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is this about trading or about BCG ? Get back on track....Yes Close this see what happens I'm sure that most of the usual traders will move to another place thats open for trading .
Another thing that should dissapear with the trading section is the "level's"
How is it about BCG, its about trading if you read all the posts, idiot (and i dont give a shite if i get another infraction, some members on here are just fucking wankers)
Then whats this about isn't it about BCG ?:frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Chill out
well he is saying what we should do, i was replying that is what we do and we still get wankers.
Stoi everytime there's a discussion about Bcg and someone confronts you, you always resort to calling them wankers etc.. Maybe you shouldn't spend this much time here if you dislike the userbase so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
It's understandable that you were replying to shalafi's post and it wasn't you who took the topic off track, but you also have to understand that this is a delicate topic and you can't blame most members for wanting to stick to the "Do you think Fst should get rid of the Trading Section" discussion.
Well maybe i should do as you say.
Where are the staff from all the other trackers in this thread, non existent, so maybe i should take a leaf out of their book and just stay the fuck away from this place.
no other tracker gives a shit about it, so why should I.
Yes please get rid of it.Yes please get rid of it.Yes please get rid of it.
But i don't think FST will be as much popular then :?
No offence,this guy is always flaunting arrogance,i think he is bcg-owner right :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
I agree. And the funny thing is that you can't blame them for not giving a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
I mean, when you have staff playing games and acting like they dislike trading and are thinking about getting rid of the trading section, and then end up locking the thread and forgetting that a huge discussion even took place...Then how do you expect anyone to take Fst seriously.
Cmon now. There are other ways and topics to get the activity going in here. There's no need to open up such a thread. Trading has been discussed many times and we all know everyone's POV already. Matter fact in the last "Should we remove the trading section POLL" thread everything was discussed. There was no need for this one(unless you really are thinking about removing the trading section which i seriously doubt).
arrogance lol
whatever
and yes i am BCG owner, what of it?
Voted yes. This would be a better place if it didn't incite people into breaking other sites' rules. However...
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Originally Posted by Polarbear
i don't trade but this forum is known as the main place for traders thruout the bittorrent community so it would make little sense to get rid of it
erm yes :happy:
im quite new to this site and im quite new to private trackers :unsure:
i got accounts on some trackers but never mentioned that they would close their invitation anywhen or kick me or something like that... so i though always tried to do what rules tell me to do :ermm:
and ive been an strong leecher/upper in sft communities ... also leeched a while in xdcc and others ...
so my fav was always in searching and getting.
Got no matter for me: torrent/sft/filehoster/dcc/newsgroup :dabs:
but what i was always searching for... TOPLISTS!!! all day in and out
and i found out these communities i found in toplists (even if they were baords/pages/fastklickers) all of EM liked to be known, used, and to be in great demand!
now i entered :fst: and on my first view... i liked it!
you guys do all the things for people like me ... you tell me whats the best tracker for music/videos/software everything i like. you tell me how much user each of them got, you tell me what about fileamount, and and and...
So i thought in my opinion I want this one, and this , and a bit of this...
but fastly found out: they dont want me ^^
this propagation thing is what the most bittorrent site staffs dont dont dont dont dont want... (excluding BCG :yup: ) !!to be popular!!
but who cares :fst: none of you, you populate them anyway ...
so if im on the right track... :shutup:
whats the problem on trading and breaking another rule with it ?
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sry 4 my bit strange sounding english ^^
I am not sure what exactly that means lolQuote:
but fastly found out: they dont want me ^^
this propagation thing is what the most bittorrent site staffs dont dont dont dont dont want... (excluding BCG ) !!to be popular!!
but the reason i post here, and yes, sometimes my opinions are a bit, hmm how can i put this, outspoken, is to believe it or not, try to educate/get our points across to yes, the noobs before they get drawn into the, Must trade to get what you want attitude, FST says its ok to trade, so it must be OK to trade etc etc
I try to speak for most trackers, in other words, not just mine, obviously some trackers do not agree with my points, but i do try to not be about BCG all the bloody time. It tends to be others that bring BCG into threads, because i am the owner of BCG, so they just automatically associate me with BCG, when my general point is all or at least some trackers out there, not just BCG.
This is why i get pissed off, just because i am posting something about trading, does not mean i am just talking about BCG, but it sems to always come back that way and haunt me.
Most tracker staff hate this place with a passion, at least i am here trying, but by the looks of it, most members would prefer all tracker staff to stay the fuck away from here, and not get involved at all.
fine, whatever, but we cant win, if i just leave now, ppl that do want help will say how can i get in touch with BCG staff, only way will be via our IRC, at least i give them an extra branch to contact (or hit) us with lol
Do i want us on the WTAW, NO, Do i want to be popular, NO, do i care what people think about BCG, Not really, do i care what other trackers do or think, Definitely not, as in it wont sway my decision at all what they say. all i want is a good site for the members that are part of it, not a good site that members are clamouring to get into and will sell their right testicle to get in.
but whatever we do we cant win, any tracker I mean, and yes it does piss me off, it would you as well if you ran a tracker, all we ask is one thing, seed back what you take and most cant even do that, never mind the trading etc on top of it.
If you dont want to trade, ignore it?.
I don't see why everyone bothers to, explain why to or not to... When its a thread for it self, if you dont click into it, you wont see it.
It isnt that hard.
Delete it already the traders voted 30 times and no one came and say a solid reason to keep that place.
My humble opinion is that if the trade section dissapears, many users would turn into ass-lickers, you know just how to get into some trackers. Nothing more disguisting... I voted for No.
I am kind of indifferent anyway.. good luck Chuck !
Yes please get rid of it.
@ shalafi :While we're at it, why not tell us all your aliases.Quote:
Why dont you show the names on the poll to see who voted yes and no?
PS: I agree with you entirely stoi,,,and yes you do know me :-D, very well in fact.....
Keeps FST's traffic up :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Naix
I feel that giveaways are enough of a push on trackers rules. Trading is a direct breach of the rules and shouldnt be allowed IMO. It would also get rid of people being hunted down on this site. There are plenty of other trading forums around, but FST is fun, lets make it funn.....(er)
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does this include the VTG?
If you look closely into the trader section, the thing that makes it worst is the lvl'ing that has been done to the trackers. We all know is against rules of any tracker to trade invites and mostly giving away in public too.
However, giving the traders recognition of which invites are worth what and how cool they are through there invites, is just silly and it cant be explain by any argument imo.
You can see that mostly of the threads done now, is to get higher level trackers, none is because they need the tracker or have something to participate with.
Foremore is making people become collectors, which is worse. They only trade to make their portfolio of invite bigger and higher!
Keep the invite section so I can be ub3r cool and scam people with promises of ScT!! :D
I forgot,,,I voted get rid of it.
@stoi, you're getting upset mate, we've talk about this before,,,you made your points, good point at that, don't let them wear you down....
edited. delete this.
im not a trader. but wait, i would think that im not a trader cuz ive not ever trade... lemme think moar abt it. mb i just ddnt trade cuz noone offered to me good deal. demonoid for ftn for example, lol
so im not a trader but im not against trading, i rly dont see any bad in it. many members think that trader is equal to a scammer/cheater, but what trackers are looking for? good mambers i think. so what would be better for trackers: to take some new users even tho trading and then ban 90% of em and stay with small but good part of it, or just ban hole countries and dont care about new members at all? if they really looking for that they are speaking, then i suppose that trading shd not be a big problem for em
more then that, im not a special i guess, but those 90% of ppl that i know in bt world that traded ever are nuff smart and very clever. also those 90% of em are seem like targets to be banned for tracker kings. i think everyone has his own point of view and from that point everyone can be right. from a part we all r right
for the last, does this poll change smth? if no, then dont read my post, ull waste ur time, but if u did i dont care :pinch:
voted for no
whatever the outcome of this thread will be, nothing significant will change, so i won't go very deep in the discussion here, as it's mostly useless and a waste of time. :idunno:
but i will go through a somewhat different approach on this one, why particularly here it is allowed.
Let's look at the forum's footer. wow... i've never noticed that before. :huh: what are those sites for ? :shifty: :shifty:
hmmm, maybe this is a part of a group of forums, but weirdly i don't see at those forums references to FST. :shifty:Quote:
hmmmm... lots of advertising at those places. i wonder if... no... it must be a coincidence that nearly all of those sites talk about money on the internet, etc etc... just take a deeper look, not a 2 minutes one.
in the last year or so, we've been through some changes, many might not have noticed. One of them is that now non-registered users can access all the board. especially that trading section that was forbidden back on my join date.
this generates a lot more hits, with external redirects for example, or banner impressions as the advertisers call it. :shifty:
so, here comes the rhetorical question: if you owned a forum (don't mistake that with "administrate"), that you nearly never visit at all lately, therefore having mostly no concerns about its health, what would be the only thing you would want out of it?
and why would you bother if some of your users, and maybe some of your staffers, disagreed on a policy that mostly is all you care about your forum and its existance?
imo there's nothing else to see at this thread people. move along.
thanks to those who bothered to read this post amongst a thread like this.
^Boom..Headshot. There you go. How can you get rid of the main attractor when it can hurt your budget, userbase and forums activity?! Great point.
Now I want to see what the staffers have to say about this.
Yes please get rid of it.
Killercam did I show you that pic when I made that guy take a pic infront of a pink mirror with a note on his hand asking for a Bcg invite ?? lol i hope I still have that pics in my laptop.Quote:
Originally Posted by killercam101
It really is funny though how far some will go for an invite.
Get rid of the trading and it can only be a win-win situation....for FST and the trackers. A lot of the traders here really don't contribute anything meaningful to the site so I can't see why we need them.
Can't see this happening though unless most of the staff suddenly have a change of heart.
Looking at this from FST's point of view, if the trading section has been there for all these years there must be a good reason for it. It leads me to believe that FST majorly benefits from it. And if it does then I don't see why they should remove it, because the staff would do what's best for their site,just as torrent site owners do what's best for theirs.
It's important to recognise the fact that the torrent forums are only a part of FST which is a massive site in totality,quite possible the torrent sections generate a lot of traffic but it doesn't fully constitute this place.
I don't see why FST is obligated to follow tracker site rules and they really don't have to , I suspect it's out of sheer goodwill that they cooperate with certain tracker staff.
What I find puzzling is that a year or two ago trading wasn't considered bad at all,infact it was done very openly and even hailed as good.
Fast forward to right now ,its a cardinal sin to trade. There is such a paradigm shift with this whole anti-trading phenomenon being the new cool.
Let's consider this for instance:- FST somehow feels pressured by tracker admins or for the greater good of private trackers remove the trading section. Staff are merry,anti-traders are merry.
Next,the trackers staff somehow influence FST(or FST grows a conscience) to remove "public giveaways"(Remember public giveaways is frowned upon too and is against most private trackers rules) and so its removed.
Finally, tracker staff think that filling their site's invite requests at a public forum as big as this is somehow harmful to their site and that torrent tracker invites should only be "distributed" at torrent sites. So they pressure FST to ban that too. Now you have the entire invite section completely wiped out. I wonder how much FST would lose out of this,MASSIVE probably? A negative cascading effect of epic proportions?
And I haven't even started with the beaten-to-death argument of whether trading is bad or not..
I voted yes to closing the trader forums and to the vtg
Stoi I back you up 100% I have never traded and yet I a years time I am on all the sites I need to be on. Its called investing time and getting to know folks a bit. (the old fashion way of things networking) No I am not on BCG because I don't do gaming I do do movies tv and programs/applications and music. Specifically Flac rips.
As for security trading can be one of the major hindrance to having a secure site. You can not 100% be sure of anyone who you give an invite to but in trading you can't be sure even 25% who you trade with is a good user and not a cheat.
In my opinion any one wanting to trade must have something to hide, like irisheyes said, I rather take my time, get the site staff to get to know me better before I even attempt to join it,,
And before any wise cracks, yeah I am well known, not with that nick, agree, but never the less. :-D
I don't think that is quite true. Trading has always been frowned upon although some trackers have turned a blind eye to invite trading. Account trading has always been frowned upon and two years ago was not so prevalent. Since then access to seedboxes has become easier enabling traders to buffer the accounts to trade them on.Quote:
Originally Posted by soulreaper
Getting rid of just account trading would be a step in the right direction.
I don't see a problem with it
keep it
If we get rid of the trading section, let me tell you trading will get WORSE.
Traders will always find places to trade, but without a trading section here, we won't be able to tell who's a trader and who isn't.
That means alot more traders will get invites from the Giveaway/Request section and go trade them in other forums.
To all the anti traders and people that voted yes, get this :
We need the trading section to know who not to trust!!
And like Cabalo said, there is no way it will be deleted since it attracts users and generates ad money for the site.
The trading section will stay, and that's a good thing.
H.
get rid of the trading section please :)
get rid of it for the feckin win
I voted yes and I'm absolutely certain FST will act according to the results of this poll.