What do you propose for users affected by any of the first four points, then?
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I'm well aware of that. It's just that you said the first four reasons were a joke, so I thought you may have something to add.
I once had 3 of those 4 problems (1,2,4 in case you're wondering) and that never hurt my torrenting habits.
And the 3rd one doesn't even make any sense to me.
The real reasons of those who use those kind of excuses are because they don't just want to bother uploading or like to cheat the system.
Edit: Oh wait, if by the 3rd reason you also meant the ISP capping your upload speed (traffic shaping), i guess i had 4 of those 4 problems :lol:
Point 3 = people that don't know how to set their torrent client's settings up, therefore using an extreme number of connections that leaves little bandwidth for uploading (and downloading as well).
I meant a monthly traffic cap, and uploading would eat GBs from it, but what you mention does happen as well. My ISP shapes all P2P downloads, as a matter of fact.Quote:
Edit: Oh wait, if by the 3rd reason you also meant the ISP capping your upload speed (traffic shaping)
Cheating is such a meaningless activity. Think of it: the "hard to seed" tracker what.cd doesn't even require you to download or upload anything; you simply need to login into your account from time to time to keep it active. Then you can wait for a freeleech period there to build a buffer. Think of bitmetv/bitme: if you can afford to pay for a connection speed faster than dial-up, then you can afford to make a small donation to bitmetv/bitme for upload credit. I am sure that cheating is also meaningless at karagarga even though it's a "hard to seed" tracker.
Even though I am a bit curious about how cheating works, I find it an incredibly meaningless activity.
I.e. having to put the account "on hold" until you can buffer up when there's freeleech, which is coming who knows when, and will cause so much tracker activity your client will be unable to report stats for a long while, and should you close it while the tracker's still non-responsive, you're fucked.
The only difference from cheating being that the tracker profits from its seeding difficulty if you choose to donate.Quote:
Think of bitmetv/bitme: if you can afford to pay for a connection speed faster than dial-up, then you can afford to make a small donation to bitmetv/bitme for upload credit.
And nobody is talking about the fact that right now at what.cd you only need to keep seeding whatever you snatched, so the ratio required is very low, starting at 0.00
Also i would never risk my account by cheating or trading. Right now what.cd is the better and only place of its kind, and i would really miss them if i got disabled.
And btw nobody is gonna answer to -nm-? What he said was reassuring to me, and i know what he said is true.
Thanks McArty.
I'm sure that no one noticed my post because mods had to approve it first (I guess because it was my first post?), it showed up much later than I posted and it's on the previous page :-)
Or if it's easier:
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/p-wha...89/postcount39
Well?
I don't know how I missed mn's post, but it was refreshing to see such sincerity from a staffer's post. :yes:
EDIT: Not that staffer's lie all the time, but most of them are absolute douchebags that only care about the website and not the users.
Promotion? You won't even find SB-I's full name in any of my posts (except of course when quoting someone who's posted it).
On a sidenote, what's your take on invading users' privacy by holding their information forever in the database and checking whether they've visited certain URLs? Is it a necessary evil or just part of keeping the tracker? And if you don't ban people for visiting a site, how come you're checking for that in the first place? Does having visited the index of a cheater board (which is where you're redirected when trying to visit a non-existent page) count as further proof of wrongdoing if someone's already suspected of such activities?Quote:
What.CD NEVER bans anyone just because you're a member of some site.
I take it the 100% cases are when you tell people they know what they did, and swiftly ban them from IRC. Well, that's a bit too harsh, which is why I dislike it, but looking at how many lamers pose as innocent guys that got banned for "no reason", and adding the amount of obvious rule breakers that join IRC to have a shot at getting reenabled, I can understand. I'm pretty sure you have to deal with them on a daily basis, and that'd be exasperating.Quote:
There are cases when we want to talk with disabled users (most of the time!) and there are cases when we are 100% sure so there's no need to waste time. You can't open a cheat tool and fake stats by accident, so...
If he had had another account in the past, how come you gave him enough time to upload stuff and post in the forums before detecting it?Quote:
As for the OP, he forgot to mention his old account and the fact that he is a big fan of RatioMaster.
Agreed, I've been here for just a bit more than half a year, and have already read several "What.cd banned me for no reason" threads which always ended up with their starters being exposed as cheaters, traders and whatnot by one of your staff members. There was even one where WhatMan posted an IRC log of the guy making stupid excuses up on the fly to see if he could be reenabled, which was a great read - he even "admitted" his small amount of posts consisted of spam to see if he could reach extra privileges, which led me to temporarily ban him for a week :DQuote:
He also forgot to tell the whole truth about lying to staff. He did say that we asked him questions, so it's not like he got glined on spot.
We got used to false accusations but I will never understand what could you expect to accomplish by making a thread like this and lying to few strangers that can't really help you.
I'm always willing to talk, specially about this kind of stuff (I accidentally wrote "staff" instead of "stuff" the first time I wrote this paragraph, go figure :lol:).Quote:
So, question for Anon if he is willing to talk with me.
I never said I hate you (the whole What.cd staff), and so that it's clear, I don't. I've only made despective comments about your rough treatment to certain users here and there, and most of the time I didn't even fully mean what I was saying. You'll probably think I'm saying this because I can't write a different chunk of text to justify what I've said in the past. Personally, I don't care.Quote:
Why all that hatred? We only do our job and follow the rules. You have the rules on your site too, right?
True. Nothing to discuss here.Quote:
I know it's frustrating when you get banned few times (or many times) but it's not some big injustice if you broke the rules for fun (which you agreed to read and respect upon sign up), and then you get punished for that. What else can you expect?
I never said I don't like how you don't explain people how you caught them doing stuff, either. I merely pointed that habit of yours out on a post at SB-I. In the Off Topic section. I find it pretty damn logical to keep your security measures a secret, actually.Quote:
You are annoyed with the way we do interviews? Of course we won't explain anyone how we caught them because they will run to you and you will make another tutorial on how to escape that trap next time, right? I know you're curious and you would love to know about our tools but can you really blame us for not telling you anything?
I guess you are. I can't check this because people whose offenses you forgive and accounts end up reenabling tend not to make threads about that anywhere.Quote:
We are actually very forgiving in many cases and we do understand that people make mistakes,
What about that guy who uploaded the same torrent to both your tracker and Waffles, put both announce URLs in the same torrent, uploaded a lot on Waffles while not doing so in your site, and ended up disabled on the latter... I don't keep track of that kind of stuff, so I'm sure that was probably some lame excuse for having been caught cheating (as if FSTers here could do anything about it :rolleyes:), but in a different case, couldn't that be considered an honest error mistaken for cheating by you?Quote:
except when it comes to cheating and selling invites. There's no excuse for that and it can't happen by accident.
Where? :unsure:Quote:
But the only thing that can be seen here (so far) is lies from some fail cheaters. They even lie on your site to impress you and get the Member status.
I don't advice people to do stuff. I tell them that if they have already got caught for cheating, and they know the reason, and they think they can lie their way to getting reenabled, they can do this or that.Quote:
Some people think they can get away with lies. They come with prepared answers, false screenshots, speedtest, proxies etc. You know all those tactics because you advise people to do that.
Come on, we're talking about cheaters there... you and I know they don't have a fucking chance of ever getting their account back once caught.Quote:
But they only ruin their chances to get enabled like that because we already know alot and we are willing to forgive them if they cooperate and promise not to break the rules anymore.
That was a nice move.Quote:
We did many things to make your life easier on What and if it's still not enough that we don't even ban for low ratio
Leeching a lot from the place and not giving anything back hurts it, yes. That's an undeniable truth. On the other side, people that have cheated their way to a good ratio can actually enjoy it, and download from those that have been seeding since day one and are struggling to survive, improving their ratios as well. I'm not saying it's OK to leech the crap out of your (or any other tracker) just because it makes others upload, but as you can see not all the consequences of the action are negative.Quote:
and you keep cheating, then you're too selfish to see that you're not hurting the staff but the community and honest members, even yourself because it's bad for the site (and I'm sure you love it too).
Thanks :whatlove:Quote:
You are very smart and knowledgeable
I think you're using some big words "invading users' privacy"...
We don't do anything that might affect innocent users and we don't ban anyone because they just visited your site. But people who get Member status usually download some cheat tools from sb-i. We are more careful with some users, that's all.
And even if we know that someone is a Member there we wait till he makes a mistake.
But tell me where else should we search for cheaters than on the cheat sites :-)
As for being harsh on IRC, there are no second chances if you cheat and that's well known. That's our policy so like it or not but you were warned from the start. Don't use cheat tools but if you decide to ignore our warning you may cry and complain later but don't blame us. The question is, should we waste time on people like that or should we use it to do something good for honest members who don't cheat or lie?
If you are not a cheater or seller you will have a fair "trial" and enough time to explain your situation. We are actually very polite and nice to people :-)
We give a second chance to everyone who says the whole truth and promise not to break the rules in the future.
Lying will not get you anywhere no matter how convincing you think you are. You just prove that you can't be trusted.
About your question why we didn't ban the OP sooner. I'm not sure what's behind that question.
We have 120k members and we have insane amount of work. We can't see everything right away but sooner or later everyone makes a mistake.
As I said, we are not obsessed with catching people. We are not searching for them 24/7. They do stupid things and get discovered even after reading all your tutorials :-)
You say you don't hate us and your reply sounds much nicer than I expected but I've seen some really bad posts of yours in the past. I'm not sure who is the real Anon, this one or the one on sb-i.
I certainly like this one much better :-)
The question about cross seeding. Maybe we had a couple mistakes in the past but that was long ago and we enabled some people who proved to be innocent. Sometimes we ask for proofs and screenshots but I can assure you that we can make a difference now if someone is seeding on 2 sites.
Though with the new tests we just got, that won't happen anymore.
Who is trying to impress you? Everyone who says that they opened 200 torrents and used RM on all of them.
I've seen several people bragging and explaining how they cheated but we all laughed because those things were detectable by our system so they were just doing us favors. Sorry but I hope many of your friends will take their advice :-)
I'm not going to comment the rest of your post. That's what you believe is right.
We will have to agree that we disagree on those things.
You're basically running the browser histories of everyone in your site through a huge checklist every time they visit. Feel free to come up with an euphemism, but that counts as privacy invasion for me.
The ones you're sure have cheated getQuote:
As for being harsh on IRC, there are no second chances if you cheat and that's well known. That's our policy so like it or not but you were warned from the start. Don't use cheat tools but if you decide to ignore our warning you may cry and complain later but don't blame us. The question is, should we waste time on people like that or should we use it to do something good for honest members who don't cheat or lie?
If you are not a cheater or seller you will have a fair "trial" and enough time to explain your situation. We are actually very polite and nice to people :-)
We give a second chance to everyone who says the whole truth and promise not to break the rules in the future.
Lying will not get you anywhere no matter how convincing you think you are. You just prove that you can't be trusted.
shitharsher treatment, while the ones that commited "lighter" mistakes don't. It makes sense, it truly does.
And how would you know if they have read my t- oops, I forgot :rolleyes:Quote:
About your question why we didn't ban the OP sooner. I'm not sure what's behind that question.
We have 120k members and we have insane amount of work. We can't see everything right away but sooner or later everyone makes a mistake.
As I said, we are not obsessed with catching people. We are not searching for them 24/7. They do stupid things and get discovered even after reading all your tutorials :-)
Feel free to quote those "really bad posts" here. This time, you can take your time to consider whether I really meant what was posted, or the section I did it on. You see, sometimes I don't add a ":lol:" or ":D" after every sentence I write. But don't let that automatically make you take those seriously.Quote:
You say you don't hate us and your reply sounds much nicer than I expected but I've seen some really bad posts of yours in the past. I'm not sure who is the real Anon, this one or the one on sb-i.
I certainly like this one much better :-)
That's certainly good to hear, specially for those that would have been treated as cheaters just for not adding the .torrent from your tracker separately in their clients, had you not implemented those new tests.Quote:
The question about cross seeding. Maybe we had a couple mistakes in the past but that was long ago and we enabled some people who proved to be innocent. Sometimes we ask for proofs and screenshots but I can assure you that we can make a difference now if someone is seeding on 2 sites.
Though with the new tests we just got, that won't happen anymore.
Really? Only one guy has done the 200 torrents thingy, if my memory serves me well. There are others that have done stuff that would sound rather stupid, yet I don't see the disabled icon on their profiles... would you rather let them have a flagged account without them knowing, or are you just waiting for the next strike? :unsure:Quote:
Who is trying to impress you? Everyone who says that they opened 200 torrents and used RM on all of them.
I've seen several people bragging and explaining how they cheated but we all laughed because those things were detectable by our system so they were just doing us favors. Sorry but I hope many of your friends will take their advice :-)
I agree! :lol:Quote:
I'm not going to comment the rest of your post. That's what you believe is right.
We will have to agree that we disagree on those things.
:fst:
No true and you may check your browser :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by anon-sbi
But I'm not going to discuss how our tools work as you won't explain me about some supersecret things you're doing... :-)
But your story upsets only cheaters. Other people couldn't care less about it, and that's how it should be.
Again, that's not true. We only tell them that they won't be enabled and they can leave the channel. They get glined and we are harsh only if they are persistent, after we asked them to leave many times or if they keep coming back using proxies.Quote:
Originally Posted by anon-sbi
I said that you may like it or not but cheaters don't get second chances. That's our policy and it's well known to all. You can only blame yourself if you get banned for cheating. No one gets banned for nothing and when we are 100% sure I don't see what should we talk about?
Our scripts and other tools are the best because we learnt from the best.
My personal opinion, with all your knowledge and experience it's a shame you're not working with me :-)
I'm not going to search and quote what you said, it's not that important. Hopefully you will change your opinion about What staff. Some day. :-)
As for the cheating and bragging on your site, of course I will not say who I was talking about. But I only meant that they didn't do what they said.
Anyway, that was just an example that people post many things that actually never happened or they twist the real truth, for their own promotion. Like OP and many others seen here.
I think you don't really know what my account is. Because I didn't forget to tell the whole truth about lying to staff. I wrote that they thought I lied. They didn't ask me if I cheated. If that's the point you're making.
I didn't even say I was g-lined instantly.
So, I think you maybe mistook me for someone else.
So, why did you give me a fair trial if I cheated with my previous account and I am also a big fan of ratio master. I think you are not talking about me, here.
Maybe I'm just one of the few that got banned and really had no idea why. I even mentioned another user in that interview that had the same problem as me. I didn't see mod commenting about that. And I know he is legit because he has high buffer on various high level trackers. He even gave me invites to some of them.
I am not even trying to get back. Told people my story and asked them for recommendations(what trackers to join and replace what.cd).
watch the game guys....Ghana seems to be failing miserably :lol:
So now you say it was fair trial? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CryBaby
Well, it was actually, except for the part where you lied.
CryBaby, we know exactly who you are and please lets not play games anymore.
You were glined zillion times because you lied so there was no point talking with you anymore, you were annoying and you kept coming back after you got the answer that you won't be enabled.
I didn't talk with you so I can't comment why they asked you questions (I don't see what's wrong with that anyway), but there's no doubt that you're a cheater and you had an account before.
He is legit "because he has high buffer"? Ok :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CryBaby
Except, uploading with RatioMaster doesn't count as a real buffer :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CryBaby
I'm sure you'll get tons of invites now :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CryBaby
My suggestion is that you should stop embarrassing yourself anymore.
@anon, I replied you on page 6 but they always need to approve my posts first so they show up later :-)
I'm not talking about myself. My connection is faster. My what account had a nice amounts of uploaded/downloaded data.
I had a connection like that couple of years ago before I got fiber optics cable. Wasn't easy to seed anywhere since download speed is a lot higher.
You said you give fair trial to non-cheaters/traders.
If I was a cheat from the start why bother?
Sorry, I thought for a second you mistook me for someone else.
It is true that I had an account before. But it was pruned because of inactivity. So, don't know how you make an assumption I cheated since I didn't use it.
I don't think there is anything wrong in having your own personal old pc that seeds all your torrents 24/7.
I don't think I'm embarrassing myself. I don't ask for invites either. Maybe I'll give a few but don't need anything now and I don't think I'll need anything in the future.
Really? Then look at the various threads here where this "tactic" of yours is talked about. I've even been PMed by two long-standing users here who are obviously not cheaters, traders or anything for me to help them avoid the CSS leak. They aren't up to anything, yet they don't want you and the rest of your team diving into their browsing history.
As for the rest, both of us have said everything already.
Nice talking to you. Do well.
What does What.cd say when you're banned and try to log in?
Disabled, not pruned. And right below that message, you're given a quick way of accessing IRC and discussing the ban.Quote:
Your account has been disabled.
This is either due to inactivity or rule violation.
I think I spent a lot of time, explained all and I think I gave fair answers.
Cheers to all. :-)
So, if someone regularly uses more locations and logins to what.cd and someone uses the same computer and has sbi membership does that make the first guy a cheater?
he say one guy did it, he nows about him 100%... but tell me, why would people brag about doing something if they really don't get anything from it, and if he is doing something, why don't you ban his account? why don't you ban the real cheat?
I don't know the difference. Thought it was the same thing.
Yeah, I respect that some of staff even showed here. I didn't expect that. As for your reasons why you banned me. Well, seems I can't prove anything to get it back and I realized that couple of days ago when you g-lined me from channel.
Well, some civility on the usual What.cd thread for a change.
Just peeking in and saying that -mn- 's posts have to be approved, because it's a standard filter working at FST. Helps us avoid some spambots and crap like that. Nothing personal. :)
As a side comment, I'd add I also don't agree with that whole CSS leak exploit. Especially when this site is included on those queries, as certainly you understand it doesn't really make me happy, but those are the rules of the game, not complaining about them. If I (or any one else) doesn't agree with what you do with your member's privacy, I have a simple solution for that: ask for the account to be disabled.
Saw a list of some of the links you check, and boy, you guys really need to add some other shitholes out on the webs. I do visit quite a lot of them occasionally, and you guys are skipping some real crappish sites.
where is whatman to shed some light on this situation
Yes I did say you cheated on your first account. You triggered the test for RatioMaster which is 100% sure.
Our rules say "One account per person per lifetime."
I hope we are finally clear with that.
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But I came back to show something to anon since he doesn't believe me about bragging of his members.
Bad Advice anon:
and see why it's a bad advice:Quote:
Originally Posted by anon
<+cyclotron> http://*****/cheating-what-cd-5801/index94.html rofl
<+cyclotron> ban my other accounts if u have guts son of the bitches
<+cyclotron> i have 5 accounts on what.cd
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<+cyclotron> i am open chanllening u
<&whatcdmod> ok
<+cyclotron> u cant catch me a chip
<+cyclotron> u fool
<+cyclotron> fools
<&whatcdmod> :P
<+cyclotron> i have seeded 200 torrents at a time
<+cyclotron> still u can catch my other accounts
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<+cyclotron> http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...d-418789/page3
<+cyclotron> u proudly say u banned 200 torrents user
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<+cyclotron> banning innocent users is nothing u bitches
<+cyclotron> first catch the real cheaters and traders
<&whatcdmod> So, do you have a point here? :P
<+cyclotron> no mother fucker
<+cyclotron> ban my ftn account
<+cyclotron> same username
<+cyclotron> if u have guts
<+cyclotron> thats all
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<&whatcdmod> Get it all out :)
<+cyclotron> no way
<+cyclotron> ftn admin is my friend
<+cyclotron> i can ban u if u give ur username
<+cyclotron> i am challenging u
<+cyclotron> give me ur ftn username u bitch
<&whatcdmod> Haha
<+cyclotron> u will see the consequence
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<&whatcdmod> I don't have an account there, so good luck with that :P
<+cyclotron> my friend is going to create another 10 accounts on ur silly tracker
<+cyclotron> wait for the ride
<+cyclotron> u cannot ban a bitch
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<+cyclotron> whats a goona do when cheaters cheat on ur tracker like anything
<+cyclotron> rotfl
<+cyclotron> u cant catch them
* +cyclotron ([email protected]) has left #what.cd-disabled
* anon-sbi ([email protected]) has joined #what.cd-disabled
<&whatcdmod> anon-sbi: what's up?
<+anon-sbi> My account had been disabled
<&whatcdmod> Which account was that?
<+anon-sbi> :)
<+anon-sbi> do you know me?
<&whatcdmod> Hmm, not sure.
<+anon-sbi> May be all of your moderators and admins know me.
<&whatcdmod> I thought that you weren't a fan of IRC?
<+anon-sbi> Not a fan of IRC?
<&whatcdmod> I thought that you, anon, did not like using IRC :P
<+anon-sbi> Your moderators want me to join your team to code the site.:)
<+anon-sbi> do you know me now?
<+anon-sbi> Can you guess me where I am from?
<&whatcdmod> ok, cyclotron, I don't really have time for another chat
<+anon-sbi> LOL
<&whatcdmod> You can leave the channel unless you want to give me some details about your "other accounts." :D
<+anon-sbi> Let it happen
<+anon-sbi> You cant spit a shit on me
<+anon-sbi> LOL
<&whatcdmod> Goodbye.
<+anon-sbi> Ok mother fucker.Its fun here
<+anon-sbi> LOL
ROFL
* +anon-sbi ([email protected]) Quit (G-Lined: ...)
* anon-sbi ([email protected]) has joined #what.cd-disabled
* CommandServ sets mode: +v anon-sbi
<+anon-sbi> HAHA
<+anon-sbi> HAHA
<+anon-sbi> how much u can ban me?
<+anon-sbi> Dynamic IPS are always there
<+anon-sbi> different browsers are there
<+anon-sbi> different versions are there
<+anon-sbi> HAHA
* +anon-sbi ([email protected]) Quit (G-Lined: ...)
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So keep on "waffling" anon but you're just hurting your friends with bad advice :-)
Edit: I just realized that some people might misunderstand this. For those who don't know, that's one of their cheating tactics.
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@Cabalo, no worries I understand. I only mentioned that because they missed my posts.
Cheers
Can you post a nick of the account here?
Just for the info :)
I wonder why did your staff offer an interview if they knew I was a cheat and that I even had another account.
I don't mean to disrespect any of you, neither I am complaining about that moderators "bad" decision.
It is reasonable since everything shows you I did something wrong.
I mentioned I logged in from several locations. So maybe that css history tracking fails it's doing there.
Thats the beauty.Two talented sides working against each other brings out the best of both and make better systems.evil and good go hand in hand,hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by -mn-
Why should we stop using a tracker/site?There is always work arounds in stopping such stuff especially when such things are done without user's consent.Its not like we are breaking any rules to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Btw that irc log was damn funny.
They probably wanted you to admit what you did, nothing more.
CSS history has nothing to do with anything. It's not a coincidence or a mistake.
You even admitted in this thread that you had an account before and you know well which one it is.
This is my very last comment on this subject. Sorry but I have a lot of work to do. :-)