I would rob a store but only a bad one run by bad people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
Preferably foreigners .
Or maybe a video store because of the irony.
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I would rob a store but only a bad one run by bad people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
Preferably foreigners .
Or maybe a video store because of the irony.
As I've come to notice these morality threads are all pointless as it is completley opinionated according to each individual.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787I would rob a store but only a bad one run by bad people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
Preferably foreigners .
Or maybe a video store because of the irony.
This as tokeman has suggested, is indeed a thread about where the line is drawn....
In the case at hand... Megabyteme if you find it justifiable and are aware of the consequences...
Then I say go ahead....
i think you are mistaken in thinking you can somehow hook up an antenna and receive signals from all over the place... that is a one-sided system... where you would have a big transmitter and could send signals very far...
the people you are trying to connect to dont have big transmitters... they have very tiny ones which is all they need to get internet in their small sq footage area.
you will see some wireless antennas that can transmit up to 1.5 miles... ya thats great if you have another one just like that on the other end that can transmit back 1.5 miles...
Under the circumstances where I live, I don't think that those conditions would be too hard to meet, however, I don't want to just wrap this up in nice little bow and say, see, "the orphans win, and nobody gets hurt..." What's the fun in that? :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by heiskaIMO it'd be okay only if:Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
- the owner of the connection wouldn't receive any C&D letters.
- you would leech your stuff when the owner of the connection is not using it.
- the owner of the connection would never reach his/her cap even though you're using it.
The same thing concerns "illegal" p2p: I'd never ever buy any of the shit I download; nobody loses anything.
So people can pick from these options...
1) I help the orphans, or whatever. And I use neighbors connections as I stated.
2) I meet the above conditions regarding "no victims" (as heiska stated). But I don't donate anything.
edit-
3) The ABSOLUTE best use for money and morality is to pay an ISP.
Please guide my moral compass, fellow pirates.
As a side note...TVCY, I don't think you are helping me "win anyone over". Actually, if you keep it up, we'll probably both get deported, or something. :lol:
Further edit- Raban, the dish is essentially an ear. I would receive the signal through that. Sending back may be more difficult, but an additional $105 will get me a 1 watt (that's above "legal" FCC broadcasting limits on 2.4ghz) amp.
ill say it just one more time. Mod your modem, screw Comcrap in da butt, save your neighbor's bandwidth, send the money from the bill to the little kids with flies all up on their boogers fund. its a win-win-win situation.
Are you saying there is a way to not pay Concast, or mod my modem so that there is no cap? Last I read about modem hacks, it required a dupe address from another part of town AND those were getting caught regularly. It still doesn't leave any money for da orphans...Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
yeah, both. you could do it that way, duping the subs address, but other methods work. this way, no pay comcrap, give da money to da chilrrrrens.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
I am not familiar with these other methods. Certainly curious. Got a page with info?Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13yeah, both. you could do it that way, duping the subs address, but other methods work. this way, no pay comcrap, give da money to da chilrrrrens.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Edit- alright, found a ref. Seems like something that would get busted, and prosecuted. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/200...rdware-hacker/
ill pm u
Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by ca_aok
Edit: Fine. I won't be a dick. Let me elaborate. There's right, then there's wrong. Every single one of us draws his very own line between those two abstract paradigms, and hopes to live his life with that choice. I know people who swear by the fact that piracy is wrong, yet go to nick a lollipop for their kid from a candy store. Similarly, I know people who deal with the former situation, and shun away from the latter.
Either way, they're both wrong, but in their own perspective, they're both right. The world is really that simple as black and white. Both actions are unacceptably wrong, according to the rules set aside by society for us all to follow. It depends on where you draw your personal line to make a difference between you seeing both actions as wrong, or both as acceptably performable.
There are degrees of criminals, surely. However, at the same time, the issue remains black and white. You're either doing something that you know is right, regardless of how tough (or expensive) that may be. Or, you are doing something that is wrong, at which point you'll end up justifying your actions/morals to yourself in order to convince yourself of otherwise. You are either right, or wrong; white, or black.
well, im not gonna try and convince you that you wont get busted. but you wont.:PQuote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Upon further reflection, there may be working, alternative methods after all... :naughty:
If anyone wants to discuss various shades of computer-based gray-areas, I'll be happy to continue. I appreciate all of the lively discussions I've had here today! :happy:
Damn I need to get my hands on one of those bad boys....Quote:
well, im not gonna try and convince you that you wont get busted. but you wont.
Fake mac address's on a free service that isn't registered.... damn
And you can continuously change the mac... Which in turn changes your ip.
I would be using rapidshare for all my flac lol, switching ip's between files.
As has been mentioned just buy/hack a cable modem. Less of a dick move imho and you should see the speeds these modems are capable of really insane speeds if you get on the right switch.
Isn't it incredibly easy for the cable company to detect that sort of thing and then you are up shit creek .
I would say you have a much greater chance of getting caught using a hacked modem than stealing someones wifi to seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Although If you pay for your cable service they tend to leave alone most of the time as I'm reading, but they catch on to people who don't pay a dime lol.
Although if you constantly move your false mac address I think it would be incredible difficult/a waste of time for the cable company to track.
What's comcasts cap? Think I read a while ago it was 250GB of combined upload/download? Why not instead of pirating material off of other people's connections without their permission(which by the way, I'm totally against) don't you just pay the few dollars a month for a Usenet account, or the few dollars a month to use warez forums?
This way you'll be downloading only and you'll be able to gain a lot more files before you hit your cap? And you'll only have to use BT when you can't find the file you're after from the two mentioned methods(which this is the file sharing route that I use, and it's not often at all that I have to use BT to get a file).
By the way...sorry if this was asked and answered in this thread already. I rarely read the whole thread anymore here at FST.
The community has spoken, and I am willing to concede that taking large amounts of data via open wireless connections is, as sear eloquently put it, "a dick move".
If, and when, I decide to find an alternate method of receiving my bandwidth, it will not be via wireless connections.
Thanks for all of the feed-back. I actually learned a couple of new things both technical, and about the community's mindset.
Yup, that's what I'm on and that cap is correct; and my downloading habits have changed as consequence. Well, they've only changed slightly as I've never come close to reaching that cap anyways. :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'
When I mentioned that slight change in my downloading habits, I was referring to this. You should definitely try this route. Although having read your first post, it seems to me that you don't have a problem with Comcast's cap, but that you have a problem giving money to Comcast, the ISP leading the charge against BT; in which case this won't be of any help to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funkin'
And I, like Funkin', rarely ever read entire threads here anymore, so I'm not sure if you've made a decision about stealing bandwidth, but I am of the opinion that that is a very dick move, and I can't believe that you even contemplated it.
EDIT: Haha, seems I was a few minutes too slow in posting...
In part, it is because I have a location that is very unlikely to hurt anyone else. This area does not have the same overage charges that other regions/countries face. My house sits on a hill and overlooks a large part of the city- that means I would have far more open lines available to me than most anyone else who would do this. I actually would not be a "dick" and over-use any one source.Quote:
Originally Posted by respawn40
Another key element here is an inherent desire to cut costs. If I could find a satisfactory level of bandwidth for free, why not? I can find many other things to spend the money on.
I'm tempted to play the new dad sympathy card here, but that would be BS. :lol:
I honestly do not believe in supporting businesses that act against things I believe in. Concast is truly an opponent of this community. Why would I support them?
There is a "coolness" factor in researching something technical and building it (hopefully with success). I wanted to see just how much bandwidth I could pull from "the air".
And finally, there is a slippery slope when engaging in illegal activities. Where does one draw the line? It is good to have sensible friends around when one decides to create a new line. The conversations here ultimately changed my direction/actions in this matter.
Well, we are all pirates here. So I guess in theory you would think you would had been more supported than what you were with your whole piggy-backing idea. But not only would you be stealing another person's bandwidth, you could also get the person into pretty big trouble for something he/she never did(not to mention the trouble you would get into if caught).Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
But anyways, if you do decide to get into this whole hacked modem thing then please post back if/when you actually do get one and start using it. This is something I've always been mildly interested in considering my slow speeds, but never really had the balls to try it out.
I've been thinking that I would probably be happy with Comcast since their speeds are much faster than Verizon(at least their download speed is I know for sure, and that's really all I'm wanting), and plus I'm sure I've never came close to 250GB in one month(even back in my early days where bittorrent was my number one method of obtaining files).Quote:
Originally Posted by respawn40
I am wondering how ballsy I will ultimately be with the modem. I may keep the full service and do test periods for a while before canceling my subscription, but I already have one of the modems, and another "backup" would be about $50 (if I remember correctly).
The speeds would be FAR superior to my wireless scheme, and it would be cheaper for the equipment cost. Win/Win. I could even feed some orphans, or something...
do it fo' da chilrrrens, MBM, do it fo' da chilrrrens:PQuote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Now, that, sounds like a good, moral path to me. And there not just any old chilrrrrens- they's orphaned. That's even better! :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13do it fo' da chilrrrens, MBM, do it fo' da chilrrrens:PQuote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
hack comcrap and get free anon internet
www.sbhacker.net/forum/
Thanks, Danielle. That seems to be the best solution. Very fascinating site! :)