Funny how noone was complaining about Serb from TiT when he was catching traders, deleting reviews and when TiT was winning races. And now when he is no more around, he suddenly became unwanted...
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Funny how noone was complaining about Serb from TiT when he was catching traders, deleting reviews and when TiT was winning races. And now when he is no more around, he suddenly became unwanted...
This is what I love about FST. You get a lot of serious posts, then you get the n00bz posting. After all, anyone with any sort of knowledge would know of TiT, Blast, Serb and Mudd. Anyone who doesn't know of at least one of these institutions is way too n00bish.
Considering that between Blast, Serb and Mudd, they have years of experience, I'd love to know what you would consider a relevant period of time not be considered a n00b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zebra
...and so are FST newbs posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitality
Fuck both blastGT1 and Muddslinger.
When I confronted Muddslinger once about all the dirt that Serb and MelvinMewo was doing, he took their side and attacked me and now he's complaining that Serb stabbed him in the back. Fuck him he deserves it big time.
I think Muddslinger had something to do with my Global Ban attempts as well.
Noone is saint. You too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
What do they do again?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtemisYou seriously don't know who you are talking about in this case with BlastGT1 and Muddslinger, toddle off & do some research first, they are both very senior and respected members of the BT community, Serb on the other hand.....Quote:
Originally Posted by merwais
a)serb was a hacker when they made him mod.
b)serb was still a hacker when they elevated him to admin.
Am glad that blast and mudd have taken a stand but all factors considered,this thread is basically a toxic mix of dissimilation,hypocrisy and duplicity.
That was probably it till it got real with one of them.Quote:
I suppose the temptation is there to turn a blind eye as they're not people you know personally, so it won' t affect you, right? No real harm being done, is there?
I think I know a little something about h4ckers(not n00bies who think they r l337 coz they phish IPs off FST).Talking big boy stuff here and I'll assume that's where you guys place serb.Closing the site is in essence you telling serb that he's won and he should double the hours he spends in his mommy's basement coding shit and stuff.
Bluntly put this is TiT got scared of banning serb so serb made em close shop.Believe you me what you are set on doing isn't going to help your cause.You don't ostracize the unwanted by caving in to the fear they try to infuse in you.
He's not god,settindice was given a time out and he came back different.
GFT is probably the only site that has the power to reason with this guy but I figure he's probably osmosised a little of himself into their heads.
PS:This is how you handle a good but a dumb h4cker who doesn't know where the line is at.
http://digitalgangster.com/4um/showt...ighlight=miley
True, no1's a saint but they could have avoided Serb's charade a long time ago by acting against him.Quote:
Originally Posted by b3owulfNoone is saint. You too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
They shouldn't bitch and whine about him now after all this time.
Very well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by sez
I not like TiT ! so good ! :)
Serb's account is disabled on GFT. Last seen 2 days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
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Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
say and believe what you wish, but I did not have any involvement with you being banned other then to post on forums when you'd talk out your ass just as you have done in this post here. I was not stabbed in the back by serb and is not why I have taken the stance I have. But once again you think you know everything but in reality you are very misinformed.
There was but when other options are met with no result other avenues are taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNiJaK
Hey Muddslinger where was your "Righteousness" when Serb and MelvinMewo exposed Detale's personal information? How come no action was taken against these two fellas?
By the way, thanks to mudd and blastergt1 for the tip, that leak was fixed, and so will be many other potential ones.
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Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
I voiced my view of being against the release of anyones personal information at all points in Detale's issue with his personal information and even talked with Detale about it on several occasions. But, you again have no idea what went on but run your mouth from an uninformed position. Ask Detale what my feelings were on the release of his or anyone elses information.
He has already said that he has been putting up with this shit for a while and is fed up. Just because he didnt make this post then doesnt mean he agreed with anything being done. Are you seriously trying to attack muddslinger? I thought you were growing out of your trolling ways....Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Whatever you did wasn't enough. I too talked to Detale about it and voiced my opinion in public against Personal Information exposure, but that didn't change much did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MuddSlingerQuote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
I voiced my view of being against the release of anyones personal information at all points in Detale's issue with his personal information and even talked with Detale about it on several occasions.
You should have acted on it right away. You should have gotten rid of him from TiT to teach him a lesson, or at least taking away his privileges for a month or two.
You can say whatever to defend yourself but the fact and the matter is that you had the power to do something about what serb was doing and you didn't.
I don't need to know any facts to know that you acted like a coward.
Go ahead though. Enjoy criticizing him now because it really means something.
ok muddslinger is pretending to be innocent and blaming serb when he also wastes his life global banning ppl lmfao
and wtf ppl are scared of serb haha hes a nerd whos all talk lol
plz serb hack my account here at FST right now i will give u 500$ money order to wherever u live lmfao wat a joke
Who the fuck are you to tell him what he "should have done". There are tons of people who have/had the power to do something. Now you are attacking the person who did do something. Makes perfect sense :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidWhatever you did wasn't enough. I too talked to Detale about it and voiced my opinion in public against Personal Information exposure, but that didn't change much did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by MuddSlinger
You should have acted on it right away. You should have gotten rid of him from TiT to teach him a lesson, or at least taking away his privileges for a month or two.
You can say whatever to defend yourself but the fact and the matter is that you had the power to do something about what serb was doing and you didn't.
I don't need to know any facts to know that you acted like a coward.
Go ahead though. Enjoy criticizing him now because it really means something.
Are you always that secretive? Can you share with the audience which Mod was a snitch? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Last time I looked I was not on the level of sysop on TiT and never was my input on staff promotions and/or demotions have been asked but never were they the deciding factor. So, to say I should of gotten rid of him is again a very uninformed stance. But, please continue....
Ehhhh..... keep making excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuddSlinger
Why wasn't your sysop doing his job btw? What exactly was his role in that tracker, to ban the traders that Serb handed to him, suck his cock and laugh at Serb's corny jokes? He should have been the one to act against serb if you weren't in any position to then.
But no wonder the tracker's going down. That's to be expected when you have someone like Serb in your team and a sysop who can't make decisions by himself.
But anyway. I'm gonna stop hugging this thread. Go ahead and discuss whatever you gotta discuss.
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Originally Posted by Ewwwyourface
yes I have global banned people but never did I release a damn thing about anyones personal information, and the being I wasn't scared of serb I was concerned for the safety of my family in the event going public would cause serb to release my details to some authority organization since I have been a little more then a everyday torrent user. There is and was a risk but it took a few steps in the middle for me not to beable to take it anymore and say something.
I'm such a evil dude even while I protected TSOL's account on tit, unbanning it every time it was banned by serb, resetting his and Detales ip history on a regular basis on TiT.
No where did i ever say I was an angel nor do I think I am one, but I never passsed anyone information anywhere except for an ip or email to other tracker staff which is common practice if you know it not.
Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Everyone fucks up... but it takes a bit more guts to hold your hands up and try stopping something and taking the flack for it than continuing to ignore it and letting what was wrong carry on happening. In my book that's commendable... doesn't make what happened in the past right, but it shows a realisation that something needs to change... "better late than never" springs to mind.
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Originally Posted by MuddSlinger
I could understand if either of the 2 guys were trying to exonerate themselves and shifting the blame, but from what I can read they have simply explained why the site is closing down... not solely blame one person... it seems there are other reasons too
Just curious... do you actually have a personal grudge against either MuddSlinger, or BlasterGT1?
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Originally Posted by Burnsy
Yeah he seems to put some blame on muddslinger for not coming to his rescue when he pissed off some people by posting BS. I dont agree with "global bans" for acting like a fool, but you stir enough shit up and shit happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
I don't agree with Global Banning myself, but anyway... that certainly sheds some light onto the situation... i didn't think there was any neutrality or 'open mindedness' about what was being posted :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by That1Guy
Yeap, those who are trolling in this thread hold something against the OP.
I can't think of any reason why anyone would disagree for what was done by the OP. Be you a niche user, or a trader, or a cheater, or even a invite seller, i'm sure you don't want your public infos posted/shared all over the interwebs.
I got a grudge to... It's where I park meh car.
I have to say I agree with global banning. If one person explicitly goes against the wishes of one tracker by trading/selling/hacking, he'll do it everywhere else too, its been proven over and over again. We as tracker staff don't do the things we do just for shits and giggles, we do it for the good of the community. You give a trader a chance, and he'll fuck you every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsy
MuddSlinger: Don't feed the troll! :P No matter where it is, here, TorrentFreak, **************...you're always gonna get a steady batch of retards that think they know whats what. Let em think, they aren't worth the time or effort.
Now give back to all users what trackers they have lost.
afterall you helped their global ban. You know there was a global ban. Even you were at the top of the chain of command.
Isnt that strange you know Serbs actions all the way from the beginning and now you are talking because of tracker is not popular. And users are not blind or deaf, they probabily ignored you like you ignored them. You have seen all the info and that info layed there for some time. You are sharing the same crime as Serb. Shit is closing lets do a final talks about it. Thanks but still shit is there and it still smells and you were behind it by joining forces hand to hand with Serb. If he goes to jail , you share the same crime, you will to and that great anonimty or last excuses is just nonsense. You shared Serb's frauds, you made him admin and with making him admin for a single day you sold every users ip at Tit. You hold information from FST that Serb can access one of the staff accounts here. Knowing that once was your power and now telling that makes you a hero ?
Excuse me but you dont deserve a tracker or users, you just used TIT name and made profit with it and by giving that Serb scammer power, you let him fuck you and all users.
You can not share peoples personal information or you can not watch when some hacker shared that. You will only think he was doing it not us but it was your house morons. At gambling table house always wins and when they go down they go down all together. You feed the monster now be a man and dont say he was a monster, you made him growing up.
bad news :(
OMG TiTS closing ... end of the world !!! no more boobs >.<
/sarcasm
This thread just shows how fucked up BT has become.
This is karma and you get what you get.Muddslinger sat and watched and probably laughed at other people getting d0xed by serb till it was his turn.
If he didn't get d0xed,he'd probably be in some irc talking shit about fst,racing releases with serb,probably receiving pms from this guy that he really didn't receive but received??
Like seriously dood wtf are you trying to pull here.You might be able to convince some to sympathize with you,probably those who don't really know what you and serb have been doing over the past few years but as far as am concerned you and him are equally as bad,the reason you are so butt hurt is coz you <3 him and he betrayed your friendship and d0xed your hypocritical ass.Why even ask why the vote wasn't unanimous when you wanted to ban him on TiT?
Ever heard of keep your emotions to yourself this is business?
I like how idoleyes words some of these things.Like Tiger woods would never have admitted to infidelity if he wasn't caught.You get d0xed and all over sudden your buddy is evil and needs to be globally banned?In my book,you are verging on the side that's worse than serb's.
Are you like trying to Settle a score?Like who does the most damage to the other?
You are a hypocrite and you are honestly starting to irritate me.What's so hard in owning up to some form of responsiblity?
Like how on earth is mudd being forthcoming with greater interest to the BT community when he waits till he gets owned so as to care about our welfare?
You are a self seeker dying for sympathy for what's coming your way and honestly I wish you all the best in your endeavour but you aren't the angel here.
0oh I got d0xed..ooh serb is evil....Ooh am gonna get pred...man fuck that.
Did serb put a gun to your head and ask you to add him to your facebook or something?How on earth did you even begin to make him a staffer you self seeking twat or are you just as dumb as barrywhite<---YOU WERE TOLD..OH YES YOU WERE
Own up to something man,you have a part in all this,I'll respect you for that and it'll say alot about you.
PS:Albo I think you should start sending some of these people back to their gossip IRCs and of course the TPS.
I like how themartinator has avoided this thread.Anyways I always had my suspicions,thanks for kinda confirming them.
damn tootin' mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
These kids need to stop thinking regisering a domain name, buying some pre axx, then buying a server to host a site on will make them a million.
Unless you have proper skills, stop opening sites people! I would say the best bt sites that exist are from ex-hackers, who know how to destroy something, therefore know how to keep it safe.
How does that even make sense ? If your going to post on a public forum have the good grace to actually write coherently, that made my head ache, conspiracy theorists unite !Quote:
Originally Posted by jayrite
Unless I'm mistaken he wasn't using a staff members account he was using an ex-staff members account with the full knowledge and consent of the ex-staffer.Even at I can tell you for a fact that he didn't have access to privileged information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pwner101
Besides seeing as people are permitted just about every type of proxy on this site I don't know how a sudden change in IPs would be make anything overly obvious .
But then we as individuals all have our strengths and weakness' - some of us are internet literate ,some of us just literate.:rolleyes:
Um so out of no where mudd just thought "hey serb may have my ip and shit". I dont think so. If anything, mudd has shown some serious balls taking his stance knowing that serb may have some details about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
You obviously know nothing about this. But that is one thing fst is good for. A place for people who dont have a clue to act like a big shot and pretend they know what they are talking about... carry on
The only 'self seeker' I have seen so far in this thread is Albo da kid who has taken a thread that has nothing to do with him and once again turned it into a bitch about how he was globally banned, it's simple, piss enough people off and eventually they will ban you, bt is a microcosm of real life after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by sez
As for your weird rave about mudd being 'd0xed' it has nothing to do with the situation mudd has taken the decision to speak out knowing full well it may lead to retribution in the form of his personal details being leaked.
I wonder just how many of you keyboard warriors would react in the same situation? How many would have the courage of their convictions to speak out ?
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Originally Posted by jayrite
and you wonder why no one gave any info on him having access to an account here with dickheads like you spewing misinformed diarrhea from ya lips. See I can talk shit and flame people as well.
as for sez book of fiction i think its been covered well enough above by more then 1 person so this all I have to say about that.
Albo you've taken this thread way off topic. From what I know, the main problem, if any, is that it took Serb leaking privileged info on several well respected tracker staff members before any action was taken. By this stage it would be ridiculous for bt figures not to shun him. Thankfully, these guys from TiT put themselves on the line to do what everybody else was too scared to do, and I personally can only commend them for their actions.
As for TiT closing, I agree that that is the only possible conclusion to this. If the core staff are divided between the morality of this, there is really no other permanent solution.
One of the most interesting things about polemical topics like this one is the polarity between the tone of posts. There are people posting reasonable, thoughtful comments and those posting hyperbolic, angry ad hominem attacks. Alone that is not very significant, but considering the fact that they form the opposing camps of the argument, it is clear that altogether this phenomenon is illuminating.
Let's try keeping this in perspective. First of all, WE didn't post anything about this on FST. It was copied from another forum and posted here.
We certainly don't feel ANY need to justify ourselves here, knowing just how many trolls inhabit the premises. Not to say that everyone at FST is a troll, because I know some people here are actually capable of intelligent thought and speech. Just not all of them.
Albo, keep breaking rules intentionally, and you're no better than Serb yourself. The difference is, he actually started out as a staff project, and cared about enforcing the site rules, and this wasn't JUST at TiT. He didn't run around on a crusade to piss off trackers like you did. No one gives a shit that you got yourself banned. If Serb had releases some real life info on you, then you might actually have a say in this thread.
To address the misconception that some asshat had, that TiT's name was used to make a profit, you don't have the first clue about anything. TiT has not come even close to paying its bills in the year plus that it has been back. Nor have we asked people for donations, or offered ratio for money. Why not? Because no one likes getting pestered by PM's or emails about donating money, and no one should be excused from trying to maintain a ratio just because they donate. That wouldn't be far to the people who actually make an effort. As for "using TiT's name," well, considering that I am the only remaining person who was staff on the old TiT, which was closed in 2006 when BREIN went after the old owner, I have a right to use the name. I own the code and the user database from which invites were sent when the site finally reopened. The current code and user database will be locked away, and will never be used to spam anyone once the site has closed its doors.
You want to know why Serb wasn't banned the first time he exposed personal info? Because we tried to give him a chance, we tried to educate him on ethics, and we tried to make him see that it was wrong. Isn't that what a lot of you piss and moan about around here, that you should be given a chance? Yes, it is. Don't be hypocritical and not apply it to ALL situations.
FYI, Serb has not been staff on TiT for the last couple of months, the same at GFT. Exposing tracker staff info apparently happened, before, during, and after his departure, and TiT/GFT staff were not the only staff who knew about what he was doing. He bragged to anyone who would listen. By the way, those of you who know that almost all trackers prohibit invite and account trading, which should be EVERYBODY here, when's the last time you went and told tracker staff that one of your fellow FST members was trading their invites or accounts? Again, not a blanket statement about all FST members, but don't kid yourself and pretend like trading doesn't go on behind closed doors here. That's the reason half of the trolls here hate trackers and talk shit in general. Break the rules, sooner or later you get broken, semantics and reasoning aside. If you can't say that you turn over wrongdoers to the proper authorities (in terms of private trackers), then you CANNOT come into this thread and fault anyone else for not doing what you think they should have done. And yes, it IS wrong if the trackers have stated their opposition to it. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, as it has been quoted.
Incidentally, FST is not the only target of the trackers and staff who zealously hunt traders and cheaters. Contrary to popular belief, you are not the only haven of this type of thing. And honestly, while I'd rather not put up with either one, I think I'd rather have a trader who would actually try to then follow the rules and maintain his account, than either a trader who only trades for money, or a cheater who screws everyone over.
And TiT isn't closing for any singular reason. It's a combination of many things, not all of which any of you know about, and some of which none of you will ever know about. Fear of Serb has nothing to do with it though. He could pre on me tomorrow, and even if it was actually accurate info, I wouldn't be admitting to the fact. I fear no one but God. Honestly, the majority of the time when anyone pre's this kind of info, it's inaccurate, or completely wrong. The guy who was selling Oink invites last year, whom the top man himself posted real life info on, even he was alleged to have had faulty information, and that some guy who had nothing to do with the kid who was selling received a lot of nasty phone calls.
Some of you wish harm on us, and yet you're bitching in the same breath about Detale's personal info being leaked? Double standard, perhaps? Maybe you're applying your selective reasoning to this, instead of being objective? I thought so. I'll admit that in light of this thread, I've actually got more respect for the general IQ of FST than I did coming in. Of course, some of you do nothing to help FST's reputation, and I'd dare say that you could make a cess pool seem attractive by comparison. Sorry, but I've got to get in the obligatory insults as well, No one's a saint, you know, as someone much earlier in this thread said.
Recap: The subject of this thread was copied from another forum to this one, and from there, everyone here decided to throw their two cents in, very few whom have much inside information, and many who have absolutely no information at all. We hated tracker staffers are perfectly willing to have a reasonable discussion with people, provided they aren't spewing shit and wildly errant speculation all over the place. Present yourself in an intelligent manner, without a vendetta attached, and you'll get a lot farther. Also, people who are honest usually get more leniency than those who deny things to the bitter end, and that goes both ways. But you can do what you want with my poast, assuming you could stick around long enough to read it all. Kudos to those who did.