BT politics general thread. Oh, the drama

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Originally Posted by sez

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

I know this is off topic, and I am asking to be flamed for this post but what are fst's rules even here for?

"There will be no excessive use of profanity. Please keep all foul language to a minimum. Action will be taken against those who choose to disobey, no exceptions."

"There will be no offensive or inflammatory posts meant to offend or hurt any other member(s) or guest(s) of this forum. The use of racial, ethnic, gender based insults, contents or discriminatory comments of any kind will not be allowed or tolerated. Expect action against you if you do. "

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rules are meant to be a guideline you retard.Unlike the insults you throw at fst in your ircs,the spirit of the text that you just posted carries more weight and meaning than the letter.And you are kinda forgetting that you are the one who started with the insults.

In the meantime though you can go idle in irc for upload credit big shot with an @ and not +v lol ;).

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When phrases like "no exceptions" are used they shouldn't be guide lines.

And I dont idle anywhere for upload credit so I am pretty sure u think I am someone else. I idle in 1 maybe two irc channels. I know mudd, but dont even know most of this irc "gang" you are referring to.

I dont think I started the insults either. I asked "who the fuck are you" that is not an insult. It is cursing, but not an insult. I didnt even go look at my first post, so i guess I could be wrong.. But I would bet mudd was insulted (likely by you) before I even posted here.

And I dont diss on fst. If I hated this place so much do you think I would still have an account here. Im sorry I dont enjoy flaming like you kids. If I hated this place i would just go away. I gotta say I can see why more and more of the respected bit members that arent 13 are leaving. It seems like everyday the number of little trolls increases.

So I'll leave this thread with this. Have a nice life.

Edit: Idol, I respect you more than you probably realize. The day you walk away will be a shitty day for fst. I can only imagine the headache that staffing here is. I am not saying anything needs to change (that wouldnt be my place), but it is kinda funny looking at the board rules.

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Originally Posted by 4bY

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Originally Posted by BlastGT1

You want to know why Serb wasn't banned the first time he exposed personal info? Because we tried to give him a chance, we tried to educate him on ethics, and we tried to make him see that it was wrong. Isn't that what a lot of you piss and moan about around here, that you should be given a chance? Yes, it is. Don't be hypocritical and not apply it to ALL situations.

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So you gave him a chance.Then why didnt you bust his ass when he did the second time?Still educating him on ethics etc? ... ... ...

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lol, funny shit. i wonder how come they've been so human, so kind, altruistic and patient with such a character while they never give a second chance to any trader/cheater - even the reformed ones who did nothing but breaking the rules cause they were just inexperienced.

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

When phrases like "no exceptions" are used they shouldn't be a guide line.

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i guess "no exceptions" mean no distinction between member, whoever the person is.

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

And I dont diss on fst. If I hated this place so much do you think I would still have an account here. Im sorry I dont enjoy flaming like you kids. If I hated this place i would just go away. I gotta say I can see why more and more of the respected bit members that arent 13 are leaving. It seems like everyday the number of little trolls increases.

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No, what you are seeing leaving this place is weak people who can't deal with negative comments or discussions, and who prefer to put lube on their lips. There are plenty of those, and that's why, just like in human history, some prevail, others follow.

And check your facts, Google and a couple more site stats analysers show an increase on hits on this forum of over 15% since August. And a steady climb on the overall rank of big boards.
There are single threads alone who have far more hits than any other filesharing forum on the internet, all threads summed.

So, once again, people are very misinformed. Not saying you had to know this, there's no reason to, but just telling you can't assume what you hear from other kids to be factual. They're just that, IRC kids.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

And check your facts, Google and a couple more site stats analysers show an increase on hits on this forum of over 15% since August. And a steady climb on the overall rank of big boards.
There are single threads alone who have far more hits than any other filesharing forum on the internet, all threads summed.

So, once again, people are very misinformed. Not saying you had to know this, there's no reason to, but just telling you can't assume what you hear from other kids to be factual. They're just that, IRC kids.

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I never said that the number of hits is going down. Or the number of members. I said that a lot of the old school bit torrenters have been leaving gradually for some time now. Maybe because they cant take negativity like you said, maybe because they are just sick of it.

Edit: cinephilia. You may be right and i am just misinterpreting the rule :)

another edit :P I know I said I was leaving this thread before. I meant I was done arguing over this BS. That is why I am responding to this comment. Because I dont mind civilized conversation, im just done feeding the trolls.

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

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Originally Posted by 4bY

So you gave him a chance.Then why didnt you bust his ass when he did the second time?Still educating him on ethics etc? ... ... ...

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lol, funny shit. i wonder how come they've been so human, so kind, altruistic and patient with such a character while they never give a second chance to any trader/cheater - even the reformed ones who did nothing but breaking the rules cause they were just inexperienced.

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lol, to think someone banned for trading was never given a second chance is silly. There are plenty of people given a second chance.

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Originally Posted by MuddSlinger

lol, to think someone banned for trading was never given a second chance is silly. There are plenty of people given a second chance.

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hmmm since you dont get what is meant by the above lines then lemme rephrase the question for you,how many chances did you give Serb before you decided to stop co-opertaing with him and revealed everything "public"???

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

And check your facts, Google and a couple more site stats analysers show an increase on hits on this forum of over 15% since August. And a steady climb on the overall rank of big boards.
There are single threads alone who have far more hits than any other filesharing forum on the internet, all threads summed.

So, once again, people are very misinformed. Not saying you had to know this, there's no reason to, but just telling you can't assume what you hear from other kids to be factual. They're just that, IRC kids.

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I never said that the number of hits is going down. Or the number of members. I said that a lot of the old school bit torrenters have been leaving gradually for some time now. Maybe because they cant take negativity like you said, maybe because they are just sick of it.

Edit: cinephilia. You may be right and i am just misinterpreting the rule :)

another edit :P I know I said I was leaving this thread before. I meant I was done arguing over this BS. That is why I am responding to this comment. Because I dont mind civilized conversation, im just done feeding the trolls.

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I believe the difference comes when we have to define what's a "old schooler".
The current definition nowadays is old school = guy/girl who managed to enter all the leet sites, and now believes he is old school.
Many people can be old school, they just have to go to the right suck up places and eventually they get there, in a short time span.
So, considering who is oldschool and who is not goes a long way.
Now that I stop to think, I'm very old skool. I've been online filesharing since mid-nineties. From BBS, DDC, DC, napster, newsgroups, emule, gnutella, audiogalaxy, scene and finally bittorrent, I've done it all, and staffed/owned quite a few sites during those protocol's golden era. Not bragging here, actually I'm older than the average member, so it's normal I've been around.
My oldskool :P opinion is that BT is the worst community oriented protocol EVER. Due to the magic word "invites" and the exclusivity.
That creates a "social ladder" unseen before. And as kids now have since quite young age internet access paid by their parents, and a lot of free time on their hands, the protocol is mostly delivered to pre pubescent kids, and some who aren't but behave as such.
Don't get me wrong, most scene racers are also on the same age, unless things changed a lot in the couple past years. I used to compare them to WoW players.

This is why I stay at this forum and so severely frown upon places where you have to follow rules of conduct in order to kiss ass and climb that "social ladder".
This place reflects, for the best and for the worst, the reality of the BT scene, and when I see people criticising FST, I think how ironic it is when they are criticising the same reality they helped create: the bt community.

Like you said, it depends on how you define "old school". When I say old school I mean those that have the true spirit of filesharing. Being in "leet" sites has nothing to do with it. Although the people who have this spirit do end up in some of the "leet" communities a lot of the time, I dont define them by where they are.

Cabalo has the point

//hagckz0r wants back to kindergarden :D

Since I have been called out, I'll post.

I'm not happy with Serb releasing personal info of people. I knew he had some info (but I didn't know he had that much). I thought he had it just in case.

IMO, Serb is someone with a short fuse. He's temperamental, like, well most people from the Balkans. I don't understand why he would go to such extents just for the fun of it, though.

And yes I have laughed to his corny jokes, but guess what, he laughed to mine in return. We kinda traded, lol.

I don't know Blast that well, but I do know mudd. And I do know that he's a no BS guy (much like Albo). If he didn't like something Serb was doing, he told him, prolly throwing some f words in the mix.

I agree with BlastGT1 about Albo starting a tracker. It'd prolly go down in the first 2 weeks, since everyone would be banned for disrespecting the staff, lol.

Being old school means you've been through more than one filesharing protocol, btw. And it also means that you're old which isn't good. :P

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

Like you said, it depends on how you define "old school". When I say old school I mean those that have the true spirit of filesharing. Being in "leet" sites has nothing to do with it. Although the people who have this spirit do end up in some of the "leet" communities a lot of the time, I dont define them by where they are.

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Are you aware that you are an exception to the rule then?

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

And check your facts, Google and a couple more site stats analysers show an increase on hits on this forum of over 15% since August. And a steady climb on the overall rank of big boards.
There are single threads alone who have far more hits than any other filesharing forum on the internet, all threads summed.

So, once again, people are very misinformed. Not saying you had to know this, there's no reason to, but just telling you can't assume what you hear from other kids to be factual. They're just that, IRC kids.

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I never said that the number of hits is going down. Or the number of members. I said that a lot of the old school bit torrenters have been leaving gradually for some time now. Maybe because they cant take negativity like you said, maybe because they are just sick of it.

Edit: cinephilia. You may be right and i am just misinterpreting the rule :)

another edit :P I know I said I was leaving this thread before. I meant I was done arguing over this BS. That is why I am responding to this comment. Because I dont mind civilized conversation, im just done feeding the trolls.

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You never said that the number of hits was going down...
However for a while it was/has been.
It actually has gone down and up quite a bit over the last year.
(Never really increasing.)
Nov 08 22k visits per MONTH avg.
Dec 08 28k visits per Month avg.
Jan 09 28.5k visits per Month avg.
Feb 09 23k visits per Month avg.
Mar 09 30.5k visits per Month avg.
Apr 09 28k visits per Month avg.
May 09 21k visits per Month avg.
Jun 09 20k visits per Month avg.
Jul 09 21k visits per Month avg.
Aug 09 25k visits per Month avg.
Sep 09 32k visits per Month avg.
Oct 09 19k visits per Month avg.
Nov 09 22k visits per Month avg.
Dec 09 23k visits per Month avg.
Note: This is unique visitors so even though Albo and others may use 7 or more diff accounts here they only count as 1 towards the figures.
P.S. These stats are taken from an internal tracking script within the source code of this very site. Not from google estimates. I took the liberty of rounding them off for better estimating uses.

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Like I care.

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Again this can be taken is a blanket statement

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Originally Posted by The_Martinator

Being old school means you've been through more than one filesharing protocol, btw. And it also means that you're Martin which isn't good. :P

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its kindergarten!! :P (German == win)

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

And I dont diss on fst. If I hated this place so much do you think I would still have an account here. Im sorry I dont enjoy flaming like you kids. If I hated this place i would just go away. I gotta say I can see why more and more of the respected bit members that arent 13 are leaving. It seems like everyday the number of little trolls increases.

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No, what you are seeing leaving this place is weak people who can't deal with negative comments or discussions, and who prefer to put lube on their lips. There are plenty of those, and that's why, just like in human history, some prevail, others follow.

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how about people that are just tired of arguing with others who seem to not want to understand like albo?

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

I dont define them by where they are.

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Are you aware that you are an exception to the rule then?

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I may be misunderstanding you (slightly buzzed at the moment), but yeah I realize a lot of people dont think of "old school" members the same way I do. I base the term on mentality, not where they are or even how long they have been file sharing.

I apologize if I am totally misunderstanding you.

@ vinceftw: You're saying he is a troll?
How would you classify posts like this?

And what about people who ignore those who come here to show their real childish behaviour?

There's room for everybody, even for you.

@that1guy: you got me right.

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

I said that a lot of the old school bit torrenters have been leaving gradually for some time now. Maybe because they cant take negativity like you said, maybe because they are just sick of it.

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The overly sensitive people have been leaving, which is a good thing IMO.

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Originally Posted by That1Guy

I said that a lot of the old school bit torrenters have been leaving gradually for some time now. Maybe because they cant take negativity like you said, maybe because they are just sick of it.

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Some people leave out of boredom. I mean, why stay when you're at the end of the line? Not everyone has a reasonable answer to that question.

Or they are just expanding their bootleg dvd business,china is a tough market to cover though :unsure:

And yo sup "big shot" how bout you pull some 1337 strings on this one http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...st-req-386943/ ...nicely put,right?
And stop talking like you've been possessed by demons of your mid-life crisis.

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Originally Posted by sez

Or they are just expanding their bootleg dvd business,china is a tough market to cover though :unsure:

And yo sup "big shot" how bout you pull some 1337 strings on this one http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...st-req-386943/ ...nicely put,right?
And stop talking like you've been possessed by demons of your mid-life crisis.

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Im assuming you are talking to me right? (you seem to have gotten a kick out of my "big shot" comment). I am not staff at ftn if that is what you are thinking. And I dont have any invites :/. If you werent thinking that, then I have absolutely no clue what you are trying to get across.

And I am not old enough for a mid life crisis. . .

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

@ vinceftw: You're saying he is a troll?
How would you classify posts like this?

And what about people who ignore those who come here to show their real childish behaviour?

There's room for everybody, even for you.

@that1guy: you got me right.

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that was a sincere request!
/me blames teh bunny <33333333 :P
I don't really care, what you want to call him.
Thx BlastGT1 btw :)

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Originally Posted by Albo

Your site sucks more ass than my lips, blah blah blah.....

You're a pathetic loser with no life who is trying to take my spot, so I must crush you with my blah blah blah.....

I'll insult you on this site because you can't do anything to me here, blah blah blah.....

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FYI, what I just did above, that's called a "reduction". Reducing someone's character to a tiny sample.


Really, get a new approach, and some new lines. Let's see here.....I work 45-50 hours a week, I have a wife who works full time, and we're raising 2 kids. We pay for housing, vehicles, utilities, groceries, schooling and daycare. We actually stay home and take care of our kids, save for the rare occasion where we can get someone to babysit, so we can actually have a nice dinner without all the fuss, and maybe do something fun. It would be irresponsible to leave them to their own devices and just do what we felt like doing instead.

Just because I let my client idle 24/7 in IRC doesn't mean I'm actually there. You DO understand the term "idling" don't you? You know, if someone paid me to do it, I probably wouldn't mind spending all my time in IRC. And how would you know if I was in IRC all the time, all these YEARS as you say, unless you were there to witness it? Takes one to know one.

Yes, I know there's a trade section in plain sight. I've also seen the "super secret trusted trader" section by way of screenshots. And that wasn't from Serb, lest you get off on that tangent again.

Forgive me, I'm going off memory here, as I just can't be arsed to go back and quote everything you said. It just wasn't worth the effort.

Honestly, Albo, I don't care that you're opinionated. That can be an advantage. It's the fact that you'll pop off at pretty much everyone associated with running a tracker that makes your arguments less believable, and you that much less trustworthy. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as they say, and I'm imagining that you're pretty mad that your ass got greased once or twice.

I keep hearing over and over about how "you should have done this the first time" or "Why didn't you do that after such and such". You keep missing the point that Mudd was making, that it was beyond his control. It was also beyond mine because I do not own the hosting for the site. Yes, I know, it sucks anyway so I should have just shut it down. And I'm sure I suck because I don't have the cash to pay for a server on my own. Sorry about that life that I mentioned above. It costs money too. I'd rather feed my kids than play online, and generosity only extends so far before lack of member participation and other issues necessitate a hard decision.

By the way, Serb has MONTHS in the torrent world as staff, not YEARS. He was never around for such a long period as you think. Perhaps your perception of time was warped for some reason. If he's staff anywhere right now, he's hidden, and certainly not facing the public. And unless my fellow SysOps have been fleecing me all along and taking great pains to hide his trail, he's not staff on TiT.

And no, we WON'T tell you everything about a situation. Especially not in a public place such as this. Some things are handled internally, some things are not. Again, Mudd didn't post here for your scrutiny, although his post was transferred here by someone who obviously thought it would be good to make it a big public thing. If it's because someone finally spoke up and AGREED with you all about Serb, then why are you flaming the shit out of them for it?

The day any of you detractors run a site, I'd be happy to have a talk. I'll even sit down with you and tell you what you can expect. I've helped virtually everyone who has asked for it in the community, and that includes many regular members, not just staff.

I'm just curious here, but what's YOUR ideal tracker going to be like? I'm asking Albo primarily, but I'd love to hear honest opinions from everyone. More to the point, how would YOU run one? Ban every person who popped off at you, or give people a fair chance to get it off their chest and see things clearly first? Should you REALLY trust that someone who got caught trading or cheating won't do it again? How do you know that this isn't the second, third, fourth, or fifth time they've been busted? How do you decide on letting X stay, while banning Y, when they both did the same thing? They all give the SAME excuses. Many trackers DO give a cheater, trader, or multiple account holder a second chance, either with a new account under watch, or having to take what's often the worst account, stats-wise. You wouldn't know this if you're not in the tracker staff circuit, or have a friend who is. But humor me. Tell me the system you'd have in place, If you've got good ideas, I'd be thrilled to hear them, because good ideas can come from anywhere and everywhere, sometimes where you least expect.

Interesting, very interesting discussion you are suggesting.
Unfortunately, I've to go out now but will be back in few hours.

One thing, and really I'm not making any trick question, nor taking any side:
What's your view, as a sysop, and how would you scale in a level of potential harm to a site, 1.) random public giveaways without any scrutiny 2.) Public giveaways with the scrutiny of the site staff i.e. site where they're being made at 3.) the trader who trades with someone and will actually use the account actively for his own benefit 4.) traders who trade their ass off in a never-ending pursuit of the "level 10" El Dorado?

I have some ideas on this one, and I promise I'll write them down later when I return.

Serb is a jerk. Mudd is other ... just because he trusted and accepted Serb's actions.

Just a reminder this is not a place to insult people just because you feel you can with impunity.

Actually nowhere is there a place where it is appropriate to be insult people whatever your feelings happen to be about them.

And I'm not just talking to you durex but to Albo and others as well.

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Originally Posted by BlastGT1

Yes, I know there's a trade section in plain sight. I've also seen the "super secret trusted trader" section by way of screenshots. And that wasn't from Serb, lest you get off on that tangent again.

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There is no super secret tracing section and there hasn't been one for as long as I've been staffing here.
There used to be a section called VTC or something like that be it was scrapped along with middlemen quite a while ago .It wasn't "secret it was only inaccessible to normal members that's all.
This is not a defense of anything I'm merely giving you the true facts.

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Originally Posted by BlastGT1

I'm just curious here, but what's YOUR ideal tracker going to be like? I'm asking Albo primarily, but I'd love to hear honest opinions from everyone. More to the point, how would YOU run one? Ban every person who popped off at you, or give people a fair chance to get it off their chest and see things clearly first? Should you REALLY trust that someone who got caught trading or cheating won't do it again? How do you know that this isn't the second, third, fourth, or fifth time they've been busted? How do you decide on letting X stay, while banning Y, when they both did the same thing? They all give the SAME excuses. Many trackers DO give a cheater, trader, or multiple account holder a second chance, either with a new account under watch, or having to take what's often the worst account, stats-wise. You wouldn't know this if you're not in the tracker staff circuit, or have a friend who is. But humor me. Tell me the system you'd have in place, If you've got good ideas, I'd be thrilled to hear them, because good ideas can come from anywhere and everywhere, sometimes where you least expect.

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As per idoleyes,I'll try to be civil as I can but as you've so well stated,you took a volitional step to not tell the whole story.I would think given such as our disposition its concievably within reason for those who can to conjecture from what's at hand what the complete anecdote might have been.You being as distressed over this just goes on to explain how unaware you are of some of the choices you make.

Still on this subject of withholding information,I think its interesting how you went about handling this whole mess.I find it unprincipled and utterly diabolic that while you chose to reserve some information within this BT circle of influence,you also felt the need to subject serb to a public lynch.

I think its clear by now that unlike the TPS where most people would support mudd just because he has access to alot of invites in alot of places FST presents itself as the absolute opposite.

Looking at the morality of the situation,an upright person wouldn't have done what mudd did and that's why you saw me constantly raising the issue of vendetta similarly to the subjective nature of this thread.And that's how I intend to perceive him till that time when he shall get off his high horse and admit to at least this one mistake.

And anybody reading this shouldn't find the insults as a suprise.The idea of a shit thread was his,he clearly was expecting people to shit on serb the guy they all loved to hate but unfortunately the shit was on him and his distorted idea of right and wrong.

Its really a shame to also see some of the most experienced torrenters supporting him,no questions asked just because they know him,I like to think of them as zombies who lack the independence of conscious.Do you honestly think he was/is the bigger/the better man by how he played this?You tell me how somebody wouldn't see malicious intent.

This information was completely useless to the average torrenter and if you had foresight,you would have known that you were simply brewing e-drama.

And to answer your last question blast,all I know is that I wouldn't give a known obsessive compulsive hacker whom I've known for just a few MONTHS any privileges beyond user.

And if anybody has been paying attention,this tracker seems to have had some dangerously myopic individuals within its ranks and as we all can see,the fruits of poor judgement and uneducated decisions is always failure.

Its not necessarily the who or the what but the how also matters.If anything,that's what I'd take from this.
And also taking responsibility where you are owed to.

fucking drama.

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Originally Posted by BlastGT1

I'd be thrilled to hear them, because good ideas can come from anywhere and everywhere, sometimes where you least expect.

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An ideal tracker shuld be --Sysops,admins,mods well known to each other for 2 years min - yeah great friends. --Need heavy investments (consider the passion) :D --Allow only the friends and proved to be good users, A collector also can be a good user sometimes. --You cannot stop trading, try to increase the levels its getting traded :) --Take time to grow, 1 year minimum --Identify good users and invite them to join. --Automated security system if something goes wrong. Now laugh

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Yeah , this could be an ideal tracker. After 1 year we can see ur user and than if u want u can close invite system if u want a good tracker without trader

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Originally Posted by C-mos

fucking drama.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

Interesting, very interesting discussion you are suggesting.
Unfortunately, I've to go out now but will be back in few hours.

One thing, and really I'm not making any trick question, nor taking any side:
What's your view, as a sysop, and how would you scale in a level of potential harm to a site, 1.) random public giveaways without any scrutiny 2.) Public giveaways with the scrutiny of the site staff i.e. site where they're being made at 3.) the trader who trades with someone and will actually use the account actively for his own benefit 4.) traders who trade their ass off in a never-ending pursuit of the "level 10" El Dorado?

I have some ideas on this one, and I promise I'll write them down later when I return.

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i know u are not asking me and my opinion wont mean anything.
but to me, number 3 (this is what stoi has always used as an example) is the least to harm a site coming in second is number 2.
number 4 is situational. i.e take 4pirates as an example. he is the real hardcore trader who really pursuits and collects every tracker. but he does not harm the sites he is at since those sites is still running. it's the people he traded with who may harm the site. if he checks carefully whom he traded with then it should be fine.
besides, potential harm does not often come from traders, scammers, etc. but its likely from the internal problem between staffs, or hardware failure.

im just stating my opinion..this maybe invalid. better answers should come from blastGT or any other staffs

I just have fun with trading and nothing from trades is for me. Its for friends and families. Yes because of trading I have globally banned for few times lost level 10s 9s or even very rare sites.
All attacks was coming from Serb etc. etc. And his message is simple quit or die but sorry I have a character of my own, only I can say I quit no one can let me.
I cant be forced or abused so what If I am global banned and lost everything and next day I was in for all of it again. I am not saying next month or next year. I am saying exactly 1 minute after.
I have a cause and I dont care about what others think. I am reseraching and torrent trading is a part of my thesis.
This is my project and even If I have to start from scratch new beginning, I will do it again as long as I want.
Anyways enough of me. I have been recently attacked from revolt.org.uk thats the only site lets Serb use it as a gaming tool and Can you imagine I helped that site long time ago and even got my first FSC and e**** from them.
So I already forgive the place just seeing revolt weaker than ever was sad.
Revolt guys supported Serb (maybe he is even admin there) like these Tit guys. Nah forgeting is greatness but If thats a kid and If he plays dirty.
I will not even move a finger but I will never forget it too. Like you have all these connections, This man is pretty connected too and who can know who is really who in this torrenting industry.
Last but not least rumour is I was about the get invited to some special traders area at right here but that offer never reached me, reason is top of the cream is still controlled and I really dont much care it.

There is a trading section at this lovely FST forum and yes I am supportting it. Whats my crime? If you build it they will come, lolz.

MAN is born free; and everywhere he is in irons. One thinks himself the master of others, and still remains a greater slave than they.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

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Originally Posted by BlastGT1

I keep hearing over and over about how "you should have done this the first time" or "Why didn't you do that after such and such". You keep missing the point that Mudd was making, that it was beyond his control. It was also beyond mine because I do not own the hosting for the site. Yes, I know, it sucks anyway so I should have just shut it down. And I'm sure I suck because I don't have the cash to pay for a server on my own. Sorry about that life that I mentioned above. It costs money too. I'd rather feed my kids than play online, and generosity only extends so far before lack of member participation and other issues necessitate a hard decision.

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I think the reason this rings hollow is after all venom directed to traders and sellers about the damage they might hypothetically do to a site and it's members, when here there's someone actually damaging people, you sit back and do nothing for months. No, perhaps you couldn't have shut down the site right away, but within the first or second time you could have resigned publicly and told everyone about the people who were defending Serb so the rest of us could ostracize them.

The similar happened when I believe the site ScenePiracy was shut down - they started revealing personal details of all the suspected traders and sellers. Melvin was there cheering them on - I deleted my Tophos account that night.

You can make any number of excuses for why you participated as long you did, but the rest of us see it for what it is - corruption. Remaining in good graces with your friends was more important than the members' privacy.

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Originally Posted by sez

Its really a shame to also see some of the most experienced torrenters supporting him,no questions asked just because they know him,I like to think of them as zombies who lack the independence of conscious.Do you honestly think he was/is the bigger/the better man by how he played this?You tell me how somebody wouldn't see malicious intent.

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There's this thing called trust. I don't hand it out on a daily basis, but some people I've met have earned mine. Not that I'm an experienced torrenter or a bigshot, so that doesn't matter to the outside world.

And yeah, he's a scumbag for being human. He really started taking measures when he sensed he was in trouble. It's good to see your horse is higher than his. Be carefull, though the fall might hurt. :lol:

Seriously, I have nothing against you, sez. But I prefer to sit the drama out nowadays. I don't have time for it, so I just choose a side that's closer to me, or feels right. Mkay? :whistling

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Originally Posted by 4pirates

I just have fun with trading and nothing from trades is for me. Its for friends and families.

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wow, what an altruistic person you are! thanks for the laugh! :lol:

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Originally Posted by 4pirates

I am reseraching and torrent trading is a part of my thesis. This is my project [...]

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except that projects and thesis have a goal.
looks like to me that you have too much time on your hands and no friends to fill it with.
don't get me wrong, i don't blame you for that, i just find it sad that some people are being reduced to practice such a stupid and useless hobby (trading inv./acc.) to give sense to their lives.

a sad outlet if you ask me.

cinephilia you tried to impersonate me few days ago. You still at my ignore list. I see This message is hidden because cinephilia is on your ignore list. If any of your post includes me, my first statement that I write to your private personally still applies.
Stay away from me. You are the one used my custom avatar and signature without even asking. You dont have some moral values and you are acting like a child.
I am pretty sure 90 percent of your comments are negative they were negative always. You only bring negativeness to this board and please step a side (Dont use me at your posts ever).

Having have studied about Rousseau a bit, I have to tell you that you used his quote in the wrong context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract_theory

Trading kinda goes a different path, IMO.

Most trackers who pursue traders just do so because it's the 'thing' to do. A standard has been set, and they want to fit in, because doing otherwise could get them 'excluded'. Some of the trackers that are the most active in trader hunting aren't even all that popular or difficult to get into through normal means, hell they even hold open signups. I'm not saying all are like that, personally I'm against trading, but a lot of the trader hunting is just to fit in or feel important. Personally I don't like it because I feel each account should be a single individual, and I've recently been having doubts about global banning just for trading invites. Sure, places don't want to be used as currency, and they want to ensure their member quality, but the chance of a terrible member getting in via normal invitation means is just as likely as one trading in. Often people just don't realize it, it's not really uncommon for friends from IRC chat rooms and stuff that aren't really hardcore into the torrent scene to just go 'Hey, I've got this invite, and you've got that one, how about we swap?' I mean people who constantly do it on trading forums to 'move up the ladder' obviously don't have a whole lot of respect for the rules, but people who do things like I mentioned above just don't know any better. The only reason I'm bringing that little rant up is because it's not uncommon these days to see someone who says something along the lines of 'Yeah I gave my friend x and he gave me y' in an interview for a site or something to get shit on.

I'm a little mixed on public giveaways as well. I'm completely against ones that require no sort of proofs because you have no real idea whether that person is capable, but I also feel it's somewhat exclusionary for those who are not on any private trackers or may have slow connections and are great members in the long run, and it's also not terribly hard to pass on fake proofs especially if the person has no account on the sites you're using proofs from.

Overall, none of them *really* put most sites at risk, the only risk is mainly involved in the smaller, closer communities, and essentially 'unkowns' getting in that they may not want in their closed community.

I will say I have no reservations or tolerance for cheating and invite selling though.

tl;dr: Just some random person expressing their views that you probably don't care about.

Nah. Most trackers pursue traders not because its the thing to do. Its because of security paranoia. The established ones wont be excluded from anything.

This thread has gone 100 miles off topic.

The fact that a 'trusted staff member' in the torrent community has gone so far off the rails is very worrying. Typical site staff give up a lot of time, energy and their own money to keep their sites going. Its a labour of love regardless of what any ordinary member or outsider thinks of their site.

All the personality conflicts aside, NO ONE should be put in the position of having their personal details exposed online. Everyone who downloads a file from any site is breaking the copyright law. I have always been of the opinion we are in this together and fair enough, you can get warned banned or whatever because of site policies but theres a line you dont EVER cross and thats the line with the authorities. Then its gets too real.

Just my 2c :)

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Originally Posted by 4pirates

cinephilia you tried to impersonate me few days ago. You still at my ignore list. I see This message is hidden because cinephilia is on your ignore list. If any of your post includes me, my first statement that I write to your private personally still applies.
Stay away from me. You are the one used my custom avatar and signature without even asking. You dont have some moral values and you are acting like a child.
I am pretty sure 90 percent of your comments are negative they were negative always. You only bring negativeness to this board and please step a side (Dont use me at your posts ever).

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that's just what I thought - he didn't ignore me :D