and they are still here, check this out :lol:
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and they are still here, check this out :lol:
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Originally Posted by AllAlone
is that the best ya got? my 86 year old grand mother can troll better then that ....
The funny thing is that AllAlone can't keep quiet himself.
I guess allalone's trolling is a way to get the attention away from the real fact that P's leadership has no concern about the community's good. Only his own profit. Seriously, getting from VIP to banned within 5 mins... That just shows how much he considers his valued members and how he cares. He doesn't :lol:
I guess a new system will be started soon. Since the P2I no longer exists, and thats seriously hurting Pedro's Bank Balance. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlacMonkey
"P2V" : Pay to get VIP Status. It would definitely generate some profits for Pedro, and some more 'VIPs' to fill the void left by ya guys. :whistling
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Originally Posted by tmac
not every site is like that ... i know alot are, im not a internet dumbass ... but there are some that are about sharing still :happy: its just pedro is not about this, the site "was" fulla good and very helpful ppl .. notice how i said was ... :lol: .. the list is going down quicker then a whore on a friday night :lol: :whistling
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Originally Posted by CrustifiedQuote:
Originally Posted by tmac
not every site is like that ... i know alot are, im not a internet dumbass ... but there are some that are about sharing still :happy: its just pedro is not about this, the site "was" fulla good and very helpful ppl .. notice how i said was ... :lol: .. the list is going down quicker then a whore on a friday night :lol: :whistling
Things have started to go downhill for 'em.
i wonder how many ppl have subscribed to an rss feed for this topic. :P
it always has some lurkers :shifty:
It's really a bummer to hear about all this, even though yeah I'm the last idiot to find out ever. I'm not going to pretend to know any details, but I feel like this is a sad time for Pedro's. I love how in the forum half the uploaders who went or wanted to go on strike are now banned. I've never seen so many banned labels at once.
tut, I want to thank you for the invite a couple years ago. I felt really priveleged to join you guys. I really appreciate it.
And dude, AllAlone you need to really get over yourself. You're a total douche. Who gives a shit how old anyone is on the internet, and where their interests lie? Last time I checked, the internet has been around for some time now and is used daily for multitudes of real life applications as well as fantasy, or virtual. Some people choose to value certain things. Let them have that. And this whole "who cares it's the internet" thing you have floating around in that empty cavity where your brain should be is total crap logic. By your logic, why have you even posted in this thread? It's apparent that you also value this internet BS. Wake up kook.
oh and FlacMonkey nice thread over @ P's. Good stuff.
I think the whole complaint about money being involved stems from the choice most people make. If you could pay for something or get it free, you will choose what is free. Because of the swarm aspect of bt, most users feel that sharing the torrents properly is all that should be required of users. Maybe in an ideal world, all site owners would sponsor the entire operation, but that's not the reality of the situation.
Maybe my perspective as a longtime usenet user makes me see things differently. I would not have a real problem with a site that required payment to join or download. So I don't really have a problem with torrent sites trying to keep their sites running through various ways of getting donations.
Usually the only people complaining about this kind of thing are those long term members who have big buffers already.
That's precisely one of the major problems I have with Usenet as a way of getting stuff. The big usenet providers have established a "pay for warez" mentality which I have a huge problem with in principle. For Usenet guys, it's perfectly normal to pay for a NZB indexing service for Christ's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by drew
My background is different than yours, and while I won't go into detail, let me just say that I have seen a lot of people, some of them good and likeable guys, getting royally fucked because of money involved in warez. Besides that, I generally have a problem with people earning money with other people's work. Call me old fashioned, but that's how I have always seen it.
Yeah we're a different breed so maybe I'll never understand completely.
I think your experience re: people getting screwed is misguided or paranoid when you consider how many huge, reputable sites exist. Paying for giganews/astraweb/highwinds etc. and even one of the big nzb sites, newzbin/nzbmatrix/nzbsrus etc. is very unlikely to result in a scam.
Your point about earning money from other people's work is more interesting. The services mentioned above are earning money on providing a service that provides access to such content and is not directly selling the content. Likewise, you pay for your isp and torrent sites pay for the servers where .torrents are hosted, which even more indirect than usenet, but someone is still making money on providing the access.
Of course you could argue that the whole broadband business would have never took off without piracy, and that is true to a certain degree for sure. But the Giganews' of this world are much more directly involved - hardly anyone is going to pay for a usenet service if he isn't interested in binaries, which are, let us be honest, mostly pirated material.
And that's the problem I have with this, the mentality those companies have established. Only the usenet crowd would pay for a service like NewzBin, for example, although many don't, of course. But you get the idea.
Well I started this topic and I will summarize it.
Despite the opinion that it is all bullshit and it is just my imaginary interpretation of what happened you can see that many people who built this tracker from the beginning speak in a supportive to my argument manner.
AllAlone aka BlackSummer who is closely affiliated with Pedro tries to defend this already lost case. You lost all the community values of the site that was based upon such ideals. Old Pedro is done. These people are gonne.
And you won't build anything even close to what Pedro once was because your attitute and sick leadership needs are purely destructive. Now I guess there's nothing left to do but promote the Ruskie guys who upload counterfeit copies of retail CDs to VIPs. I really see no other choice.
You are healing your inferior complexes with the Godlike attitude on the Internet? Makes you feel respected and apprieciated? O Lord, that's sick.
And to your information AllAlone - I'm also Polish and I know what attitudes and values Pols present. You, along with pedro promote the ideas that make stereotypes about us as a nation TRUE which you should be really ashamed of.
And there is nothing wrong about making money. But keeping your profits under the table under the disguise of community driven society is just awful. Hope your wallets grow fat.
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Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu
I havent been a member of Pedro's for that long, so I may have missed it but I've been looking for it and so far I have not found the passage you refer to; the one where Pedro claims his base motivation for running the tracker is his wish to establish a community driven society. Maybe you can give me some pointers where I could find such a quote..
But for arguements sake, let's just assume Pedro is in it for the money, so what ??? Big deal.. If he makes some money off the tracker, good for him, if he makes a lot of money off it, better even, it doesn't harm me in any way as I personally still benefit of the trackes existence as well.. Lot of quatlity rips for the grabs and I don't even have to pay for it, doesn't mean I "Cant" donate but if I choose to do so it's my own choice..
So now you're making Pedro look like the big bad wolf only after the pennies in our wallet's but, like Pedro you are from Poland no ? Are the laws in poland different then in most western countries, meaning that it is legal to run a tracker sharing mostly copyrighted material ?? If it's not legal, isn't he the one most at risk. We all know the pirate bay story don't we ? Shouldn't Pedro be allowed for some financial compensation considdering possible legal repercussions he might face should things turn sour ?
And don't get me wrong, I'm trying real hard not to pick sides here as I really like and respect most of the "familiar" participants to this thread. I think the tracker has lost some great mods in Tut and Rollo, I for one will surely miss their contributions in the forums, on IRC and to the tracker in general. I was hoping it would be possible for both parties to come to the table and sort their differences out, but the way things have evolved now, that probably won't happen.. And apart from those two it seems more people have lost their accounts, and I will miss them all on the tracker.. Some of them I considder as friends and fortunately for me most of them are still active on another tracker so it's still possible for us to communicate.
Before you start speculating: yes I did creat my acount today, bu noone sent me here and no, I'm not blacksummer/VR. Most of you won't know me as I tend to keep things low profile but for the ones who still have access to the site, you can find me there using the same nick I use here.. This whole situation just saddens me, as I know it saddens a lot of the trackers members. Wish things were different and this whole issue wouldn't have grown so out of hand..
just my 2 cents,
Mill
I'd like to publically agree wholeheartedly with this post. :smilie4:Quote:
Originally Posted by millennium2kQuote:
Originally Posted by AkaiDoresu
I havent been a member of Pedro's for that long, so I may have missed it but I've been looking for it and so far I have not found the passage you refer to; the one where Pedro claims his base motivation for running the tracker is his wish to establish a community driven society. Maybe you can give me some pointers where I could find such a quote..
But for arguements sake, let's just assume Pedro is in it for the money, so what ??? Big deal.. If he makes some money off the tracker, good for him, if he makes a lot of money off it, better even, it doesn't harm me in any way as I personally still benefit of the trackes existence as well.. Lot of quatlity rips for the grabs and I don't even have to pay for it, doesn't mean I "Cant" donate but if I choose to do so it's my own choice..
So now you're making Pedro look like the big bad wolf only after the pennies in our wallet's but, like Pedro you are from Poland no ? Are the laws in poland different then in most western countries, meaning that it is legal to run a tracker sharing mostly copyrighted material ?? If it's not legal, isn't he the one most at risk. We all know the pirate bay story don't we ? Shouldn't Pedro be allowed for some financial compensation considdering possible legal repercussions he might face should things turn sour ?
And don't get me wrong, I'm trying real hard not to pick sides here as I really like and respect most of the "familiar" participants to this thread. I think the tracker has lost some great mods in Tut and Rollo, I for one will surely miss their contributions in the forums, on IRC and to the tracker in general. I was hoping it would be possible for both parties to come to the table and sort their differences out, but the way things have evolved now, that probably won't happen.. And apart from those two it seems more people have lost their accounts, and I will miss them all on the tracker.. Some of them I considder as friends and fortunately for me most of them are still active on another tracker so it's still possible for us to communicate.
Before you start speculating: yes I did creat my acount today, bu noone sent me here and no, I'm not blacksummer/VR. Most of you won't know me as I tend to keep things low profile but for the ones who still have access to the site, you can find me there using the same nick I use here.. This whole situation just saddens me, as I know it saddens a lot of the trackers members. Wish things were different and this whole issue wouldn't have grown so out of hand..
just my 2 cents,
Mill
That Pedro is in it for the money, okay. I could maybe live with. I was probably at peace with that thought the day I joined. Maybe this wouldn't even bother me too much today. But what I can't stand is deception, the bold faced lies. There you have an admin that tries to sell you she works hard for the well-being of the community and cares and it's all a "community site". She'll tell you it's been a year she was bringing up the overseeding problem and has been trying to come up with a solution to it. A YEAR. Then next thing she does is boot the only moderator that was actively tackling the problem, no explanations given. During that time she gets a seedbox because it's getting hard to seed anything... After firing that valued mod, yeah it's RolloTomasi I'm talking about of course, she asks her lapdog VR to start a decoy of a poll about overseeding asking uploaders their opinion about it. When 65 % of voters answer they're willing to establish a rule limiting overseeding she requires 75 % of uploaders to vote. Something that probably wouldn't happen. The poll back-fires, the situation heats up and couple of good people get booted. Nothing's ever gonna happen about overseeding at Pedro's. It fuels donations. You don't want to sacrifice your milking cow for the sake of the community, especially for the very part that's forced to donate due to ratio trouble. Okay, but then don't make your admin preech about community and "being there for the little guy" while you get rid of those trying to make your "community" and site a better place. That's jut plain wrong. Simple truths.
Wow, some people are more naive than I thought. FlacMonkey - good point.
I'd like to publically agree wholeheartedly with this post. :smilie4:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlacMonkey
It is good to see that there are some people left with values and respect for others. This is not about the money. It is about the means in which that money is obtained. I had almost given up on the P2P scene as it seemed it was no longer about sharing but rather what one can gain for themselves. Thanks to those who refrained from name calling and addressed the topic at hand. It shows me that there is hope and that, my friends, is a great thing :)
just a question to AkaiDoresu: are you still member of BTM ?
I'm not gonna answer this question. But this has to nothing to do with this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
To be honest, I barely got through the 20+ page discussion/debate, there was nothing inappropriate, people should be allowed to voice their opinion regardless. The uploaders do make the site, and they deserve a lot more respect than this.
ofc they're all about money. Idc though as long as they keep up their great work with the site and torrents
Their staffers are decent guys as well, so in my eyes they deserve that little pocket money they look up to
Sites like Bcg,Musicvids, TranceTraffic should do the same and start to profit imo. they deserve it
If you want money, you should get a goddamned job. Running a website that basically aids and abets breaking copyright laws doesn't make you worthy of a paycheck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
this has nothing to do with the thread but it can mean a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by AkaiDoresuI'm not gonna answer this question. But this has to nothing to do with this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
in the case you would still be a member of BTM, it would be obvious that you use FST as a 'spotlight' to bash and settle accounts with some guys in total anonimity in order to protect your membership there.
let me add that it would be totally nonsense after all you've said about Pedro's...
and in case he's not, you'll likely bash him for being a whiner or something else :S
no, i would find it legitimate and justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by squirr3l
New to this site but not new to the situation.
There are now posts at BTMusic condemning this thread and the users who have posted.
This discussion can't happen at Pedro's, its not allowed. And that in itself is the real problem. The members of Pedro's have no real voice. The people make a tracker, not the administrators and they have to have an open voice.
I agree open discussions should always be allowed. I think pedro failed to realize that when enough uploaders leave he won't have much left to sell. I have half a TB q'd if me and others were to leave a lot of torrents will fall off the tracker instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by toeknee
What next? They gonna burn books and destroy records? Nothing like censorship and modern-day Nazism.Quote:
Originally Posted by toeknee
That's an emphatic, "yes" in case you didn't know. :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by AkaiDoresuI'm not gonna answer this question. But this has to nothing to do with this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinephilia
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Originally Posted by tmacCan anyone get the big picture here, it doesn't matter...this is another torrent site of thousands, if you want to get your voice heard contact your local congressman.Quote:
Originally Posted by toeknee
Look folks, just download the torrent, seed it...if you dont like the way the site is constructed then dont be involved in the community or further yet, don't use your account.
That's exactly what it is. Just another big database to get flacs from. Forget about the community... if it ever was close to existing, it's dead. At least to me. Good they have a delete account button. But I didn't have to use it, P chose for me ;)
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What i dont understand is why anyone gives a crap about people with a slow connection. TOO bad, get a faster connection(or seedbox) or use a public tracker, or better yet upload your own music to build ratio.
All these uploaders bitching and making threats to no longer upload because some users chose not to have fast internet or upload anything is just plain stupid at this point.
You are aware that there are perfectly valid reasons why people may not be able to do these things, including, but not limited to, their ISP, availability, and the shit-tastic economy, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBlow
I would like to formally retract any statements I made defending those idiots. It's nonsense like that that only proves the other sides case. :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
Getting a faster connection is not always in the hands of the consumer. Well, who is not a sucker for high speeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBlow
I dont know anyone who would stick to a 36.6kbps dialup when there is FiOS available at a really good price.
Not everyone can shell out 50 odd dollars every month, especially in some countries, when the economy itself is definitely not doing well, and retaining jobs is becoming a one hell of a challenge.
If you cant afford a fast connection i have a simple solution....use public trackers that dont care about ratio! And what about uploading your own music? Why dont small pipers become uploaders, i see a lot of complainers about ratio are not uploaders.
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Originally Posted by JoeBlow
Grow up kid, and look around.
+1. 'nuf has been said already. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TP635Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBlow
Grow up kid, and look around.