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my bio teacher is so hot maybe because shes vegetarian>?
Never mind
IMHO:
You should eat whatever your heart or mind thinks is correct. If you have moral problems in eating anything, then dont eat it and dont try to make excuses for other people to accept you. Once you start eating so that others can accept it, then that is also morally wrong - just do what you think is right and dont worry what others think. ;)
Listen to others opinions if you like, but in the end its down to you bro ;)
I tried vegetarianism once for a period of about a year, i was convinced then that it was the correct thing to do, but that was because others around me thought the same. Not being co-erced by others anymore, i now eat what i believe is good for me and what i want (not allways the same thing of course).
I dont have any morals about eating meat, although i would prefer to do away with mass production and the waste that the meat and poultry industry causes - but thats another topic. If i could i would hunt my own food - but thats not possible anymore, unless i join some hunting club here in Sweden and start shooting Elks and deer.
Thats my input and i stick to it B)
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UKMan
Although I'm deliberately staying out of this discussion as it usually gets me annoyed, I would like to make a point here.
The above is utter and complete bullshit. (That's not a quote from anyone in this thread, by the way, it's a paraphrase of a common misconception.)Quote:
Originally posted by Common misconception
Vegetarians are unhealthy, due to mineral and vitamin deficiencies because they don't eat meat, and they have to take supplements
If you eat healthily (which you should do regardless of whether you eat meat or not), you will not experience difficulties with your health due to your diet.
I have never eaten meat, but I'm one of the healthiest people I know. I rarely get sick at all, and have an extremely strong immune system (I didn't even need a BCG jag because I have natural immunity).
I don't take any vitamin supplements except in the spring, when I take one small Vitamin C tablet a day because it helps with hayfever, acoording to my mother. This has nothing to do with my diet - Vitamin C is present in all sorts of foods, especially citrus fruits.
So if you're sitting there thinking you can't possibly stop eating meat, think again. If you can afford internet access, you can afford to feed yourself properly. Therefore, you don't need to eat meat.
Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
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Originally posted by Lamsey+4 November 2003 - 23:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 4 November 2003 - 23:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
<!--QuoteBegin-Common misconception
Vegetarians are unhealthy, due to mineral and vitamin deficiencies because they don't eat meat, and they have to take supplements
No vitiam B 12 except in meat, though this proably shouldn't annoy vegiterians as it probably won't kill them, but their diet is lacking, at the same time most people who eat meant probably over do it too, it's, from a dietry point of view, a question of balance
inevitably does anyone who deosn't take vitiam supplement have what the medical industry tells us we should be eating??
Edit spelling
No vitiam B 12 except in meant, though this proably shouldn't annoy vegiterians as it probably won't kill them, but their diet is lacking, at the same time most people who eat meant probably over do it too, it's, from a dietry point of view, a question of balance [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by blackhatknight+4 November 2003 - 23:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blackhatknight @ 4 November 2003 - 23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@4 November 2003 - 23:45
<!--QuoteBegin-Common misconception
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Vegetarians are unhealthy, due to mineral and vitamin deficiencies because they don't eat meat, and they have to take supplements
Absolute rubbish.
Second result on Google: http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html
No vitiam B 12 except in meat, though this proably shouldn't annoy vegiterians as it probably won't kill them, but their diet is lacking, at the same time most people who eat meant probably over do it too, it's, from a dietry point of view, a question of balanceQuote:
Originally posted by blackhatknight+5 November 2003 - 00:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (blackhatknight @ 5 November 2003 - 00:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@4 November 2003 - 23:45
<!--QuoteBegin-Common misconception
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Vegetarians are unhealthy, due to mineral and vitamin deficiencies because they don't eat meat, and they have to take supplements
inevitably does anyone who deosn't take vitiam supplement have what the medical industry tells us we should be eating??
Edit spelling [/b][/quote]
Thats a fucking lie!
Its in milk-products and in egg-productsas well!
Shut the fuck up if you dont know what you are talking about!
Lamsey - I'm not a nutristionist so i can only state what i've read, consequently this does not mean your wrong
summerlinda, it obvious you do not have a crasp of civilised expression therefore i would not expect you to have a grasp of chemistry either, therefore i can only assume your viewpoints are based on the foolly of your evident lack of understanding
found here
What foods provide vitamin B12?
Vitamin B12 is naturally found in animal foods including fish, milk and milk products, eggs, meat, and poultry. Fortified breakfast cereals are an excellent source of vitamin B12 and a particularly valuable source for vegetarians.
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UKMan
She, like me, is fed up with people spouting utter and complete codswallop and then saying "oh, I'm not a nutritionist you know" in their defence.Quote:
Originally posted by blackhatknight@5 November 2003 - 00:12
Lamsey - I'm not a nutristionist so i can only state what i've read, consequently this does not mean your wrong
summerlinda, it obvious you do not have a crasp of civilised expression therefore i would not expect you to have a grasp of chemistry either, therefore i can only assume your viewpoints are based on the foolly of your evident lack of understanding
5 seconds on Google and you could have checked that fact before you posted it.
i cannot say that my reaseach is net based, i also think you over looked the subjectivity of quantitive reaseach, and this is what i was attempting (but obviously failed to highlight in my commemt about not being a nutritionist), i however i can not help people that take on selective reading of comments,Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@5 November 2003 - 00:23
She, like me, is fed up with people spouting utter and complete codswallop and then saying "oh, I'm not a nutritionist you know" in their defence.
5 seconds on Google and you could have checked that fact before you posted it.
"people judge a book from its cover and then read what they want between selected lines" - axl rose
i further expanded my point by arguing that be all (with the exemption of those that take tablets) suffer diffencies.
i'm very sorry you feel this way lamsey, i do not feel it was an appropriate way for her to express herself, however i recall this is a disccusion forum which means everyone's input is added, the inevitable outcome is people make up their own minds, whilst reading your posts i am sure you do not disagree with this priniciple, but active and valued disscussion can only take place where openess and general level of common courtesy are observed.
The words "shut the fuck up" do in no way remind me of civilised conversation or are they any way related to the common courtesy one expects in conversation, if my offence to her comments is unfounded, albeit, i can't see how they are.
Isn't it a pity that in a disscussion about vegterianism (the treatment of animals), we lose our civilised expression to our fellow man?
Something totally different. If everyone stopped eating meat, have you ever considered what would happen to the millions of animals kept by farmers?
Ahh never mind me, i always was better with animal then humans :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by blackhatknight@5 November 2003 - 01:37
Isn't it a pity that in a disscussion about vegterianism (the treatment of animals), we lose our civilised expression to our fellow man?
I take back the shut the fuck up, as long as you got the point... Its all Spider Dudes fault hehe...
we would have to shoot all the animals. and sorry blackhatknight, i should never have taught summerlinda english.
I prefer vitamin B3 anyway...
Ahh never mind me, i always was better with animal then humans :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda+5 November 2003 - 00:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 5 November 2003 - 00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blackhatknight@5 November 2003 - 01:37
Isn't it a pity that in a disscussion about vegterianism (the treatment of animals), we lose our civilised expression to our fellow man?
I take back the shut the fuck up, as long as you got the point... Its all Spider Dudes fault hehe... [/b][/quote]
Now what have I told you about discussing one thing in two places? :rolleyes:
Well since its already being killed and turned into burgers or whatever, if you eat it or not its not going to change the fact that its dead.
Why waste the food ?
Its not like you killed the cow your self to feel bad about it.
If you dont eat it some one else will.
Ahh never mind me, i always was better with animal then humans :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda+5 November 2003 - 00:59--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 5 November 2003 - 00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blackhatknight@5 November 2003 - 01:37
Isn't it a pity that in a disscussion about vegterianism (the treatment of animals), we lose our civilised expression to our fellow man?
I take back the shut the fuck up, as long as you got the point... Its all Spider Dudes fault hehe... [/b][/quote]
I do not know what you mean by as long as you got the point, i respect your right to have your view points (which are probably unchanged), as i hope you respect my right to have mine (which are unchanged)
whilst i am not sure how to fully take you comment, i am pleased that you have shown yourself to be, as i suspected, a much more open and civilised person, i will not take any offence and hope you do the same
big hug (aww)
That, in fact, is the best thing said in this discussion, give the man some flowers... ow wait, i'll do it myself! Here you go: :flowers:Quote:
Originally posted by neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 02:06
Well since its already being killed and turned into burgers or whatever, if you eat it or not its not going to change the fact that its dead.
Why waste the food ?
Its not like you killed the cow your self to feel bad about it.
If you dont eat it some one else will.
Thanks :)
LOL
That, in fact, is the best thing said in this discussion, give the man some flowers... ow wait, i'll do it myself! Here you go: :flowers: [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda+5 November 2003 - 01:11--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 5 November 2003 - 01:11)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 02:06
Well since its already being killed and turned into burgers or whatever, if you eat it or not its not going to change the fact that its dead.
Why waste the food ?
Its not like you killed the cow your self to feel bad about it.
If you dont eat it some one else will.
The reason is, that by consuming meat, you are also responsible for the killing of that creature. If you don't eat meat then they are killed for others. That's all.
Ahhh i know what you are at, you want flowers to eh? <_<Quote:
Originally posted by nigel123@5 November 2003 - 02:16
The reason is, that by consuming meat, you are also responsible for the killing of that creature. If you don't eat meat then they are killed for others. That's all.
Ahhh i know what you are at, you want flowers to eh? <_< [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by summerlinda+5 November 2003 - 01:24--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda @ 5 November 2003 - 01:24)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nigel123@5 November 2003 - 02:16
The reason is, that by consuming meat, you are also responsible for the killing of that creature. If you don't eat meat then they are killed for others. That's all.
Natuurlijk! :lol:
Yeah but imagine all the meat that goes overdue because they didnt sell enough and then they just throw the meat away.
I would feel more bad about an animal dying for nothing.
It's really a question of demand and supply. No demand, then slowly but surely no killing.Quote:
Originally posted by neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 01:32
Yeah but imagine all the meat that goes overdue because they didnt sell enough and then they just throw the meat away.
I would feel more bad about an animal dying for nothing.
is it worth noting that in europen we have the "mountains of food" great big warhouses full of the stuff as a result of C.A.P. , (which i feel should be removed), however it is used as charitable donations when it reaches the point of overkill, with there most recent donation being steak in gravyQuote:
Originally posted by neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 01:32
Yeah but imagine all the meat that goes overdue because they didnt sell enough and then they just throw the meat away.
I would feel more bad about an animal dying for nothing.
I didn't mean to be rude.Quote:
You see you started the post with the question i don't know what to do, now you've went and pissed me off lol, i'll be rawer if you want???
When their are people starving in the world (and i've seen it first hand) you are previlaged you have s choice on what you want to eat, most vegiterians make such a strong stand of what is on the scope of things a trivial matter, there is a life and death cycle and your life will inevitably cause death (though hopefully not to other humans), vegitarianism is to me a self indulgence, half assed stance on how placid one is and how immoral the death and ill treatment of animals is,
what i say is if your going to do to do it, do it right, i encountered a tribe one time that did not believe in killing anything, they wore masks over there faces incase they breathed in insects, and swept the path in front of them in case they should stand on and consequently kill anything, if you truly want to make a stand make it, no one, worth their salt, cares about half assed attempts like vegitarianism
After taking in the dietry requirement of vegitarians i am tempted to ask if they would return the favour and make a courtesy call before i attend their dinner for large rare 12 oz steak
My purpose is not to act the perfect way, but to do my best as long as I can have a pleasant life. That's why I don't care if I eat a insect :x , or if I crush one under my foot by inadvertency. I just think they are in another dimension. But damn! animals we eat are just like us in so many ways. I've heard a pig has a 30 minutes orgasm!! How can you kill such an animal. Horses & dogs are feeling good with us.
It was really and it's still not a problem for me to not eating meat. But now without cheese milk and eggs, I'm quite starving. Here is my problem.
I should actually have asked this question at the beguinig of this thread: Do you think veegans are right saying that eating milk and other milky products contributes indirectly to the killing of cows and calves ?
I quote myself here so that people can now what I'm talking about:
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I know It looks stupid for most people not even to drink milk.
But the point is that a cow is animal suposed to live about 20 years, but as their milk production slow down when they reach the age of 5 years, they are just killed in order to be eaten. In addition if you want a cow to give you milk, she must have a veal to provoque the milk production, and the argument of vegans is: the veal industry is prolific because of that
when a calf is born on a ranch we feed it and nurture it, once it is healthy enough we take back what we have given it by it now feeding us. with a milking cow we feed it to be nice and healthy in return it gives us milk that feeds us and makes our bones stronger, its called the circle of life as cheesey as that sounds, as far as i know Jesus ate meat so do i, im 16 but when i was 14 and 15 i got my first job on a farm, feeding and taking care of cows, even the calfs i would help give shots and medication if they were ill, even help the birth process (which i learned you have to have a decent stomach to handle) so i guess i gains a mutual respect when ever i eat meat now, cause i'd take care of them, in return they'd feed me. i'd even kill the Coyotes who would try and pick off the Calf's, i dont take for granted the meat i eat so i have no problem.
Your points of view are very sound (IMHO) and what i suppose it boils down to is how you respect nature, how you respect animals and how you respect life. Dont take things for granted (as you so wisely said) and above all - give thanks to what we have.Quote:
Originally posted by Pitbul@5 November 2003 - 19:40
when a calf is born on a ranch we feed it and nurture it, once it is healthy enough we take back what we have given it by it now feeding us. with a milking cow we feed it to be nice and healthy in return it gives us milk that feeds us and makes our bones stronger, its called the circle of life as cheesey as that sounds, as far as i know Jesus ate meat so do i, im 16 but when i was 14 and 15 i got my first job on a farm, feeding and taking care of cows, even the calfs i would help give shots and medication if they were ill, even help the birth process (which i learned you have to have a decent stomach to handle) so i guess i gains a mutual respect when ever i eat meat now, cause i'd take care of them, in return they'd feed me. i'd even kill the Coyotes who would try and pick off the Calf's, i dont take for granted the meat i eat so i have no problem.
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UKMan
You should just stick to what you usually eat. You cant just stop eating eggs and drinking milk just like that, you will get sick.Quote:
But now without cheese milk and eggs, I'm quite starving. Here is my problem.
You said it your self, you are starving.
No i dont think that they are "right". It sounds like these people are giving out a message that if you eat meat you are a bad person.Quote:
Do you think vegans are right saying that eating milk and other milky products contributes indirectly to the killing of cows and calves ?
You should stop listening to these ppl and listen to your stomach.
Trust me their is nothing wrong with eating eggs or drinking milk.
I'm not really starving, but just frustrated not to eat milky products.Quote:
Originally posted by neattairoski@5 November 2003 - 23:46
You should just stick to what you usually eat. You cant just stop eating eggs and drinking milk just like that, you will get sick.Quote:
But now without cheese milk and eggs, I'm quite starving. Here is my problem.
You said it your self, you are starving.
No i dont think that they are "right". It sounds like these people are giving out a message that if you eat meat you are a bad person.Quote:
Do you think vegans are right saying that eating milk and other milky products contributes indirectly to the killing of cows and calves ?
You should stop listening to these ppl and listen to your stomach.
Trust me their is nothing wrong with eating eggs or drinking milk.
Yes there is if by your fault they killed the cow which gives you the milk and her veal.Quote:
Trust me their is nothing wrong with eating eggs or drinking milk.
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Do you think vegans are right saying that eating milk and other milky products contributes indirectly to the killing of cows and calves ?
If you Repeatedly ask your self that question, and you dont like the answer (Which you have answered) maybe becoming a vegan is not for you.Quote:
Yes there is if by your fault they killed the cow which gives you the milk and her veal.
She, like me, is fed up with people spouting utter and complete codswallop and then saying "oh, I'm not a nutritionist you know" in their defence.Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey+5 November 2003 - 00:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 5 November 2003 - 00:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-blackhatknight@5 November 2003 - 00:12
Lamsey - I'm not a nutristionist so i can only state what i've read, consequently this does not mean your wrong
summerlinda, it obvious you do not have a crasp of civilised expression therefore i would not expect you to have a grasp of chemistry either, therefore i can only assume your viewpoints are based on the foolly of your evident lack of understanding
5 seconds on Google and you could have checked that fact before you posted it. [/b][/quote]
After all this time i'm only back on line and bring this up, hey you better blieve it, I got cut off before I had time to come up with a reply and this is it. You obviously have all the the mental capacity of a snail, is everthing you learn from google, God help us all, is that how people are now educated without any acedemic ability to learn themselves they simply take it off internet sites, hey after midrad this week i'm sitting myself over terrorism after your post i'm shiting myself over the generation that will take over, get yourself an education.
Edit bit stirred up and back with a little more atitupde (like the spelling blow it out your ass)
That was quite some bump :blink:
... and, sorry but it has to be said....
It took you all that time to come up with that? ;)