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Lol its not self-centered. I am not even talking about myself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckater
I just don't see the need for them when there are sites like SCC that are not that hard to get on if you are a good person and give an effort on sites that will give you access to them.
We aren't talking about communities here. That has nothing to do with the sites content.
Again, not everyone can get into those sites either. The truth is, most of the more desirable sites allow entry based on your merits( the level of skill to be determined by your inviter) and if you are at the bottom of the ladder, you must demonstrate an avid nature toward BT in general to get most people to "risk" their invite privileges due to the need for proof that someone will be a good user.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473Everybody on What.cd and Waffles can get on SCC. Everyone on HDBits can get on GFT. It really isnt that hard to get into TL or RevTT or PTM which don't have the best pre times but get everything in a respectable amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
It's a vicious cycle that has been a major detriment to the entirety of BT imho. If you don't feel the desire to download massive amounts of data you don't care about, you are much less likely to be able to get the trust necessary to gain entry, barring the social aspect that is the only recourse for the folks with no money for seedboxes or invites.
On FST right now I don't think many people trust other people anymore which I completely understand. It really isn't like it used to be. Other sites like TPS and TR however have really great communities that will be a little more trusting if you are active there and show them that you are worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1tAgain, not everyone can get into those sites either. The truth is, most of the more desirable sites allow entry based on your merits( the level of skill to be determined by your inviter) and if you are at the bottom of the ladder, you must demonstrate an avid nature toward BT in general to get most people to "risk" their invite privileges due to the need for proof that someone will be a good user.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
It's a vicious cycle that has been a major detriment to the entirety of BT imho. If you don't feel the desire to download massive amounts of data you don't care about, you are much less likely to be able to get the trust necessary to gain entry, barring the social aspect that is the only recourse for the folks with no money for seedboxes or invites.
Sorry self centered was bit OTTQuote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
Yes people may be able get into scc, tl, rev, ipt etc quiet easily but some of the people on the sites you are on about want to be on them sites for the community and dont want to trawl around a lot of sites for torrents so request them at the smaller lesser known ones.
Plus who are we to tell people that they should get onto those trackers?
Also with the amount of small trackers about these days I dont think getting rid of them all is gonna be possible as the trackers you mentioned could not cope with all the people on them.
By the way what size/type of site would you say should go.
Be involved with a smaller site I am wondering if it fits into the catagory of ones you would close?
Absolutely 100% true on that statement.The sites I've dropped over the years, are the very same sites that most of the bittards are just drooling over to get in and it makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckater
Pre-times.. c'mon you guys. Who gives a rats turd whether you get a rip 5 mins after release or 6. Does that make a site good??? Seriously. How often do we really care, or need, to have something on the second. Death and birth are about the only things where precise time matters. The rest is discretionary ;)
I am speaking beyond FST tbh. I agree about TPS and TR being nice places, but they still encourage that meritorious system of trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473On FST right now I don't think many people trust other people anymore which I completely understand. It really isn't like it used to be. Other sites like TPS and TR however have really great communities that will be a little more trusting if you are active there and show them that you are worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
Wouldn't it be lovely if we could just say "hey, I'd like to invite you to www.insert-random-site-here.com" instead of "Hey, I'd like to invite you to www.insert-random-site-here.com, BUT, I need some proof that you are a great user and will reflect positively on me with your activity on that site, and I also need proof that you aren't a trader/cheater/dupe/seller or disliked by anyone who can put the brakes on my personal bt career."
You hit the nail on the head with the end of your statement my personal bt career. to many members of trackers see it almost like a career when to me it is a hobby, there are far more import things in llife than BT :)
That would be nice but that is not reality. It is really a simple ladder system. You have to climb each step along the way in order to get where you want to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1tI am speaking beyond FST tbh. I agree about TPS and TR being nice places, but they still encourage that meritorious system of trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
Wouldn't it be lovely if we could just say "hey, I'd like to invite you to www.insert-random-site-here.com" instead of "Hey, I'd like to invite you to www.insert-random-site-here.com, BUT, I need some proof that you are a great user and will reflect positively on me with your activity on that site, and I also need proof that you aren't a trader/cheater/dupe/seller or disliked by anyone who can put the brakes on my personal bt career."
I learned that like most other people. I requested sites that I "wanted" but knew it was going to be a long shot and guess what I didn't get them. I got them from making a few good friends and making sure that I was a good user on sites so I would have access to their invite forums.
^^ I wish it were that simple, seriously, but I've been stung in an invite tree before because of bad choices by someone within the chain, and if the site has a scorched earth policy in relation to invites, I will definitely be cautious. Not because my membership is all precious and means the world to me. I have perspective on this issue; but I have enough respect for others that may be affected by my choices, and in that regard I'm not ready to hand out invites with a randomness of candy at Halloween.
And that was my original point, regarding why the smaller, slower sites need to exist. So the guys at the bottom of the ladder can start somewhere. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
Before I had several issues and was away from the BT scene for about 9 months I was a member of a few of the so called 1337 sites and was on them b4 I even joined here or any sort of site like here, in fact at the time I was mostly using the sites that you are saying should be closed down, lot of the members on those so called sites you want to close down dont use places like here probably only a member of a few of those sorts of trackers and do not require anything else so why should they close?
Okay, please close this thread because I was able to get what I wanted! It looks like I can't close it myself using the thread tools, even though someone here said the "thread tools" gives you the option of closing a thread.
You should be starting at either IPT, TL, PTM, RevTT or TB. That is plenty to choose from and all easily got.
Next start being active at either FST, TPS or TR and make friends/ good posts.
Next use proofs from those starter sites for something like What.cd and Waffles.
Finally build up your ratio on the sites by uploading 0day and new music in order to be promoted to poweruser. Go to the poweruser forums to take advantage of all they have to offer.
There is no point in keeping this thread open because I was invited to ScT after requesting an invite on a private tracker forum. Please close it.
Sorry m8, the balloon appears to have left the ground in so far as this thread. Interesting convo though, you have to grant it that
Congrats on your invite. Do post back in a few months time and tell us if it's all what you thought it was, and if you really are happy with what you found. Cheers :)
1: You saying we should close down our tracker that is about 75% 0day stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
2: Do you realise how many trackers there are about that have over say 4,000 members?
I will admit some of those members will be on a few of the smaller trackers.
I also feel you have not looked at the smaller/lesser known trackers and if you did you would realise how much need there is for them :)
Thanks. Yes, in a few months, I will describe my experience there.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
Well I don;t know anything about your tracker. But if it is a 0day site and not really anything else then I don;t see the point as said before. If it is more specialized and has a focus then I am all for it. A site with a purpose and focus is somthing I always respect because certain people will fit in there and possibly create a good community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckater1: You saying we should close down our tracker that is about 75% 0day stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
2: Do you realise how many trackers there are about that have over say 4,000 members?
I will admit some of those members will be on a few of the smaller trackers.
I also feel you have not looked at the smaller/lesser known trackers and if you did you would realise how much need there is for them :)
However if it is a site trying to be another TL or SCT with no access to fast pre times then yes I think it should just go away.
pre-times.. pre-times... i want to slit my wrists.
What is the big deal, seriously. Can someone answer that. I ask not to be a jerk. I have never quite figured out the appeal of pre-times and why it matters that one site is a minute faster than another ergo its a better site.
sorry to hijack the thread, but I've heard pre-times lauded so many times, and I just don't get it???
25% is mma with over a 1000 snatches on aff's release of ufc 103
Our pre times aint bad and no we not get a lot of our stuff from other torrent sites
But I do think you should at least visit some of the smaller sites and see the community spirit they have as well as some of the non scene stuff they upload even if it is only a small percentage of there uploads before making comments that they should be closed as no need, when there is a real need which by visiting a few and spending some time you will see what I mean :)
No offence ment m8 but how can you comment that sites that are nearly all 0day stuff should close when ones I go on are more of a community (and that applies to 90+%) of the smaller lesser known site. There is a real need for them on that fromt :)
Well often with good pre-times comes the fact that the site is hooked up to an auto. If it is on an auto it will miss very little 0day content and you will have access to everything as it is released. If a site is generally not on an auto it is prone to miss some things and it is just generally a bunch of uploaders grabbing things over at other sites and putting them up on their own whenever they feel like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
I agree m8, what I find worse is the amount of people who wants be on 1337 trackers or boast they are on 1337 trackers. What gets to me more than anything tho are the ones that say they want a xxx 1337 tracker for the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
What a crock of :shit: that is I mean how can they know what a community is to there liking before going on the site. Also to me the lesser known non 1337 sites I go on have far superiour communities than most the trackers mentioned in this thread so far.
And maybe we should start a thread 1337 tracker communities vs. lesser known tracker communities
exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473
Good Luck
[QUOTE=hotshot6473;3294063]Worthy of what ? I hope that you are talking about trust because otherwise you sound a little silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
I agree the torrent contains the same thing whether you have access to it today ,tomorrow or a week from now.Nothing lost nothing altered ,it isn't the least bit better for being available a little sooner.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
In fact if anything the delay gives you a better chance to determine if you really want to view/play it.
that would result in a surge in solicited PMs, and crappy requests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckater
that'd be fun..:lol:
So I can watch entourage quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
I was just gonna post that! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BenjaminSo I can watch entourage quicker.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
We entourage fanboys need it right away. It's like a routine before bed on Sundays. In this case a slower pre-time would interfere with my sleep routine, which leads to subsequent routine breakdowns.
I have exaggerated a bit.
There's also the issue of security. If all the little trackers closed and the community was left with three or four behemoth money making machines then it just makes everyone that much more vulnerable. These sites are already in the cross-hairs so having them as the only sites would be a mistake. The more sites there are then the more time an effort it takes for the MPAA and RIAA to shut them down. There's safety in numbers.
There's also the fact that not everyone wants to be on some massive money making e-penis site that only cares about pre-times. If the smaller sites have members than there's a need for them. Simple really.
Also, could you name at least one of these e-peen sites that only care about pres? I was under the impression that they were community or security oriented.
pre-times is all that matters for a scene tracker just like it does for the scene as a whole and thats exactly how it should be so I agree with whoever said those who steal torrents should gtfo.Even the names should sell it for you 0-day,0-sec etc.Why it should matter isn't relevant just know its a culture thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
I'd rather not because I don't wish to offend, but I'd say in my experience you're wrong about the second part of your statement. Just to be clear I wasn't talking about e-peen in the 'levels' FST sense as this generally has nothing to do with the sites themselves rather people's perceptions of them. I meant it in the more traditional ego-driven sense of the expression.Quote:
Originally Posted by KushBlow
While I think the e-peen attitude aspect of certain sites is not really welcomed, I have to give them props in what they can do. If they run one of the best 0day torrent sites in the world in terms of pre-time and content selection then they can act however they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by searI'd rather not because I don't wish to offend, but I'd say in my experience you're wrong about the second part of your statement. Just to be clear I wasn't talking about e-peen in the 'levels' FST sense as this generally has nothing to do with the sites themselves rather people's perceptions of them. I meant it in the more traditional ego-driven sense of the expression.Quote:
Originally Posted by KushBlow
They provide a service that only very few other sites in the world can offer which makes them special. I completely understand why people want them and why people don't want to risk losing them by inviting a stranger from a message board.
Of course, couldn't agree more. It's just not for everyone that's all.
This thread belongs with the piles of letters for santa ..congrats kid you've been good this year but telling santa if you don't give me a present you'll go out and buy it is B A N A N A S.I hope in the end you do end up paying more than 20 euros for an invite. I'll thank you now for paying the server cost*.
Pre-times only matter to those looking to buffer accounts and grab the "swarm" or if you still use eztv.The tv show will be there tomorrow ...and probably the week after. Yet this pre-time competition has been good in terms of getting more trackers to step up the quality of releases and times considering at one time ScT was at the top now people can easily name 3-4 trackers with similar speeds.
ScT is a good tracker but lets not get carried away.
many ppls here seems stray off the topic :(Quote:
Originally Posted by kallieb
hey m8...if you've got a invite there...Please accept my sincere congratulation....if not....try your best to make a sincere friend in SCT.Good luck
I hope he doesn't get banned, come back to FST and then have a HDBits and ScT staff rant syndrom.
I agree with the pré-time being a bit silly.
Many of the people saying pré-times are important are living in parts of the world where you have a massive time-difference (at least I do).
Now let's take a show like weeds or entourage ... I like to watch those, but must say I will not stay awake until 4 am just to watch the show the minute it appears on the fastest 0-day-trackers.
What do those 0-day/pré-time freaks do when they have to go to a party or so ... they stay at home because they have to watch the newest entourage or so???
Who goes to a party on Sunday night? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
Do pretime wankers and tracker racers go to parties at all? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by hotshot6473Why goes to a party on Sunday night? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme
Here in America people stay home and watch HBO on sunday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disme