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I use both and Usenet is obviously easier to use and has the retention, but Torrents seem to have the advantage is getting stuff quicker. Anyone that is intimidated by newsgroup readers and whatnot, try out Easynews, they have a web interface that rules and is like RS in a way. Anyway, having the combination of both seems to work for me.
I agree with your point, but not your wording.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'
As I summarized in my initial post, Usenet is the best method from which to obtain files which are in circulation, but there are absolutely trackers such as Karagarga which are valuable specialty sites to some and have users which upload content directly to that site and only that site. For that use, yes, Bittorrent absolutely maintains a semi-faithful Usenet audience such as myself. I still maintain accounts at Demonoid, E**** (where I still enjoy uploading), FTN, SCT, Waffles, and What. The later two have such a vast repertoire that even Usenet cannot begin to encompass it. But, they are backups. My first resource is Usenet. 95% of everything I download and/or look to download is available there.
Bittorrent has a loud presence, but Usenet has a huge silent mass of users.
Soulseek is another very undervalued resource.
How do you find Newzbin to be "by far the best"? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by tywyn
I find it to be complete pish and unecessary. :huh:
It's a bit ironic that you say this. what's the point of being so open about usenet? what is to be proven or gained by spreading the word? can't you guys just leech in peaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
yeah, it's been around for a long time, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be here forever.
Is it really safe to upload? If the provider doesn't have logs (like Astraweb) are you safe? I don't really know much about Usenet.Quote:
4) If you want to share, you can upload releases to usenet, upload nzbs to various sites (including FST) or you can spot posts on various forums.
Sure I know you don't _have to_ upload but without people uploading stuff there wouldn't be anything to download.
If you aren't tracable by logs or something couldn't Astraweb still be forced to give up my name? If I subscribe with my credit card they have my real name and address.
I read this at Astraweb's site:
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We may disclose personal information without your consent under the following circumstances:If we are required by law or by an order or requirement of a court, administrative agency, or other government entity, or by court rules concerning the production of records;
If we have reasonable grounds to believe that the information relates to breach of an agreement or violation of the law that has been, is being, or is about to be committed;
If it is necessary for the establishment or collection of funds owed to us;
If it is necessary to enforce or apply our Terms of Use and other agreements, to pursue remedies, or to limit damages to Astraweb;
For other reasons allowed or required by law.
I would be tempted,but just not enough to actually part with as much as $11 for stuff that is freely available from RS and yes XDCCs.
another thing,its not actually us BT users who are being faced with these lawsuits.Its site owners who unfortunately didn't have anonymity in mind while setting up.Also if you look at RIAAs fail rate at convicting BT users u would yourself be very much convinced that its not all as bad as it seems.most successful convictions have been on kazaa users..
I kinda believe that you guys on usenet are piracy ex-cons with restraining orders not to use bittorrent ever again otherwise risk jail time.
Why is indexing files in a well run and organised site pish and unecessary? :rolleyes: There's a hell of a lot of people who'd disagree with you on that. I know that he site is highly structured, organised and well run as I used to edit for them at one point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
So your telling me that a raw search for something that is nine months old is easier than using an indexing site? I've yet to see a better Usenet indexing site on the net in the years that I've been using the service. Any comments are grouped together so if there is a problem with the image then often you'll know before downloading, also it's very possible that somethimg that was posted would be missed on a raw search, but picked up in Newzbin.
Pish and unecessary? I don't think so!
Re: specialty trackers: I'm sure you guys are right. I don't really have diverse tastes. I can't watch xvids due to the quality and I never liked artsy movies. I don't listen to music except in the car listening to my local classical and jazz stations (both public radio stations btw) so the only music I get is for the wife, who likes dancy poppy music that I get on iTunes or Usenet.
But when I've looked, Usenet does seem to have a solid base in classic rock, classical, jazz, blues, etc. perhaps due to the older userbase. It is probably harder to find than on what and if you're already spoiled by the ease of using Pedros/E****, then I understand why you wouldn't want to give them up.
Re: Uploading to usenet
Nothing is entirely safe, and the less they log, the better. Most heavy uploaders of the big scene releases use servers and post under generic names like "Yenc Power Post" using separate accounts just for posting. Just like most torrent uploaders will remain untouched, most Usenet folks will as well.
Re: Newzbin
I think Skizo and many others are just capable without using an index service, or at least one they'd have to pay for, so they don't do it.
All in all, I just find being a leech easier. I've grabbed over 500GB in the past 2 weeks, partly refilling a hard drive of 720p films I had to reformat, which would have been a real difficulty using torrents (taking longer to download, taking much longer overall due to seeding back, keeping them on the hard drive, etc.).
I'm quite capable of not using Newzbin myslef, but it's much easier using an indexer. Most folks just want to do a quick search, get the NZB and away to go. There's no need to make it unnecessarily difficult especially for Usenet beginners (which I'm not)Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeHD
Part of the reason some people don't use Usenet is because they think it's complex and they don't know how to use it.
1. Astraweb or similar
2. Newsleecher (with quickpar intergrated) or similar
3. Newzbin, Binnews or similar
Then you're ready to go, it couldn't be easier really.
Yenc is just a tool for uploading and posting binary files to Usenet.
If anyone needs help in setting up PM me.
i second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
I have tried usenet while ago, it havent make such a good impression to me. I am willing to give it another shot, but the method of getting the files from usenet and the way it is presented, I just couldnt find a reason why use usenet over p2p sources at the time. There is an advantage, that you dont have to keep ratio and the speeds are generally fast, but usually advanced BT users hardly have to worry about those. Same thing about content variety (when it comes to my needs and stealing taste :P), altho I'm sure there are some exceptions.
What difficulties did you experience in getting the files?
Use a site like NewzLeech or Binsearch to search for stuff, download an .nzb and then open it with your preferred client. You don't need to go through the trouble of fetching headers for groups you're interested in if you can find your files on the different Usenet search engines-although that's kind of fun.
Loved usenet for years!! It rocks.. Mother f***ing ISP dropped and now I have to pay to get it. Sucks that it was bundled and they use some excuse of pedo-porn blocking to drop a service that had been included since 92. :-| Tangent: Who currently has best feeds/options for fair cost in the usenet service world?
I pay fuck all for use of the bittorrent protocol.
Plus, what kind of community is there in usenet?
For those saying usenet doesn't have a community, you're actually quite wrong. Usenet contains normal text-only groups and binary groups (alt.binaries) which is where the files are. Usenet has many text groups where people post messages, it's like a forum only far bigger and with a wider range of topics. So saying there is no community is just stupid, before making judgements you might want to get your info straight.
Plus, if you still don't think that is good enough, what need is there for a community anyway? You are on BT trackers to download stuff, that is all, if you want a nice community then you can come to a forum like this.
And honestly, why would you buy a seedbox? It doesn't magically make your home internet connection any faster. Yes, you may be able to download from torrents at 10MB/s using a server but you still have to download the files from the server using your home connection! Save yourself the hassle and just pay for usenet access (which is probably cheaper than a seedbox in most cases).
Most of the people here just buy a fast server, stick it onto a torrent tracker and set it to grab every new torrent uploaded. Why? to brag that you have it first? increase your ratio? No, it is because you're retarded. Just download what you are going to use when you want it, you don't have to have everything first. That is the type of thinking you see from kids.
It depends on your upload speed, leaving the PC running 24/7 just to maintain a decent share ratio can work out more expensive than buying Usenet download credits.
I've not been on the Newzbin IRC channel for years, but it's there and I'm sure many others are available in addition to the many text groups available.
Usenet seems to be the popular choice amongst members of NFOHump which has a friendly, knowledgeable and helpful community.
There's a list of free Usenet trials here
If you're struggling for a good copy of leeching software I'm sure I can arrange something ;)
+1 you may have a point here :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by UsenetGuy
unfortunalety, private torrenting is full of retarded kids who thinks that buffering ratios as hell and reaching the highest users classes make them special.
Are you saying that having a gigantic buffer doesn't really make me special? :cry:
torrents+rapidshare=heaven
If you mean 'special' in the short bus kind of way, I think that's exactly what he meant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stellar
SCNR.
Ah so I'll have to display my e-penis through extensive speedtests and being an internet tough guy instead.
You need to have usenet in there somewhere. And Soulseek, etc. The more resources the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stranger99
I agree with pretty much everything UsenetGuy said. Usenet has a huge community, it's just not as easy to see as a forum like this.
Seriously if you haven't tried usenet try it because it owns. That's been said in this thread how many times?
I have Giganews and still use torrents with a SB. Hell I even use limewire on the rare occasion. I think the discussion should be more of what is your first pick of the lot. Mine is Usenet then torrents and then, and only then, will I go to LW.
As in life we pay for conveniences so if you want to get what you want when you want it with no BT bullshit or having to worry if you can seed back. Obviously Usenet is the way. Rapidshare is simply no comparison at all.
TBH why doesn't everyone try it? Theres a snappy banner at the top right of every page for the Giganews free trial. Shit its free people! Get Alt.Binz and quickpar and skim through a few short tuts here if you get stuck. Simple really dont take anyone's advice just go see for yourself. :)
Absolutely have to agree (with the exception of EVER using LimeWire of course). :P But solid advice nonetheless on the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
I acknowledge that usenet is great, but the thing is, I really love bit torrent. That's the bottom line, I really like being a part of all the different trackers I'm on. I don't know why, but BT rocks my world.
I'm not sure I would get the same buzz from usenet.
Again, I don't pay for bittorrent, and I can also upload stuff as well, share a few files with mates.Quote:
Originally Posted by UsenetGuy
I tried newsdemon for a few months just over a year ago, and wasn't impressed...
For a start it cost me about £12 a month, whereas my ovh box costs £6 (shared with 3 mates).
My ISP seemed to throttle usenet traffic almost all the time, and I could only connect for about 6 hours a day, the rest of the time it was totally blocked. FTP runs at full speed 24 hours a day and I can easily download 20GB a day (even more if I'm really going for it!).
Despite retention, parts seemed to be missing from almost everything I downloaded, so couldn't even extract them. Never a problem with bittorrent, as it always reaches 100% eventually.
Finally, bittorrent is more fun. :)
ever since ive changed to another isp who offers 2 usenet servers with a +200day retention for free ive been using it more and more!
also when i started downloading all my tv shows in 720p i just set up an rss feed in SABnzbd instead of seeding it all back at 40kb/s on torrenttrackers...
now 95% off what i download is from usenet.
You need to use .par2 files to repair some things you download. Repairs usually only need to be made for older stuff, but it's good to verify everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trippin'
Try one of the trials that Giganews or Astraweb offer and use a good indexing site. I doubt you'd be disappointed again.
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I used to torrent (Will complete Five years this week)
I will never change as long as it's working
I don't know why I came here to convert you folks. Ignorance seeps through the threads in this subsection of the forum and I'm done trying to deal with it.
I hope that a handful of you make the switch to Usenet after reading this, or at least give it a fair shot.
Good luck, bittorrent community.
MikeHD is a troll... nuff said.
In all areas I'm concerned about... torrents are 100% better.
HD: The best encodes are from HDBits. (Plus most uploaders get their shit from there)
Games: BCG is light years ahead of what the usenet community can offer in terms of older (ps2 / DC etc) games and help.
MikeHD go back to your soulless usenet and burn another $15 for this months service. Bye.
Good luck, usenet community :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeHD
(lol, 'convert' :D)
Thats not really a fair statement. Most HD encodes found on HDBits are on usenet. As far as games, I dont know much, but a quick usenet browse in the xbox360 groups, I see assloads (yes, a technical term) of games.Quote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuaid
Im not saying one is better than the other, but I am also saying that NOTHING is 100% better than anything else.
Normally I check torrents first then if the torrent is in bad shape or such I'll check newsgroups.
your posts are quite interesting comparing the crap we can see everyday in this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeHD
unfortunately, you came here in order to convince people instead of simply discussing with them.
And that is precisely why he failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephiliayour posts are quite interesting comparing the crap we can see everyday in this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeHD
unfortunately, you came here in order to convince people instead of simply discussing with them.
I have to say MikeHD, that from reading your posts, you are not 'In The Scene' nor have access to the true beauty of what is 'Bittorrent'. Yes, I am an elite Usenet user and the only advantage Usenet has over P2P, is the blazing fast speeds and retention of files...but it lacks on content where DEDICATED PEOPLE OF THE BITTORRENT COMMUNITY contribute.
I felt like I was being bukkaked with stupid while reading that. Are you serious? :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by DouglasQuaid
It's posts like yours that keep users thoroughly confused and completely misinformed. You're talking right from your arse with that post.
Most uploaders do not get their content from HDBits. FFS, what are you on?
Torrents are "100% better"? Get real. Better at what exactly?
"BCG is light years ahead"? I've only one thing to say to that: Post #39 :lol:
Sheesh, get a clue bro.
EDIT: OK, just out of curiosity I went and looked at the amount of files posted in a couple of popular groups. I found that in just a.b.warez and a.b.cd.images.games there have been 9,347 postings just since April 1st, 2009 (23 days). Now consider that maybe 40% of those are par files and you're left with approximately 3,740 unique games posted in just 23 days. Going even further, consider that this was only 2 groups of the (at least) 30 groups dedicated to nothing but games and that Giganews offers 365+ days of retention. You still think that a single tracker can come anywhere even remotely close to that? :noes:
That made me :glag:Quote:
Originally Posted by link2009And that is precisely why he failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
I have to say MikeHD, that from reading your posts, you are not 'In The Scene' nor have access to the true beauty of what is 'Bittorrent'. Yes, I am an elite Usenet user and the only advantage Usenet has over P2P, is the blazing fast speeds and retention of files...but it lacks on content where DEDICATED PEOPLE OF THE BITTORRENT COMMUNITY contribute.
You people are just too much...
I just found this. Never even knew it existed before.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
1984 postings. :smilie4:
Amazing find, Skizo. I didn't know about that group, either. :w00t: My harddrive will be completely full by noon!
Usenetownage
lacks of content? 5-6TB/day is lack of content?5.5TB X 365 days=2007.5TBQuote:
Originally Posted by link2009
all 0-day trackers are a joke compared to this
Stoi It's funny you say that cuz BCG is one of a few sites that actually do have alot of content not found on newsgroups.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
I use both but I prefer BT. Whatcd Ptp and BCG are examples of bt sites I have to go to, to find files for newsgroup friends.
Another thing is when I am browsing a tracker I often end up finding other stuff I didn't even think of until I saw it.
With SCC Speeds are as fast as Newsgroups for newer stuff so I tend to use it a lot.
If you want to get free usenet you can alway get yourself a prepaid visa and sign up for a trial account. After the free trial is used up cancel and grab another trial from a diff provider, repeat that till you run out of good services to try.
After that grab another visa and start again.
Works for me and I have been using my current prepaid for 3 months without having to actually spend a dime.
The cards to use are the un-reloadable green dot. They allow you to register them to any address without having to provide real info about yourself.
I feel cool having all of these hard to get trackers. If I used usenet, I wouldn't feel cool no more.