What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk

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Originally Posted by backie

Example, theres 8 or so camera's in my building alone, basically watching everyone's front door and I don't think I've ever seen the cops dealing with any crime in the row of flats I live in. Kinda pointless cameras. In the likes of the Shetland Islands there are more cameras than in the whole of San Fransico with 5.6 cameras per 1000 people. (Source wired uk 05.10) when an area that has one of the lowest crime stats in the Uk has more camera's than San Fransico something is seriously up. It's not like they catch many criminals in the act.

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But how many people has it inconvenienced in a concrete way? Sure it's stupid (though comparing a city in britain where the cctv thing is common to a city in the US where it's not is kind of silly), but at the end of the day, the cameras are at best, pointless in regular situations. And in the unlikely event someone commits a crime in that neighbourhood, it'll be recorded.

Likewise, if you aren't a trader, the CSS monitoring system is at best, pointless. If you trade/download cheats, it'll be recorded.

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

...So really stop trying to discredit me by acting as if I don't know the limitations of the css leak.
If I click a link to a myspace or facebook the link can be viewed by the website that is abusing the css leak, that is of course if myspace.com and facebook.com are in the list of sites being used by the attacker.
The will know I have a facebook, myspace, and I use the Bank of america for my banking.

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Shit with that information, I could be at your doorstep by tomorrow!

I'll tell you right now I have facebook, no myspace, and don't use online baking, who am I? I also visited wikipedia earlier if that helps :o

Well, I've visited many of those links and even some others shadier than the ones listed.
What does that make me? Suppose you're a staffer from what.cd, who never heard of me, and you come cross with my profile and see I visited so many tagged links, what would you think? There lies the question.

it's not about facts, it's all about ethics and morality, dear ca_aok.

The folks this is catching aren't that concerned about ethics or morality :whistling

Re: Cabalo, I'd use it as supplemental evidence towards whatever you were being accused of doing. Visiting a link proves nothing by itself.

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

The folks this is catching aren't that concerned about ethics or morality :whistling

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And neither should anyone. There are no shades of gray on this matter. You're either an outstanding, upright individual lead by his morals, in which case you wouldn't torrent anything, or you are a snake that makes choices, and reaps benefits of other options. I don't think anyone involved with bittorrent has so much as a right to point out moral/ethical flaws in other people's conduct.

"Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

I don't think anyone involved with bittorrent has so much as a right to point out moral/ethical flaws in other people's conduct.

"Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

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This sums up the whole story.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

The folks this is catching aren't that concerned about ethics or morality :whistling

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And neither should anyone. There are no shades of gray on this matter. You're either an outstanding, upright individual lead by his morals, in which case you wouldn't torrent anything, or you are a snake that makes choices, and reaps benefits of other options. I don't think anyone involved with bittorrent has so much as a right to point out moral/ethical flaws in other people's conduct.

"Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

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lol at your armchair theory, especially the "I don't think anyone involved with bittorrent has so much as a right to point out blah blah" part (which has become a classic in this forum).
as if all ethical questions could be compared on the same level... :frusty:
that's just like saying "you can't embrace a moral point of view cause you once went to jail".

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I could be at your doorstep by tomorrow!

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Really? If you really want to meet me that bad, I'll be at bonnaroo.
I may even stop by the what.cd stand. lol

As for my door step... I don't even exist on a map.:ninja:

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

lol at your armchair theory, especially the "I don't think anyone involved with bittorrent has so much as a right to point out blah blah" part (which has become a classic in this forum).
as if all ethical questions could be compared on the same level... :frusty:
that's just like saying "you can't embrace a moral point of view cause you once went to jail".

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Clearly you and I are on different notes. We are pirates. We embrace illegal activity to get our daily fix of music, games, applications, movies, and for the insane, even TV series. That's wrong. There are no shades of gray, it's just wrong. Yet we do it, because we all can inexplicably relate to the love of free content, no matter the moral obligations to the creators and producers of said content.

Any pirate is therefore a person who sets aside moral/ethical commitments for the most part, because you find them pointless. Yet, most pirates then go on and set an ethical code of their own which they expect others to abide to.

My point is, if you are clearly unethical and unyielding of the rights or wrongs understood and followed by a respectable chunk of society, who are you to set rules or point out the flaws in other people's ethics? Maybe just as you hold the right to hold your own opinions of ethics and which lines to cross, someone else holds the same belief when it comes to trading, selling, racism etc.

Better? I'm not saying that I should disregard someone's opinion. I'm pointing out that that someone is hypocritical if he breaks (and continues to) society's rules, then creates ones of his own out of thin air expecting people to follow it.

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Originally Posted by kukushka

another thought of dual standarts... from what i know, traders hunters are getting banned here for their activities like transparent pixels or smth.. and then other sites are hunting traders here with this css trick. and staff from those sites have accounts here. :)

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So true.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Any pirate is therefore a person who sets aside moral/ethical commitments for the most part, because you find them pointless. Yet, most pirates then go on and set an ethical code of their own which they expect others to abide to.

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Also by the looks of it caook and ringhunter wont even mind if their bank accounts get stolen or if their personal info is made public.And lol@"We are pirates so we cant talk about morality/ethics".Then lemme ask you,who are ideal candidates who can talk about morality and ethics.

If all this is true then not all the what.cd 'I got banned for no reason' whine threads are unfounded.
And ringhunter I think you are looking at ethics from a far too general point of view.
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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

Also by the looks of it caook and ringhunter wont even mind if their bank accounts get stolen or if their personal info is made public.And lol@"We are pirates so we cant talk about morality/ethics".Then lemme ask you,who are ideal candidates who can talk about morality and ethics.

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Have you even read what I have written? I don't have a problem with you calling someone out on some moral flaw in their conduct. I have a problem with pirates setting rules amongst pirates, and tying ethics to it. The way I see it, and the way I will continue to see it is, it's hypocritical to break rules society put in place, then expect people to have a semblance of respect to rules you yourself make up of nowhere. I hate backie's attitude as much as the next guy, but he's right when it comes to people blindly listening/following to trading/cheating rules. The true "honor among pirates" is the unspoken respect and understanding for each others motives, not the fact that we should aim for an impalpable utopia.

One of the my worst gripes with the scene are all the retarded standards; attempting to set rules by which rule breakers are attempted to be contained. I'm sorry if I'm the only one in this thread who realizes how retarded that is. Would you prefer to be treated by a sick doctor or a healthy one? Would you hire a carpenter whose office door is broken? Would you listen to a university professor who is shaky when it comes to the subject at hand? Then why would you listen to a pirate's ideals when it comes to rules?

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Originally Posted by sez

If all this is true then not all the what.cd 'I got banned for no reason' whine threads are unfounded.
And ringhunter I think you are looking at ethics from a far too general point of view.
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Granted I have never delved in too deep into ethics/morality books/courses, I will agree that maybe my point of view is too general, but that's how I'm arguing. I'm not saying trading is right or wrong; you can form your own opinion of my stance from what activities I indulge in around here. What I am arguing is the fact that I believe it's wrong for a pirate to set rules for other pirates to abide by, and for that I needed to "look at the bigger picture" per se.

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

Also by the looks of it caook and ringhunter wont even mind if their bank accounts get stolen or if their personal info is made public.And lol@"We are pirates so we cant talk about morality/ethics".Then lemme ask you,who are ideal candidates who can talk about morality and ethics.

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First off, spell my name right if you're going to make useless accusations against me.

Secondly, the CSS leak can't do shit all to steal your bank account aside from telling them which bank you use (assuming they've compiled an exhaustive list of the URLs of every banking site). It has no mechanism to swipe your username or password, it simply shows that you visited a web page. This has nothing to do with accounts being stolen or people's data being released, which is generally collected by methods completely separate from the CSS leak thing (email/username + google is usually a good starting point). I'm not sure if people are misinformed about how this all works or if you're simply trying to extrapolate this "invasion of privacy" to a completely different invasion of privacy. Either way it's a useless comparison.

For the average non-paranoid member, they'll be able to get far more relevant information about you from your IP and email address. Obviously you could use a disposable email and a VPN and be more conscious about keeping your torrenting identity separate from the rest of your online activity, but many people make no effort to hide who they are elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Have you even read what I have written? I don't have a problem with you calling someone out on some moral flaw in their conduct. I have a problem with pirates setting rules amongst pirates, and tying ethics to it. The way I see it, and the way I will continue to see it is, it's hypocritical to break rules society put in place, then expect people to have a semblance of respect to rules you yourself make up of nowhere. I hate backie's attitude as much as the next guy, but he's right when it comes to people blindly listening/following to trading/cheating rules. The true "honor among pirates" is the unspoken respect and understanding for each others motives, not the fact that we should aim for an impalpable utopia.

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Not really. The rules are set up to weed out the shit from these sites, which is half the reason to use a private tracker in the first place. Weeding out the shit leads to better speeds and torrent retention in the case of cheaters, and fewer people profiting off your site in the case of traders, the most prolific of which are generally invite sellers.

You're abiding by rules to preserve the establishment you use for your benefit. If you don't like it, get the hell out as far as I'm concerned. There's always The Pirate Bay for those who want a site where you don't have to worry about anything other than snatching a .torrent.

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Not really. The rules are set up to weed out the shit from these sites, which is half the reason to use a private tracker in the first place. Weeding out the shit leads to better speeds and torrent retention in the case of cheaters, and fewer people profiting off your site in the case of traders, the most prolific of which are generally invite seller

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I belive every user profits from using a torrent tracker aslong as they download stuff they don't. This whole let's not let people make money from piracy is just silly, when I was younger and there was no broadband in the UK I used to buy pirate VCDS (yea that far back) I was happy to do so and got my monies worth. Yet some people think that selling pirate DVDs is worse than downloading the stuff for your own usage or that selling invites to a tracker so someone who doesn't have the connections can download free shit too.

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I belive every user profits from using a torrent tracker aslong as they download stuff they don't. This whole let's not let people make money from piracy is just silly, when I was younger and there was no broadband in the UK I used to buy pirate VCDS (yea that far back) I was happy to do so and got my monies worth. Yet some people think that selling pirate DVDs is worse than downloading the stuff for your own usage or that selling invites to a tracker so someone who doesn't have the connections can download free shit too.

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Its also highly punishable to distribute copyright infringed material, whereas it is a lesser punishment for owning it for personal use.

The reason we don't want people to sell pirate dvd's is to defer attention towards our bittorrent sites.
The less people that get caught selling bootlegs, the less heat on BT.

The fact that you support selling invites and selling pirated dvd's is truly disturbing to me, as nearly every BT community looks down upon both acts.
But what was I expecting from the jellyfish of bittorrent?

Turning profit on Illegal torrents is a big no-no around here, doesn't matter who we are talking about. The private tracker, owner, staff, members, or anyone associated with it.

This is so stupid... I'm a happy "non-what.cd" member :frusty:

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

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I belive every user profits from using a torrent tracker aslong as they download stuff they don't. This whole let's not let people make money from piracy is just silly, when I was younger and there was no broadband in the UK I used to buy pirate VCDS (yea that far back) I was happy to do so and got my monies worth. Yet some people think that selling pirate DVDs is worse than downloading the stuff for your own usage or that selling invites to a tracker so someone who doesn't have the connections can download free shit too.

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Its also highly punishable to distribute copyright infringed material, whereas it is a lesser punishment for owning it for personal use.

The reason we don't want people to sell pirate dvd's is to defer attention towards our bittorrent sites.
The less people that get caught selling bootlegs, the less heat on BT.

The fact that you support selling invites and selling pirated dvd's is truly disturbing to me, as nearly every BT community looks down upon both acts.
But what was I expecting from the jellyfish of bittorrent?

Turning profit on Illegal torrents is a big no-no around here, doesn't matter who we are talking about. The private tracker, owner, staff, members, or anyone associated with it.

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Ok, you had a good post, I was gonna let it ride even thou it was flawed. Then you edit it to insult me for not decent reason and then you talk some more crap.

See because the amount of ways to get bootleg/pirate movies there is usenets,xdcc,torrents,the scene. The amount of bootleggers doesn't really affect the amount of heat on torrents.

Making profit of torrents is perfectly ok, I highly suspect this site is making a profit off illegal torrent community. Sites such as xirvik and other seedbox providers are making profit off illegal torrents. Usenet companies are making a profit off piracy. It's just the trackers have decided theres a few things they don't like and people like you tow the line.

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Making profit of torrents is perfectly ok, I highly suspect this site is making a profit off illegal torrent community. Sites such as xirvik and other seedbox providers are making profit off illegal torrents. Usenet companies are making a profit off piracy. It's just the trackers have decided theres a few things they don't like and people like you tow the line.

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I would be stupid not to believe that there is alot of people using bittorrent to make gains, just take PTP for example...
If you read anything on this thread you would realize I don't "tow the line" as I openly speak up against the css attack..

This is how sites get shut down, idiots like you going out and selling dvd's then getting caught.
Being the idiot you are you rat out a private tracker, and then they are focusing on the private tracker.

If your just trying to justify your own situation for attempting to make money off Bt with your sorry ass blog, and selling some bootlegs.. I really feel sorry for you.

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

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Making profit of torrents is perfectly ok, I highly suspect this site is making a profit off illegal torrent community. Sites such as xirvik and other seedbox providers are making profit off illegal torrents. Usenet companies are making a profit off piracy. It's just the trackers have decided theres a few things they don't like and people like you tow the line.

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I would be stupid not to believe that there is alot of people using bittorrent to make gains, just take PTP for example...
If you read anything on this thread you would realize I don't "tow the line" as I openly speak up against the css attack..

This is how sites get shut down, idiots like you going out and selling dvd's then getting caught.
Being the idiot you are you rat out a private tracker, and then they are focusing on the private tracker.

If your just trying to justify your own situation for attempting to make money off Bt with your sorry ass blog, and selling some bootlegs.. I really feel sorry for you.

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Well considering your logic for no selling shit is weak and is the same crap every tracker comes up with, it's really hard for someone such as myself not to think you just tow the line. Being anti the css pirvacy invasion isn't enough to think any different.

Sites don't get shut down just because one person sells dvds and gets caught and tells them which tracker they downloaded them from. Guess what that isn't what happened to UK-T. :O Shock shock horror! To be honest I would be very surprised if they even ask with tracker once you said a torrent site. You seem to be living in denial thinking that every torrent site isn't already known and tagged and sites like this aren't followed by members of Copyright Agencies such as FACT.

Next you're gonna say I am just trying to justify my selling FSC accounts/invites! :D hehe. I like how you know you have a weak ass angle and are trying to deflect on to me, this doesn't change your weak ass angle.

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it's really hard for someone such as myself not to think you just tow the line.

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I'm banned from waffles.fm and what.cd, take that for towing the line... lol

Also... I don't ever remember referring to uk-t once.

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it's really hard for someone such as myself not to think you just tow the line.

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I'm banned from waffles.fm and what.cd, take that for towing the line... lol

Also... I don't ever remember referring to uk-t once.

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So you got banned at two sites, that doesn't mean anything, plenty of line towers are banned at a few sites. Happens to everyone.

You didn't need to, I thought I would slam down any attempts to bring UK-T into play using them as an example.

I personally just think in order to maintain the privacy of our communities that we try to contain all our files in between members.
As I said before your shit blog, and your selling invites is pathetic, get a real job. That is the real reason.

Also if you think a pro selling topic is going to prosper on fst, you must be as stupid as everyone makes you out to be....

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Originally Posted by backie

You didn't need to, I thought I would slam down any attempts to bring UK-T into play using them as an example.

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Name dropping 1337 trackers enhances your argument greatly :yup:

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Originally Posted by backie

I belive every user profits from using a torrent tracker aslong as they download stuff they don't. This whole let's not let people make money from piracy is just silly, when I was younger and there was no broadband in the UK I used to buy pirate VCDS (yea that far back) I was happy to do so and got my monies worth. Yet some people think that selling pirate DVDs is worse than downloading the stuff for your own usage or that selling invites to a tracker so someone who doesn't have the connections can download free shit too.

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I firmly believe that's much worse. There's no proof that a download equals a lost sale, I certainly wouldn't have bought everything I've downloaded. In that sense, it's a zero gain/loss situation for the media companies. They weren't getting my money in the first place, and they didn't have an actual product taken from them.

As soon as you start pirating the material that you've downloaded for free, you're now directly taking their money. Aside from the moral implications it's also a greater crime in most countries. So yes, I'd say it's worse. You're taking shit given to you for free and selling it to people that don't know any better.

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Originally Posted by backie

Making profit of torrents is perfectly ok, I highly suspect this site is making a profit off illegal torrent community. Sites such as xirvik and other seedbox providers are making profit off illegal torrents. Usenet companies are making a profit off piracy. It's just the trackers have decided theres a few things they don't like and people like you tow the line.

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This site rakes in a shitload off ads, so I'd say it's definitely making a profit, but there's really nothing we can do to change that. As for seedbox resellers, I think they're incredibly flawed as they're basically profiting off children that can't google how to set up rtorrent or WINE+utorrent. A monkey can buy a server, install a premade disk image on it, fill it with more users than is worthwhile, and rake in a huge profit. At least the usenet companies have to pay for servers and bandwidth to an extent far greater than your other examples listed (though I'm sure they're still making a killing).

Oh, and why the hell are we even discussing this with you? backie, champion of internet privacy, who has the personal details of people posted on his blog? Your pathetic response of "well all this info was already online anyway" doesn't hold much weight, since guess what, the CSS info is already online anyway. Hypocritical much?

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Oh, and why the hell are we even discussing this with you? backie, champion of internet privacy, who has the personal details of people posted on his blog? Your pathetic response of "well all this info was already online anyway" doesn't hold much weight, since guess what, the CSS info is already online anyway. Hypocritical much?

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Well, I don't think you can expect your personal information to remain private when it's in a public database, such as court records or a whois database. That's just me, I know it's weird. Mabye I should live like you, expect everything to remain private if it could be damaging to me.

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Originally Posted by backie

Well, I don't think you can expect your personal information to remain private when it's in a public database, such as court records or a whois database. That's just me, I know it's weird. Mabye I should live like you, expect everything to remain private if it could be damaging to me.

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By that logic, you should have no problems with the CSS leak. Let the hypocrisy continue!

And I think if we took a quick poll about whether you'd rather have your address and phone number posted in a publicly visible place or whether you'd rather have someone realize that you've visited BTRACS, I think I know what most people would pick as the greater invasion of privacy.

.....This has become so hypocritical I don't even know what to post....

ca-aok you act as if you have a regard for internet privacy now.....

Not really, it's not my info posted so it's irrelevant to me, simply pointing out that he doesn't give a shit about privacy as long as he's selling his drivel.

I can certainly sympathize much more with someone that has their real life shit posted compared to some trader that loses an internet account though. There aren't any real life consequences to trading, but there are real life consequences to having the personal details of torrent site admins posted.

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Not really, it's not my info posted so it's irrelevant to me, simply pointing out that he doesn't give a shit about privacy as long as he's selling his drivel.

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It's more that I don't think you can expect privacy in public. Such as if you're in the street you can't complain if someone takes your picture. If your information is in a public database you can't complain with someone mirrors it.

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If your information is in a public database you can't complain with someone mirrors it.

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I'm sure you would be complaining if you got sued for displaying pedomax's personal details without his consent in public.

*side note... 1,000 post! lol

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If your information is in a public database you can't complain with someone mirrors it.

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I'm sure you would be complaining if you got sued for displaying pedomax's personal details without his consent in public.

*side note... 1,000 post! lol

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You can't get sued. Why don't people understand this already? If he paid a public outlet for phishing people's information then it would be questionable. Mirroring freely available information is what makes google so rich. Backie cannot be sued for it.

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You can't get sued. Why don't people understand this already? If he paid a public outlet for phishing people's information then it would be questionable. Mirroring freely available information is what makes google so rich. Backie cannot be sued for it.

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It is very unlikely that he will, because it is a shady area that is rarely acted on.
Although, It could be classified as extortion if pedomax wanted to take it that far.

look here: http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-eve...-cabalo-405450


sickofjesus is admin from what.cd and cabalo says :

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

Well, I've been contacted and it was quite helpful for the board.
Thanks sickofjesus. :)

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and for other trackers its the same.... use proxy or don't use fst if you dont want to lose your acc.

im already banned from 3 trackers (www.gft.org, e**** , www.what.cd ) Because i want to trade my accounts in FST

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look here: http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-eve...-cabalo-405450


sickofjesus is admin from what.cd and cabalo says :

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Originally Posted by Cabalo

Well, I've been contacted and it was quite helpful for the board.
Thanks sickofjesus. :)

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and for other trackers its the same.... use proxy or don't use fst if you dont want to lose your acc.

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Idiotic opinions for the win. :rolleyes:
If you assume my conversation with sickofjesus was to catch traders, you are quite wrong. He knows very well that trading is accepted at FST, and never he asked me for information on any trader, we are both mature individuals who respect each other, despite obvious clashes of interests. But that wasn't even discussed. They have their mechanisms, as you can read on this thread, but those aren't breaking any of our rules. Ethically speaking, that's a whole different matter.
Opinions like yours are the ones who fuel fire unnecessarily, and spew hate on what.cd because I could bet you already had account(s) disabled there, and it's quite easy to blame us.
The person to blame is you, because you decided to break site's rules and didn't even know how to avoid getting caught.
Blame it on your ignorance.

I have QPD nick everywhere, And i never got banned! :unsure:

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I have QPD nick everywhere, And i never got banned! :unsure:

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That's how it works if you have nothing to hide :)

And although I'm against tradings and account ga, I'm also against spy! :dry:

ps.: if this is really happening here :P

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

quite unfair considering that visiting those threads doesn't necessarily make you a trader or else.

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This is the reason why at times good people's account also get banned, and the real old hardcore traders get away as they all are well aware of latest spying tricks and how to safegaurd themself from them.

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Originally Posted by zonta

im already banned from 3 trackers (www.gft.org, e**** , www.what.cd ) Because i want to trade my accounts in FST

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As I said earlier in the thread, the perfect protection is not being a trader. Go cry us a river about your lost accounts :whistling

Blame yourself for being an idiot, not the tool that got you caught.

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Originally Posted by zonta

im already banned from 3 trackers (www.gft.org, e**** , www.what.cd ) Because i want to trade my accounts in FST

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lol are you seriously expecting sympathy after telling us you got banned for trading? tch tch

Hmmm well don't do dumb things on public forums I guess :P

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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

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You can't get sued. Why don't people understand this already? If he paid a public outlet for phishing people's information then it would be questionable. Mirroring freely available information is what makes google so rich. Backie cannot be sued for it.

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It is very unlikely that he will, because it is a shady area that is rarely acted on.
Although, It could be classified as extortion if pedomax wanted to take it that far.

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Ok, I am gonna bit, how can it be classified as extortion?

I assume you're referring to joke saying that they should try bribing. Since this joke was made after the fact, I hardly think it classes as blackmail. Asking for money to do something someone else wants you to do is a common thing and is widely accepted.