I decide never to trade again~~``

I'm not so cynical yet, but it will be interesting to see how I feel in a year.

And don't get me wrong... I am certainly not advocating instant redemption. I would not give a "trader" a second chance until he has been a "good" community member (see my first post in this thread) for several months. Redemption is EARNED, not given!

Edit- or perhaps a couple of months that show strong commitment to this community.

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spare yourself the embarrassment. Create a new account. :lol:

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then flame yourself with your new found identity.

Good for you. What made you stop trading? Maybe you could give some advice on here to make other people stop trading aswell.

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What made you stop trading?

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probably didn't have anything worth trading...so when that didn't work gave this a shot~~``

a wise decision indeed, I must say =/

I didnt trade ever. Sp wtf, I should feel like op is > me?
What's point of this thread?

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I didnt trade ever. Sp wtf, I should feel like op is > me?
What's point of this thread?

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If you trade they will get YOU!!!!:shutup:

http://tinyurl.com/nbe5ck

Honestly was it really necessary to make a whole thread here?~~~

What trackers are you still with?

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WHAT!!!!! Some one has done changed the game. What happened to the old tried and true method of registering another username then using both usernames to have a flaming war over some invites, where the new virtuous username wins and banishes the trader known as: superkiller1

There's still time....its never too late!!!

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:lol:

looks like this was his non trading account anyway i'll be expecting a post about how good he is soon...lol.

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Good for you. What made you stop trading? Maybe you could give some advice on here to make other people stop trading aswell.

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He has been banned from almost every tracker he was apart of.

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Good for you. What made you stop trading? Maybe you could give some advice on here to make other people stop trading aswell.

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He has been banned from almost every tracker he was apart of.

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If that is true, redemption could be a looooooong ways away. :)

If he chooses to change, he can use public trackers until some new open sign-ups come along. Hopefully he has learned a big enough lesson and will follow the rules when he does get on some new private trackers.

I still wish him luck and encourage him to be a "good" and active community member where ever he is.

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He has been banned from almost every tracker he was apart of.

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If he chooses to change, he can use public trackers until some new open sign-ups come along.

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Oh, cut the sh!t with this globan ban thing. Stop making childish posts like: dude, you got banned on the l33t X tracker. Now you will banned for life from the interweb from all your trackers. Like the Y tracker with 999k users gives a sh!t for that guy and what it had done.

So this 'global' ban works only on the few elite/high level trackers which you see on the WTAW thread and on those l33t wannabe ones.
Because those l33t ( and calling them l33t it's not a mocking ), so those l33t trackers are concerned about security, so a guy who trade or whatever he does which breaks their rules, it's a secury hole and it will be purged, and for the sake of security will inform their p2p friends about this.

So, these guys who promote the global ban are just kidz who wants their dream trackers, and those trackers are as high as it could be posible on the WTAW thread.

As for this guy who started this thread, it's childish what he is doing and maybe even making fun of you with this topic.
No one cares that you stoped / reloaded trading, no one but the guy who you will PM next time for an invite.

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Originally Posted by superkiller1

hoping to get some supports~~~~~~~

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What can I do for you son ~~~~~~~~

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lol

See that's more likely. Give the guy some support. He's not a trader anymore! :lol:

i think many ppl here dont like trading,me as well. Regarding your sincere words,i will give you my support :)

http://createdbyraphael.com/arstechn...motivation.PNG

Nice.

ok. GL..
I think it's only an trick... to get harder invites :)

p.s
good idea.

I didnt trade,and will not
-I have got nothing to trade

well i was banned from ptn and revtt.

that's nice to know. hell, I've never traded, never will. :)
I grateful I was schooled well when I was introduced to private trackers.

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well i was banned from ptn and revtt.

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With this last bit of info, I have to agree with an earlier suggestion(s) to drop the nick, drop the emails, change ip and what ever.
Only time will tell if your making a genuine attempt to change...

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Only time will tell if he is sincere or not. I try to encourage people to make good decisions and to be good community members. I don't think he will successfully trick anyone. Most of us are pretty good about reading previous posts. As far as I am concerned, the guy gets one shot to redeem himself.

I do know that mocking the guy's efforts won't help him stick to his resolve. If he stops trading and the non-traders don't give any indication that they will support his "good" decision, he will have no choice but to return to trading.

I am very much anti-trading and believe it is worthwhile to get people to stop. I have contacted a couple of very new members who did not think there was anything wrong with it because "there is a whole section devoted to trading". When they realized that many members here frown upon it, they immediately recanted.

Maybe I sound like a noob, but I try to treat people on the "internets" the same way I would IRL. I may get burned occasionally, but that happens to everyone but the harshest of cynics.

And really, I won't have to devote ANY time to "monitoring" his actions. If he goes against his pledge, SOMEONE WILL NAIL HIM ON IT!

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btw, trading is not a illness.

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btw, trading is not a illness.

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No it isn't. Many of us believe it is a bad behavior and it weakens the BT community. We all respond to the action differently. Some people act as "watchdogs" and report to others that the member is a "trader" and, therefore, not worthy of a gift invite. Others, such as myself, tend to encourage "good" behaviors and try to sway these members towards more community oriented actions.

There are two views at play here. The first looks at the "trader" as a bad person who is not worthy of being in the community. The second looks at the actions of the member. We may not like these actions, but we can still hold out hope that the individual(s) will want to change.

I am 37 and know that I have changed a lot since I was in my teens and twenties. I don't believe I was ever a "bad" person, but I made many, many mistakes and did things that I would not even consider doing now. I try to see others as having the same potential.

Again, I want to stress that redemption is something that is earned, not given. The individual holds much of the decision power in his/her own hands. It is then up to the community to decide if that member is genuine or not.

It is not enough to simply stop doing the objectionable action. Individuals who have violated community trust typically have to atone for their wrong doings. Again, it is up to the individual to take these positive steps and then it is up to the community to judge if they are genuine.

Redemption is a great topic to study. It has been around since the New Testament (and I imagine much earlier). It is a very common theme in both modern and classic literature. It is also frequently used television, and movies. The characters portrayed are almost always central to the story because they are dynamic (learning) and not static (unchanging). Even though a character learns something from his conflicts it does not mean that he will be successful or forgiven.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

If he chooses to change, he can use public trackers until some new open sign-ups come along.

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Oh, cut the sh!t with this globan ban thing. Stop making childish posts like: dude, you got banned on the l33t X tracker. Now you will banned for life from the interweb from all your trackers. Like the Y tracker with 999k users gives a sh!t for that guy and what it had done.

So this 'global' ban works only on the few elite/high level trackers which you see on the WTAW thread and on those l33t wannabe ones.
Because those l33t ( and calling them l33t it's not a mocking ), so those l33t trackers are concerned about security, so a guy who trade or whatever he does which breaks their rules, it's a secury hole and it will be purged, and for the sake of security will inform their p2p friends about this.

So, these guys who promote the global ban are just kidz who wants their dream trackers, and those trackers are as high as it could be posible on the WTAW thread.

As for this guy who started this thread, it's childish what he is doing and maybe even making fun of you with this topic.
No one cares that you stoped / reloaded trading, no one but the guy who you will PM next time for an invite.

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Again, I want to stress that redemption is something that is earned, not given. The individual holds much of the decision power in his/her own hands. It is then up to the community to decide if that member is genuine or not.

It is not enough to simply stop doing the objectionable action. Individuals who have violated community trust typically have to atone for their wrong doings. Again, it is up to the individual to take these positive steps and then it is up to the community to see if they are genuine.

Redemption is a great topic to study. It has been around ever since man started to gather in groups and form communities. It is a very common theme in both modern and classic literature. It is also frequently used television, and movies. The characters portrayed are almost always central to the story because they are dynamic (learning) and not static (unchanging). Even though a character learns something from his conflicts it does not mean that he will be successful or forgiven.

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The act of redemption is not as important ( certainly in most movies and literature ) as the journey necessary to get one there.
That's why I don't think the word applies ( in a specific sense at least ) to being reinstated into trackers.

True redemption requires fundamental life altering change . It requires soul-searching and sacrifice .
It is a word of significance and to be used lightly.

Simply deciding that trading is counterproductive to one's e status and therefore stopping ( and hoping to be forgiven ) is hardly the same as ( for example) the trials faced by Andy Dufresne in The Shawshank Redemption as he struggles to reclaim his existential humanity.

I won't read through the posts here, as there are too many. My reply is based on the first post and nothing else.

It's too bad you used to trade as it's a very bad thing. But at least you realized that so I'll give you credits for that. I hope more traders will follow you and quit trading. Get friends instead, then you'll automatically get invites as you become good friends with people. Get involved in forums and IRC. Be nice. Don't troll/cheat/trade. Follow the site rules. And you will get invited - without trading. :)

Good points, IdolEyes. I don't think that we can hope to be the catalyst for life-changing notions of purpose and self actualization. :)And changes that occur with members here are unlikely to even get anyone re-instated on trackers that they have broken rules on (unless one of the admins/mods is also a member and forgives them).

What we can do here is help members of this site be better members of the BT community.

If we are not here to be part of a strong community, what are we here for? I have only been here for a few months and I have all of the accounts that I am (currently) interested in. I believe that is the case for a lot of the "regulars" here. I consider myself a "regular" because I am here daily and believe that I am (on at least a minimal level) contributing.

My point in all of this is that we should not write people off permanently because they, for a period of time, made mistakes. I believe there is the possibility of redemption in most communities. If someone wants to sincerely make the effort to change (and even atone for those indiscretions) we should support those changes.

I do not believe I am using the term lightly. I am, however, extending the term to a level that is applicable to our community.

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My point in all of this is that we should not write people off permanently because they, for a period of time, made mistakes. I believe there is the possibility of redemption in most communities. If someone wants to sincerely make the effort to change (and even atone for those indiscretions) we should support those changes.

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Totally agree with that .No one is infallible and true wisdom is only gained from learning from mistakes.

Still it's not really a question of forgiveness but rather a question of trust.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

Again, I want to stress that redemption is something that is earned, not given. The individual holds much of the decision power in his/her own hands. It is then up to the community to decide if that member is genuine or not.

It is not enough to simply stop doing the objectionable action. Individuals who have violated community trust typically have to atone for their wrong doings. Again, it is up to the individual to take these positive steps and then it is up to the community to see if they are genuine.

Redemption is a great topic to study. It has been around ever since man started to gather in groups and form communities. It is a very common theme in both modern and classic literature. It is also frequently used television, and movies. The characters portrayed are almost always central to the story because they are dynamic (learning) and not static (unchanging). Even though a character learns something from his conflicts it does not mean that he will be successful or forgiven.

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The act of redemption is not as important ( certainly in most movies and literature ) as the journey necessary to get one there.
That's why I don't think the word applies ( in a specific sense at least ) to being reinstated into trackers.

True redemption requires fundamental life altering change . It requires soul-searching and sacrifice .
It is a word of significance and to be used lightly.

Simply deciding that trading is counterproductive to one's e status and therefore stopping ( and hoping to be forgiven ) is hardly the same as ( for example) the trials faced by Andy Dufresne in The Shawshank Redemption as he struggles to reclaim his existential humanity.

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your my hero for bringing TSR into this discussion.
That movie warms my heart <3 <3 <3

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No one is infallible and true wisdom is only gained from learning from mistakes.

Still it's not really a question of forgiveness but rather a question of trust.

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Trust is the outcome of seeing that individual make the changes and hopefully atone (an act, or acts, that show sincerity). As you mentioned, the journey is key here because unless we (the community) get to see the changes, we will not have any reason to believe that the person has changed.

I still believe that forgiveness plays a part because the individual has done something that ran counter to the community. They have committed a violation. Some members will forgive the act, others will not consider the possibility.

@MBM,I think everything you said is correct and its generally what should happen,i don't see why people shouldn't be allowed a second chance,a while back i decided to steer clear of these to trade v/s not to trade debates coz they weren't helping any course and if anything they just provided an avenue for people to bash the other side.Interestingly though this other side barely contributed to these threads making them even the more pointless and basically just a monologue of sorts to increase post count and for some people to SCREAM!! out in public that they weren't traders as much as we wouldn't know what they were in private.Some were even doing it for the sake of reps on other forums(and even linked their insults in their sigs ''I anti trader,i abuse them bad on FST,click here for proof'')

As of my opinion,trading is wrong but if you ask me,i'd be more inclined to listen to the preach who tells me if you change your ways you'll have a good after life than the preach who tells me if i don't change my ways i'll fucking burn in hell for eternity.This gospel of doom just doesn't work.

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I won't read through the posts here, as there are too many. My reply is based on the first post and nothing else.

It's too bad you used to trade as it's a very bad thing. But at least you realized that so I'll give you credits for that. I hope more traders will follow you and quit trading. Get friends instead, then you'll automatically get invites as you become good friends with people. Get involved in forums and IRC. Be nice. Don't troll/cheat/trade. Follow the site rules. And you will get invited - without trading. :)

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lol@"get friends" recommendation..
pretty amusing how people always encourage inexperienced torrentusers to make friends in order to get invites (and not for friendship's sake)..

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Originally Posted by Qlix

I won't read through the posts here, as there are too many. My reply is based on the first post and nothing else.

It's too bad you used to trade as it's a very bad thing. But at least you realized that so I'll give you credits for that. I hope more traders will follow you and quit trading. Get friends instead, then you'll automatically get invites as you become good friends with people. Get involved in forums and IRC. Be nice. Don't troll/cheat/trade. Follow the site rules. And you will get invited - without trading. :)

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lol@"get friends" recommendation..
pretty amusing how people always encourage inexperienced torrentusers to make friends in order to get invites (and not for friendship's sake)..

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Qlix is an experienced bittorrent user. If your goal is to join all the best trackers there is, I suggest you to follow Qlix's footsteps.

True story. :yes:

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Qlix is an experienced bittorrent user. If your goal is to join all the best trackers there is, I suggest you to follow Qlix's footsteps.

True story. :yes:

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Best trackers? Is this a consensus thing or is individual taste still factored in?




Or are we going by purely empirical measurement?

The point of private BT trackers has gone out the window, with users trading invites to get into the 'best' trackers.

Now the 'best' trackers are full of insecure users.

Thank you traders!

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

The point of private BT trackers has gone out the window, with users trading invites to get into the 'best' trackers.

Now the 'best' trackers are full of insecure users.

Thank you traders!

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+1.. its sad though.. :unsure:

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Qlix is an experienced bittorrent user. If your goal is to join all the best trackers there is, I suggest you to follow Qlix's footsteps.

True story. :yes:

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Qlix added to buddylist :pimp:

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

The point of private BT trackers has gone out the window, with users trading invites to get into the 'best' trackers.

Now the 'best' trackers are full of insecure users.

Thank you traders!

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+1.. its sad though.. :unsure:

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and one of the reasons why traders want to get "best trackers" is because its members keep saying this tracker is the best and only filled with l33t and experience people...if u are just ordinary and common like most members. you cant join it..

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The point of private BT trackers has gone out the window, with users trading invites to get into the 'best' trackers.

Now the 'best' trackers are full of insecure users.

Thank you traders!

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the best trackers include for example TL, and it's not because of traders that it is insecure. :ermm:

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Originally Posted by Zip

Qlix is an experienced bittorrent user. If your goal is to join all the best trackers there is, I suggest you to follow Qlix's footsteps.

True story. :yes:

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Best trackers? Is this a consensus thing or is individual taste still factored in?




Or are we going by purely empirical measurement?

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I mean highlevels. :mellow:

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The point of private BT trackers has gone out the window, with users trading invites to get into the 'best' trackers.

Now the 'best' trackers are full of insecure users.

Thank you traders!

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You're welcome! In my experience all of the accounts I traded away were deleted and I never opened nor used the accounts I traded for so presumably they've been pruned as well. I was just getting rid of them really, so that means one less insecure user on each of those sites.