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Kinda. Capitalism can be great if you don't overdo it. Like everything, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
Capitalism's a religion that makes Satan a god and teaches self-righteous people to embrace a facade.It ain't wrong to make money legit or illegal but its treason when you turn your back on your people.Word?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Martinator
Thats good to know! Glad to know there are some trackers out there that aren't just out for making money. I'm curious to know how they keep their server bills up though...Quote:
Originally Posted by filenetworks
I think that tvtorrentz also doesn't take donations and they have no ads either.
Suckers never die they only change is all i can say regarding OP
You clearly aren't getting my point on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rart
You are trying to create some kind of crusade against those guys, whether everyone agrees they have "BT morally bad" motivations.
What I'm trying to say is that you won't change the world with this thread, and probably you won't even change a single line on their future.
So I accept what they are saying, which is "pay and play or get the fuck outta here and stfu". I preferred the latter.
I hope they cover their tracks well and their members also. The scene will be hammering them and not to mention the huge bullseye they painted on themselves for other groups to come raid them. Those who pay will have a nice little money trail leading right back to each and every one of them. Good luck with that in court......
business for scene shits.good luck
funny. i always thought that selling leech axx was exactly the same, regarding as selling "scene shits". And some people who even staff some sites sell it to their members.Quote:
Originally Posted by chec
That's worse than STN's philosophy if you wanna go down that road.
parabens cabalo.
congrats cabalo.
And you deleted my post!!!!!!
bbuuaaaaaaa i announced it!!!
Isn't that essentially what STN is doing? I'm guessing that he is one of the ones selling "leech axx" as thats one of the core principles STN was founded on. Ever since the beginning, for an (extremely) lucrative fee you could request scene files to be uploaded as torrents, or for an even greater fee directly download from their scene ftp slot. When I first saw their site this greatly drew my suspicion but I shrugged it off at first as the site seemed to be doing quite well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalofunny. i always thought that selling leech axx was exactly the same, regarding as selling "scene shits". And some people who even staff some sites sell it to their members.Quote:
Originally Posted by chec
That's worse than STN's philosophy if you wanna go down that road.
As for my thread, I do realize in the grand scheme of things it won't really make a difference. But after seeing the irony and absurdity of their recent shift I couldn't help but post it here and hopefully shed some light on the tracker. Perhaps this thread will make (somewhat) of a difference on how people view the tracker :ermm:
actually wasn't me. but more chances will come :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad-Day
I understand your attitude towards the site, and share it in some points. I just don't think we're going to make any difference with this, because actually the members who don't pay will be disconnected in few days and learn it the hard way.Quote:
Originally Posted by RartIsn't that essentially what STN is doing? I'm guessing that he is one of the ones selling "leech axx" as thats one of the core principles STN was founded on. Ever since the beginning, for an (extremely) lucrative fee you could request scene files to be uploaded as torrents, or for an even greater fee directly download from their scene ftp slot. When I first saw their site this greatly drew my suspicion but I shrugged it off at first as the site seemed to be doing quite well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
As for my thread, I do realize in the grand scheme of things it won't really make a difference. But after seeing the irony and absurdity of their recent shift I couldn't help but post it here and hopefully shed some light on the tracker. Perhaps this thread will make (somewhat) of a difference on how people view the tracker :ermm:
Just let them go. They're indeed selling leech axx, only via a tracker, not a FTP server.
Cabalo
Scene shits means, what are they offering extra, there are billions of scene tracker
FTP Access? :dabs:Quote:
Archive Axx what's that? Easy breezy. On some of our topsites, we have a small archive of around 40TB of old releases. As a bonus, we include access to those at the higher levels.
Please keep in mind that there are a limited number of "slots" available on any given month. So if 0day, never been stepped on warez from the scene are what you want. Come get some!.
All Topsites are Gigabit, you can reach speeds in excess of 100MB/s
You get 4 simultaneous logins.
And for 500 euros, you get "unlimited transfer"!
Also, curious as to what you guys think of this...
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I started this as a different topic because people have strong opinions about it.
There is no getting around a few things.
Any tracker that is currently running, is doing 1 of two things from a "LEGAL" standpoint.
A. Conspiring to distribute copyrighted material (I.E. Theft)
or
B. Facilitating the distribution of stolen/pirated programs.
Without blowing my entire load as to my professional opinion and potential legal defense in the future. (My dad was a federal judge before he died, my sister is an attorney, my wife is an attorney, and I have more family members if various parts of the legal system than I care to count.)
By moving to a sponsorship model, it does something else besides making the playing field equal for all the participants. It also, makes it nearly impossible for any "new" sponsor to do anything legally to the tracker.
It prevents any OLD sponsor from moving forward with any "old" information, as there is no continuance of a crime.
I'll address some of the concerns from the other thread:
[bringing additional light, heat, etc onto the tracker because it is accepting sponsors.]
1. Security by obscurity is retarded at best, as much as BCG, GFT and the likes think they are safe, they are sadly mistaken.
2. Super Elite trackers get busted all the time. Just look at what happened to UK-T. Hardly anyone had access, they had very little users. and Next to no publicity.
3. Being large, or small, donation, no donation. If you get on someone's radar, game over. There is no way to prevent it, no way to reduce it
4. The minute the site has a seedbox, they themselves are distributing the stolen material.
[Sponsoring, donation, is morally against my fabric, wrong, etc].
I'll say it again, all P2P trackers are pay to leech. Period.
All P2P are breaking the law period. (I am unaware of any p2p tracker soly distributing legal content)
Everyone downloading from a tracker is breaking the law. (Some countries have no laws like mine, so you may be exempt locally, but the US,AU,EU have all been known to have a long reach).
Sorry if theses things offend you but it is the truth.
Downloading software whether you intend to use it or not via p2p, is breaking the law.
By allowing people to sponsor to stay, we've given STN one of the most legal footings possible, years ahead of other trackers.
It might surprise to know:
SCT brings in > E3,500 per month in "donations" invites, topsite axx etc.
SCC brings in > E3,000 per month
GFT brings in > E800 per month
And those figures are just what "I" personally know about.
I'm on over 1,200 trackers as of friday. From GREEK and RUSSIAN p2l that are clearly profit driven, to small niche trackers that don't take donations, run as a hobby, user provided content. No 1 tracker can please everyone, no 1 tracker can be the best. After all it is an opinion. FWIW my favorite Trackers right now are, ArabicFilms, CartoonChoas, SpiritTracker, and Cat Torrent (Bitgamer, UG, RevTT, and ScienceHD are in my top 10).
[Paypal, Privacy, Micropayment Solutions]
Paypal is fairly liberal with their required documentation. They don't check CC names, or anything, just the CC # and the paypal verification code to activate the account.
All other micropayment forms, require a lot of paperwork from the site owner.
While my country and the countries I travel too are exempt from IP laws. I have an asston of personal assets to protect. I'm not about to fax my passport, cedula, etc to 3rd parties to accept payment. It is an additional risk. One in which the risk to accept maybe 4-5 E3.00 payments is way greater than the reward. Not to mention the risk it puts ALL users at.
Sponsoring a site, is not an indication of guilt, having non purchased downloaded material on your computer is a crime, PERIOD. regardless if you made a sponsorship, donation etc.
So if every member is a sponsor of the site does this not make them more legally resposible for the trcker there for part owners hence then not just considered they are getting pirated material but also part the the structure that supplies the material and therefore equally resposible for all conent avaliable?
If so then that makes the risk being a member/sponsor of the site even less appealing than being told to be there you have to sponsor.
Either way a controlled p2l where other sites mentioned are voluntry contributions.
pay money, spread risk, make the owner/admin rich
this is a surefire hit scheme :P
i think they should change the slogan of the tracker to (help me to be a millionaire)or something ,the site staff have played it smart honestly ,they invested alot of money to make the tracker one of the fastest and their torrent count with regard to the tracker being online was pretty impressive and now they are going to get that money back 10x and who knows what will happen after or if they will disappear
for now it's still 100 members of 6500 members who have paid their 3 Euros ,i don't really support any tracker who forces their members to pay money and i hope it doesn't become a trend .also there are hundreds of great trackers around so whose gonna care about one going P2L
My new site, Sellthe.net only charges 1 Euro per month if you sign up for a year.
Storethe.net is .5 euros per month, beat that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollinThunder
Subtle.net. Read that.
not true...STN's cost per month / per person depends on the number of users that are willing to be scammed :PQuote:
Originally Posted by RartStorethe.net is .5 euros per month, beat that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollinThunder
They had good donation contributions in start but when they began to introduce one after another P2L factor like pay for this , pay for that, their donations dried up rather quickly in the months to follow. Hard negative response against such sites is the best way to prevent such practices in the future.
Most somewhat buzzworthy trackers get great donations in month 1 but then dry up. It's a part of the general trend of higher torrent and forum/irc activity.
May be you are right but you can't ignore the negative effect of P2L policies on the donations of sincere members.
I don't see any evidence being established which I might be able to ignore.
That is the establish truth people don't like P2L trackers and prectices. If you want the truth conduct a poll in this regard.
Even assuming that is true, you have not established a causal connection between "people don't like p2l" and your initial point that "donations are down because of the new p2l policy". In fact, it doesn't seem that you have established that donations are down.
lol! a little test for you which of the following sentences are correct!
1. People who don't like P2L donate for P2L sites.
2. People who don't like P2L don't donate for P2L sites.
3. Most people deriding the system in this thread have not already donated to the site and would not have donated to the site even if they had not implemented a subscription requirement.
This is your assumption or imagination. What is base of this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollinThunder
That is the establish truth. If you want the truth conduct a poll in this regard.
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Originally Posted by RizKhan25000
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Originally Posted by TrollinThunder
Copy and paste!:(
Actually, I quoted, then deleted the bb code and the irrelevant words. I probably should have added an "(sp)" after "establish".
Subtle.net?Quote:
Originally Posted by RizKhan25000Quote:
Originally Posted by TrollinThunder
Copy and paste!:(
dont ever register to that crap tracker.
So much for freedom of expression.Quote:
This message is for people that have not read the forums.
A few weeks ago STN went to a sponsorship only model, and unfortunately due to a few bad users, I’ve had to change plans and restrict everyones access to the system. This includes downloading, posting, and reading all the forums except for one.
This means in order to stay here at STN past DEC 1st and to use the site, you need to be a sponsor. We accept Paypal, and Moneybookers.
The sponsorship cost is E3.00 and is valid for six months.
You get access to everything on the site.
Additionally you do no need to seed. More information is available in the forums.
This was done for 2 primary reasons among many.
1st, to make all the users equal on the site and do away with donors, and different user classes.
2nd, to protect the users, the tracker, and myself (my personal assets).
I realize this may not be popular. However it is the direction of _this_ tracker and will be the way most trackers have to conduct themselves in the future to protect their users, and the owners.
You may not agree with this, and that is fine. It may go against your principles and that is fine as well.
You may think it is an attempt to profit from you, however I can never re-coup the costs involved in STN.
I would charge less then E3.00 but accepting smaller payments isn’t practical.
This topic is not open for discussion.
If you which to have a sponsorship spot at STN, but are unable to pay at this time, or have some other financial burden.
Please let me know, and I will park your account for 60 days. That will give you 60 days to find a way to sponsor STN. You will be unable to use your account during this period, and only be able to click on Become a Sponsor.
If you choose not to be a sponsor of STN, once your account is deleted, the only way to get back into STN in the future is to find someone with an Invite.
The site will not be open for public signups, nor will there be an INVITE channel.
Thank you
Yocto
i would like to see some pics of this site content lol
Mostly 1S/0L torrents, but I can post a pic if you want.
i'm curious about the content of this site, they are selling something that we can get for free, so i would like to see what they have to offer
Nothing you can't find elsewhere:
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7364/stn.th.gif
Although they have a request system where you can ask for any release and they'll try to find it on the topsites they have access to. As well as the possibility of uploading stuff from other trackers to prevent you from ruining your ratio there.
Selling access=uber level.
:lol:
I'm curious as to how many torrents do they have, I would presume It's several hundred thousand, well that's how many Demonoid(when online) or torrents.ru has.