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Brand new fresh drive, Win 7 is supposed to handle that, no problem.
I just pointed the OS to the drive(s) and let it decide what needed to be done.
There is a tool available at the Vertex forum that will inspect the drive and verify if the alignment and all that hifalutin shit is correct (after you're in Windows).
I think if you manage to keep the OS dry, you'll be fine.
Oops, too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by clocker
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2...asementcom.jpg
I knew it.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...-393-_-Product
Only $140CAD. That's cheap. Are these the drives you guys bought?
Clocker has those I have these ;)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16820227469
OK so I have to say HOLY 5HIT!!! I just installed Win7 X6 in 13 Min! From windows is loading files to a ready desktop. I'm stunned really. Things are noticeably faster. Clocker and Snee Thanks so much I'm glad you two got me to cave in and get these things. Here are some screens
This is the first try with only HDtach installed.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6162/1sttry.jpg
Then when I enabled the write back cache :woot:
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/4479/gettinbetter.jpg
Window rating
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/7...dowsrating.jpg
OK and so after some windows tweaks I found
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8585/aftertweaks.jpg
Not impressed really on these tweaks like :(
Then I updated the firmware
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/734...areinstall.jpg
Ummm I had to check this twice. So all of that and I'm where I started eh. No biggie :idunno:
Now I'm also looking at this "ram disk" and I remember clocker having something called an "idisk" or something that he raved about.Using Ram as an actual Hard disk. Do you guys think it'w worth it??
It's interesting that your burst speed did exactly the same as mine...starts out strong then after the "tweaks" it decreases by about a third.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
That shouldn't happen.
My RAM drive was a physical thing- a PCI card that accepted four real RAM sticks and in essence, acted like a crude SSD.
It connected through a SATA port and was sadly limited to SATA I specs.
What you propose is a more software based method to do essentially the same thing but should be faster.
And way cheaper, also.
I still have the iRAM card but have stripped it of memory sticks and will be damned if I'll buy more DDR RAM for it.
I'm going to try that ram drive the article describes.
OH BTW D....what revision firmware did your drives come with and what did you flash to?
Mine are 1.4 already.
I've tweaked FF to cache to ram anyways, without that Ram diosk software, I think :idunno:
But that's a nifty piece of software I might just look at anyways. Windows hardly ever uses more than 4 gigs anyhow, and that means I generally have 8 gigs doing nothing, so.
OK, it's installed.
HD Tach thought it had died and gone to heaven...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...iveCompare.png
This compares the RAM drive with the Vertex array (which has mysteriously jumped back to a decent burst speed...???). Note the RAM drive's absurd average read speed.
I reinstalled Firefox completely to the RAM drive.
It's almost impossible to make Chrome install anywhere but it's default directory, so I found an Chrome alternative called Iron, which allows the normal install options, so it's on the RAM drive as well.
Getting all the bookmarks, settings, etc. transferred is proving to be weird...I shall persevere.
Edit:
Here's the task manager with the RAM drive operational.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...er/RAMtask.png
I created a ram drive of 4GB, so half my available physical memory is automatically allocated there and Windows is only using @10% of what's left, so all should be fine.
To be clear bud you installed the ram drive and your Raid array jumped up that much in HD tach?? or is that HD tach of the ram drive? I'm going to do 2 gigs I think.
My SSd's came with version 1.0 and I updated them to 1.41 I was a little comfused which version to go with using the raid 1.4 or 1.41 so I just said fuck it.
I am still unclear as which tool to use to "clean" the drive. Sanitary erase or wiper. So much damn reading it's making me nuts.
I'm going to try that Ram drive now and see.
It is confusing but I think you wanted 1.4, not 1.41.
The last HDTach shows a comparison between the two- Vertex v. RAM drive-look at the top left corner...that little blue squiggle is the ram drive.
Seems a cinch to change it, but why 1.4? I see the comparison now. Cool here's my 2GB Ramdisk
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2050/ramdrive.jpg
Now I did set it to 4 GB but it defaulted to 2. I have 8 gigs installed so I don't know why it did that.
Would it be possible to install an OS on this? If there were enough ram and a tiny OS?
EDIT: should we disable the indexing for the same principal that it should be disabled on the SD. I mean this drive kicks the shit out of the SSD's
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2119/ramdisk2.jpg
I also wanted to ask you if you enabled TRIM or not?
You can't boot from that, it needs software to run to initiate. You don't need to enable trim for the ram disk, you should on the ssd, though. Same goes for indexing (you should turn it off on the ssd only, I mean). I really don't see it hurting your ram.
You could put virtualbox or similar on it, if you wanna try running an os off it.
Good idea. I think I may try it. Also i'm noticing that FF and IE are loading way faster this way
Edited this [the parenthesis] in, just so I don't trick you into something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snee
Far as I know, the reason you want to turn indexing (and the defragging) off on the ssd is to reduce the write cycles. No need to do that with RAM, it's pretty much made to write on all the time.
As for virtualbox, it's pretty awesome. I've got a virtual machine with win2kpro I tinker with sometimes. The integrated mode (you get the start bar of the os running in vb on top of the native one, rather than the os running in a window) is neat.
Hmm I will check that out tomorrow and let you know. For now I have some ATTO and PC pitstop bench marks ;)
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/107/pitstop.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5077/atto.jpg
What do you guys use to defrag your SSD's? I keep reading perfectdisk 10 is the way to go, along with ccleaner and something called AS-Cleaner ( I have yet to find out what that is exactly)
Ramdisk bench
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6672/ramdisk.jpg
Damn I have to put an OS on that :w00t:
See, that ATTO benchmark is what I was talking about. My writes stay at 150 or below. Goddamnit.
As for defragging ssds, I did that once right after the inital install, since then I've not touched it, on this machine. I've no idea if running perfectdisk on it is good. They say it is, but I've not seen any evidence.
On one of my netbooks (4gig ssd) I do it maybe once every three or four months, but that's to free up some space, since it's kinda' cramped.
Hmm...
Our Pitstop scores are comparable but your ATTO benchmark kills me.
I might just wipe this SOB and start over.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...Vertex10-1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...r/Vertex11.png
As I'm doing more research. I know for a raid setup you should use the 1.41 firmware. I'm also playing around more with the ramdisk and having more files run from there. This may very well be the first time ANY of my benchmarks have been even slightly better than clockers. For Joy :D
*Damn kids I walk away for a second in the middle of a post and I come back to them slapping the keyboard!
Totally, ANY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/snorlax/ATTO.jpg
btw. The corsairs again. I think the writes may well be unfixable, saw something semi-official from corsair noting it may be an issue with my raid controller combined with those drives. (It could also be something to do with me having used them continuously since july.)
I managed to get it a little higher than 150, at least.
I wonder what that weird dip at 16 and 32 I see in your screenshot is.
Anyhow, those read speeds are still awesome, and like I've said before, I'm pretty happy with these drives as it is :happy:
EDit:
And hai, my ssds' burst is damned close to the burst of your ram disk.
What about your ramdisk? Where's the benches?
Haven't tried that :idunno:
Dunno what to use it for, yet. FF doesn't need to be THAT fast.
Sure it does. I mean you can see a noticeable difference especially when pics load on a page. It's really nice actually. Meh try it I thihk you'll like it.
I might do it tomorrow, if I can summon up the required enthusiasm. Not been in a mood to tinker much lately.
I've looked into perfectdisk since you mentioned it, and diskeeper as well. I might get perfectdisk, now, sounds like it won't do any damage, and may do some good. It's a christmas sale on as well, so I may pay for it.
by "Christmas sale" do you mean Pay for??? We do have an NZB section here ya know. If that doesn't work for you Shoot me an Email man ;)
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-sof...gen-crd-371924
Indeed. As long as I have money, I like supporting worthwhile stuff.
Right now, on my current main rig, I actually think I've got nothing installed that's not either freeware or paid for (usually after I tried it, or an earlier version "for free", obviously).
I like how that kind of lets me have the moral high ground when arguing in favour of filesharing.
(I've got fuckloads of downloaded TV-shows and movies on the storage drive, obviously. They'll be aired sooner or later anyhow :P)
Right, right. But you will try it first, no?
Damn ethical pirate
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There's a trial available iirc, and I have tried an earlier version as well.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1816/wpi.jpg
It just dropped to 7.5 on disk performance after the latest patch of tinkering. On the other hand ATTO shows it being smoother than ever, whilst HD Tach now tells me my burst is at 4147.8MB/S :sly:
Fix Y/N?
No.
What tinkering did you do?
Yesterday I did two full installs and my drive scores are worse than ever.
I'm unhappy.
Enabled hard disk data cache for the whole array in the matrix drivers, tried new drivers, etc.
After I posted that I tried a 'tony-trim' (PD + AS-Clean with FF ticked) which initially looked like it screwed me, but things seem to have recovered now, pretty much.
I'll experiment some more with it, but right now it seems like it didn't do much, possibly because I had less performance degradation than I suspected.
I also did that "Tony Trin method" but noticed no difference yet. On the OCZ forums that guy Tony said to not trust Atto results and to use AS-SSD Bench instead saying you will get more consistent results with this app.
Damn clocker that sucks dude. What cleaning methods have you done?
I'd be highly surprised if you noticed a gain. You've not had the drives running a week yet to begin with :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
Also: over on the corsair forums, ATTO was one of the recommended benchmarks. More because they're sure it's not going to hurt performance, I think, though.
Yeah I knew i wouldn't see a difference. See now on the OCZ forums they said the same thing about the AS-ssd. Well that and not to benchmark everyday.
This is the weirdness that I keep running into...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...r/vertex12.png
Note that the burst speed has gone up about 30% but the read- especially in the unused sectors- has been cut in half.
Soon as I can figure out how to use Sanitary wipe I'm going to reload 7...for the third time in two days.
Grrr.
Edit: Finally procured the final parts needed to redo my loop and use D.'s tricky fittings.
I was going to wait for new SATA cables but maybe it's best the loop gets redone first to confirm that drive placement is OK.
Feh. I'll just wait for new firmware before I try any more 'fixing' (after a bit more messing around, it seems that running as-clean hurt performance after all).
At this point, I've decided I don't need it to be perfect, just smooth.
New OS install.
Drives were wiped on another PC, Win7 x 64 installed, new Intel Rapid Storage Tech drivers installed, disabled indexing, hibernation, system restore, enabled volume write-back caching.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...ker/7-RAID.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...er/7-RAID1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...er/7-RAID2.png
Note that I've regained the average read speed although burst still seems low.
Now to run Perfect Disk and see what happens.
Edit: After an "aggressive" run of PD...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...er/7-RAID4.png
Better.
And finally, ATTO...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/clocker/atto2.png
Just couldn't let me win could ya :P I am going to try a clean install tomorrow as my speeds are lsowing as well now.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7680/benchd.jpg
Well I have some questions for ya bro. how did you use the wiper exactly? Also WTF with those Vidoe scores!?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...er/7-RAID1.png
God damn man is that still the 8800?? My GTX 260 isn't even close to your MB/s? What did you do to it?
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2600/captureff.jpg
Cleaning the drives was a giant PITA.
The app I was trying to use is called Sanitary_Erase but I couldn't make it work.
Supposedly, you can run it from a thumb drive while booted to a Win7 install disk but my grasp of DOS is feeble and shaky and I got nowhere.
Took the drives- including the flash drive- to a friend's house and he magic-fingered his way to the app and wiped the drives.
I have no idea what he did...
As for the video scores...a look at our screenshots should tell you exactly what's going on.
Hint: turn off visual effects, dummy.
Where do you see visual effects? and how do I turn then off? Do you mean like aero and stuff??
Control Panel> System> Advanced System properties> Advanced> Performance...Settings> Visual Effects> "adjust for best performance".