Torrenting - Is the end getting closer ?

Friend status is possibly the only reason topsites end up dying. Idiots leave their friends who are security risks on the topsites. Connections, members of groups that died, they all shouldn't be there. And yet they are, they get exposed because they don't hide themselves well, and the whole site topples over.

And Im talking about topsites with top affils, who do you think pays for the best topsites out there? Torrenting communities. For example when TV-Land died, everything came down to a halt. When Loop died, same thing happened. Actually, EVERYONE noticed it when Loop died. The season finale of Dexter wasn't anywhere for a good 4 hours, because not many other topsites had enough affils/racers to get it around as it does, normally.

EDIT: You actually think a topsite that has a 120TB repository is paid for and maintained by the affils on it? Nearly the whole scene is P2P affiliated, and if you're going to be a hypocrite and say I'm wrong, ask yourself what YOU are doing here.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

The problem is, bittorrent, according to recent statistics, could account for upto 55% of all INTERNET TRAFFIC

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Yea right,in that about 5% is the real traffic,rest are buffers which no one use.Seriously does anyone use the SCC packs apart from making buffer?

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Newsgroups? Expensive crap. I mean, no offense, I understand some people's fascination with it, but if you're going to pay to file SHARE,

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Pay 11$ and get everything you want or pay 40$ for a decent seedbox for a month and keep all the private trackers alive which you use less than 10% of the actual buffer you make.
Also the old torrents which are dead.Newsgroups or Rapidshare has no such problem.
Have you ever bought a seedbox to buffer you accounts? Have you ever Donated to a site to immune yourself from inactivity,or for getting invites or for getting buffers?Then you are paying to leech.

I think the more important question is that if BT does end,what protocol would replace it? But to answer the question ,I don't think it'll end unless ISPs all over the world clamp down on torrenting.

I like all the specialty BT sites, back in the days of FTP and Newsgroups you couldn't depend on the quality and quantity of weird shit. Now it's abundant. Plus browsing various media is easier via BT sites... sometimes I just wanna find a new movie, that is +action +comedy from year 2010 that has more than 300 seeders, or something like that.

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Originally Posted by 4bY

Yea right,in that about 5% is the real traffic,rest are buffers which no one use.Seriously does anyone use the SCC packs apart from making buffer?

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Newsgroups? Expensive crap. I mean, no offense, I understand some people's fascination with it, but if you're going to pay to file SHARE,

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Pay 11$ and get everything you want or pay 40$ for a decent seedbox for a month and keep all the private trackers alive which you use less than 10% of the actual buffer you make.
Also the old torrents which are dead.Newsgroups or Rapidshare has no such problem.
Have you ever bought a seedbox to buffer you accounts? Have you ever Donated to a site to immune yourself from inactivity,or for getting invites or for getting buffers?Then you are paying to leech.

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Valid points, however allow me to disagree. Yes, I do use the SCC packs whether you believe me or not. I have the alias S01-S05 pack bookmarked, and I've been unable to find such a pack anywhere else. I'm waiting to download it once I free up some hard drive space. So to answer your questions, SCC's archive section is freeleech which means that besides building a buffer, it's a great repository for full seasons etc. For example, I don't waste my time watching seasons of shows, I wait for the show to end, then download the full season and watch it through on a fun weekend. I've known a lot of people that do the same. SCC is a great resource for that, and due to its pretimes it's also usually one of the first to have that kind of pack up, while other trackers are still trying to put up the last episode on the tracker first.

Let me reiterate about torrents. They are optionally free. No one really forces anyone to pay for torrenting. Not unless you're on some pseudo-topsite wannabe tracker. There are people out there who have never spent a dime on torrenting, and yet are ratio immune on even the highest quality/most difficult to seed trackers because they're VIPs, with nothing but community involvement to warrant their position.

I don't donate because I want invites, heck, I'm perfectly happy never inviting a single soul to any tracker. I donate because I enjoy my time on a tracker, and am appreciative of what they are doing/risking. Most of the time, I end up asking the tracker staff to strip me of any extra features that I get.

Now let me also explain why I feel my donations are due. Where else but on BitMe could I find a torrent that encompasses four years' worth of Law School notes? Where else but on HDBits could I find (when they start) the complete winter olympics capped in HDTV, for when I can't do it myself?

If you think "leeching" from the Scene is the only thing possible through trackers, then you will remain stuck on the fact that you're paying for it. Genuinely, some of the material found on private trackers is never found anywhere else, and I'm perfectly content feeling that I've "paid" in return for the favor of hosting the data.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Let me reiterate about torrents. They are optionally free. No one really forces anyone to pay for torrenting. Not unless you're on some pseudo-topsite wannabe tracker. There are people out there who have never spent a dime on torrenting, and yet are ratio immune on even the highest quality/most difficult to seed trackers because they're VIPs, with nothing but community involvement to warrant their position.

If you think "leeching" from the Scene is the only thing possible through trackers, then you will remain stuck on the fact that you're paying for it. Genuinely, some of the material found on private trackers is never found anywhere else, and I'm perfectly content feeling that I've "paid" in return for the favor of hosting the data.

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Completely echoed my thoughts there. Thx :)

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Originally Posted by 4bY

Pay 11$ and get everything you want or pay 40$ for a decent seedbox for a month and keep all the private trackers alive which you use less than 10% of the actual buffer you make.
Also the old torrents which are dead.Newsgroups or Rapidshare has no such problem.
Have you ever bought a seedbox to buffer you accounts? Have you ever Donated to a site to immune yourself from inactivity,or for getting invites or for getting buffers?Then you are paying to leech.

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I've personally never paid for a seedbox, or donated to a tracker. Newsgroups also have retention, meaning after a period of time, guess what, no file, so the problem does exist on newsgroups. I dont even want to get into rapidshare and their limits. Torrents exist as long as there are seeders, and there are plenty of files over a year old at most my trackers, many still well seeded.

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Originally Posted by mievmo

Last year we suddenly all received the news of large sites and important source of our information suddenly closed. Over the years, the fight against sharing/BT in world got stronger and more aggressive, so what does that mean? Are we approaching the end of an era Torrents? What do you think?

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Yep ... everything including BT will end December 21st, 2012 :ghey:

private sharing may just come back into the picture. simple file sharing solutions like zapr(www.zapr.com).. etc.

I can't see newsgroups taking over as the next platform for downloads. I probably represent the average user out there. I do not know everything, but know enough to get by and download what I need. I believe this is why Napster did so well back in my days and is why Torrents do well as well. Ease of use.

I do not see torrenting ending so soon.

I'm not going to read this whole thread but i will say imo there's no way the end is near for torrenting. BT will just continue to evolve and move in interesting directions. I predict we will get at least one or two great new trackers this year. People say its too hard for new trackers to succeed. Yeah if they offer nothing new and the people running them have no idea what they are doing.

There are still a few cool niches left if the people building these new trackers know what they are doing and are creative enough to really think outside the box. If you think you've seen all the innovations trackers have to offer, just wait and sometime this year you may be shocked ;)

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Originally Posted by Tokeman

I've personally never paid for a seedbox, or donated to a tracker. Newsgroups also have retention, meaning after a period of time, guess what, no file, so the problem does exist on newsgroups. I dont even want to get into rapidshare and their limits. Torrents exist as long as there are seeders, and there are plenty of files over a year old at most my trackers, many still well seeded.

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Judging from threads like this:

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-new...tations-390273

It's becoming clear that retention, at least for most of the major providers, is becoming more or less irrelevant when considering providers due to the fact that the potential storage available is growing faster than what's being uploaded to usenet.

Even if retention is a factor for your provider, within the 300-400 day span of retention a file is easily uploaded multiple times to usenet. I've yet to a see a file that I've searched for that has only been uploaded one time. Because of that, there are many older files available on usenet that due to being 2,3,4 or even more years old, would download at a crawl on BT sites due to the very small amount of seeders still remaining on the file, while you can download the file from your provider at your maximum connection speed. In that regard, I feel like BT's "retention" (if you can call it that) is actually worse than that of newsgroups.

Then again, one of the most obvious things BT has going for it, unless you're a seedbox whore paying an exorbitant fee to create a buffer, is the fact that it's free, meaning that other, more expensive methods of filesharing won't be overtaking it anytime soon.

My post wasn't meant to create a war between NG and BT.
It's pretty clear to everybody that newsgroups are a superior form of filesharing than BT, for many reasons pointed out at this thread.
BT is no longer the community/protocol I knew. And I explained why, the economics behind it destroyed its original feeling.
I can tell you for example that the first tracker ever in my country was a spin off created by many people who were at a newsgroups related forum, and who decided to create a tracker just for fun, as a community. It became huge with time, and then came the economics I talked about. Conclusion: it closed.

If bt will die or not, I hope so, only if this means a new, easily reachable by the masses and superior protocol is meanwhile created. We all want evolution. Until then it will struggle with its problems, like all other protocols had in the past.

This is positive. Innovation is what makes the world go around.

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

If bt will die or not, I hope so, only if this means a new, easily reachable by the masses and superior protocol is meanwhile created. We all want evolution. Until then it will struggle with its problems, like all other protocols had in the past.

This is positive. Innovation is what makes the world go around.

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But if BT died we would lose trackers like HDbits, musicvids, blackcats, KG, TT, BTmusic, DB9, and Norbits(dvdr's). Those are just some examples of specialty trackers that offer amazing content. Could you find most of their content on usenet?

And what about the forums at trackers like FSC, potuk, ftn, and E. If you look past the bad apples there are some tight knit communities to join in on. IDK if usenet offers the same sense of community. Maybe it does but i havent seen many usenet forums.

And what about the people who cant afford usenet, or arent even old enough to get a credit card to order it. i have met many people cant even afford rapidshare and thats only like 10 bucks a month.

Its good to have options. As an example, I like to use some trackers for some things. For other things, I use rapidshare or megaupload or emule. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, and if i lost one of them there would be a big void.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

But if BT died we would lose trackers like HDbits, musicvids, blackcats, KG, TT, BTmusic, DB9, and Norbits(dvdr's). Those are just some examples of specialty trackers that offer amazing content. Could you find most of their content on usenet?

And what about the forums at trackers like FSC, potuk, ftn, and E. If you look past the bad apples there are some tight knit communities to join in on. IDK if usenet offers the same sense of community. Maybe it does but i havent seen many usenet forums.

And what about the people who cant afford usenet, or arent even old enough to get a credit card to order it. i have met many people cant even afford rapidshare and thats only like 10 bucks a month.

Its good to have options. As an example, I like to use some trackers for some things. For other things, I use rapidshare or megaupload or emule. They all have their advantages and disadvantages, and if i lost one of them there would be a big void.

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Those groups exclusively releasing their releases on HDBits (IDK if they're still doing that, it's been months) would be bringing their content to the masses through other viable ways. If I'm not wrong, musicvids/TT also has mostly scene content too. Most people at Pedro's also usually upload music from the 20th century only.

Those "tightly-knit" communities that you speak of would be faux if they couldn't gather everybody to an IRC chan or something.

I can tell you in one look that 2 of the trackers you consider them to be "tightly-knit" has actually less than a handful of new posts everyday in their general chat threads.

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Originally Posted by Lovestoned

If I'm not wrong, musicvids/TT also has mostly scene content too.

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True for TT, but MV have mostly non-scene content. I guess MV is one of very few trackers that can't be replaced, or would need too much time to get even close to it.

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Originally Posted by pretend

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Originally Posted by Lovestoned

If I'm not wrong, musicvids/TT also has mostly scene content too.

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True for TT, but MV have mostly non-scene content. I guess MV is one of very few trackers that can't be replaced, or would need too much time to get even close to it.

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Really? But could you kindly take a look at whether people are snatching the scene content more or the non-scene? I can tell you most of them are just there for the e-penis, seeing that not many are actually interested in music videos.

I'm not going to advocate other members needs, I'm downloading non-scene. VOB selection is much bigger than scene there.
My point is, MV torrent quantity and exclusivity is too hard to substitute, I thought it's pretty clear :ermm:

Pretend is correct. I made a similar cry earlier on in this thread. Some torrent trackers offer material unavailable everywhere else. HDBits and Bitme come into mind from my experience, and clearly MV fits the quota.

Asking for torrenting to end is asking for a SOURCE not a simple distribution service to end.

In my opinion its the likes of new groups and rapidshare that are not just killing BT in general but the whole pirate commuinty. Why the anti-pirates groups aint going after these sites is beyond me. These are the true pay to leech sites, not BT trackers. I havent been to any BT site that has forced me to pay for something, yeah sure you get some that send you a PM about a donation every 5 mins but you dont have to donate. True I do donate to some sites, not just money but time and also my high bandwidth to help keeps torrents running at full speed.
Long live the private trackers I say. There are some great sites out there with great communities, hell there is some sites I have never even downloaded from but still go there just for the great fun that goes on.

By far, torrenting is the easiest and perhaps best way to share files. BT will survive until something better comes along. There is no talk of trackers to just go away and disappear. You can see new trackers opening up very often and some last for a long time. The other problem is that NG has the worst reputation for illegal content such as child abuse etc.. There is also more competition in the BT community which keeps the whole thing alive.

I don't think torrenting is anywhere near the end.I can barely count 3 sites that have gone down as a result of some anti-P2P agency in recent time.

The faces are definitely going to change but BT shall/will<---artemis?:unsure: always be here.You know some people have been doing this for the longest time and just need that final excuse to call it a day.The demise of FTWR and fort knox was that excuse for some of those who had been through it all and only did it for the community and largely considered most of the other sites ridiculous or run by tards.

So its not BT dying,its just people being replaced.Am sure stoi loves BCG but at one point or the other,things will get old and he'll either play it the feeling way or pass it on to somebody else.

Its good some columbia geek invented SIP.That,newsgroup and one click hosts just make the transition easier...I feel.

I don't think torrenting will ever end in the near future. While public trackers got a big blow in 2009, private trackers have never been bigger. More and more private trackers are popping up every day.

I think that torrenting won't end in the near future.
But nevertheless I agree with others that if this era would end,
then something better will come along.

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Originally Posted by robbee

More and more private trackers are popping up every day.

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Not all of them stay up for long, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by robbee

I don't think torrenting will ever end in the near future. While public trackers got a big blow in 2009, private trackers have never been bigger. More and more private trackers are popping up every day.

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I totally agree... I also noticed a trend towards private trackers after the big public ones got hit. This somehow excludes the majority of ppl though... So i'm not sure if this is a good development for the Filesharing community. Of course it's a great thing once you are in one of those private trackers and everyone is seeding and you get the most insane DL speeds but I find some too exclusive and hard to get in. When I read more and more about ppl selling invites to private trackers it just makes me sad.
I found Winny, Share and PerfectDark some very interesting concepts for Filesharing and hope it catches on also outside of Japan/Asia.

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Originally Posted by nobody2100

I found Winny, Share and PerfectDark some very interesting concepts for Filesharing and hope it catches on also outside of Japan/Asia.

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Using them seems to me beyond the regular filesharing experience, I couldn't even get them up and running. Maybe I'm stupid :pinch:

Anyway BT is by far one of the most advanced and prolific p2p technologies. Don't misjudge it by recent popularity decrease, it caused by authorities pressure in first place and has nothing to do with its design. Maybe it's gonna be surpassed by more advanced technology, but first someone should invent it :happy: I don't see it coming too soon.

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Originally Posted by pretend

Using them seems to me beyond the regular filesharing experience, I couldn't even get them up and running. Maybe I'm stupid :pinch:

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Getting PerfectDark to work used to be a pain in the ass. Especially if you wanted English menus. The newest version supports English natively though. So it's as simple as: Extract -> make settings in the wizard -> add some nodes and you're done ;D
I very much like the idea of anonymous file sharing. Pure leeching is impossible as you have to host at least 40GB in a unity folder and have a minimum upload speed set to 100KB/s.

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Originally Posted by nobody2100

Pure leeching is impossible as you have to host at least 40GB in a unity folder and have a minimum upload speed set to 100KB/s.

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Nothing is unbeatable...

I have read the 100kB/s minimum makes sense in Japan, which is where Perfect Dark comes from, since they have high-speed connections there.