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SOPA is God's will, we'll see if the great Christians that run the country will win God's favor and vote in the way of control over logic.

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Actually, that would be the will of your God, not mine. Sounds like to me you're not ready for what you've helped to create, knowingly or unknowingly makes no difference. Either way, you better go bake for another talk with your master to find out what's really going on because it doesn't sound like you're prepared or knowledgeable enough about it. Then again, you could just watch more TV and soak it all up!

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SOPA is God's will, we'll see if the great Christians that run the country will win God's favor and vote in the way of control over logic.

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Actually, that would be the will of your God, not mine.

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Oh, Satan is just sort of like my boss. We don't believe in gods, that would be sort of loopy.

What I do know, is that believing in a god goes hand in hand with believing in an absolute morality. SOPA would be a demonstration of enforcing the will of absolute morality. If you'd like to debate this, know your opponent first.

I'm surprised noone has "created" a dupe account called Satan yet.

Edit: ah, this explains it: http://filesharingtalk.com/members/54-Satan

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

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Originally Posted by greghar

Actually, that would be the will of your God, not mine.

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Oh, Satan is just sort of like my boss. We don't believe in gods, that would be sort of loopy.

What I do know, is that believing in a god goes hand in hand with believing in an absolute morality. SOPA would be a demonstration of enforcing the will of absolute morality. If you'd like to debate this, know your opponent first.

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Not unusual as sounds good but not even close.

SOPA has little to do with enforcing ABSOLUTE morality; only pertains to enforcing the desires of the Elite establishment (so if any, lack of morals would fit best). Banning, victimizing, imprisonment, or worse by those in control over the populace by limiting their ability to share and spread information or obstruct their communications.

Also, wrong about your belief in God. True that everything encompasses morality, absolute has little to do with it, nor which God you choose or not even choosing God. However by not choosing God, those make that choice based solely on their desire for lack of morals and otherwise, they must answer to a higher power who has ultimate control. Unfortunately for those same individuals by choosing atheist or agnostic, they still choose a religion. However that religion is that of satan and not of God. Again, I will ask you your same question, are you sure you want to have this debate? I know my enemy inside and out, but do you know your enemy?

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Not unusual as sounds good but not even close.

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Pick a grammar and stick with it.

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Originally Posted by greghar

SOPA has little to do with enforcing ABSOLUTE morality; only pertains to enforcing the desires of the Elite establishment (so if any, lack of morals would fit best). Banning, victimizing, imprisonment, or worse by those in control over the populace by limiting their ability to share and spread information or obstruct their communications.

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So I can see you are confused about the difference between absolute and relative morality. To clarify this for you, I will refer to the person breaking the moral code as "the offender". The key difference is that with relative morality, context is critical. The information available to the offender, the intentions of the offender, the cultural environment of the offender, etc., are all examined to determine whether the offender behaved immorally. Absolute morality is that in which there is absolutely no flexibility in its interpretation, and with it, degraded intellectual merit.

A classic example is one in which a woman aborts a rape impregnation; it's a relatively moral action, but defies Christians' absolute moral code.

When copyright infringement is left to the interpretation of the law by judges/peers through trial, there is room for relative evaluation. When you hand these tools (as could be used through the implementation of SOPA & PIPA) to the copyright holders, you allow them to express absolute judgment. An example of this is the ContentID system implemented in Youtube. The initial action is absolute, whereas the follow-up dispute is relative.

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Originally Posted by greghar

Also, wrong about your belief in God. True that everything encompasses morality, absolute has little to do with it, nor which God you choose or not even choosing God. However by not choosing God, those make that choice based solely on their desire for lack of morals and otherwise, they must answer to a higher power who has ultimate control. Unfortunately for those same individuals by choosing atheist or agnostic, they still choose a religion. However that religion is that of satan and not of God. Again, I will ask you your same question, are you sure you want to have this debate? I know my enemy inside and out, but do you know your enemy?

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And this is hilarious. I think I may have done some damage by pretending to follow Satan; therefore, I will attempt to mend the broken knowledge I've imparted since the disregard of the naivete of Christians is something for which I think I am accountable.

First, there is a key difference between atheists and agnostics. Agnostics neither believe in god's/gods' existence or its/their absence. In a way, the state of spiritual entities resembles the living/dead state of Schrodinger's cat. They are a sort of superposition, where the agnostic doesn't feel they have enough information to aver one or the other. An atheist simply does not believe in their existence whatsoever. In this sense, atheism is not a dogma, much in the same way not believing in Santa (a Satan anagram) or the tooth fairy does not warrant a dogma.

On to the funniest part of your post. You think atheists follow Satan? Like I said, it might have been my fault for toying with you. However, to believe in Satan is to believe in the existence of a supernatural being, and that would disqualify one from being atheist since Satan exists in duality with the Christian God.

So in closing, I would love to continue this, it delights me that you have taken the bait. Care to continue?

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

... blah blah blah ... I am so smart ... blah blah blah ... there is no god and I can prove it because I know everything in the whole world ... blah blah bla...

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Regardless of who is doing it, it is stealing if it is copy-righted material, so I will not broach that topic.

I like the atheists’ conversation better. I always find it troubling when seeing an atheist stand there and proclaim "there is no god"; what research he has done is my favorite part. This is their answer:

"Well... so and so (brilliant researcher X and intelligent researcher Y) have both written these books, and a friend of mine who read a couple of quotes from those books explained the "facts" to me, so now I am ready to battle any Christian that believes in God and I am right and he/she is wrong."

Honestly mjmacky, what have you studied and/or researched on your own to prove that without a single doubt (that means 100%, that means you know everything) that there is in fact, no god, no creator, no supreme being? Amazing that you can sit there with your claims and flaunt your pride and mock others for their beliefs and actions when in their boldness (whether their actions are right or not) they innocently come looking for help.

Also amusing that non-Christians always like to accuse Christians of being so quick to judge and point their fingers at others, you see my point?

Atheists have zero proof to support their claims that there is no God, they have nothing. What they do have are this, people like Alister McGrath who wrote books supporting atheism only to find out that in his research he learned of the true God. But, than what does a Cambridge University professor really know anyways, right? Surely you have a degree that trumps his.

Or Lee Strobel, who was an atheist whose wife became a Christian. In his journey to get his wife back and prove there was no such thing as a God, he found Christ, and he became a Christian. Perhaps his Master of Studies in Law degree from Yale or his Journalism degree gave him more access to researching the facts than most atheists but that should hardly be used as an excuse, remember in the end it won't be people like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett standing up and proclaiming that it is their fault you believed there was no God, they will be under distress for their own actions and will be of no help to their many followers.

Point in fact, if you are going to believe something, anything, you should do some research for yourself. I am not talking about reading what one guy says and calling it good. I have seen both Christians and non go around asking for advice from person after person until he/she finally comes to the person who says what they want to hear, that will get you no where. At least study, put some time into it, not a few Google searches, devote yourself to learning the truth, you don't need to earn a theological degree or anything else, but once you have studied and came to a place where you can base your decision on what you learned, not what others have taught, then you will be able to have an actual ground to stand on.

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Originally Posted by waterMellons

blah blah mjmacky is so smart it irritates me blah blah

Regardless of who is doing it, it is stealing if it is copy-righted material, so I will not broach that topic.

I like the antiteethers' conversation better. I always find it troubling when seeing an antiteether stand there and proclaim "there is no tooth fairy"; what research he has done is my favorite part. This is their answer:

"Well... so and so (brilliant researcher X and intelligent researcher Y) have both written these books, and a friend of mine who read a couple of quotes from those books explained the "facts" to me, so now I am ready to battle any teether that believes in the tooth fairy and I am right and he/she is wrong."

Honestly mjmacky, what have you studied and/or researched on your own to prove that without a single doubt (that means 100%, that means you know everything) that there is in fact, no tooth fairy, no quarter creator, no supreme being? Amazing that you can sit there with your claims and flaunt your pride and mock others for their beliefs and actions when in their boldness (whether their actions are right or not) they innocently come looking for help.

Also amusing that non-teethers always like to accuse teethers of being so quick to judge and point their fingers at others, you see my point?

Antiteethers have zero proof to support their claims that there is no tooth fairy, they have nothing. What they do have are this, people like little Billy McAllister who wrote text messages supporting antiteethism only to find out that in his research he learned of the true tooth taker. But, than what does a Cambridge University professor's son really know anyways, right? Surely you have a degree that trumps his.

Or Johnny Strumken, who was an antiteether whose 2nd grade girlfriend became a teether. In his journey to get his girlfriend back and prove there was no such thing as the tooth fairy, he found the tooth taker, and he became a teether. Perhaps his dad's Master of Studies in Law degree from Yale or his Journalism degree gave him more access to researching the facts than most antiteether but that should hardly be used as an excuse, remember in the end it won't be people like Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett standing up and proclaiming that it is their fault you believed there was no tooth fairy, they will be under distress for their own actions and will be of no help to their many followers. (editorial note, certainly the British need to blame someone for what's going on dentally)

Point in fact, if you are going to believe something, anything, you should do some research for yourself. I am not talking about reading what one guy says and calling it good. I have seen both teethers and non go around asking for advice from person after person until he/she finally comes to the person who says what they want to hear, that will get you no where. At least study, put some time into it, not a few Google searches, devote yourself to learning the truth, you don't need to earn a toothilogical degree or anything else, but once you have studied and came to a place where you can base your decision on what you learned, not what others have taught, then you will be able to have an actual ground to stand on.

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Ooh looky, an apologetic, fully equipped with circular reasoning and testimonials. You actually try to make a point, think it's clever, but spin it too fast to reveal the perforations. Really, this one was easy, I replaced all the names and some scenarios in your post and it didn't alter the logical integrity in any meaningful way (only the perspective).

*Hint, that means read your post as I have quoted it. The tweaks are in italics bold as to not completely disrupt the flow.

What's funny here is that you have no idea how I arrived as an atheist. You make a blanket assumption, as you likely do with many others given your demonstration here, that atheism is an "adopted" ideology that comes from hearing one person make a sound argument. You forget that when Christianity has been drilled into you since your childhood, it's a tough cookie to shake, regardless of how illogical it seems. It's much easier to be a Christian with seldom minded doubts than it is fully acknowledge what just makes sense. Likewise, adopting a religion is easy, especially when you're an impressionable child, going through a tough time, about to die, etc. It's tougher in an American environment, they're fucking cuckoos here.

Here it is, a chronoreligograph of mjmacky:
I spent years 0-10 being a casual christian (word of mouth, church on holidays). Spent years 10-16 being a seriously devoted Christian (witnessing, JBQ championships, Royal Ranger Jr Commander, etc.). Spent years 16-18 still being a devoted Christian, but having doubts about my faith since I really loved having sex. Spent years 18-24 questioning what I've devoted my life to and explored philosophy and psychology more than anything as a source of understanding, eventually settling on agnosticism. Spent years 24-26 exploring atheism and what it really means (since the term had always frightened me). Spent years 26 to this day as an atheist (and borderline antitheist, but mostly for the past 2 years).

Sure, Richard Dawkins can be interesting with his views about religion causing harm, but not really one of my favorites on the subject. Colin McGinn, probably a top one on my list if I made one. I don't really think about atheism unless the topic comes up with someone who believes in an imaginary metaphysical being that created life as we know it.

So, you spent the first 16-18 years of your life as a christian? Devout or it was your parents/friends that prompted you to attend? So I wonder, in those years of you being a "devout Christian", were you ever made fun of, judged, or persecuted for your beliefs? After all, that is what happens to "devout" Christians. All in all, that ended when you decided that you loved sin more than God, is that correct? Then, you said that in your pursuit to justify your sinful lifestyle (your love for sex), you decided that it was better to do away with God, so you got rid of Him (in your life anyways). Finally, in your effort to keep yourself believing that God does not exist, you turned your non-belief into more of an hatred.

Am I correct in all of this, let me know if I am not.

Believe me when I say this, that you are not the first person to turn from God because of sin, nor will you be the last. If sin was not so inciting, it would be easy to turn down. Regardless of that MJ, one day, this God you don't believe in, you will find yourself kneeling in front of, and there will be no more debating, you will kneel there speechless with only the memories of all the attempts God made in your life to remind you of His truth and His plan for you. It is not to late for you MJ, God would not send people into your life if He no longer wanted a relationship with you.

I am certain that you and I could go back and forth on this issue, both presenting our cases on why what we view is correct, but I will not as that would be futile and I have my studies to get back to (Spanish is no easy language to learn, for me at least). So I will leave with the best thing I can tell you, that is, God loves you, I can say that with my heart and know it's true, God loves you MJ, and he sent His only son as living proof.

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Originally Posted by waterMellons

So, you spent the first 16-18 years of your life as a christian? Devout or it was your parents/friends that prompted you to attend? So I wonder, in those years of you being a "devout Christian", were you ever made fun of, judged, or persecuted for your beliefs? After all, that is what happens to "devout" Christians. All in all, that ended when you decided that you loved sin more than God, is that correct? Then, you said that in your pursuit to justify your sinful lifestyle (your love for sex), you decided that it was better to do away with God, so you got rid of Him (in your life anyways). Finally, in your effort to keep yourself believing that God does not exist, you turned your non-belief into more of an hatred.

Am I correct in all of this, let me know if I am not.

Believe me when I say this, that you are not the first person to turn from God because of sin, nor will you be the last. If sin was not so inciting, it would be easy to turn down. Regardless of that MJ, one day, this God you don't believe in, you will find yourself kneeling in front of, and there will be no more debating, you will kneel there speechless with only the memories of all the attempts God made in your life to remind you of His truth and His plan for you. It is not to late for you MJ, God would not send people into your life if He no longer wanted a relationship with you.

I am certain that you and I could go back and forth on this issue, both presenting our cases on why what we view is correct, but I will not as that would be futile and I have my studies to get back to (Spanish is no easy language to learn, for me at least). So I will leave with the best thing I can tell you, that is, God loves you, I can say that with my heart and know it's true, God loves you MJ, and he sent His only son as living proof.

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Forced, no; persecuted, no; judged, no. It was quite the opposite, it's encouraged, respected, and expected that you believe in God here. In the U.S., these believer types are the majority.

Premarital sex just happened to be the first major "sin" I happened to come across that made a personal connection to me; otherwise interpreted as igniting my interest in the difference between absolute and relative morality. It was the first "sin" I consciously committed where I couldn't exactly see how it was inherently evil or wrong. Naturally, that caused a snowball effect allowing me to notice other "sins" I have either committed or withheld from committing that I couldn't justifiably argue why it's wrong without saying "because God says so".

In my case, sin was "inciting"; however, in context it was clear you meant to say "enticing". I guess English isn't an easy language either, eh? That would be an example of you getting something correct for absolutely all the wrong reasons, it was beautiful. You are my nutter now, I won't let anyone else have you.

I'll tell you one thing, if there hypothetically was a god, that fucker must love me. I've got a sharp mind, a handsome face, a cool-not-gay beard, a multitude of talents, and just enough conflict to keep life interesting. Thanks for reminding me to pause a moment and take in how wonderful I am. I sometimes forget to do that. Why did he give you such a raw deal?

mjmacky...

Funny, you remind me of the old college professor who thinks he has all the answers and believes he's of superior intelligence due to a proficiency in the written and/or verbal linguistics providing him with a perverted delusion of self-proclaimed persuasion over the masses. Similar to that one finds in today's politicians. In fact, you may have over the normal brainwashed, hypnotic puppet/slaves found in society. However, Jesus points out in the Bible that in these modern times he would make those of intellect and wise even more foolish (probably due to their personal ego trips) and expose then further for the fools they are.

Likewise, given your highly self-regarded intellect you should have chosen your words more carefully before using superlatives of "absolute morality" in your previous statement. However due to your later elaboration on the context, I will forgo any further explanation on its meaning or stressing its faults within said context. However I will state for someone of your vast linguistic knowledge, you should be more attune to the meanings and drawbacks behind using such words as "absolutes" in descriptions.

Additionally, you make many assumptions about others with complete disregard to substance or other valid information before casting judgement on circumstance. Your mere condescending nature or demeaning tone of your remarks show little towards the understanding of the individuals you attempt to achieve dominion over while stressing the need of superiority to satisfy your own ego and justify your presence among peers.

Similarly, you've completely addressed your need to appear important but fail to comprehend what your actions reveal about your nature not just toward others, but in regards to your inner thoughts and feelings about yourself. From your statements to waterMellons, this appears to directly relate to your falling away as a Christian. Did you know, over 80% of all Christian kids who enter college loose their faith by time they graduate?

You're not the first nor the last. Nor does that make you special regardless of that oozing charisma. Truthfully, what it does show is your inability to apply that intellect in search of truth rather than giving into the brainwashing affects of the mis-educational system and peer pressures. It doesn't matter if you're a sex addict or a drug pusher. What does matter is that you caved in and gave up on yourself in order to gain the sense of belonging in today's society.

In all actuality within modern society, being Christian is far from easy for many parishioners. For some, finding God can be very difficult and remaining with him even harder. Look at yourself for the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Also not to burst that giant ego, Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is the Word of God. All other religions are just that religions. All created as a religious device of satan by MAN to fool and deceive the people. This includes atheism and agnosticism as well. Yes, I know the difference between the two although you seemed to get quite an uplift believing your untruths about yourself, others and society.

I also know that you are not able to comprehend that statement, so let me enlighten you. Lost in all your arrogance, you fail to realize virtually everything you believe or desire is based on untruths due to your ever-changing worldview and misshaped or warped sense of self-imposed personal reality. The mis-educational system furthered this response while fostering this inner hatred you've created regarding Christians. I'm willing to bet Christianity posts are the only ones which you seek to expel this hatred, not posts on Islam, pagan worship, witchcraft, or any other false religions. Only Christians, am I right?

Now back onto the subject matter. How am I going to enlighten you? Hmm, feeling good about yourself? Well, hold on because it gets interesting. Guess I'll begin with science and debunk that false education you highly value. First, let's start with the basics and prove that Darwin's Evolution is a fraud. Everything I'm about to list IS scientifically proven but highly silenced by the controlling Elite and their scientific guru's. Nonetheless, all proven and accepted within the scientific community or establishment. Although teachers and College professors get fired for providing this information to their students. Maybe that's why you're not familiar with truth?

1.) Big Bang? IMPOSSIBLE- scientifically PROVEN something CANNOT come from nothing! Matter or information can only be passed on and not created from nothing. Also means info. cannot be added to without it already created then passed on at up to 100% of host material but no higher.
2.) Mutations only pass on lesser amounts of information causing Deformities or Lesser Beings. The complexity of DNA proves it cannot evolve on its own, especially from a lesser source of information.
3.) Chaos Theory is HOAX taken directly from Satanic Bible - look it up! It's PROVEN impossible to create order from chaos. Actually, you should take note here of and use that as a guide to what or who you've learned all this knowledge of yours from!
4.) Likewise, the Laws of Science & Nature prove it's IMPOSSIBLE to create something from nothing. Human Conscience CANNOT come from nothing but only from something of equal or greater conscience. Hello... that alone means human conscience must of come from another source of equal or higher conscience level (meaning GOD!)
5.) Global Flood PROVEN. Carbon Dating & time frames thought to create rock, gems, and fossils flawed & disproved.
6.) Darwin is a fraud backed by the pagan Catholic Church. Not only was he Catholic financially and vocally backed by the Catholic Church, his findings are DISPROVED!
7.) Last but not least, ATHIESM = RELIGION!!!

In due conscience, I am warning you everything I've listed above is not only proven but that I have well made documentaries from various trusted scholars in these fields of study that elaborate on this in much greater detail. (Hmm... maybe that's why they want to pass the SOPA laws???) Get over it & learn the truth!!! Use some of that intelligence to improve yourself and research this further on your own. It's your choice what you choose to do from here. However remember one thing...

God forgives and Jesus Saves! Ask for forgiveness and seek him out. I'm sure he'd love to have you back with his flock.

waterMellons. ...

My friend, you are misinformed or greatly deceived. When politicians decided to pass copyright infringement into law they defined and correlated it to stealing. Meaning, copyright is a political governing term made into law and created by those in control to maintain power over the masses. Copyright is a modern legal term to allow those of authority the ability to maintain control, influence and revenue streams over the populace at the sacrifice of others. Copyright infringement is NOT stealing. It's a MAN MADE definition to subjugate the populace into believing they're committing Sin, when in fact, they are not. However by now, the public is use to the term and seldom fight against its meaning and manipulated into believing it rather than it's true nature of deceit.

For instance, where in the Bible does it say not to copyright infringe on another? It doesn't, but it does state thou shall not steal. Simply because lawmakers working for their corporate bosses pass laws which state or define an act to be of a certain nature does not truly mean that it is of that nature or properly reflects the action. What it does mean is it's against the law. At no time through history did the term copyright ever exist nor were people deemed thief's once they purchase legitimate goods or services. Throughout history, buyers of such goods and service could always resell or lend out anything they owned to whomever and whenever they desired. It's only in these modern evil times where copyright infringement took hold of an unsuspecting populace and forces them into believing an untruth in order for those in power to maintain control and generate additional revenues from their slaves.

For instance, look at the dollar bill. Most still think it's money and worth something. Well it's not and hasn't been since they removed the gold standard from it. Everyone's been passing around Monopoly Money ever since oblivious to the fact it's totally worthless paper. It's not even government money since the Federal Reserve and the Global Central banks are independently owned and operated. Heck, the United States isn't even a country anymore but a corporation. But that's a different topic for discussion.

Point being, simply because politicians under corporate influence decide to pass a law does not make it a SIN nor equate it to a Sinful act. People only equate copyright infringement as stealing because it was imposed under law to help the evil leaders have dominion over others by proclaiming it as such and Provide an Excuse for Punishment. However, feel free to make your own decision about this, I simply hope you choose to live by God's laws and rather not that of Man!

God Bless!


p.s. If anyone want to find out for themselves and learn about creation vs evolution, the Bible, religion, political agendas, and etc... I recommend downloading the POtHS torrents. They offer 100's of torrents on all sorts of subject matter related to the Bible and conspiracy nature in these modern prophetic times.

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However, Jesus points out in the Bible that in these modern times he would make those of intellect and wise [sic] even more foolish (probably due to their personal ego trips) and expose then [sic] further for the fools they are.

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That's a winning argument right there. Basically, you're saying the Jesus prefers his followers to be idiots... sold!

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Originally Posted by greghar

Likewise, given your highly self-regarded intellect you should have chosen your words more carefully before using superlatives of "absolute morality" in your previous statement. However due to your later elaboration on the context, I will forgo any further explanation on its meaning or stressing its faults within said context. However I will state for someone of your vast linguistic knowledge, you should be more attune to the meanings and drawbacks behind using such words as "absolutes" in descriptions.

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You are correct, I am more attune to the meaning of "absolute" in this context. It is not in fact a superlative, it simply means there is no reference point for comparison. I thought I learned you that already.

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Your mere condescending nature or demeaning tone of your remarks show [sic] little towards the understanding of the individuals you attempt to achieve dominion over while stressing the need of superiority to satisfy your own ego and justify your presence among peers.

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I don't consider you my peer.

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Did you know, over 80 percent of all Christian kids who enter college loose [sic] their faith by time they graduate?

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I'm sure you see that as a failing of higher education rather than an enlightened perspective on religion. I base that assumption on the exact texts you have used to describe your opinion of being a learned person.

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Truthfully, what it does show is your inability to apply that intellect in search of truth rather than giving into the brainwashing affects [sic] of the mis-educational system and peer pressures. It doesn't matter if you're a sex addict or a drug pusher. What does matter is that you caved in and gave up on yourself in order to gain the sense of belonging in today's society.

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:glag: Please demonstrate my will to comply with society's norms. Also, contrary to my youth, I no longer hunt women with my penis. I'd prefer it to happen as a situational convenience and temptation.

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Originally Posted by gleebglob

In all actuality within modern society, being Christian is far from easy for many parishioners. For some, finding God can be very difficult and remaining with him even harder. Look at yourself for the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Also not to burst that giant ego, Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is the Word of God. All other religions are just that religions. All created as a religious device of satan by MAN to fool and deceive the people. This includes atheism and agnosticism as well. Yes, I know the difference between the two although you seemed to get quite an uplift believing your untruths about yourself, others and society.

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You should probably familiarize yourself with the definition of religion, here I'll put it in a spoiler:

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re li gion
noun
Definition of RELIGION

1a - the state of a religious, a nun in her 20th year of religion
1b (1) - the service and worship of God or the supernatural
1b (2) - commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 - a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices

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I also know that you are not able to comprehend that statement, so let me enlighten you. Lost in all your arrogance, you fail to realize virtually everything you believe or desire is based on untruths due to your ever-changing worldview and misshaped or warped sense of self-imposed personal reality. The mis-educational system furthered this response while fostering this inner hatred you've created regarding Christians. I'm willing to bet Christianity posts are the only ones which you seek to expel this hatred, not posts on Islam, pagan worship, witchcraft, or any other false religions. Only Christians, am I right?

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No, you're not right. I'm equally discriminatory against all belief systems, I only have more opportunities to speak against the posts of Protestant Christians since the are more pervasive with their beliefs, an inherent flaw based on the concept of needing to witness. It's also humorous that you don't see the irony in how easy and matter-of-fact you will denounce any other religion besides your own, but feel it must be te work of Satan that anyone denounces your faith.

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Originally Posted by gharglered

Now back onto the subject matter. How am I going to enlighten you? Hmm, feeling good about yourself? Well, hold on because it gets interesting.
Guess I'll begin with science and debunk that false education you highly value.
First, lets start with the basics and prove that Darwin's Evolution is a fraud. Everything I'm about to list IS scientifically proven but highly silenced by the controlling Elite and their scientific guru's [sic]. Nonetheless, all proven and accepted within the scientific community or establishment. Although teachers and College professors get fired for providing this information to their students. Maybe that's why you're not familiar with truth?
1.) Big Bang? IMPOSSIBLE- scientifically PROVEN something CANNOT come from nothing! Matter or information can only be passed on and not created from nothing. Also means info. cannot be added to without it already created then passed on at up to 100 percent of host material but no higher.
2.) Mutations only pass on lesser amounts of information causing Deformities or Lesser Beings. The complexity of DNA proves it cannot evolve on its own, especially from a lesser source of information.
3.) Chaos Theory is HOAX taken directly from Satanic Bible - look it up! It's PROVEN impossible to create order from chaos. Actually, you should take note here of and use that as a guide to what or who you've learned all this knowledge of yours from!
4.) Likewise, the Laws of Science & Nature prove it's IMPOSSIBLE to create something from nothing. Human Conscience CANNOT come from nothing but only from something of equal or greater conscience. Hello... that alone means human conscience must of [sic] come from another source of equal or higher conscience level (meaning GOD!)
5.) Global Flood PROVEN. Carbon Dating & time frames thought to create rock, gems, and fossils flawed & disproved.
6.) Darwin is a fraud backed by the pagan Catholic Church. Not only was he Catholic financially and vocally backed by the Catholic Church, his findings are DISPROVED!
7.) Last but not least, ATHIESM [sic] = RELIGION!!!

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Certainly, it did get interesting. However, I'm getting a keen sensation that this is mostly a trolling comment. At its best, it would still fall short of a Kindergartener's demonstration of reason and an understanding o the laws of physics and biological and chemical processes. If you actually believe any of those things, your state of mental decay is more severe than I originally assumed. Someone would have to be raised on a commune with a Clockwork Orange style education in order to sincerely spew this. If I were naive enough to believe there could not exist someone so incredibly stupid, I would have resorted to only posting some sarcastic remark instead.

Also, atheism would be the opposite of religion, please refer to the definition of religion I have conveniently provided.

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In due conscience, I am warning you everything I've listed above is not only proven but that I have well made documentaries from various trusted scholars in these fields of study that elaborate on this in much greater detail. (Hmm... maybe that's why they want to pass the SOPA laws???) Get over it & learn the truth!!! Use some of that intelligence to improve yourself and research this further on your own.

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You need to make up your mind on "education" and scholarly discovery. You're on polar opposite ends of the spectrum with this one.

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However remember one thing...
God forgives and Jesus Saves! Ask for forgiveness and seek him out. I'm sure he'd love to have you back with his flock.

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I just want to state for the record that it was you, not I, who labeled your cult members as sheep.

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waterMellons. ...

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Simply put, the bible's main fault is that it does not foresee events in the future. Thus, there is no explicit decree on many of the newer age difficulties. Therefore, religious scholars attempt to extrapolate or interpolate the bible's stance on issues inconceivable to ancient peoples. With that, theft of intellectual property is still theft.

Most interesting about that, though, is that so much of the bible is plagiarized from earlier tales, both oral and recorded. That makes much of the bible an act of intellectual property theft in and of itself.

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Conclusion

You are really quite worked up over this. I'm not complaining, I found it all very entertaining. I almost ignored it based on the "too long; didn't read" principle, but it was so long that I was certain I'd find some gems in there. You did not disappoint.

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I had to post this bit by bit since DotDefender thinks I am trying to do a MySQL injection attack. i can't even edit it.

@greghar Well put.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Romans 5:8: “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” God sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sin by dying on the cross. God is a God of mercy and He sent Jesus to take our sin upon Himself and the punishment we deserve. Mercy is not getting what we deserve, we deserve death, and Jesus took our place.

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Revelations 3:20
'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Post 52 is an eyesore. But the good news is that it's bible verse time!

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
King James Version (KJV)
11When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
12Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.

If only we made the bible into law, our wives would no longer restrain us by our genitals, they'd no longer have hands.

Ezekiel 9:4-6
King James Version (KJV)
4And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

I'm surprised he didn't tell them to rape them first.

1 Peter 2:18
King James Version (KJV)
18Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

So do you think God smote all of those African-American slaves that tried to run away, unappreciative of their masters?

And finally,

Matthew 5:42
King James Version (KJV)
42Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

And with that... Greghar and waterMellons, each of you send me $2,500. I asketh of thee to give me that much money, ye shall not turn me away.

mjmacky, you are beginning to sound less intelligent than I first perceived you to be. Rape them first? Since 16 years of age, sexual immorality has been so ingrained in you that the first thing you think of is raping someone?

Wow, how easy it is to pull random verses from the bible and with a lack of understanding, completely take them out of context. I have seen other atheists at least bring something more relevant to the table, unfortunately for you, there is nothing to bring. I am beginning to doubt your entire testimony of the fact that you were ever a Christian at all. Instead, assume that you use that role only to present yourself as a strong and more wise atheists. It doesn't work.

All your replies, as perfectly worded as you can make them, all have the same point. You take solid evidence against you and either try to correct others grammar or go off on some other tangent. You have not given one single credible reply to anything that has been spoken against you, thus, making you sound like a leaky faucet that has no good purpose but instead is just more of an irritation.

Again, I am not expecting much from your next reply, it will be the same old insults because when you are faced with Gods Truth, there is NO sure defense.

But hey, too make you feel better, your grammar is lovely, but I would work oon your insults, they are rather lacking.

P.S I spelled on wrong so that you could get your grammar insult out of the way... Don't mention it.

mjmacky...

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You are correct, I am more attune to the meaning of "absolute" in this context. It is not in fact a superlative, it simply means there is no reference point for comparison. I thought I learned you that already.

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You Moron; you're attempts to impress show your need to appear sophisticated, but fail to back it up! First by stating "Absolute Morality" has no reference point for comparison is complete gibberish. Do you actually believe that or understand the requirements for that statement to hold true? Your simple mind fails to maintain the linguistic standards you're attempting to convey. In doing such, you lose sight of the meanings you try to express. But maybe that's your problem since you didn't have any to start with. Instead, you make false frivolous claims hoping that it will go unnoticed. Go figure!

Likewise, you cannot even read text correctly which may explain your inappropriate wording to describe your gibberish. I clearly stated you should be more attune to the meanings NOT that you are. These attempts at using Straw Man statements to change the argument fails to indicate a level of achievement or understanding of the subject matter which you profess. Again, showing you lack any means of defending yourself to win the argument so you change the subject to in a poor attempt to avoid defeat. You are so desperate, it's entertaining. Oh and guess what, YOU LOSE... LOSER!

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Again, you make false assumptions. I never did consider myself a peer of yours. Why would you even think that? You really are crazy, aren't you? You spend too much time reading between the lines and making poor assumptions than simply reading the context and comprehending their meanings. Btw, I eat freaks like you for breakfast. News flash, you don't and never will amount to anything; let alone someone present yourself in high enough regard or manner worthy for any of my peers. Are you one of those freaks that winks and kisses himself in the mirror?

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I'm sure you see that as a failing of higher education rather than an enlightened perspective on religion. I base that assumption on the exact texts you have used to describe your opinion of being a learned person.

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Yawn!!! Any more straw man arguments to throw out there? Have you boosted that lame ego yet with all that impressive intellectual vocabulary? If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm since you must be flustered which is apparently causing lack of better judgement. You fool, I have enough college degrees to line the wall of your family room! AGAIN as Jesus said, he would remove all protection from those who think them wise to greater expose them as the fools they are! And yet, PROVEN once again!!!

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You really aren't very intelligent are you? Based upon all your efforts, I expected better; what a disappointment! Well since that mis-education of yours hit its mark, I'll provide you with a more detail of your same definition of religion so it's extrapolated in a simplistic manner...

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2 - a personal set or institutionalized system of religious ATTITUDES, BELIEFS, and PRACTICES

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Hmm, wonder why that sounds so familiar??? Oh, I know because it directly defines an atheist! What?! Yes, it's true. Sit back and I'll explain. You chose to be an atheist for what reason? I'll give you some credit and apply the assumption that it's simply because you BELIEVE ( = BELIEFS ) there is no GOD for lack of proof. You cannot see him, touch him or feel him, so therefore he does not exist.

Instead, you choose to be an atheist. What that simply means you believe there is no God. But how or on what do you base that belief? Hmm, well there's the institutional theory of evolution, the Big Bang, the String theory, Mutations, Survival of the fittest, and etc. News flash, all of these are SOLELY based on BELIEFS since again, there IS NO PROOF! By the way, which are all proven NOT to be TRUE. So according to your own definition, you completely based your atheistic worldview solely upon your belief of the institutionalized attitudes, beliefs and practices behind it. THAT MEANS ATHEISM = RELIGION!!!!!!! Get over it and wake up. Most of what you think you know, you don't. You're brainwashed, manipulated and streamlined into the devils worship without even knowing it nor caring about it. Just another Puppet-Slave for the Elite's NWO agenda. If you're lucky, maybe you won't end up as worm food!

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No, you're not right. I'm equally discriminatory against all belief systems, I only have more opportunities to speak against the posts of Protestant Christians since the are more pervasive with their beliefs, an inherent flaw based on the concept of needing to witness. It's also humorous that you don't see the irony in how easy and matter-of-fact you will denounce any other religion besides your own, but feel it must be te work of Satan that anyone denounces your faith.

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WOW, your FOOLISHNESS is utterly amazing! You blatantly lie and think we cannot see through your deception? Listen, I'm not that stupid so don't pretend to be something you're not. Granted, your stupidity is funny but don't take my kindness too lightly.

Time for you to get some real education. If you were smart, you would have done some quick research before shouting your ignorance. However I'm still feeling kind so I'll enlighten you once again. ALL Religion = man made. The Word of God and his Laws are Eternal. It existed before man and will exist after man. IT IS NOT A RELIGION but the Word and Laws of GOD! Not surprising you cannot comprehend that since you fail to understand the nature of religion. I will offer you this advice because I'm not taking the time to tell you about it. If you want to know more, there is a fantastic free documentary called the Fuel Project - Know Your Enemy. It's very well made and will provide with all these answers on religion. From it's inception up to the present, including but not limited to that of Darwin's Evolution and the Catholic (pagan church) influence. The rest is up to you, meaning it's your choice. I recommend you show some smarts and download it. Just Google POtHS - Holy Treasures - 04 - The Fuel Project Know Your Enemy - Mark Fairley or in DVD format POtHS - Prophetic Times - 19 - Know Your Enemy - Mark Farley - 3 DVD. Good luck.

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Certainly, it did get interesting. However, I'm getting a keen sensation that this is mostly a trolling comment. At its best, it would still fall short of a Kindergartener's demonstration of reason and an understanding o the laws of physics and biological and chemical processes. If you actually believe any of those things, your state of mental decay is more severe than I originally assumed. Someone would have to be raised on a commune with a Clockwork Orange style education in order to sincerely spew this. If I were naive enough to believe there could not exist someone so incredibly stupid, I would have resorted to only posting some sarcastic remark instead.

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I'm bored... Once again you flaunt your arrogantly stupid and defiant nature, but to be honest, I knew you would with this. It's way over your head and far beyond the limits of your personal reality concepts to grasp. However if you had any smarts, you should have Googled what I said and you would have found loads of information. All of that which I previously posted is extremely well documented as I stated in the POtHS torrent series'. If you want to know the truth, do yourself a favor and download them. If not, then don't. Doesn't matter to me; I'm not the dimwit here.

Well the rest of your statements really lack any substance but I will give a brief response on two items...

1) Yes we're the sheep of Jesus and you are a Goat for the Slaughter!
2) The Bible is the most Prophetic book in existence with around 2,000 prophecies. Of which, close to 1,500 have been fulfilled and only 500 or so remain. Btw, it's also the biggest prophetic book ever written and proven to be not only accurate but thoroughly descriptive of future events 1,000+ years ahead of time. Go figure that went unnoticed by such the scholar as you!


waterMellons...

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Btw, nice scripture quote! If you notice in the description God gave us about the unbelievers, you'll probably see some resemblance portrayed in mjmacky's behavior. It wasn't hard to distinguish from the start. But onto your question...
I apologize my brother. I should have taken the time to elaborate further in my previous post. Unfortunately for many Christians, their worldviews are too often shaped by society and man's laws. So I'll try to explain this in more relative terms to our environment. I think it should help.

If you noticed, almost all copyright infringement warnings (such as those found on DVD's are in small print on labels) usually contain the term PIRACY. The politicians and corporations place Piracy claims on copyrighted material in order to create legal and social standards and claims of theft. Given today's current educational system and societal influences, most people have been manipulated over time to sincerely believe these theft claims of Piracy are true; thus equate copyright infringement to stealing as proclaimed in man's laws. But this is another deceitful attempt to convince the populace of the aforementioned untruths of my previous post. Let me describe it further...

Throughout history, Piracy or to be a Pirate has always meant or been applied to stealing. Pirates never bought their goods, they outright stole them or took them by force. So what's the difference? Before I answer that let me state that at no time in history did anyone who actually purchased the goods or services from the owner of said goods and then turn around and shared them with other people get arrested or held responsible for stealing. All the way up to the 20th Century, stealing = stealing = Piracy = stealing. Not until modern times under the corporate world governance did they create the term copyright and make laws concerning copyrighted materials which later changed to include Copyright Infringements of Intellectual Property.

The later of which really began with the invent of the VCR or Camcorder. Movie companies had the foresight to understand a possible loss in profits or revenues as technology advanced. However before going further, I should state here that this worry of theirs is simply already proven false. Ever since the creation of the Internet and torrent downloading, music and movie companies have enjoyed record profits, more than ever before without these technological advances and sharing programs being widely used. There are a number of reasons for this, but I'm getting off the subject. To proceed...

In order to subjugate the populace, increase their dominion or control for the New World Order and increase their revenue streams, the politicians created the legal terms of copyright infringement of intellectual property and passed laws declaring it illegal for anyone to resell or share copyrighted material without written consent from the original creator of said product. In order to make this work and convince citizens they had this right, they declared it as being the same as Piracy was of the past. Did you get that? Copyright infringement = Piracy = Intellectual property = Piracy?? Since when did a Pirate buy the goods they used and shared with others? The buying, selling and lending of goods and services is a common function within societies' citizens and always has been. However by attaching the term Piracy to mean the same as copyright infringement the lawmakers were able to pass it off as stealing and over time convince others that it actually was or is stealing. In truth, it is not but the law states otherwise. Since it's against the law, it is illegal, but in all honesty, it is not stealing! Also another tidit. Copyright Infringements = Intellectual Property = What??? It even sounds stupid. I mean intellectual property would merely by name implies property of the mind = thoughts but not goods produced. Since when did goods produced from the mind become intellectual? It's a scam! Also, they will don't acknowledge this yet, but in the future they may. Copyright piracy means you must have written consent of the creator/original owner to re-sell or lend the product. This means that the DVD you bought in the store cannot be shown in a group gathering, nor lent out to friends. If so, you are held liable under the statute. Although they don't enforce it, but they could - maybe in the future. Also, have you noticed they are moving away from labeling copyrighted material with the term Piracy? It seems more and more products use the actual Piracy term these days. Now you know why... people are catching onto their scams.

I'm sorry, it's getting late and I'm quite tired or would have done better explaining this to you. If you have any more questions, feel free to let me know. But this is why I state I live by God's laws, not man's laws. More and more people are waking up this this fact and many other deceptions of government. Brother, I tell you this. If you really want to catch up to speed on everything happening today and how it relates Biblically, i suggest you download the POtHS torrents. Don;t know if you're interested in everything like Bible Studies, archeology, creation and prophetic times. But they offer loads of Biblically related Conspiracy FACTS (not theories) ans SIN-inster Secrets. If you download them, they'll provide you and your loved ones with enough insight to prepare for what's to be soon at hand. Well, good luck to you and God Bless!

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mjmacky, you are beginning to sound less intelligent than I first perceived you to be. Rape them first? Since 16 years of age, sexual immorality has been so ingrained in you that the first thing you think of is raping someone?

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It would probably seem that way to you if you weren't able to comprehend the commentary, and the irony in the complete assumption God would spare them the rape before their murder. However, it would seem that God has a preference for only raping virgins. A twisted little bastard he is.

Numbers 31:17-18
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Kill the boys and their whores, hymens are your rewards.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
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28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

So if God didn't sanction your rape, it's rapers keepers. The victim becomes your ball and chain, for life. Actually, it isn't even rape in hindsight, it's prostitution-marriage.

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Wow, how easy it is to pull random verses from the bible and with a lack of understanding, completely take them out of context. I have seen other atheists at least bring something more relevant to the table, unfortunately for you, there is nothing to bring. I am beginning to doubt your entire testimony of the fact that you were ever a Christian at all. Instead, assume that you use that role only to present yourself as a strong and more wise atheists. It doesn't work.

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Yes, it is easy to pull a random verse from the bible, for it is a widely accessible publication. The context of the passages seem completely foreign to you, so that was merely a trite response on your behalf. It would probably serve you best to try again (perhaps become familiar with the context yourself rather than assume). Pro Tip: the typical way to understand context is to read the passages before and after the one referenced.

Also, an atheist wouldn't really give 2 shits about this. I am much more behaving as an antitheist here. Religion stole my childhood, it's enough of a motivation for me to pay it mind. I feel my past doesn't empower me as an atheist (rather, it's a bit embarrassing), but only as an antitheist.

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All your replies, as perfectly worded as you can make them, all have the same point.

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Why thank you, that's very nice of you to say. I kind of feel awkward to not return the compliments.

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You take solid evidence against you and either try to correct others grammar or go off on some other tangent. You have not given one single credible reply to anything that has been spoken against you, thus, making you sound like a leaky faucet that has no good purpose but instead is just more of an irritation.

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I was going to refer you to my post history, but it seems you understand exactly what the mjmacky is. I probably should deduct points for the blaring obviousness of it, but you get a mulligan on that one for being a Christian (a bit of a handicap).

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Again, I am not expecting much from your next reply, it will be the same old insults because when you are faced with Gods Truth, there is NO sure defense.

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You know, I should probably put this in a spoiler tag, but I think perhaps I should just be candid. I am God's truth. Shocking, isn't it? You might find yourself overcome with doubt, but once you realize you can't prove I am not God's Truth, you will eventually accept it. Now go collect some slave virgins, rape them, and send me $2,500.

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You Moron; you're attempts to impress show your need to appear sophisticated, but fail to back it up! First by stating "Absolute Morality" has no reference point for comparison is complete gibberish. Do you actually believe that or understand the requirements for that statement to hold true? Your simple mind fails to maintain the linguistic standards you're attempting to convey. In doing such, you lose sight of the meanings you try to express. But maybe that's your problem since you didn't have any to start with. Instead, you make false frivolous claims hoping that it will go unnoticed. Go figure!

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I thought perhaps I have given you enough information to finally grasp what Moral Absolutism is, so it's disappointing to see that you still don't quite get it. It pains me that I'd have to refer you to Wikipedia

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Moral absolutism is an ethical view that certain actions are absolutely right or wrong, regardless of other contexts such as their consequences or the intentions behind them. Thus stealing, for instance, might be considered to be always immoral, even if done to promote some other good (e.g., stealing food to feed a starving family), and even if it does in the end promote such a good. Moral absolutism stands in contrast to other categories of normative ethical theories such as consequentialism, which holds that the morality (in the wide sense) of an act depends on the consequences or the context of the act.

Moral absolutism and religion

Moral absolutism may be understood in a strictly secular context, as in many forms of deontological moral rationalism. However, many religions have morally absolutist positions as well, regarding their system of morality as deriving from divine commands. Therefore, they regard such a moral system as absolute, (usually) perfect, and unchangeable. Many secular philosophies also take a morally absolutist stance, arguing that absolute laws of morality are inherent in the nature of human beings, the nature of life in general, or the universe itself. For example, someone who believes absolutely in nonviolence considers it wrong to use violence even in self-defense.

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Oh and guess what, YOU LOSE... LOSER!

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I have a Christian screaming that I'm a loser, I fail to see what I have lost. Maybe it'll come to me after a near fatal car crash vegetates my brain matter. I'll defer the rest of my response for later today, I have quite a bit to take care of in the meantime.

mjmacky...

U R so disappointing. Even with all the helpful hints you can't improve nor stop being foolish. You try to hold onto some distorted claim of intelligence in your mind but come across to others as nothing more than a weak, troubled individual who desperately needs to boost their self esteem. Shameful I must say. Best of all, U R such a CRY BABY! With as much hatred you claim to have, I'm surprised you're not in jail yet.

One last helpful hint...
There can be NO ABSOLUTE MORALS found on this planet. From the mere definition of absolute both historically and modern makes it impossible to be applied to or combined with terminology relating to the morals of man. You can pull any hogwash outta of any dictionary you wish, but it doesn't change the common sense or logic to the phrase. Again, since you will not be able to comprehend this I'll elaborate for you. Morals are strictly a human feature. The mere application of absolute morals is impossible simply because for man, there is no such thing nor is it possible for man to achieve any set of absolute morals. In fact, the two terms together contradict each other. What I can tell you about this definition you've become so accustomed to is that it's appears to be of more New Age terminology. However, i don't think that would mean anything to you either.

Okay one last attempt. This is a perfect example of the mis-educational system and it's brainwashing of students. Stop believing everything you read or hear and start applying some common sense and solid reasoning before accepting it as fact or justifiable. Absolute morality does not and cannot exist in man. All man is of the sinful nature and therefore cannot ever excel to the level of an absolute morality. It's a ridiculous statement. In fact, I can only think of one absolute morality. That is to be sinless, anything else would not be an absolute! And there is only one who is of that stature and he is not man but God. Such is why it's a New Age term created for stupid folk like you who gobble up any untruth because it sounds good and pleasing to their personal reality. Next you'll start professing Christ Consciousness or something. Grow up!

This has gone beyond boring. Time to let the whiner be...

Now that I can take the time to finish, I'm here to fulfill my promise

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Btw, I eat freaks like you for breakfast. News flash, you don't and never will amount to anything; let alone someone present yourself in high enough regard or manner worthy for any of my peers. Are you one of those freaks that winks and kisses himself in the mirror?

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I'm sure I don't need to remind you on God's stance on cannabilism. Actually, it would appear he's rather indifferent to it. Continue eating freaks for breakfast, though it may cause some dietary issues (which shouldn't preoccupy you since you don't believe your body abides by physical and chemical phenomena).

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Have you boosted that lame ego yet with all that impressive intellectual vocabulary? If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm since you must be flustered which is apparently causing lack of better judgement. You fool, I have enough college degrees to line the wall of your family room!

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I'm sorry to hear that, I can only imagine how much it pains you to have those novelties of the devil's work lying around.

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You really aren't very intelligent are you? Based upon all your efforts, I expected better; what a disappointment! Well since that mis-education of yours hit its mark, I'll provide you with a more detail of your same definition of religion so it's extrapolated in a simplistic manner...

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Hmm, wonder why that sounds so familiar??? Oh, I know because it directly defines an atheist! What?! Yes, it's true. Sit back and I'll explain. You chose to be an atheist for what reason? I'll give you some credit and apply the assumption that it's simply because you BELIEVE ( = BELIEFS ) there is no GOD for lack of proof. You cannot see him, touch him or feel him, so therefore he does not exist.

Instead, you choose to be an atheist. What that simply means you believe there is no God. But how or on what do you base that belief? --edited out for separate reply at end-- So according to your own definition, you completely based your atheistic worldview solely upon your belief of the institutionalized attitudes, beliefs and practices behind it. THAT MEANS ATHEISM = RELIGION!!!!!!! Get over it and wake up. Most of what you think you know, you don't. You're brainwashed, manipulated and streamlined into the devils worship without even knowing it nor caring about it. Just another Puppet-Slave for the Elite's NWO agenda. If you're lucky, maybe you won't end up as worm food!

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Simply put, you still don't understand what an atheist is. It isn't a belief, it's a lack of belief in the context of spirituality. The only reason the word exists is because there are numerous people that actually believe in supernatural beings. In this sense, atheism doesn't have an inherent religious principle. With that said, the particular definition (which I included on purpose for baiting since I knew you wouldn't go and actually look it up) applies to all types of ideology. Libertarianism, Conservatism, Vegetarianism, etc. are, in that sense, religions. One can turn atheism into a religion if they use it as an ideology to direct their decisions and choices in life, organize based on it, define its role for themselves and for society, etc. There are people that do this, and it's probably what is confusing you so dearly. But it's one of many -isms that don't contain an inherent dogma or religion (other examples of non-dogmatic and non-religious -isms are plagiarism, embolism, criticism, absenteeism, all of which are used to describe a state of something in terms of effect without dogmatic cause).

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No, you're not right. I'm equally discriminatory against all belief systems, I only have more opportunities to speak against the posts of Protestant Christians since the are more pervasive with their beliefs, an inherent flaw based on the concept of needing to witness. It's also humorous that you don't see the irony in how easy and matter-of-fact you will denounce any other religion besides your own, but feel it must be the work of Satan that anyone denounces your faith.

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WOW, your FOOLISHNESS is utterly amazing! You blatantly lie and think we cannot see through your deception? Listen, I'm not that stupid so don't pretend to be something you're not. Granted, your stupidity is funny but don't take my kindness too lightly.

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Firstly, you should really announce as to what it is you think I'm trying to deceive you. I included my quote to provide a context, because you're clearly just being overly paranoid about who knows what. I recall that you are an admitted conspiracy nut, but aren't you at least supposed to declare what it is you refuse to be tricked into believing?

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If you want to know more, there is a fantastic free documentary called the Fuel Project - Know Your Enemy. It's very well made and will provide with all these answers on religion. From it's inception up to the present, including but not limited to that of Darwin's Evolution and the Catholic (pagan church) influence. The rest is up to you, meaning it's your choice. I recommend you show some smarts and download it. Just Google POtHS - Holy Treasures - 04 - The Fuel Project Know Your Enemy - Mark Fairley or in DVD format POtHS - Prophetic Times - 19 - Know Your Enemy - Mark Farley - 3 DVD. Good luck.

I'm bored... Once again you flaunt your arrogantly stupid and defiant nature, but to be honest, I knew you would with this. It's way over your head and far beyond the limits of your personal reality concepts to grasp. However if you had any smarts, you should have Googled what I said and you would have found loads of information. All of that which I previously posted is extremely well documented as I stated in the POtHS torrent series'. If you want to know the truth, do yourself a favor and download them. If not, then don't. Doesn't matter to me; I'm not the dimwit here.

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I'll give you another pro-tip. You practice a selective skepticism. Don't confuse it for skepticism. It actually makes you more gullible than an apathetic person. Sure, it wrapped you in, but simply presenting the same material that has you enamored doesn't pick up all the slack you leave behind when you simply refuse to acknowledge or understand the world around you is not very effective. You have to work at it, study actual facts rather than soak in conspiracy material. Understand different people's perspectives if you want to manipulate them into following your dogma. It's a lot of work, and your attempt is very contrived and just flat out lazy.

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Hmm, well there's the institutional theory of evolution, the Big Bang, the String theory, Mutations, Survival of the fittest, and etc. News flash, all of these are SOLELY based on BELIEFS since again, there IS NO PROOF! By the way, which are all proven NOT to be TRUE.

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This is the highlight right here. There are 2 critical concepts that you seem to have absolutely no understanding of. Yet another reason why you seem to be just a confused little mind (I took the creative freedom to use the word mind).

1) Theory. A reviewed scientific theory is not the same thing as a hypothesis. In the context for which you are using it, it's not simply what one researcher or research group thinks. A theory is tested and based on experimental observations, whether they are humanly or instrumentally perceived. They are used to describe the mechanisms of observed phenomenon. Naturally, there is a wide range in the plausibility of theories from cold fusion (one research group proposed it and no other could reproduce) to the Theory of Plate Tectonics and the Theory of Evolution (a vast field of reproduced, replicated and affirmed observations). You are attempting to deny majorly accepted theories with the idea that there is no proof, when in fact they persist because of the evidence.

2) Proof. Seriously, you don't know what proof is? It is evidence. I'll make it simple. If you walk off a ledge of a 20 story building, and you fall to the ground below, that would be evidence in support of the Theory of Gravity. Since the scope of evidence of the Theory of Evolution, as it applies to homo sapiens, isn't even conceivable to you since you can't observe it during your lifetime, I'll shrink the scope to something that actually occurs more rapidly. Bacteria. Due to the rate of cell replication and short lifespans, their Darwin mutations are observable. In the presence of antibiotics and/or antibodies, they will continue to die or have replication suppressed until they are completely eliminated or until a mutation occurs in which they are resistant to it. This is an example of bacterial evolution, and why many of the antibiotics developed half a century ago are ineffectual today.

Probably a poor choice of analogy on my part in assuming you acknowledge the existence of bacteria.

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Closing statement. Your limited understanding of the world around you, coupled with the tenacity for which you defend hearsay, is not only an embarrassment to other Christians but to mankind in general. You are to Christians as pedophiles are to anti-censorship advocates.

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start with adam and eve .. then the sin .. then move to the no more sins

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Hi J-dye, I should probably warn you that there are some others present that are easily confused. Please refrain from taunting them with your J-dye ways.

Perhaps you can tell them about the J-Dye conspiracy, it'll be eaten right up. He'd rather hear about that than understand that dictated morality is absolute morality.

I really wonder if any good tracker names came out of this nonsense argument ? Mj, you keep saying chiristians are hypocrats because they want to use p2p and steal files. stealing is immoral if you are atheist, chiristian or muslim, or whatever, so that is why we call it filesharing not stealing, so eighter you are saying "I am immoral person and stealing" or we all are just filesharing.

In my opinion, all the violance,immoral things, bad games, bad music, sex and all other sins of the world is so easy to reach now because of internet and filesharing. So if all the sins are free (stealing/filesharing) but good and moral things cost money, people will run to free one. So I would like to see more religious material pirated and disturbuted on the internet. And please stop badmouthing about chiristians or other religious people in every chance you get. don't be such a looser, or people ( I ) will think you been abused by a priest or religious mother/father when you were a child or something like that.

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I really wonder if any good tracker names came out of this nonsense argument ? Mj, you keep saying chiristians are hypocrats because they want to use p2p and steal files. stealing is immoral if you are atheist, chiristian or muslim, or whatever, so that is why we call it filesharing not stealing, so eighter you are saying "I am immoral person and stealing" or we all are just filesharing.

In my opinion, all the violance,immoral things, bad games, bad music, sex and all other sins of the world is so easy to reach now because of internet and filesharing. So if all the sins are free (stealing/filesharing) but good and moral things cost money, people will run to free one. So I would like to see more religious material pirated and disturbuted on the internet. And please stop badmouthing about chiristians or other religious people in every chance you get. don't be such a looser, or people ( I ) will think you been abused by a priest or religious mother/father when you were a child or something like that.

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For the record, I never called a single person a hypocrat. Additionally, free thinking practitioners have the unrestricted range of making the argument that filesharing is not stealing. The hypocrisy is enveloped in the followers of a dictated divine policy working out the details of theft to their own convenience.

I will always be a looser, because I prefer levity over treating each topic as too serious to avoid enjoyment. And finally, I was apparently not sexy enough to be touched as a child. Perhaps it's my anti-Freudian fixation.

www.wings2heaven.net is a good tracker and is free sign up!

P.S. Those people weren't really Christians, I never received anything by mail or wire regarding the money I wanted to borrow.

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I used to be a regular at Conspiracy Hub which dealt with christian related material and various modern conspiracies. Thought it was a really nice site with a forum and shout box section with good interaction amongst members. But now it's off-line due to a possible server move. Unsure how long this may take or even if it ever comes back on-line.

Does anyone out there know of any good related type sites, Christian related? I tried ConGen, but there seems to be a lot of hated for us Christians going on there. So need to find something else. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you so much! :noes:

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In 2009 I found this website/tracker: http://wings2heaven.net . You can find christian movies, christian music, christian books and many other things. There is also a shout box and forums. Exactly what you are looking for.
I also know another tracker where you will find a lot of christian movies. This one: http://www.christianmovies.eu/
In this one there are just movies.
If you have any type of question, don't hesitate to ask for help. The others members are cool and patient and there is a great staff.

I apologize for my bretheren. Being a "christian" doesnt give anyone any special powers. The word in itself is quite meaningless, and has done a great deal to estrainge others from The Faith. I wrote a comprehensive response to all of your very valid concerns (no really, even apologized for my ilformed and unrefined writing style), but I dont think I was signed in and it was lost. (I was devastated). I want to invite you to a discourse and address those parts in the Bible that make all Christians cringe and get defensive, because it is easier to resort to being human, than it is to take advantage of the fact God is available to have a relationship with everyone and ask him, Lord WTF?

You may think Im a bit of a kook (honestly I think Im a bit of a kook). My faith is a shield, and the word is a sword we are told to use to fight evil within ourselves, not cut each other down. Ill give you a short summary of what I wrote and if your interested email or pm or reply or whatever.

1. God is to us, as being a Parent is to a Toddler.

2. God orderd certain peoples to be killed because of high rates of incest, pedofilia, etc which caused deformities, and numerus social issues. There are other reasons we may not know of, (a gene passed down on only the male side of the family?) Refer to 1.

3.Virgins- Men tend to think in this examples context (I am a woman)..My toddler goes into the kitchen and sneaks a bite off a cookie, I catch him and make him eat the rest of the cookie, and tell him he is not allowed to have any more.


4. As soon as God manifested into time space, he created a "not him" because time space is the expression of IO..Transmutation makes I=O. Reflect on mirrors. (lol)

5. No title gives us an all access pass to God. We have to be HUMBLE to ACCEPT God. Beliefs tend to be used to bolster and defend our own insecurities. Faith is the expression of Gods love in our interactions with others. Faith that God was willing to manifest himself in the flesh, in a way we comprehend to be His"son", so that his life force could be born within us, and purify us on levels we cannot understand. How does a 2d conciousness percieve the 3d world? His spirit is available to any and everyone, no matter what you call yourself. No man can judge you, nor has the right. But your relationship with God will be the testiment of your life, as is the same with all of us. I am greatful that God is so mercyful as to be in your life as much as he was in any of the disciples, because that means he will also be in mine, with all my imperfections. God doesnt choose us, we really do choose God. I know you talk to Him. (God told me ;p).

Not everyone is given to "work it out" with the church, the disgrace to Gods name it is in America, and I dont expect that it is your calling. Dispite the lies of exclusivity, God has a direct relationship with you. You dont need a special title to talk to Him.

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That's cool, actually taking care of my children has been a bit of a burden. Off to be more godlike... :angel_not

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2. God orderd certain peoples to be killed because of high rates of incest, pedofilia, etc which caused deformities, and numerus social issues. There are other reasons we may not know of, (a gene passed down on only the male side of the family?) Refer to 1.

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This is a good platform for describing why it makes more sense that all deities were created by man. Much of the Bible has managed to contradict itself numerous times, and the reason for this is that the text itself is an amalgamation of folklore meant to both address certain social issues that the society was dealing with during their respective times and to explain the world around them.

Example:
Propaganda for procreation aimed to make sure tribes constantly at war were well stocked with young men such that they would not be wiped out.

Another more fundamental example would be as follows:
Before the Jewish tribes were united under their one true God banner, many tribes had their own version of this newly conceived monotheistic entity, and the banning of false idols was part of the movement to consolidate and justify the existence of just one God (prior to that, civilizations were polytheistic). The establishment of a one-God system itself was constructed to address the woes of poverty, where making sacrifices to multiple gods just was not possible for most people, thus making sacrifices to just one God was their "economic stimulus package".

Needs change over time, and that's why the aforementioned text can be all over the place with its stance on certain human behaviors.

Rather disturbingly, the Bible is not explicitly against pedophilia, as you had just implied. In fact, it tends to play on the opposite side of that argument, where you were allowed to take in children as prisoners of war and have your way with them as you pleased. During the times that coincide with that particular passage, the age of consent was not even a recognizable concept. Women were not really respected either.

Thus, one would most sanely approach the text with the same caution as one would approach Ayn Rand. It's fiction, it's perspective, let's try to avoid making doctrine from it. The lunacy of scientology and Mormomism is more apparent to the current general populace because we have all been recent witness to both of their inceptions. Fanatics can outlast apathetic skeptics in waging the public debate, thus we have all the Judeo-Christian faiths of today (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism). Over time, we'd lose this perspective and skepticism, and suddenly the bizarre nature of how Mormomism and Scientology were founded would seem more reasonable and maybe just archaic since they were products of their respective eras.

If history repeated itself, Mormons would dominate the global terrain in a couple hundred years. They are actively trying to do so, in fact. They're following the same viral mentality of its senior religions. However, advances in informational technologies might yet spare the world from that being realized. This might be my most contrived statement here, but the game has changed.

breathetheword is a good one. :D