shit on hit n' runs, if you ever get invited to a smaller one (which, after such a thread, i doubt it will happen easily), you will see that if you hit n' run there, you won't last long.

The way he had written the post in big letters, I thought this is a new techinique.

But, alas. :(

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Originally Posted by lysine

I love to hop on scene releases on what and waffles and rape the poor guys without seedboxes. they'll be uploading at 25KB and bam, I've practically stolen all their upload ratio by uploading 10x as much as them by the time the first leech completes.

lol, some of you take this stuff too seriously.

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not much friendly to the sense of "sharing" I would say. :frusty:

I guess you have a really buffered account and your ratio going to the sky for 'what'? In the end you 'pay' for seedbox just to make your ego grows (in most cases), while others don't use it and still have access to the same files as you do.

Ironically you say that we take it too seriously? You're the one with the seedbox :mellow:

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

Now Back to topic ;)

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Man, you should know when to stop. :unsure:

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Originally Posted by lysine

I love to hop on scene releases on what and waffles and rape the poor guys without seedboxes. they'll be uploading at 25KB and bam, I've practically stolen all their upload ratio by uploading 10x as much as them by the time the first leech completes.

lol, some of you take this stuff too seriously.

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LOL of course we take this stuff too seriously... rather than pay a stupid seedbox, I'd spend my sweaty money on drinks, drugs and sex :whistling


Now back to topic, where are the news here?

i have been doing this trick for months,thanks for sharing it in a good spirit

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Originally Posted by 7th

not much friendly to the sense of "sharing" I would say. :frusty:

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the simple solution to that problem would be to rip and upload your own discs. if you're uploading something that other people have access to, some of them are going to seed it with you.

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I guess you have a really buffered account and your ratio going to the sky for 'what'?

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can't reach TorrentMaster on what without 500GB uploaded.

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Originally Posted by 7th

Ironically you say that we take it too seriously? You're the one with the seedbox :mellow:

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try being stuck with a 512kbps/128kbps connection and see if you would use one...

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

but your "technique" is a joke, and though it can pass discretely at some trackers that do not give a shit on hit n' runs, if you ever get invited to a smaller one (which, after such a thread, i doubt it will happen easily), you will see that if you hit n' run there, you won't last long.

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Outside seeding doesn't necessarily imply hit and run.
You can seed the file back to the tracker before seeding it elsewhere, like advised RizKhan25000, or seed it back to tracker after seeding it elsewhere. You might even be able to seed it to both trackers at once, I'll try that later and probably edit the original post.
Has anyone ever tried doing that?
I'd like to hear some feedback on this. I'm thinking there might be different ways to do it. It could maybe even be possible to merge both trackers in the torrent in your client by having both passkeys and tracker announce adresses in it, but I might be wrong.

Tbh I have done a couple hit and runs here and there, I try not to as much as I can, but I don't get a guilty conscience from it either.
Seriously, if your ratio is positive on the tracker, you are already giving back to the community more than you are taking from it.
Think about it, if everyone has a good ratio on the tracker, then hit and runs don't matter...
I'm not going to promote hit and runs, but I really don't think they're that big of a deal either, and many trackers agree since they allow them.

Having a good ratio is what's really important here, and preseeding let's you do that.

I really think you should look at it from a different angle, instead of looking for the negative here.

For what it's worth, I really made this thread with good intentions, to help people share more actively and keep a good ratio. Again, I really think preseeding can be a good thing, and some of you have been very agressive here trying to destroy this thread with negativity, which I really think is uncalled for. You have a right not to agree, but why be angry or mean about it? It's not very constructive... :unsure:

I'd also really be interested in knowing if anybody ever succeeded in seeding a file to 2 different trackers at the same time, so I can edit the original post. :)

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Originally Posted by raghuveer

i have been doing this trick for months,thanks for sharing it in a good spirit

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You're welcome! :happy:


A good day to all,

H.

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

I'd also really be interested in knowing if anybody ever succeeded in seeding a file to 2 different trackers at the same time, so I can edit the original post. :)

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For sure you can you'll have a torrent file for each of the trackers you want to seed on and they'll be pointing to the same source file on your hdd

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

I'd also really be interested in knowing if anybody ever succeeded in seeding a file to 2 different trackers at the same time, so I can edit the original post. :)

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I'm seeding the same file at 4 different trackers ATM, simultaneously.
you clearly should read around here a bit more before trying to post advice.
i don't question if your intentions were good or bad, but it's just plain wrong, being done the way you defended.
Which was, i will summarise:

a) download torrent from site A
b) stop and delete torrent from site A
c) download .torrent from site B and seed those files

meaning hit n' run site A for the benefit of site B.

you ask me: do you agree? i say: hell no. It's plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by hoodeh

I'd also really be interested in knowing if anybody ever succeeded in seeding a file to 2 different trackers at the same time, so I can edit the original post. :)

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For sure you can you'll have a torrent file for each of the trackers you want to seed on and they'll be pointing to the same source file on your hdd

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Yeah for some reason I always thought it would screw something up or not work properly. Well this gets rid of the hit and run issue :)
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Originally Posted by Cabalo

a) download torrent from site A
b) stop and delete torrent from site A
c) download .torrent from site B and seed those files

meaning hit n' run site A for the benefit of site B.

you ask me: do you agree? i say: hell no. It's plain wrong.

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I edited the original post. I think it doesn't have to be that bad though if it's done temporarily, that is by saving the hit and run later(see the post)

this is a technique that almost everyone here has used in some form or another - usuallly without H&R - and if they say they haven't then i would say they are lying.

i don't believe in hit and running and never do. when i had poor upload speed 90kbps. what ever i downloaded from one tracker usually tl i would also seed at all other tracker that had the same torrent. as i usually seed each torrent for at least a couple of months more often than not i would seed 1:1 on the original tracker and boost ratio on the others.

the best way to boost ratio is to be patient and seed seed seed for as long as possible

I apologize for my outburst earlier.

But my point still stands, if you are doing it just for your e-penis ratio its wrong.

If you are doing it to help the seeders and the leechers then great, i dont care about it, that is why we will never stop it, because it can be a help, but if you are only doing it for the 1st reason, then to me you may as well not do it at all.

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Originally Posted by stoi

I apologize for my outburst earlier.

But my point still stands, if you are doing it just for your e-penis ratio its wrong.

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i dont think most people try to improve their ratio for e-penis. its a fact that if you have poor ratio you get banned. there are some staff at certain trackers that love to ban members. Going on some irc's and saying "sorry about the crap ratio but my but i have a poor connection i have done my best and given what i can to the community" would be met with tough p1ss off, bye.

i welcome any techniques to improve ratio - just this one was a little obvoius and promoted h&r which is wrong

But if you have a shit upload, then what is the point of trying to help 50 seedbox members doing it.

you still wont upload sod all.

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Originally Posted by stoi

But if you have a shit upload, then what is the point of trying to help 50 seedbox members doing it.

you still wont upload sod all.

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thats the problem seedboxes. maybe all trackers should be like dididave where they ban known seed box ips and you need permission and a good reason to use one

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that is the silliest thing i have heard, well its not, if they want to stop cheaters, but if they do it to stop seedboxes its daft.

Without seedboxes there is no speed, it is that simple really.

A torrent with 3 seedbox members on it as the only seeds, and 200 leechers, will go faster than a torrent with 5000 home connection members on it and 10,000 leechers, just because you can only connect to 50 seeders and leechers per torrent, so the chances of getting a fast uploader on the 2nd torrent are slim.

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Originally Posted by stoi

that is the silliest thing i have heard, well its not, if they want to stop cheaters, but if they do it to stop seedboxes its daft.

Without seedboxes there is no speed, it is that simple really.

A torrent with 3 seedbox members on it as the only seeds, and 200 leechers, will go faster than a torrent with 5000 home connection members on it and 10,000 leechers, just because you can only connect to 50 seeders and leechers per torrent, so the chances of getting a fast uploader on the 2nd torrent are slim.

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Voilà! Now we're talking about good use of seedboxes. Uploading team using seedboxes is not only normal but also necessary and we love it! :happy:

But people having seed box just for the sake of their ratio... :frusty:

I don't think too many seedbox r good for track. What about home connection members? Right, your download speed is very fast. Then how can you seed back too keep good ratio? You have to think carefully to download anything.
Look at some sites, only have 1 or 2 seeds but no leecher. I just can't see any good for the track.

thats why you have a system that rewards how long you keep seeding

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Originally Posted by sksksk1

I don't think too many seedbox r good for track. What about home connection members? Right, your download speed is very fast. Then how can you seed back too keep good ratio? You have to think carefully to download anything.
Look at some sites, only have 1 or 2 seeds but no leecher. I just can't see any good for the track.

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Seedboxers only seed new stuff for few days, that´s why we get awesome speeds in new releases, then it´s the turn for regular users to do their part of the job, it´s only required patience, enough space in discs... and the will for sharing.

thx man

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

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Originally Posted by sksksk1

I don't think too many seedbox r good for track. What about home connection members? Right, your download speed is very fast. Then how can you seed back too keep good ratio? You have to think carefully to download anything.
Look at some sites, only have 1 or 2 seeds but no leecher. I just can't see any good for the track.

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Seedboxers only seed new stuff for few days, that´s why we get awesome speeds in new releases, then it´s the turn for regular users to do their part of the job, it´s only required patience, enough space in discs... and the will for sharing.

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I have a decent home connection no seedbox and I rarely have used this technique to increase my ratio. I have uploaded new material, Downloaded freeleech items, and or seeded for weeks to get my ratio to where I wanted it to be. There is many ways to increase ones ratio if one is willing to do it the right way.

The easiest way to get good ratio if you have a slow line (like mine is) is to have a large HDD and seed over a long time.

I don't like this idea. I have been guilty of doing so in the past well actually with some other nick :shutup:...

The most optimal method for a good ethical torrenter is to download a torrent and then let it seed upto it get around at most 150%. It is important to seed back but it is equally important to not overseed. People with good connections can really kill the normal home users with average connections, by doing so.

Let yourself be in a postion to seed a 20 GB torrent to 3 leechers.. your goal is to atleast seed it back 1:1. and suddenly someone with a upload speed several time more than you start seeding and satisfy all the three leechers in no time. Well he would certainly have improved his statistics. But he would have left you and the additional 3 leechers now seeders to look for more leechers and it can be impossible at times..

Well it is an extreme case but it was necessary to make you understand that seeding back is important but only to the limit it is justified. And here you are actually proposing seeding without any downloading at all to a tracker.

I just hope there would be rules soon to cap the seeding ratio to 150% at the most so that people like you and me would not be able to make it hard for others mostly home users to seed back what they downloaded.

I again repeat my method of preserving your ratio that to be member of at least two trackers. Download from both the trackers but when you notice that your ratio is going down on a particular tracker stop all downloads there and let it on seed only. In the meanwhile download from the other tracker. And don't let your ratio go down a certain limit on any tracker. As soon as you notice your ratio going down a bit on a certain tracker be on alert and stop all downloads and let it on seed only. It is natural way and you would not have to use artificial methods like preseeding . Also don't try to overseed just around 150% is enough and good.