Thx, I was talking about forums. I heard of warez-bb but never looked at it. Will do.
edit : the site is so slow right now, my god...!
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Thx, I was talking about forums. I heard of warez-bb but never looked at it. Will do.
edit : the site is so slow right now, my god...!
What are the current strength/weaknesses of each?
In general, usenet has better retention. Sure, HDBits and some other places offer very old files, but on the average, torrents die a lot faster.
Torrents have a wider selection of content, especially if you're into niche stuff. However, if you scan headers of more rare groups, you could probably find some real gems, although I'd bet they don't overlap directly with say the FLAC offerings of What or Pedro's.
If all BT got shut down tomorrow, would Usenet be able to replace it completely?
Some people will point to the content difference now, but this overlooks that this gap would be filled by migrating BT users to some extent. Usenet would become even more comprehensive if BT did not exist.
Where would we go for community/drama?
Pornhub
Are there sufficient "rare files" available?
Almost. As I said, I don't think they overlap, but you can find rare files on both.
Which has better security?
Usenet. I don't care how invites are handed out or fake logins. I'm still showing my IP address to other random people on the internet.
Do private communities mean anything anymore with all of the selling/trading/for profit trackers?
Not as much. The experienced traders/sellers can and are in everywhere, often never detected. But I don't think the bad eggs ruin the whole community.
Where do you stand on these issues?
I fluctuate. I browse both. Anything older than a day or two and I'll usually be searching for the nzb.
Have you tried Usenet?
I've subscribed for years.
Have you already (happily) jumped the BT ship?
Not completely. But I've never found a bt site that felt right, at least not since I was totally new and just stuck with my first.
One of the disadvantages of having so many users. Once you make an account, enable LiteSurf in your options - that will remove avatars and signatures so that pages load faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by KFlint
Thanks for that thorough answer, Monaco. Your answers mirror much of what I feel or expect regarding the situation. My long-time mental model of filesharing has been of a library. I am beginning to wond4r if that model is not better suited to usenet- not BT.
I truly enjoy what BT could have been. Sadly, it has been swamped out by corruptions (selling, for-profit trackers, childish games). Perhaps, like in the real world, libraries should be silent place and not "communities".
I'm still working on this, but have grown disappointed at the (near) collapse of something I enjoy.
It's okay. I got it. :console:Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
If for anything, it wasn't your language, it's probably the fact that people aren't accustomed to standing back and reviewing their stance on matters.
Although, you did miss out on one of Tokeman's finer points, which was the fact that he didn't need to rely on trackers to supply him the news because the news is freely available elsewhere, from friends who download from newsgroups, to sites dedicated to announcing pres or rapidshare uploads, etc.
News is less used that DD or BT..I dont think you can find a amazing thematic group dedicated to upload dvds with spanish audio (for instance)... Is not it :P?
alt.binaries.dvd.spanish
alt.binaries.movies.spanish
there you go :)
alt.binaries.movies.spanish is not a dvd thematic group..I guess it is only avi/mpgQuote:
Originally Posted by stoi
alt.binaries.dvd.spanish is an amazing active group, really??
I was not searching the info (thanks, anyway), I dont think alt.binaries.dvd.spanish group equals ALL spanish-latin trackers.
Demonoid either lolQuote:
Originally Posted by luegin
Demonoid solely does not represent BT, it has more to offerQuote:
Originally Posted by luegin
And if you are solely talking about speeds, SCC has the ability to max out most of the connections
I have seen seedboxes going up to 100mbits, that is a lot of speed
With Usenet, you can also make do with much slower internet connections. For example, a basic 10up/1down plan is plenty for Usenet (that's what I use right now), but that 1mb is probably not fast enough for most private torrent sites (of course, there are exceptions like BTN and Torrentday).
So yeah, Usenet costs $10 a month for subscription (astraweb unlimited plan here), but I think it would be reasonable to assume that the vast majority of people on Torrent trackers have upgraded their internet for the sole purpose of having faster seed speeds (of course, seedboxes cost even more)
That being said, there are some boutique torrent sites that have access to a lot of material that isn't on Usenet, such as what, waffles, and various eBook trackers. And I guess without preview screens Bittorrent (and Direct Download)'s access to porn is probably a lot more user-friendly.
I think Usenet's a little daunting because there are a few weaknesses:
It's more of a hassle than just utorrent -> download torrent
Search definitely isn't as user-friendly as it is on good torrent sites, public or private
Indexing sites are not as good as private, 0-day sites like Torrentday or BTN. Especially not for older material (like Walker, Texas Ranger, which isn't on Usenet)
I cant speak spanish so i dont really give a fuck tbh.
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alt.binaries.movies.spanish is not a dvd thematic group..I guess it is only avi/mpg
alt.binaries.dvd.spanish is an amazing active group, really??
I was not searching the info (thanks, anyway), I dont think alt.binaries.dvd.spanish group equals ALL spanish-latin trackers.
Going to ask in here since most people posting in this thread use both bittorrent and usenet and might had the same questions in the past:
I just started testing usenet (since a few hours back) with ipv6 tunneling and sabnzbd. Tested it and the speeds seem great for a free service. However i still don't get how to search for content. From what i've understood there are various indexers (much like warez-bb for ddl) and i've already signed up in newzbin but i guess i have to pay to have access to more features and i didn't exactly understood how the categories (usenet raw, usenet condensed etc) worked or their purpose.
So my questions:
- How can i search for content on usenet? I've visited the newsgroups section and it seems like i can even do it on irc, don't know how though.
- What advantages do i have if i sign up for a paid provider besides speed, connections, ect? And what are the best providers? (no biased opinions please)
- I've also read about newsleecher... is it better than the client i'm using now? And can i use it with this free setup?
I could have googled it and asked around, but the amount information is just too overwhelming and there are too many different opinions. Maybe those who started in bittorrent can make it more clear.
1. To look for content on the usenet you have 2 ways: sites like FST that manually index releases, pm me for more info, or automatic indexing sites, which are pretty much the google of the newsgroups. NzbIndex.nl and binsearch.info are the two top contenders.
2. Paid providers offer you exactly maximum speed on every file, no matter how old it is, and longer retentions. (Most are ranging from 700 to 1000 days, which is HUGE). It's very hard to chose which one is the "best", as many smaller companies are resellers from major ones, and so forth. Really, give it a go on our promotions. I might have something interesting for you.
3. I use sabnzbd because I like controlling everything from my browser. Newsleecher is the best software client around, while Sab is browser based, which I prefer, and doesn't lack any option. If you are using Chrome, try the extension sabconnect++. It will allow you to add files to the queue on a single click from most sites.
Just to add a quick point about grabbing nzbs on irc. There are several channels whose communities post content, including #alt.binaries.hdtv.x264 @ efnet and a.b.teevee, a.b.dvdr and .dvds all on efnet I believe. You can search for and download the .nzbs through various irc commands. They offer points for filling requests so you can also place requests.
Definitely try a paid provider for 1 month at least. It's worth the "risk" of the minimal monthly fee and with a little effort finding your way to the nzbs, you'll probably end up a convert.
new uploads are always released via newsgroups, from here we go into irc and from IRC we go into bittorrent from bittorrent we go into file hosting companies
been using grabid for streaming for some time , been using bittorrent for streaming since forever, been using ed2k streaming since forever its all true even edonkey links can be streamed .
newsgroups are part of email system so they can't possibly ban it since every windows server has a built in nntp server
the only down side of newsgroups is cost vs bt which is free and has more people active
Talking about HD video, Usenet should be my best option, right?
Well, as a heavy user of BluRay niche i prefer BT Nework by far over Usenet.
- PreTimes -> Both are fast
- Dowload Speed -> BT 30-40MB/s | Usenet 10-13MB/s (NewsDemon)
- RAR/UNRAR -> BT Folders | Usenet You have to unrar all the files and could need to repair some of them (CRC Errors)
- Cost -> BT Free | Usenet 10$/Monthly
Anyway my situation is a bit strange because i manage all my downloads with a gbit dedicated server and then i spread it over my house/friends network. I also try to seed well all my downloads and if i can i upload some EUR releases. So for me isnīt difficult to have a good RATIO.
What do you mean by this? I'd really like to know;Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
how will the files download if I turn off my PC?
excellent analysis btw, I am about to start trying Usenet and posted about it in the Newsgroup section, and 'anon-sbi' pointed me to your post in relation to a question I had about advantages Usenet has over BT.
I think it's a reference to Usenet's speed and lack of uploading. You get the files blazing fast, and since you don't have to seed them afterwards, you can just shut your PC down if you have nothing else to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldpease
Many clients do that automatically for you (I use newsleecher, it repairs and unrar's them right after finishing downloading).Quote:
Originally Posted by PerMaFrOsT
The one thing I hate about usenet (though I prefer it and I am an avid usenet user).. is there is lots of wasted downloading.. unless a torrent site that has staff to remove crap like some homemade DVD that has 22 episodes shrunk down to one DVD... you get CAMs converted to DVD9s and things like that. If you are searching using a standard indexing like binsearch.info, you don't know what is actually good to download or not - unless you stick to scene releases only. Using an indexing site though at least you will get comments from other users advising if its worth to download or not.
Uh! now that I read it again,Quote:
Originally Posted by anon-sbiI think it's a reference to Usenet's speed and lack of uploading. You get the files blazing fast, and since you don't have to seed them afterwards, you can just shut your PC down if you have nothing else to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldpease
I kinda' sounded stupid with that question, lol.
Dont use anything else except BT
Thanks for the post, really constructive and relevant to the discussion. You know what? I think I'll go back to torrents just because you don't use anything except them. That must mean they're awesome, dude.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoNeHead
Unrar 2-8GB Files is a very light operation but when we are talking about 400≈ files and BluRays with a weight around 35-45GB... also you have to add the common CRC problems (itīs easy to fix them with p.par2 files, but the clock is counting and you spend time :lol:)Quote:
Originally Posted by RillyMany clients do that automatically for you (I use newsleecher, it repairs and unrar's them right after finishing downloading).Quote:
Originally Posted by PerMaFrOsT
The one thing I hate about usenet (though I prefer it and I am an avid usenet user).. is there is lots of wasted downloading.. unless a torrent site that has staff to remove crap like some homemade DVD that has 22 episodes shrunk down to one DVD... you get CAMs converted to DVD9s and things like that. If you are searching using a standard indexing like binsearch.info, you don't know what is actually good to download or not - unless you stick to scene releases only. Using an indexing site though at least you will get comments from other users advising if its worth to download or not.
private trackers rocks for get blurays fast :yup:
I started out using Usenet but been using both for yrs Usenet and BT both have their pros and cons.
Everyone has their own preference. I would much rather use Usenet to grab HD files instead of keeping these large files on my internal drive for who knows how long taking up space just to seed with my slow connection. For me it's better to download them at full speed, spend the few measly minutes to extract them, then move them to my external and forget about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerMaFrOsT
I use a combination of trackers and usenet. A few times a file has popped up on usenet before its on one of my trackers so then I upload it to the tracker. Some files I've had better luck with trackers and some on usenet.
It's all down to personal preference I'd say.
after my changeover my first post in this thread..
BT: in 70% cases its like kids playground.
Usenet: no kids business. Its like a place with a poster at every entrance: "Kids are not allowed here".:naughty:
:P
I guess I hurt the feelings of some people. :01:
I mainly use UseNet and there are only a few things I still get from the torrent/tracker world
1) Niche sites to let me browse through their collections to see what other things I may like that I haven't considered (ie Anime trackers)
2) Trustworthy comments on torrents from private trackers (ie. BestAppEver-RoXxX -> comments let me know RoXxX is a bogus group and it's just packaged spyware with the app. In usenet I just see BestAppEver-RoXxX and I have to make the decision myself to know if its malware, etc.)
As for everything else, FST's nzb section lets me see what's out everyday and the design and usefulness is amazing. Oh, and SSL is priceless, I make fun of all the torrent runners who still get letter's from their ISP about that horrible looking cam they downloaded...
SSL is nice, but you're already not going to get those dreaded letters without it, since you're downloading from a single server and not uploading anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by lightshow
Cabalo pretty much nailed it as to what newsgroups offer and the benefits. But although I realize that large portion of the people here (including me) have been very vocal about how great newgroups are, there is one simple thing they lack: community. Not community as in "hey lets post random bullshit in rate that ass and pretend to care about this forum" but community as in a community driven to share and archive a lot of content for a certain niche, as cliched as that may sound. While our newgroups section's (actual discussion, not index) activity pales in comparison to our BT section, when I was a Newsgroups newbie hunting for information I was surprised to find that our Newsgroups section was multiple orders of magnitudes above any other forum I could find in terms of activity. Newsgroups just feels so lifeless: it's just mindlessly upload everything from the scene, along with some uploads from usenet groups, then have user indexed sites just mindlessly post everything they find from automatic indexers or headers with no real thought involved.
Probably the most obvious example of how BT can excel where Newsgroups can't is in What.CD: While I'm not an audiophile and am plenty satisfied with Demonoid, you simply can't find that level of content and organization anywhere in Newgroups. Another site that has been invaluable to me is BCG: The amount of content dedicated to Wii (and I'm sure every other console) hacking and homebrew is simply unrivaled in the Newgroup landscape. And when even a tiny corruption in a WAD install can permanently brick my Wii, I'd rather be able to read through some comments on the file from BCG enthusiasts rather than get it from random guy x who decided to put it up on usenet. While newgroups is certainly my one stop shop for general content, I don't think it will ever come close to replicating the experience BT users have on some of the better niche sites.
Another, while probably rather obvious, but in my mind understated on this forum, point is that BT can be a GREAT alternative if used right. To defend newgroups and the cost associated with it, people claim that since [generic FST member] is already spending so much on a seedbox, donating to random sites to gain favor/whore invites to trade, why not switch to newgroups and actually save money? Another popular argument is people already spend so much time managing ratios, whoring favor from forums to "move up the ladder", trading invites, etc. that you could yourself a lot of time and headaches by simply switching over to Newgroups.
But hey, maybe you don't want to spend the money, or don't want to hand over your credit card to companies you've never heard of (and lets be honest, free Newsgroups access sucks). Great, BT is a great alternative that is truly free, if used right. This probably doesn't categorize the large majority of FST users, but if you don't ratio whore with seedboxes, don't constantly "kiss ass" and "participate" on various forums to gain favour/hunt for rare invites, don't trade invites, and only join lower stress, less "leet" trackers like TL and TVT that are just as capable quality wise but far less stressful in maintaining a ratio, Bit torrent can be a great, free means of filesharing that's far less of a time sink than it's made out to be. But that comes with a big if.
What kind of files are you talking about/where are you looking? I have never experienced wait times over a matter of minutes compared to torrent sites, let alone days. Supersearch should be even faster, although I personally haven't used it very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
Given that you're downloading a 35-45GB file that most likely won't have a large number of seeders due to the limited interest in downloading and sustaining such a large file, you're much more likely to get consistent, faster speeds on a news server that can easily max any connection. In addition to that, you're stuck with seeding a whopping 40 gigabyte file for weeks to even have a chance of keeping your ratio (unless you're using a seedbox, which judging by your signature you are, but at that point you're already wasting far more time managing your seedbox and downloading files off the FTP, not to mention seedboxes are far more expensive than newsgroups will ever be). And with ever advancing technology, especially the recent release of Sandy Bridge, extraction times are becoming less and less noticeable every day, not to mention it's being handled in the background by a program without any effort on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerMaFrOsT
(And frost, in your previous post, you use cost as justification for how BT is better than usenet, but you admit to using a dedicated gigabit server? There has to be some irony in that).
Also, if any one had the endurance to read through this entire post from a batshit crazy guy like myself, you deserve a fucking prize.
Rart, I totally agree with you. Usenet lacks community, so bittorent trackers > usenet for me.
Oddly, that same community you talk about, is the same that draws many people away from torrenting.
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Originally Posted by OlegL
I hear that everyone is nice at HDbits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Everyone but me, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787I hear that everyone is nice at HDbits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
In australia usenet is offered for free as part of the service from some of the bigger ISPS, now 95% of everything comes from usenet for me, i don't miss the BT drama and the so called community, if BT rolled over tomorrow i wouldn't miss it.
So true. I think the guys requesting FTN would beg to differ, however...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Well as I mentioned, community in a different sense. Certainly not "community" in the conventional sense that has turned so many away from BT first place.
Unless of course, you guys are purely responding to OlegL, who seems to have missed a major point of my post.
I also want to reiterate that while I certainly now use newgroups more often than Bittorrent, the fact that Cabalo has already comprehensively mentioned all the benefits of usenet and that these threads seem to skew heavily towards the newsgroup fans on these forums, I thought it'd be nice to provide a little perspective on what ways BT is still superior to newgroups and how it can still be a very viable option, despite its many shortcomings.
I guess you meant a community in the sense that they care about the content they provide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rart
I think you need to look up the definition of community in a dictionary.
Anyway without having been part of every tracker in existence , I honestly don't believe such an animal exists .