What, do you think, makes a good member of a private tracker different from a bad...

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Originally Posted by cinephilia

i was just kidding :console:

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Sorry about that! :)

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Staffing at 1 torrent site for last 1 year or so.. So, the anti-cheating system shows me, and the detailed peerlist helps me too.. like, you have IP & port. Try to connect with that torrent to that peer. If you do not succeed, then he/she is cheating, as simple as that. :)

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Actually, there's a multitude of reasons that statement is wrong. What if you're in my IP filter? What if my network went (and is still) down? What if I've already opened too many upload slots for that torrent and thus am refusing connections (I assume that "succeed" means being able to download from the suspect)?

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

(I assume that "succeed" means being able to download from the suspect)?

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yup... You are right.
But the other possiblities that you told me, can be a reason, but if I test that for 2-3 times or more, I can be >90% sure that peer is fake peer. :)
Well, nobody can be perfect, so, its just another 90% right try.. Worthy..

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

(I assume that "succeed" means being able to download from the suspect)?

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yup... You are right.
But the other possiblities that you told me, can be a reason, but if I test that for 2-3 times or more, I can be >90% sure that peer is fake peer. :)
Well, nobody can be perfect, so, its just another 90% right try.. Worthy..

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and i still wondering how you get booted from sdbits :mellow:
i mean the 'real' reason :yup:

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Originally Posted by ScottK

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Originally Posted by bijoy

yup... You are right.
But the other possiblities that you told me, can be a reason, but if I test that for 2-3 times or more, I can be >90% sure that peer is fake peer. :)
Well, nobody can be perfect, so, its just another 90% right try.. Worthy..

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and i still wondering how you get booted from sdbits :mellow:
i mean the 'real' reason :yup:

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may be someday I did the same to any of their staffs. :huh: ;)

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

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Originally Posted by whatcdfan

by following rules and seed hard i think u deserve a place everywhere

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No one "deserves a place" anywhere as far as torrent trackers are concerned. Access to them is a privilege, not a right.

Other than that, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed plenty of times in the past already. :ermm:

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please stop spamming.....if you have nothing interesting to say....9,746 post full of spam

Add me to your ignore list if you dislike my posts so much.

Make that 9747.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

No one "deserves a place" anywhere as far as torrent trackers are concerned. Access to them is a privilege, not a right.

Other than that, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed plenty of times in the past already. :ermm:

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please stop spamming.....if you have nothing interesting to say....9,746 post full of spam

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If that qualifies as spamming, let's just erase 90% of the content of this section...

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

Make that 9747.

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how much to get orange?

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Originally Posted by ScottK

how much to get orange?

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Those aren't based on postcount, they're given if you're News or Newsgroups Moderator.

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

Those aren't based on postcount, they're given if you're News or Newsgroups Moderator.

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then someone just lied to me :angry:

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Originally Posted by cepal

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

No one "deserves a place" anywhere as far as torrent trackers are concerned. Access to them is a privilege, not a right.

Other than that, I'm pretty sure this has been discussed plenty of times in the past already. :ermm:

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please stop spamming.....if you have nothing interesting to say....9,746 post full of spam

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What the fuck is it with these people ? This is the only forum that I ever heard of where some people think posting is a bad thing.
I guess that goes back to my point where a lot of these twits see this site only on a want /get basis.

Btw I hate to shock you but you are not the sole judge of what people find interesting. :unsure:

try Word Game Section.

i'm lovin it! :happy:

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Originally Posted by ScottK

and i still wondering how you get booted from sdbits :mellow:
i mean the 'real' reason :yup:

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may be someday I did the same to any of their staffs. :huh: ;)

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Yeah I'm sure they are just shaking in the boots at the thought of getting banned from whatever tracker you staff :rolleyes:

It's amazing, nowadays theres so many trackers anybody can make staff :lol:

good members have mustache? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by gamesover

It's amazing, nowadays theres so many trackers anybody can make staff :lol:

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just like you & iPlay :yup:

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Originally Posted by ScottK

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Originally Posted by gamesover

It's amazing, nowadays theres so many trackers anybody can make staff :lol:

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just like you & iPlay :yup:

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its an honour to have u here with us sir
really i love the way u post

I see a bit of talk about bandwidth being the difference between a good and a bad user.

Personally, I use a seedbox for virtually everything I download (except for .mp3's). Not because I'm a ratio whore (couldn't give a fuck about ratio... anything above 1:1 is just taking way ratio opportunities from other users) but because I live in a country where my shitty 90GB monthly data cap costs a small fortune ($150p/m) and the speeds aren't that great either (15Mb/s down 3Mb/s up). So, in order to obtain the content I'm after, I let the seed box take care of the costly part... the seeding back. This way, I get around 90GB of actual content each and every month. (usually go over my cap, by around 10 - 30GB each month... so ends up costing a ton more). That way, I feel I've had value for the cost of the connection. I don't download a game I won't play. I've never downloaded a movie or tv episode either myself or my Girlfriend haven't watched. Sometimes I post on tracker forums. Sometimes I hang out in their IRC channels. Sometimes I even upload stuff or send a little donation in the direction of a trackers paypal account. Hell, sometimes I even log in to the tracker I Admin at. That to me, makes me a good user in my opinion. I don't understand what else is really needed from a user. Sure, to some people, gigantic fucking ratios look cool, and a mammoth snatch list filled with shit you couldn't possibly have had time to watch/listen/use is nice and all... but to most, you just look like a douche.

As for the user base of the little tracker I call home... if I see a user that downloads the odd file, logs in to the site and looks around maybe once or twice a week/fortnight, and seeds their stuff for an extended period (as we don't always have a ton of leech activity) so another user later down the line can snatch it too, and maybe (just maybe) pops in to the IRC channel, or says hi on the forums, then that's enough for me. To me, that's a good user. Anyone that goes above and beyond all that, is a great user. :)

(probably not much more than worthless blah blah, but I still wanted to throw my 2c ramble in to the mix).

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Sometimes I feel mentally retarded 'cause I don't understand how people view me as a person...

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Wasn't it suggested before that you need to stop caring what a bunch of douchebag strangers online think of you? It's a little saddening to see that you haven't yet put that into practice, OlegL.

Just download whatever you want, seed it back the best you can, and don't worry about anything else. BT is simply a means to obtain files. Not something that you should allow to make you feel "mentally retarded".

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But still, I don't think that members of private trackers usually hear about themselves the comments that are as strong as "Go back to Mininova where you belong" or am I wrong?

what was the story behind those comments?

I am talking about this comment that somebody made about me on filesharingtalk: "Have you maybe considered that you are in fact retarted? There are 20,000 members who seem to get by just fine. I seriously doubt that each and every one of those members finds the staff weird. I certainly don't. The forums provide an insane amount of knowledge about video encoding, HDTV's etc. The torrents are always on time and well encoded. You are the odd one out of the group.

Go back to mininova where you belong. "

You'll find this comment if you look for it.

i have no words, i can just tell u to go back and this very thread from beginning and put all that advised to u into practice

In the words of IdolEyez787:

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Well hung

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In the words of IdolEyez787:

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Well hung

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she bang, she bang
she boom, she boom

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Originally Posted by ScottK

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

Those aren't based on postcount, they're given if you're News or Newsgroups Moderator.

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then someone just lied to me :angry:

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you wanna be orange?

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Originally Posted by whatcdfan

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Originally Posted by ScottK

just like you & iPlay :yup:

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its an honour to have u here with us sirreally i love the way u post

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Why are you so sure about the word sir ?? She can be maa'm too. :P

A good user is one who can easily join another tracker by proving that he doesn't need that new tracker(Just like banks will lend you money when you can prove you don't need it)....

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Originally Posted by Humbucker

A good user is one who can easily join another tracker by proving that he doesn't need that new tracker(Just like banks will lend you money when you can prove you don't need it)....

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Yeah I always find it funny when I see people making fun of any high level tracker request and telling the OP all the reasons why they don't need that tracker, especially because I almost always recognize those who are making those type of replies as members of at least some of those trackers themselves. If you look way back through their post history you'll find a request thread they made that they conveniently have long since forgotten about or replies in any kind of giveaways where those special invites were given out (usually if the staff of said high level trackers start an official recruitment thread its more respectable to beg there).

There's only a few ways you join a tracker - by starting a request thread and opening yourself up to ridicule, by replying in a giveaway but the rarity of the tracker will determine the rarity of seeing a giveaway, or getting your online buddies to invite you. That last one is usually a give and take relationship, you invite them somewhere and they pay back the favor in time or vice-versa. The odd time some generous member will offer you an invite out of the blue; it's just that those random strokes of luck don't happen often and for members who are relatively anonymous, meaning they don't spam up forums and IRC channels, they rarely if ever happen.

Just as much as you can say nobody really needs a tracker, by the same token you can say nobody doesn't really not need a tracker. This is more true for specialty trackers, as there are just too many generic 0day trackers these days that only a handful of them really stand out as being invaluable.

The real bad members are the ones who beg for invites to trackers they never intend to use much or just use as trading commodity.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

Yeah I always find it funny when I see people making fun of any high level tracker request and telling the OP all the reasons why they don't need that tracker, especially because I almost always recognize those who are making those type of replies as members of at least some of those trackers themselves. If you look way back through their post history you'll find a request thread they made that they conveniently have long since forgotten about or replies in any kind of giveaways where those special invites were given out (usually if the staff of said high level trackers start an official recruitment thread its more respectable to beg there).

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Ever stop to consider that it's precisely because we're members there that we can tell you the reasons you don't need it? For most of us, including myself, we bought into the hype when we started torrenting. Once you actually join said "1337" sites you realize that it's all pointless and is just an account that could've gone to some new torrenter without any sources for material. Any "high level" 0-day tracker can easily be replaced by SCC, or whatever the best ratioless tracker is these days (PTM/GFT?). Most of the exclusive content sites are better in a way but there's still only a very specific subset of people who need them, and those people have a way of finding their way there naturally. You don't need to be a member of E**** to download FLAC, there's plenty of FLAC at What/Waffles. You don't need to be a member of TT to download trance, there's plenty at TranceRoute. In my personal experience, the only hard to join tracker that offered a significant improvement to my ability to find quality content was HDBits.

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There's only a few ways you join a tracker - by starting a request thread and opening yourself up to ridicule, by replying in a giveaway but the rarity of the tracker will determine the rarity of seeing a giveaway, or getting your online buddies to invite you. That last one is usually a give and take relationship, you invite them somewhere and they pay back the favor in time or vice-versa. The odd time some generous member will offer you an invite out of the blue; it's just that those random strokes of luck don't happen often and for members who are relatively anonymous, meaning they don't spam up forums and IRC channels, they rarely if ever happen.

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I disagree. There's the oft overlooked method of "open signups and unlimited giveaway threads". There are also IRC interviews and application forms in several places.

Opening a request opens people to ridicule here because the requesters generally have either dubious reasons or a dubious past. I've seen plenty of people come and go here, and the cynic in me has seen plenty of jackasses that sign up a new account to make a request, only to eventually be linked to trading history down the road. When the forum openly allows proxied browsing, you can never tell for sure. I'd be comfortable inviting (most of) the regulars here to a tracker, but the regulars are precisely the people who don't need said trackers. And sure, a random stroke of luck doesn't happen if you don't participate in a community, but I'm never going to PM some random dude out of the blue and be like "hey, here's an invite for you". The give and take thing is BS. When I invite people somewhere I expect to receive nothing in return. At the end of the day, I treat invites with their original purpose: to be distributed to friends, or at least people I interact with. Not some random dude with an easily faked ratio test or profile screenshot in exchange for rep points.

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Just as much as you can say nobody really needs a tracker, by the same token you can say nobody doesn't really not need a tracker. This is more true for specialty trackers, as there are just too many generic 0day trackers these days that only a handful of them really stand out as being invaluable.

The real bad members are the ones who beg for invites to trackers they never intend to use much or just use as trading commodity.

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Actually you can. What people know of the "rare" trackers is what they've learned from the reviews and hype. It's a lot easier to tell you it's BS if you're already a member there. Most of the people I see here requesting something like, say, TranceTraffic, barely even listen to edm. What/Waffles would probably have enough mainstream edm to last them a lifetime. The people I know who make good use of that place are DJs that mix together samples from obscure artists or want the latest pre-release track from some no-name group that isn't popular enough to leak to a site like What.

It seems to be a common misconception that these sites are somehow better contentwise than their larger counterparts. Fewer members = fewer torrents. As such, when there's better availability for content in general elsewhere, you're looking for a specific reason they'd like to join... whether they seem like they'd be a good "fit" for the community. Maybe in the case of a site like Pedro's or E they really have a thing for full album artwork scans at 600dpi or anal tagging and filenames. But just saying "I've heard they're the best FLAC trackers ever" doesn't do much. What has 200K FLAC torrents, Demonoid and rutracker have far more than that too (though for those you'll need to learn how to read EAC logs).

tl;dr, don't make sweeping assumptions about a concept you don't understand.

ca_aok,

Really insightful post. Usually walls of text mean that the poster is going to put up a bunch of bullshit he pulled out of his ass, but you and a few other members at FST have done the opposite.

It's true - you only really want it until you have it. It's like the inverse relationship of "You don't realize what you have until it's gone." Your happiness at getting said trackers peaks, plateaus, and usually falls back down to when you didn't have it. Actually, the excitement level of having the tracker may be higher when you didn't have it than when you had it. It's for this reason that I'd like invite/account giveaways to be legal. Seriously, does knowing someone online ensure that they'll be a good user of a site? Not really. I have a few accounts I'd like to give away, because I have absolutely no use for them, got them during open signups, and would like to open another wanna-have's eyes. But alas.

As for proof of how not all guys get ridiculed with high level requests:
http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/427592-Pedros

I'd also like to add a point to the main discussion. You'll see many so-called "good" members of private trackers come and go, with ridiculous high ratios / 1:1 ratios depending on your standpoint of what's a good user. But take those same users, give them the public torrent sites, and you will immediately see who share for the sake of sharing, and who share because it enlarges their e-penis. I think most "average" users of BT turn out to be good users, with their flailing posts of "thank u uploader, i will seed back." These guys have no intricate understanding of the mechanisms of the BT world, but with their limited knowledge of "seeding is good" turn out to do more good than the average "good" private tracker member. As the saying goes, Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9224/gooduser.png


^^^^^^^^^^gud yooser.

scene trackers? good user=good ratio

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^^^^^^^^^^gud yooser.

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That or you've learnt to use BEncode Editor.

As you can see, the world isn't perfect. :lol:

Clearly I've been mislead because my first thought was tits.


Wait what are we talking about again?

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

...Wait what are we talking about again?

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I'm not sure, tits or twats? I vote for tits.

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^^^^^^^^^^gud yooser.

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That or you've learnt to use BEncode Editor.

As you can see, the world isn't perfect. :lol:

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Noo, him gud yooser i now dat bcuz he tel me

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...Wait what are we talking about again?

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I'm not sure, tits or twats? I vote for tits.

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You forgot ass.

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Originally Posted by Humbucker

A good user is one who can easily join another tracker by proving that he doesn't need that new tracker(Just like banks will lend you money when you can prove you don't need it)....

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Why would you what to join a new tracker if you really don't need it ? Are you still going to be a good member of the "old" tracker? I mean either the "old" tracker or the new tracker is bound to suffer by the fact so .... :unsure:
Is this some sort of trick question?

Not that anyone needs any tracker btw.
Sadly the same thing can't be said for borrowing money. Even if you have a good job I don't think too many of us have a few hundred thousand dollars idly lying around when we want to buy a house.

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^^^^^^^^^^gud yooser.

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That or you've learnt to use BEncode Editor.

As you can see, the world isn't perfect. :lol:

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DRATS! Foiled again! I'll get you kids one of these days!!!!!!

Hot well-endowed women are all good users.

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Originally Posted by hdooga

Hot well-endowed women are all good users.

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Yeah and members with 'Anti-trader' in their user titles absolutely have to be anti-traders :lol:

I also like how it's all capitalized just for extra emphasis.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

It's amazing, nowadays theres so many trackers anybody can make staff :lol:

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just like you & iPlay :yup:

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What are you talking about? I don't staff for iPlay.

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Originally Posted by hdooga

Hot well-endowed women are all good users.

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You're exceptionally bad at this.

I am still curious, how many of you have ever been told things similar to "Go back to Mininova where you belong"?