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Bilkinter, thats a pretty solid idea. i've had one similar in the past but it was taken as a joke for some reason. i don't think anybody wants to waste time anymore looking out for trackers and sending traders in the right path, therefore a sticky about this might be beneficial.
It might be nice to have such a sticky regarding those beforementioned points and the personal experiences of certain traders as well as non traders, it would kinda provide people with means to evaluate points stated on those and choose the path for themselves not some imposed choice by others. Also i think we shall add friends factor, trust, accountability and other issues that are related to this whole discussion. It would be a nice one really, if you are into discussing it, pm me lets gather some other members to have their opinions on the matter, then we can make it a stickie but it shall be examined by some staff to measure the objectivity of those arguments, otherwise we wouldnt show a way we would dictate a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Being a trader is silly. just ask ppl they will help you.
Being a good person is the secret and jhaving nice friends also helps.
I like to say do not hever aspect anything from anyone, and always share what you have.
I just hoped there will be some people who would discuss this issue in a mannered and civilized way :) I hoped we can exchange our arguments and let the logic decide who's right.
I presented my arguments, and no one dared to specifically articulate them and point out the lack of logic. I'm sorry to say that but so far traders are winning this dabate.
all we can do is to change the ideas of future generation torrenters, you cant possibly this generation which is afraid to voice their opinion on certain matters because of tracker policies. I honestly urge you to give up on this issue, you will be hurt a lot in the way, not everyone is civilized, and they will make fun of what you say, post pictures that they think is funny. Unless you like to be tortured, i strongly suggest that you take an u-turn and be a non trader xD. As an experience from my own torrenting experience, i defended the same arguments as you did, i was bullied et cetera, in the end, i was pushed too far that i started posting po... pictures on the site which got me banned. Even if you say you have control over what you do, there are times when you are pushed too hard, it is your choice, but it wouldnt hurt you being silent, but it would if you keep talking. Speaking outta experience
Nobody is judging; the fact is, it is against tracker's rules.Quote:
The fact, that you begged 10 crappy invites doesn't make you a person who should really decide or judge whats right and whats wrong in the torrent universe
I can argue that H&R is good for trackers in many case and that over seeding is ALWAYS bad; but the former act is against tracker's rule while the latter is not.Quote:
I presented my arguments, and no one dared to specifically articulate them and point out the lack of logic. I'm sorry to say that but so far traders are winning this dabate.
Rules are rules, if you don't like it, try harder to live with it.
If I dont like a rule, I choose another tracker. (I actually recently dropped a couple accounts in which I didnt agree with the direction of the tracker), So I guess I cant really reply with anything to argue with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMoreMore funny than those inconsistent rules, are all the sheeps that blindly follow them. If there was a rule on those trackers like: "You canīt f#ck your girlfriend", I'm sure all those sheeps would stop f#cking (wait...they don't f#ck already).Quote:
Originally Posted by That1Guy
And my G/F is seven months pregnant.... so I guess I am just replying to let you know that the plural word for sheep is "sheep".
now for my two cents. AkaiDoresu I understand your saying giveaways and trading is not secure. How ever there is a place on the web that's been open less than a year. That does not allow trading. The do allow folks to ask for invites. Offer a Non Movement tracker list (so work with the trackers if they do not want invites offered) Mind you that doesn't mean you wont get an invite to one of these it just means you make friends, Network, Help folks out, get involved in the site, You can check post history reps given and other things besides just the proof's (yes there will still be bad apples) But at least its a true community that works with both the site reps and the BT community users. I have stated many times on this forum I have never traded and never received an invite from a give away thread all my trackers I have because I have gotten to know folks.
To me if traders spent as much time networking with folks as they do in fighting trading then this would be a non issue. Its time to change some attitudes.
For those who can't see how things like trading, giveaways and yes open sign ups can be a security issue then they are not seeing a bigger picture.
I also think where this is a non invite forum its way to easy to be monitored from outside sources. And just a few post and waiting period can gain you access to the trading forum. Not all that secure. So I can see why many trackers are not fond of this particular forum
I'm glad that your english skills are better than mine. Congratulations mate. I would be very happy to see your skills in my native language (portuguese).Quote:
Originally Posted by That1GuyIf I dont like a rule, I choose another tracker. (I actually recently dropped a couple accounts in which I didnt agree with the direction of the tracker), So I guess I cant really reply with anything to argue with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
And my G/F is seven months pregnant.... so I guess I am just replying to let you know that the plural word for sheep is "sheep".
If you don't like a rule you don't need to runaway, just break it, mate. Don't be scared. Nobody will kill you for that. Do you stop in every stop sign while driving. I guess not. So it's better for you to stop driving. :frusty:
I wasnt trying to bash you, and do realize that for many people here English is not their native language. I was actually empathizing for people who use English as their second language during that part of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
And you are right, if I dont like a rule I dont have to run away. But maybe it just comes down to morals/beliefs/what ever. If someone says they dont want something that I believe in, rather than think "who are these guys to make rules at their own trackers, I can do what I want". I think "fuck these guys, I dont need them." and quietly delete my account or bookmark.
And um....yes actually I do stop at all stop signs.....
Bottom line: There is always gonna be douchbags trading, getting caught, and whining about being banned. You can whine all you want. But as long as you are using private trackers, THEY MAKE THE RULES. You can follow them or not, But bitching and whining is stupid and pointless. If you dont like it, start your own tracker, make all the rules you want.
nothing is wronge in that way you can get trackers faster!!!
but you mustn't be a scamer!!!
If you are on a desert road at 4 am with a perfect view, will you stop ate that stop sign? I'm sure not. Do you know why? Because that doesn't make any sense. But you are breaking a rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by That1GuyI wasnt trying to bash you, and do realize that for many people here English is not their native language. I was actually empathizing for people who use English as their second language during that part of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
And you are right, if I dont like a rule I dont have to run away. But maybe it just comes down to morals/beliefs/what ever. If someone says they dont want something that I believe in, rather than think "who are these guys to make rules at their own trackers, I can do what I want". I think "fuck these guys, I dont need them." and quietly delete my account or bookmark.
And um....yes actually I do stop at all stop signs.....
Bottom line: There is always gonna be douchbags trading, getting caught, and whining about being banned. You can whine all you want. But as long as you are using private trackers, THEY MAKE THE RULES. You can follow them or not, But bitching and whining is stupid and pointless. If you dont like it, start your own tracker, make all the rules you want.
Nobody is bitching and whining here. I'm just telling you that I have total respect for trackers and their staff, but I don't like to follow stupid rules. I canīt remember the last time I traded an invite, but I won't feel a dishonest guy if I trade one tomorrow.
I understand when a tracker forbids trading and is coherent with that in their attitudes. What I can't understand is a tracker that forbids trading for security reasons and open their signups at the sametime. I know it's their rules, but they are STUPID. Will I follow them? NO! Will I delete my account there? NO. Am I a douchbag for that? No. Do you think I'm a douchbag? I don't give a f#ck.
Ask Artemis
But saying trading is alright is not like running through a stop sign in the middle of the desert, it is like saying "I dont agree to stop sign's and wont obey by them". Inviting someone that a close friend knows but you do not would be more like running that stop sign in the desert.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
LMFAO!Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
because they canQuote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
/me has no commentQuote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
I think Im done here for a bit. I dont ever expect much when I post here, and am usually not disappointed.
Maybe I'll run in to you in a few months when I decide to post some more and we can argue some more.
Mate, I'm not here to fight with anyone. I have my opinion and you have yours. I just don't hate anyone for trading a few invites. I have more important things to think in my life.
I have no sympathy for those heavy traders. I don't understand how can someone trade dozens of times. On the other hand, I'm sure that 90% of anti-traders are ass kissing kids that want to build some reputation.
You may laugh as much as you want, but I have total respect for most of trackers. I'm just asking for some coherency managing those trackers.
I know I said I was done, and I would not have responded to some rant, but I will to a reasonable response.
I cant agree more that 90% of "anti traders" are full of BS and are kissing ass (some are probably traders in disguise).
Like I said earlier (i think), I dont go hunting down traders, and I dont personally hate them as people. But just feel it is annoying when they come complaining. (which u have not done).
Cheers mate
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Originally Posted by That1Guy
Seriously wtf ? you respect the tracker and the staff but you dont respect their rules, so what exactly DO you respect ?Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
That is bizarre, I mean its not like there are a huge amount of rules anyway, but this is too much effort for some people ?
The general trend around here is I want what I want, and you can all just get the fuck out of my way while I get it. How is that in any way even remotely a community?
I tell you what explain your thoughts to the staff of some of the trackers you respect, say its all good but I don't agree with your rules............. exactly how long do you think you will have an account after that speech ?
There's nothing wrong with being a scammer either in my opinion. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by alaaden90
Actually can anyone here defend this ?
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...e-trade-343086
Some people trade for fun, thats it lol. And my 2 cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
I dont like traders, not because they get what they want and fast, but because they dont respect ther ules. We dont pay for these sites, and the chances of any traders donating to the sites are quite slim I think, or giving anything back. They dont participate in communities, in case one speaks with broken english and the other was fluent, and might get noticed, they bring nothing to the site, and cant follow the rules. Okay, I hunted down a few traders in my time for different people, and reported them when they PM'ed me on other sites, but Im not a trader hunterm and when I did, it wasnt to try and get some rep/brownie points, I already knew the right people, it was just a case of waiting for anything I wanted/do want. People dont understand, that the way this works isnt about being a good seeder only, its about knowing the right people, and getting to know them, and the best way is through tracker IRC's, forums etc. you WILL get what you want, it jsut takes time.
Hes ok.
Look at his sig. LOL
At the time that I post this offer
Accounts NOT To Be Traded On FST list is BCG | FSC | FTN | ITS
This thread is almost laughable... no, actually it is!
for those who think there's nothing wrong with it.. take a gander here.. this is the wave of the future boys/girls!
http://file-share-freak.com/2009/03/28/why-you-shouldnt-trade-staff-members-face-ban/
read and bitch.... lmao!
I don't respect their rules? Did you even read what I wrote? Out of 30 or 40 rules I think one rule is inconsistente with certain trackers attitudes and that means that I have no respect for them? How long will I have an account there? Since 2006 in some trackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
Don't forget that only a small minority of trackers forbids trading, but I won't discuss anymore this issue. I made my point clear.
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Originally Posted by Artemis
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Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
shame really, i definitely cant defend him, he got into anything he found an access to. Shame to us all. I would still say not every trader is like him of course. Some just trade to get into certain trackers they really need. Therefore, this act of that guy doesnt give us right to label all traders as selfish, collectors et cetera.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
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Originally Posted by jasperr
What is laughable is the notion that people have a right or even the capability to impose there morality on others .
I understand that trading can be a serious security issue with trackers but to fight with such a fascist approach is against the very ethic that the creators of the internet intended.
Now I am sure that some simple- minded person will take this as me condoning trading ,killing puppies or some other such foolishness(which I obviously haven't) but then fanaticism doesn't allow for much rational thought does it?
And while we are sharing links
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/pubs/98il/il01.html
Oh I see, you want to choose which rules that you want to follow, well that makes it soooo much clearer.Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
I'll say it again though, now that you have clarified this for me, have exactly this same conversation with the staff of the trackers that you 'respect' . I have hyphened the word respect here simply because your respect is conditional on whether you respect the specific rule or not. I do
however doubt they will come to the same conclusion as you regarding your idea of respect.
Ok mate, think whatever you want. I think I have the right to questioning a rule, even if I don't break it, like I do in so many things in my life. I don't like to feel like a sheep. Do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
Can someone aswer me these 2 questions with a yes or no:
Is there anything wrong trading a tti invite for a tranceroute invite? Yes or No?
Is there any coherency in forbiding trading and opening signups at the same time? Yes or No?
Yes, again if unsure ask TTi or TR staffQuote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
Not really sure what you mean by coherency ? (rationality perhaps?) but the answer once again is yes (I could say ask tracker staff but you get my drift).Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
Trackers are against you trading your invites and accounts and in fact many trackers have simply removed user invites altogether simply to prevent the trading which is so prevalent.
You are justifying trading from your own personal standpoint - the end justifies the means. The point I am trying to make is that if your standpoint is so right and correct why don't you explain your viewpoint to the staff of the trackers, or is it that the ends justifies the means argument is a selfish one and that if you explained this to the staff you would not be a member for very long ?
What a list..Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
i think your getting confused here... there is no morality.. the thing is simple.. trackers set the rules.. period! its the staff at any given tracker that enforces them or not.. which some things staff can be understanding.. and other things they might be rigid on.. point is it's not the user/member that can pick and choose which rule to follow.. there is no discussion about that..Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperr
What is laughable is the notion that people have a right or even the capability to impose there morality on others .
tracker staff are not dictators as you may be suggesting here.. quite the contrary, they are very flexible provided users stay within the rules.. and to be honest the rules are not that hard or difficult to follow.. just about all trackers have the 3 basic ones.. don't trade, no give aways, and don't use full site name in public... sites tend to vary on other items.. now, to me.. i see a lot of play room there.. most staffers might tend to agree on that.. maybe i'm the crazy one here.. i dunno :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Actually, i don't think people would get that impression.... (unless your really into killing puppies..?:blink:)Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
no thanks ..... if i need something to put me to sleep, maybe i'll check it out.. (bookmarked.. just in case...)Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
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Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
There's nothing wrong. You can even trade them in their own forums:Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2185/42028284.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1442/tti.jpg
Trust me, a large majority of trackers don't give a f#ck about trading.
I'm not here defending that we all should break rules. I totally understand the need for some security and why they don't want to invite anyone. I admire the way a few trackers are managed, like fsc, ftn, tt, etc.
What I will never understand is the total obsession for security in one hand, and doors wide open in the other.
Considering the gist of your op,I wonder which one of those rules applied hereQuote:
Originally Posted by jasperr
http://file-share-freak.com/2009/03/28/why-you-shouldnt-trade-staff-members-face-ban/
There is a disturbing trend in society to lay the blame on others for something that was an individuals own choice....The person chose to drink and drive so it was the bar's fault for serving him....the man stabbed his friend because he played violent video games
It's the same kind of skewed reasoning where people used to say it was a woman's fault that she was raped because she dressed a certain way.
It is always easier and more comforting to simply lay the blame on others than address the larger issue.
The simpletons behind these kind of short-sighted actions don't care if nothing is really solved. It is rather about demonstrating power to ease their feelings of helplessness and an puerile attempt subjugate the undecided.
the point is accountability! you trade, no one knows who has use of the account, not staff, not no one.. at least when you use an invite there is a record and a sense of responsibility not only to tracker staff/site but to other members of the site.. responsibility that you will do your part with seeding.. which you get none of that when your in it for trade.. you'll maybe buffer the account needlessly with a seedbox or something and trade it off for the next thing..Quote:
Originally Posted by FaithNoMore
how am i laying blame on someone else??... can you explain this to me? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Considering the gist of your op,I wonder which one of those rules applied hereQuote:
Originally Posted by jasperr
http://file-share-freak.com/2009/03/28/why-you-shouldnt-trade-staff-members-face-ban/
There is a disturbing trend in society to lay the blame on others for something that was an individuals own choice....The person chose to drink and drive so it was the bar's fault for serving him....the man stabbed his friend because he played violent video games
It's the same kind of skewed reasoning where people used to say it was a woman's fault that she was raped because she dressed a certain way.
It is always easier and more comforting to simply lay the blame on others than address the larger issue.
The simpletons behind these kind of short-sighted actions don't care if nothing is really solved. It is rather about demonstrating power to ease their feelings of helplessness and an puerile attempt subjugate the undecided.
it's not all wrong but it's not true either.Because you should give invites to your trusted friends.With tradition,you give your invitation to anyone (maybe trusted maybe not) to get invitation which you're searching for.You don't care whose you invited.he or she can be harmfull to site.you can't know.thats why it's forbidden.
sorry for my bad english.
Doors wide open = open for signups like bitmetv, scl and bcg did a few months ago. There's no accountability in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by jasperr
Theres no discussion about it.
Its their home, you only join, if you whant too, and if you accept their rules, a guest never demands anything.
Trading ? LOL
How about all thoese anti traders, who use the so called favors, tho get in everywhere ?
You scratch my back, ill scratch yours.
How many members at FXX where staff invited , and how many of thoese, where scratching backs... ( not so primitive trading )
Its a bad english, but i tried to make it simple.
Forgot : Still waiting to see, when, wil invite foruns, start to be chased, since just like traders, and fst, they also, put trackers security at risk!
posting 100 times, on the boob thread, or at any other, doesnt make you a thrustwordy person, i think.
I didn't fully understand it. Could you please do a favour and help your fellow countryman, send me a private message and say exactly the same but in macauish. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by benficao
or portuguese ;)
not really, its pretty clear, just like water ;)
I do not support trading, but i know theres lots of ppl still doing it, but theyre smarter than the average Joe.
Ppl should all chill at least a little bit, almost anyone who got into trackers, around 2004 has at least traded, once. ( will not comment this )
You get lowlifes like beniflaceo posing like females that's whats wrong with itQuote:
Whats wrong with trading