Does ratio cheating cause any damage to a tracker?

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

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Originally Posted by Menteur

I thought about it, doesn't make any harm as far as I see.
Well, first of all, leeching a lot is not an excuse, secondly, I can't help if others are willing to pay for filesharing or whatever decision they make.
And for my bandwidth's sake, I have a fast connection down, not up.

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So you don't have a fast line up, but still ratiocheating 1TB was enough to keep you a healthy buffer allowing you to download, what was it you said? 1TB a month minus the free leech, so at 3/4 counted and let's say half free leech, we still have at least 9TB - the 1TB you cheated, making 8TB uploaded in two years without counting buffer. Bad line my ass.

Or are you just making up numbers as you go along?

note: that 3/4 is for simplicity sake as that wasn't in effect until less than 1 1/2 year ago.

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Don't be narrow minded. Other trackers and sources exist too, remember?
Ftn for example, that's the one I use most.

Besides the obvious moral side of the question, i haven't seen anyone saying objectively where it hurts the tracker.

here goes: when a user is cheating, it means he isn't uploading what he should to complete his ratio. that means that when a new user joins the swarm to download the same file, it will be the other seeders who will feed him, meaning they will much easily accomplish their 1:1 ratio on that torrent. This all means that for the other users, that tracker is easier to seed on.
and if it is easier to seed on, it's one less reason to donate, so they don't have to buy upload credit.
so the tracker makes less money.
and trackers are about money. or at least they need it too.
and that's how life goes.

Cheating is bad, for the torrent, its peers, and the tracker as a whole. The ripple effect doesn't stop when you stop cheating.

Interesting subject Menteur. Sharing spirit is important for every tracker.
It would be interesting to see a thread like that in a tracker's forum :P

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Originally Posted by Menteur

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I normally download about 1tb in a month.
When I'm on a leechingspree I download 1tb in less than a week, and I have less than 10mbit down speed.

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You either sell what you download or do it for fun, no one can watch/use that much shit every month. Plus you must have a shitload of 1TB HDD's.

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Originally Posted by Menteur

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

So you don't have a fast line up, but still ratiocheating 1TB was enough to keep you a healthy buffer allowing you to download, what was it you said? 1TB a month minus the free leech, so at 3/4 counted and let's say half free leech, we still have at least 9TB - the 1TB you cheated, making 8TB uploaded in two years without counting buffer. Bad line my ass.

Or are you just making up numbers as you go along?

note: that 3/4 is for simplicity sake as that wasn't in effect until less than 1 1/2 year ago.

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Don't be narrow minded. Other trackers and sources exist too, remember?
Ftn for example, that's the one I use most.

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Oh I get it.. So those TB's of data you made it seem like you uploaded "to help others" they are nonexistant.

Why didn't you mention before this, that you just rape free leech trackers and your massive download habits had zero to do with the 1TB cheated buffer.

You are quite amusing. You know that, right?

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Originally Posted by night0wl

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Originally Posted by menteur

don't be narrow minded. Other trackers and sources exist too, remember?
Ftn for example, that's the one i use most.

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oh i get it.. So those tb's of data you made it seem like you uploaded "to help others" they are nonexistant.

Why didn't you mention before this, that you just rape free leech trackers and your massive download habits had zero to do with the 1tb cheated buffer.

You are quite amusing. You know that, right?

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lmao!! Pwned

ratio cheaters are scum end of story!

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Originally Posted by whiteboy

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Originally Posted by Menteur

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I normally download about 1tb in a month.
When I'm on a leechingspree I download 1tb in less than a week, and I have less than 10mbit down speed.

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You either sell what you download or do it for fun, no one can watch/use that much shit every month. Plus you must have a shitload of 1TB HDD's.

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i'd go with selling.silvers are big biz,that's the only logical explanation.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6...tshirtp235.jpg

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

Oh I get it.. So those TB's of data you made it seem like you uploaded "to help others" they are nonexistant.

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No you don't get it. And they aren't nonexistant.

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

Why didn't you mention before this, that you just rape free leech trackers.

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Because it has nothing to do with the topic. :)

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

You are quite amusing. You know that, right?

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Yes, I'm aware of it thank you.
I can say the same thing about you. At Bcc your attitude is totally different and your posts are tremendously polite in comparison to here. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

Besides the obvious moral side of the question, i haven't seen anyone saying objectively where it hurts the tracker.

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the moral side is the only one that is of concern.

it's injecting upload that does not exist into the system. the same thing happens when a tracker sells upload credit to users.

one is permitted, one is not.

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Originally Posted by Menteur

Yes, I'm aware of it thank you.
I can say the same thing about you. At Bcc your attitude is totally different and your posts are tremendously polite in comparison to here. :lol:

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Maybe check your sources. I am not a member of BCC. Was, but not for several months now. Nor do I want to be.

What's BCC?

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

What's BCC?

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http://www.bccforums.org.uk/lgb/page5.html

lmao...I think the real question behind this thread should be is what other nicks does Menteur use.

Nice job at shit stirring very PBesc. So you want to tell us who you 'really' are :P

You still haven't reply to my question Menteur: How long do you seed the torrents you download from a tracker you have been cheating on? I bet it's not 1:1, is it?

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Originally Posted by sear

lmao...I think the real question behind this thread should be is what other nicks does Menteur use.

Nice job at shit stirring very PBesc. So you want to tell us who you 'really' are :P

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I hate nom de plumes and duplicity in all it's guises even more that I hate a Liar with a Pinocchio nez.
If that's possible.

I assume by PB you mean Peanut Butter ( although Pea Brained may also apply)

I also hate people who think that they are smarter than everyone else and Shia LaBeouf

lol...who's Shia LaBeouf?

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never mind I just googled it. I quite liked him in Transformers funny name aside he seems fine what's with the hate?

Call me old fashion but I really do hate duplicity .The reason for the rest can be found here .Particularly number deux. (Although it's debatable)

http://www.thereasonformyirrationalhate/com?topic

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Originally Posted by sear

what's with the hate?

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He wants to bang his mom, and that's well beyond creepy.

At this moment my Mom's in the hospital maybe never to recover.
Perhaps next time you should consider thinking before opening your mouth.

If I am a mod here I would just give out his ip to all trackers. This guy is the worst of its kind as far as torrenting is concern.

I think they are ahead of you.. at least some. Way before this thread. Unless I'm highly mistaken who this is.

Cheating basically has the same effect as people using seedboxes to download freeleech packs and then drop then right away because they've made a ratio greater than 1. It's completely inexcusable, and should be dealt with with an ban/ip ban imo. The whole point of a ratio system is to prevent people from getting a free ride on the tails of other users.

edit: I meant ban for cheating, not seedbox usage. sb-ing packs like that isn't very good but as long as the users don't use the buffer's to hit and run it's not a problem.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

At this moment my Mom's in the hospital maybe never to recover.
Perhaps next time you should consider thinking before opening your mouth.

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I meant Shia LaBeouf, you dick. How about not being so egocentric? Might help you do your job properly. Perhaps consider not thinking that you are the center of the fucking universe.

Read this if you can find the time to do so when the sun is not rising and setting on your ass.

Perhaps I should air some information that I was given and then maybe you wouldn't be so smug.

And thanks for the concern about my mother .

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Originally Posted by Paracetamol

Read this if you can find the time to do so when the sun is not rising and setting on your ass.

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What's that woman doing with Justin Timberlake? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Perhaps I should air some information that I was given and then maybe you wouldn't be so smug.

And thanks for the concern about my mother .

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Your mother is not my problem, and if you have something that you want to tell me, my PM box is very nearly empty. Also, thanks for the infraction. I can't say that I really care. Your definition of "hostile posting" is my definition of "how I talk to people I don't know in public." Regardless, the entire thing is your fault for not being able to read.

/nvm...except 4 the douche part

Cheating is the opposite of Sharing .That's all

Good morning. I see my thread's been filled with spam. Way to go! :)

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Originally Posted by sear

lmao...I think the real question behind this thread should be is what other nicks does Menteur use.

Nice job at shit stirring very PBesc. So you want to tell us who you 'really' are :P

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Why do you want to know my other nicks? Are you trying to get me banned from trackers? :rolleyes:
Also, what is "pbesc"? Can't find it in my dictionary.

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Originally Posted by zetah

Cheating is the opposite of Sharing .That's all

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It's far from the opposite. Do you even know what opposite means?

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Originally Posted by Roooney

You still haven't reply to my question Menteur: How long do you seed the torrents you download from a tracker you have been cheating on? I bet it's not 1:1, is it?

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Let's try a third time, shall we?

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Originally Posted by Roooney

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Originally Posted by Roooney

You still haven't reply to my question Menteur: How long do you seed the torrents you download from a tracker you have been cheating on? I bet it's not 1:1, is it?

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Let's try a third time, shall we?

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I intentionally ignored your posts twice since your question has nothing to do with the topic. It's none of your concerns either for that matter.
But this time I will be polite and answer your question to quit your whining.

Q: How long do you seed the torrents you download from a tracker you have been cheating on? I bet it's not 1:1, is it?

A: I seed all torrents exactly 1 minute, then I remove them from my bittorrent client.
No really, it variates. All torrents stays in my bittorrent client until I do something with it.
If I seed a 1080p movie then I keep seeding it until I've watched it, and then I remove it. DVD-r movies keep seeding until I've burned them to dvds etc. Can be hours, can be days, can be weeks - it variates as I mentioned.
And for the 1:1 thing, sometimes I make it, mostly I don't.
Though I always fullfill the minimum seeding time. ;)

Variate is a noun.

This has to do with your post so this is applicable to the topic.

Won't hurt it, but do so at your own peril. You can get banned with no chance in hell of returning. It's pretty much like leeching as you've said and you know already that sites that have more leechers then seeders is not a good thing, but it's not something that's out of control for the top rated trackers so it's not really going to hurt them. It pretty much goes down to being unethical.

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Originally Posted by Menteur

Why do you want to know my other nicks? Are you trying to get me banned from trackers?.

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lol...no I was just curious as to what other nicks you use as clearly this isn't your first account here :shifty:

As for the spam get over it this is FST it's full of spam as I'm sure you know from experience. If I feel like spamming this thread I will unless staff here ask me not to.

he is clearly a dupe account of predateur.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Variate is a noun.

This has to do with your post so this is applicable to the topic.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

he is clearly a dupe account of predateur.

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Four of the last letters match, that means I must be predateur.
You're a good detective, Cabalo. :noes:

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Originally Posted by sear

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Originally Posted by Menteur

Why do you want to know my other nicks? Are you trying to get me banned from trackers?.

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lol...no I was just curious as to what other nicks you use as clearly this isn't your first account here :shifty:

As for the spam get over it this is FST it's full of spam as I'm sure you know from experience. If I feel like spamming this thread I will unless staff here ask me not to.

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You're right, sir. This is not my first account, neither my last one I suppose. I love this forum, but the entire site and its members hate me back so I keep coming here with new accounts every once in a while in attempts to be accepted - but I always manage to mess it up and have everyone hating me sooner or later. :rolleyes:

can't believe i missed this thread.. :unsure:
Judging by the previous posts of menteur:
If you are really proud of your actions,and willing to defend it to such an extent,in case of being attacked, why did you even bother creating such a thread?
I guess you have started this thread to gather some support from people lame enough to ratio cheat. (The thought of getting banned does perturb ya..doesn't it?)

anyway, back to topic.
Yes, ratio cheating does harm a tracker as cheaters like you can get away after hitting on a torrent, and running away after its done. (With fake upload stats and decreasing a torrent's life)

On the other hand, the peers who join the swarm later have a better chance of getting a 1:1 ratio, coz a lazy douche like you is contented with cheating and falsely upping a TB.

If you can leech a TB in a week (Your download speeds are good, which means your upload speeds have got to be decent enough as well.) and still have to fake your uploaded amount, you are a disgrace to any tracker you are a part of.
Stick to public trackers. :frusty:

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Originally Posted by Menteur

In other words, by cheating and then leeching a lot, you improve the activity on a tracker, right?

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well you could leech from a other tracker and seeding a lot on your second tracker. so you don't need to cheat but honestly I am not sure because I like your idea and can't tell you really my opinion. There are some pro and some contra arguments but you shouldn't cheat. try it without cheating and your are secure, I mean you could lose your account and you can't tell a reason like "but I'll help after cheat" you know? I hope you understand me butit was a different idea of cheating on a bitorrent tracker..mosty cheaters are cheating and leeching all the time ..