How come the United States of America is not banned from any private tracker?

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Originally Posted by jameze

get a life retard

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

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Originally Posted by maddoxro

As for the internet speed,most of romanian users have 100 Mbps bandwith, that speed with other romanians ...

PS: If want, ignore what i said, and look and this ranking, or search on google ranking for countries with best internet speeds ;)

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Agreed, but considered the fact many of those .ro speed tests have been made to servers on the same country?

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It's not anymore like 4-5 years ago when 100 Mbps was available only with peers from Romania, and with the rest of the world the connection was 10 Mbps.

These days, the most basic connection has 50 Mbps with the rest of the world, and 100 Mbps with romanian peers. And you pay 10 euro / 13 dollars for it.
And arround 16 euro / 20 dollars for the full 100 Mbps worldwide

Like i said, never was the internet speed a reason to ban Romania, like some trackers said like: we banned .ro users because they have shitty peering with the rest of the world, and 100 Mbps with them. Since the first private trackers, arround 2004 if i am not wrong, romanians had one of the best internet speeds from the world.
But, where they not exced, are donations to trackers. And who could blame them... And when you have those internet speeds, you don't have to pay for gb upload for example.

If they have those types of speed why do most (i am not saying all) cheat? (thats why we ban ro from signing up, its got nothing to do with their internet connections being garbage or not).

PS: its got sod all to do with donations like i said in my previous post, we get lots of donations from members from Brazil, but we still ban them from signing up, because the vast majority cheat/trade/sell.

and this isnt the reason we dont ban USA and i have just looked at this, but this is an eye opener

Visitors by Country for Blackcats-games.net

United States 25.1%
Mexico 11.0%
India 7.7%
Russia 6.4%
China 6.0%
United Kingdom 4.8%
Canada 4.5%
Sweden 3.7%
Germany 2.8%
Chile 2.3%

If we banned the USA we would loose most of the members so about 11,000 members would just go poof!!!

Even if those members from USA do something wrong like cheat/sell/trade nothing will happen why? because all trackers need 'em and need donations that coming from 'em, nothing special we talking about needs then immunity :).

before we banned countries romania included but first it was Brazil, we would open up, lets say we got in 3,000 new members (we were getting in 6,000-8,000 a day at our peak) 75% would be from Brazil, and most of those would not be very good users (trade/sell/cheat/lots of dupes). the amount of complaints i have had from the staff over the years and pleading for me to ban them is silly, thats how bad it was, even a staff member that lived in Brazil pleaded with me to ban the country from signing up, thats how bad it was.

Now lets say we ban everyone but the USA and UK, 75% USA would get in 25% UK would get in, but we may get 50-100 members all told from those countries (out of 3000 total), cheating/trading/selling/dupes etc etc.

No one is saying that the USA/UK doesnt have bad members, of course they do, its just the % is a hell of a lot less than some other countries (Brazil/Romania/Egypt/Israel) to name 4.

and like i said we probably get more donations % wise off members from Brazil than we do from the USA.

Here's a theory.

Let us assume first of all, as I am too lazy to look for supporting numbers to reference, (but still I think a safe assumption), that the vast majority of commercially available media is produced in America.

It is no secret that US media companies cater to American interests, in so far as that is the economic demographic that hollywood and murdoch media aim their products to. So, we can also assume that the vast majority of the easily reproduced media will be of American interest.

Let us now frame that with the fact that the US has a, per capita, much wider ability to afford/access the internet. Combined with the fact that the US has the longest history with integrating their internet into their life, and we start to see a pattern.

Attachment 64889 (from: http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm )

Now if we throw in some more localized factors like the growing gap between the lower class and the upper class in America, the lower income majority having grown discontent with paying on a price structure that is aimed at a rapidly dying middle class, we get a majority who would rather get their media for free than pay those ridiculous prices that can mean alot of difference in quality of living.

So, the eventual outcome of granting all these factors leads me to postulate that, while Romania has orsum speeds and stuff, the amount of traffic coming from there still pales in comparison to the amount of traffic coming from the USA, and in my opinion, as well as demonstrated by the stats stoi posted, leads me to decide that the VAST majority of torrenters are american, which brings us to the self-destructiveness of banning the US from most trackers, not including foreign language, and foreign content trackers.

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Originally Posted by stoi

before we banned countries romania included but first it was Brazil, we would open up, lets say we got in 3,000 new members (we were getting in 6,000-8,000 a day at our peak) 75% would be from Brazil, and most of those would not be very good users (trade/sell/cheat/lots of dupes)...

No one is saying that the USA/UK doesnt have bad members, of course they do, its just the % is a hell of a lot less than some other countries (Brazil/Romania/Egypt/Israel) to name 4...

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I've seen this general subject, that of banning countries from trackers, discussed on a variety of BT-related forums and private trackers; and the primary reason given by tracker staff has always been the exorbitantly high percentage of bad users to good ones from the banned country. The problems caused by these bad users are what drive the staff to take drastic actions such as a blanket ban on a country.

All these other speculative theories, especially the ones from people upset with the recent or past bans, are just that: speculation. They sound more like venting or poorly concealed gibes than reasons based on facts.

And to answer the OP: We seed our shit and follow the rules, that's why.

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Originally Posted by Radon0r

We seed our shit and follow the rules, that's why.

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Just like the Geneva Convention.

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Originally Posted by maddoxro

Thant's not the ''true''. The only thing that matter it's that the people from USA donate a lot. And this why it's not banned on trackers.

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You are a fucktard and obviously haven't read the whole thread...Or you are simply a hater. Either way you are an asshat, imo.

Being that I am American I take stupid ass comments like that personally.

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Originally Posted by bumrocks

You are a fucktard and [...] you are an asshat, imo.

Being that I am American I take stupid ass comments like that personally.

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Remembering one of your recent threads I would say it takes one to know one. But being that I am a romanian like the person whose comment you quoted above, I don't take stupid ass comments like that personally.

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Originally Posted by The Wanderer

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Originally Posted by bumrocks

You are a fucktard and [...] you are an asshat, imo.

Being that I am American I take stupid ass comments like that personally.

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Remembering one of your recent threads I would say it takes one to know one. But being that I am a romanian like the person whose comment you quoted above, I don't take stupid ass comments like that personally.

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Oh, I will admit to moments of stupidity. I am not immune. Maybe a better word for me to use or at least the meaning I was trying to convey is maddoxro's comments were completely ignorant in nature. My comments, have nothing to do with where he is from, either.

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Originally Posted by Anarkial

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Originally Posted by Radon0r

We seed our shit and follow the rules, that's why.

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Just like the Geneva Convention.

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Yes ,yes they do.

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Radon0r as I think Anarkial attempted to point out blanket statements are ignorant at best and dangerous at worst .

Also, wikileaks notwithstanding, any pictures stories etc. you find published are a tiny fraction of what actually goes on. Wikileaks also = drop in the bucket considering clearance levels. And Guantamo Bay is also a drop in the bucket - it has just helped to catch the public eye (but you'd be surprised at the amount of domestic illegalities going on).

But back on topic: I think this question has been sufficiently answered now, by siteops and otherwise. It was a stupid question to start with, although we got some surprisingly good answers. Perhaps a better question would be, "Why are countries usually banned from private trackers?" which was also answered.

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Originally Posted by bumrocks

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Originally Posted by maddoxro

Thant's not the ''true''. The only thing that matter it's that the people from USA donate a lot. And this why it's not banned on trackers.

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You are a fucktard and obviously haven't read the whole thread...Or you are simply a hater. Either way you are an asshat, imo.

Being that I am American I take stupid ass comments like that personally.

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You my friend are an idiot.
There is not a single line there in my post insulting or bashing the people from USA. In fact, if you would have read maybe just the title for this thread you would have understood my reply.
What you take '' personally '' ? The fact that people from USA donate a lot to trackers because they have shitty connections ? Then you really need to get out more often. And when i say OUT, i don't mean to clubs or disco, i mean OUT OF THE HOUSE. it's obvious that you are speeding waaaaay too much time on a pc, 'cause you take ''personally'' a post from someone who say some facts about the internet connection from 2 countries, and you act like i've just f0cked your mother =)))

like i said: open the door and make a few steps. take a breath of fresh air. You will see / feel the difference :)

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

...Radon0r as I think Anarkial attempted to point out blanket statements are ignorant at best and dangerous at worst .

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Especially when taken out of context, or applied to a context they were never meant for. On that point we agree.

For example:

http://www.fdungan.com/map1.jpg

Our prisons are packed like sardines in this country. Except those aren't sardines but Americans (well the majority of them probably) that have clearly broken the rules of the land and been caught. What was I thinking when I made my earlier post? Didn't it apply to every possible situation imaginable?

Hint: Nope.

Except the point about the blanket statement still applies, especially when you consider you don't really know how many of a trackers members are Americans and you can't really tell how many Americans cheat.

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Originally Posted by maddoxro

The only thing that matter it's that the people from USA donate a lot. And this why it's not banned on trackers.

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I am still trying to find the "fact" in that...Or how American donations are remotely connected to their speeds. It may be fact that we donate alot, but I fail to see why it is the factual reason why we are not banned as a country. Your statements are still ignorant. Add to the fact that I can only think of a few trackers that actually give you GBs for donations or even immunity for having shitty speeds by donating is ignorant. I live in America. Have disposable income. Have a good connection. Need no buffer. And I donate. All of this has nothing to do with being American though...

I am a single father of a 3 year old and am pretty certain I spend more time out of the house than most. And that does not include a club or "disco". You might also know that by my last post that I started I take very little seriously...Particularly when it comes to the Internet.

What I take personally is comments generalizing Americans and saying stupid shit like we are not banned cause we donate. I make no apologies, that is retarded. If I was Romanian I would take it somewhat personally when and if I was lumped in with cheaters and traders. Therefore, I would expect more from a Romanian when it came to generalizing a nation as you deal with it on a regular basis on the webz.

This has turned into a political thread that has little to do with why some countries are banned from trackers. You can't just ban a country because you don't like their government. This was a dumb idea for a thread, considering who started it I'm not suprised, and it has now derailed into a bunch of meaningless mudslinging and personal insults.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

This has turned into a political thread that has little to do with why some countries are banned from trackers. You can't just ban a country because you don't like their government. This was a dumb idea for a thread, considering who started it I'm not suprised, and it has now derailed into a bunch of meaningless mudslinging and personal insults.

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It's a pretty good parallel to real life isn't it? The truth is, I actually think this is a very important subject, not the US specifically, but country bans in general, due to that parallel to real life. Personally, I cannot abide such decisions, and do not use trackers that ban other countries.(that admit it at least) I can see the arguments for that decision, but I do not agree with the estimation that a large number of foreign users are bad users. I said it in another thread, and I'll repeat it here, but the primary problem with countries that get banned is how their internet is set up. NOT cultural shittiness as some would like to argue.

I would defy anyone who is staff to PROVE beyond any doubt that even a large minority of foreign members are bad users, with something OTHER than a list of ip addresses. I explained how that problem occurs, and anyone can look it up(dynamic ip pools(and I can throw forced proxies in there too, again drawn from a limited pool)). Lets look at the instance of "Dave" from a trade/sell forum, a guy who has proven over and over to be an unscrupulous individual, and I have seen him use upwards of 200 different ip addresses. He has wrought havoc in his BT history, and resulted in a lot of accounts at different sites getting banned. He probably got banned from PtN somewhere in the order of 25 or 30 times, PtN's own Jdye, if you will.

Where would you guess he's from? Australia. Do sites the world over ban Australia? They have shitty speeds, shitty distribution of ip addresses, forced proxies, and an aggressive attitude. Yet I know of not a single site that has ever considered banning them as a nation. The only difference between them and the countries that do get banned is the stability of the nation. Stable nations are much better at enforcing laws, so the staff have less to do when dealing with stable nations. Nation building is not an overnight process, and that is the truth.

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

Lets look at the instance of "Dave" from a trade/sell forum, a guy who has proven over and over to be an unscrupulous individual, and I have seen him use upwards of 200 different ip addresses. He has wrought havoc in his BT history, and resulted in a lot of accounts at different sites getting banned. He probably got banned from PtN somewhere in the order of 25 or 30 times, PtN's own Jdye, if you will.

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Aye I guess I might saw the nick somewhere else very recently.. :P

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Originally Posted by gamesover

This has turned into a political thread that has little to do with why some countries are banned from trackers. You can't just ban a country because you don't like their government. This was a dumb idea for a thread, considering who started it I'm not suprised, and it has now derailed into a bunch of meaningless mudslinging and personal insults.

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It hasn't turned into a political thread it's inherently political.

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You can't just ban a country because you don't like their government.

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Whether it's stupid is another matter entirely .
Btw I think the thread topic is meant to be "stupid"( outrageous )as to illustrate the OP's perception that the wholesale banning of countries isn't just.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

You can't just ban a country because you don't like their government.

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As of October, 2007, the United States has sanctions against:[2]

• Countries:
  
  • China, no arms-related exports, since 1989 (see Sino-American relations)
  • Colombia, no drug-related exports, since 1972 (see Colombia-United States relations)
  • Côte d'Ivoire/Ivory Coast, since 1986 (see Côte d'Ivoire – United States relations)
  • Cuba, since 1962 (see United States embargo against Cuba)
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo, since 1998 (see Democratic Republic of the Congo – United States relations)
  • Iran, since 1979 (see Sanctions against Iran)
  • Republic of the Congo (see Republic of the Congo-United States relations)
  • Somalia, since 1990 (supplies arms to the Transitional Federal Government, but no general trade. See Somalia-United States relations)
  • Myanmar, since 1997 (see Burma – United States relations)
  • North Korea, since 1950 (see North Korea – United States relations)
  • Sudan, since 2002 (see Sudan – United States relations)
  • Syria, since 1986 (see Syria – United States relations)
  • Venezuela, no defense article exports since 2006 (see United States – Venezuela relations)
  • Zimbabwe, since 2008 (leadership and humanitarian aid, but not general trade; see United States – Zimbabwe relations)
  
  

• Persons:
  
  • President Alexander Lukashenko and other officials in the government of Belarus
  • Indonesia Palm Oil (Deforestation)[citation needed]
  • The Taylor administration in Liberia, which left office in 2003
  • Certain "Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization" in the Former Yugoslavia
  
  

There are also list-based sanctions related to terrorism, diamond trading, narcotics, nuclear proliferation, and the sovereignty of Lebanon.[citation needed]
Some countries listed are members of the World Trade Organization, but WTO rules allow trade restrictions for non-economic purposes.
Recent countries which were removed from the list were Iraq (removed 2005) and Libya (removed 2003).

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members from the philipines PDLT ISP are having loads of problems with our tracker, its not us its their ISP, and they are not banned and can still join, so for BCG its got nothing to do with crappy internet connections/backbones, its basically the majority of crappy users from those countries. (again not everyone is crappy, just the vast majority that come into BCG are). and thats the truth.

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Originally Posted by stoi

members from the philipines PDLT ISP are having loads of problems with our tracker, its not us its their ISP, and they are not banned and can still join, so for BCG its got nothing to do with crappy internet connections/backbones, its basically the majority of crappy users from those countries. (again not everyone is crappy, just the vast majority that come into BCG are). and thats the truth.

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stoi, you can not compare every tracker with bcg all the time, as bcg is complete different. So, the problems you face while running bcg is also somewhat different from the problems what other sites face. And yes the 'crappy' ISPs creates lots of problem but you also have to remember that some users use their isp only to browse through the site, and they do all their leeching/seeding through seedbox thanks to the very low proce of them now-a-days. So, does it really cause any problem to anyone?? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by bijoy

And yes the 'crappy' ISPs creates lots of problem but you also have to remember that some users use their isp only to browse through the site, and they do all their leeching/seeding through seedbox thanks to the very low proce of them now-a-days. So, does it really cause any problem to anyone?? :unsure:

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Cool, now what about those who aren't among "some users"?

why am i getting the crap here, everyone that has made assumptions have been lumping all trackers together and stating its FACT/THE TRUTH, when it bloody well isnt, and one of those was even a bloody staff member who should know bloody better.

and is that the answer then, you have crap connection, get a seedbox to survive, ffs heard everything now, BT is going to the fucking dogs with the members and some staff in it. what happened to just sharing and abiding by the rules, now its NOW NOW NOW, RATIO, RATIO RATIO, break as many rules as we can crap. (they are breaking the law so we will break their rules, its only fair, bollocks).

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Originally Posted by stoi

why am i getting the crap here,

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Cuz you are one of the only staffers with the nuts to address the issue in public.

because that would leave the trackers with %99.99 less content.

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Originally Posted by stoi

why am i getting the crap here, everyone that has made assumptions have been lumping all trackers together and stating its FACT/THE TRUTH, when it bloody well isnt, and one of those was even a bloody staff member who should know bloody better.

and is that the answer then, you have crap connection, get a seedbox to survive, ffs heard everything now, BT is going to the fucking dogs with the members and some staff in it. what happened to just sharing and abiding by the rules, now its NOW NOW NOW, RATIO, RATIO RATIO, break as many rules as we can crap. (they are breaking the law so we will break their rules, its only fair, bollocks).

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My respect for BCG just jumped tenfold.

And what Intr4ns1t said.

I also thank stoi, since everything he has said has been the closest to the fact that I have seen and helps make my point in the side-argument I have rolling. Intr4ns1t already knows how I feel about him and his opinions ;)

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Originally Posted by bumrocks

I also thank stoi, since everything he has said has been the closest to the fact that I have seen and helps make my point in the side-argument I have rolling. Intr4ns1t already knows how I feel about him and his opinions ;)

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

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Originally Posted by stoi

why am i getting the crap here,

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Cuz you are one of the only staffers with the nuts to address the issue in public.

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The world 'public' have a huge meaning in real world, but not here. It means nothing when you use it here. And 'the issue' <-- is there anything better than political issue?

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

Cool, now what about those who aren't among "some users"?

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Simple. They can use my tips for 'other users' in Tips for New BT users thread. :01:

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Originally Posted by bumrocks

I also thank stoi, since everything he has said has been the closest to the fact that I have seen and helps make my point in the side-argument I have rolling. Intr4ns1t already knows how I feel about him and his opinions ;)

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Here goes another one.. :fst:

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Simple. They can use my tips for 'other users' in Tips for New BT users thread. :01:

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Which one of them can solve connectivity problems caused by a crappy ISP?

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Originally Posted by anon-sbi

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Originally Posted by bijoy

Simple. They can use my tips for 'other users' in Tips for New BT users thread. :01:

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Which one of them can solve connectivity problems caused by a crappy ISP?

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u could create ur own "tips for new bt users" thread u know,competition is good :yup:

I posted on the one bijoy's referred to. There were a lot of useful tips for BT beginners indeed there, so I thought I'd say something useful too, for a change.

the reason Americans are not banned is simple because they are using a language that the majority of the world understands its called English, it is simple as that, can you imagine if the Americans switched the TV shows in Romanian tomorrow ? or some other less known language ? you can assume well administrators will block em all because we don't understand you without subtitles.

You're using an approximation of English and I'm having trouble understanding you.:unsure:

because 90% of the users in every tracker are from the USA...

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Originally Posted by TrustedGuy

because 90% of the users in every tracker are from the USA...

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Even on local trackers? :eyebrows:

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Originally Posted by mysoogals

the reason Americans are not banned is simple because they are using a language that the majority of the world understands its called English, it is simple as that, can you imagine if the Americans switched the TV shows in Romanian tomorrow ? or some other less known language ? you can assume well administrators will block em all because we don't understand you without subtitles.

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That is such a Crappy xplanation and is just PURE ARROGANCE,.....has NOTHING to do with English,some of the Best Trackers I found is in European countries like Romania,Hungary.

Maybe,most of the Ratio Cheaters are NOT from U.S ....that could be a "possibility",perhaps.