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this has been going on for days. cant we just stop.

some eat meat, some dont. <_<

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Originally posted by TheDave@17 November 2003 - 09:17
this has been going on for days. cant we just stop.

some eat meat, some dont. <_<

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If you&#39;re bored you can stop, or do you need someone to hold your hand?



:)

well what else is there to do?

vivitron15, if you feel so strongly about it then why not pm a mod

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There is a psychological theory that no knowledge can be created by man, and that every aspect of our thoughts merely adds to that which we have already been told.

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bollocks. what age are you ?

i ask because, for talking&#39;s sake, if your 25, then would you be happy in the thought that by the time you were 35 then you wouldnt know any better, or have made any advances by yourself ?

there&#39;s &#39;theories&#39; about everything

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and pol, that is exactly the mindless behaviour to which i am refering. Thank you dearly for proving my point.

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mindless behaviour ??

get it together man.

JP

I must commend you on your first post; you asked the poster for his opinion. The ensuing couple of replys were also fine. I believe it was 3rd Gen who started the spamming on this occasion. There is no particular reason for you to take it seriously, that i grant you, however this person is allowed to start a discussion if they so do wish.

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Threads are hi-jacked in the lounge constantly. It is the way it works here.

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this is exactly what i fail to understand. Why is this so? Why not start your own topics?
If no-one wants to discuss something, then allow it to fall off the bottom of the screen.

I have chosen this topic, because it is a perfect example. It took 3 replys to be spammed. I fail to see the benefits to anyone. I would like to repeat my question

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f you were in the pub and someone wasn&#39;t talking about what you want to discuss, do you interrupt them and start your own conversation regardless?

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There is a psychological theory that no knowledge can be created by man, and that every aspect of our thoughts merely adds to that which we have already been told.

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that means no-one can know anything :ph34r:

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Originally posted by pol@16 November 2003 - 23:23
bollocks. what age are you ?

i ask because, for talking&#39;s sake, if your 25, then would you be happy in the thought that by the time you were 35 then you wouldnt know any better, or have made any advances by yourself ?

there&#39;s &#39;theories&#39; about everything


mindless behaviour ??

get it together man.

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I am a 20 year old student, whose girlfriend is studying a psychology honours degree. I would like to quote exactly the theorem, however i do not take a studious interest, I merely learn in passing from her works.

There are theories about most things, i grant you, but i do believe that this is an established theorem.

I would love to know what it was that you felt you were contributing by adding your comment. I assure you, at the time of writing my monitor was 15"

It was spammed because it deserved to be.

To copy a wordbrick (thanks Hobbes) from the internet and post it without comment or expressing your own opinion is nothing less that thread pollution.

So it was treated in the way that it deserved.

but if that were true, we&#39;d all be dead

I fail to see how you are able to judge what is worthy of discussion and what is not?

And Dave, are you referring to the original post? If so then I do believe you almost started to discuss it there. That is a turn up for the books.

im referring too

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There is a psychological theory that no knowledge can be created by man, and that every aspect of our thoughts merely adds to that which we have already been told.

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welll i fail to see how, but regardless, this is not the topic at hand.

Why not start your own topics?

My point is using that was exactly that conversation must begin somewhere, and in quoting this article, a conversation could indeed have ensued.

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 00:30
I fail to see how you are able to judge what is worthy of discussion and what is not?

And Dave, are you referring to the original post? If so then I do believe you almost started to discuss it there. That is a turn up for the books.

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Taking the pub scenario.

If someone walked in and placed a newspaper open on the table, without saying anything, would you discuss it, or ignore it.

If they said, look Viv I was reading this today and I think there may be some truth in it. What would you do then.

If someone wants to discuss something then they should say something about the subject. Not just put the source material on the table.

ok. heres my 2 pennies

i dont think its unhealthy.

happy now?

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Originally posted by vivitron 15+16 November 2003 - 23:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vivitron 15 &#064; 16 November 2003 - 23:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-pol@16 November 2003 - 23:23
bollocks. what age are you ?

i ask because, for talking&#39;s sake, if your 25, then would you be happy in the thought that by the time you were 35 then you wouldnt know any better, or have made any advances by yourself ?

there&#39;s &#39;theories&#39; about everything


mindless behaviour ??

get it together man.

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I am a 20 year old student, whose girlfriend is studying a psychology honours degree. I would like to quote exactly the theorem, however i do not take a studious interest, I merely learn in passing from her works.

There are theories about most things, i grant you, but i do believe that this is an established theorem.

I would love to know what it was that you felt you were contributing by adding your comment. I assure you, at the time of writing my monitor was 15"[/b][/quote]
:spam:


ps - sorry, i didnt realise that the 15" was for a monitor, maybe you should change your sig to &#39;why use one word when a double entendre would suffice&#39;, seeing as you seem to have a very selective sense of humour

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I fail to see how you are able to judge what is worthy of discussion and what is not?

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we&#39;re not worthy, glad to have you around to keep us all in check

JP,

If someone walked into my local and put a newspaper on the table, and I caught a glimpse of the headline, then maybe I would start to discuss it, depending, of course on the subject matter. However, I feel that the link between my use of the analogy and yours is somewhat tenuous, as the way in which a conversation begins on a forum cannot be compared to that of a social scenario, whereas a conversation follows pretty much the same format regardless of the situation in which it exists.

Why not start your own topics?

whats your oppinion on this article viv?

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Originally posted by pol@16 November 2003 - 23:37
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ps - sorry, i didnt realise that the 15" was for a monitor, maybe you should change your sig to &#39;why use one word when a double entendre would suffice&#39;, seeing as you seem to have a very selective sense of humour


we&#39;re not worthy, glad to have you around to keep us all in check

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I would love for you to prove this to not be true. I dont believe that you will be able to.

And yes, i do indeed have a selective sense of humour. I do like Friends, however i do not like Bo Selecta. I would imagine that this is true of most individuals, however, again this is not the topic at hand.

I never claimed I was the one to judge whether a topic should be allowed to be posted.

But, please answer me one thing
Why not start your own topics?

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 00:38
JP,

If someone walked into my local and put a newspaper on the table, and I caught a glimpse of the headline, then maybe I would start to discuss it, depending, of course on the subject matter. However, I feel that the link between my use of the analogy and yours is somewhat tenuous, as the way in which a conversation begins on a forum cannot be compared to that of a social scenario, whereas a conversation follows pretty much the same format regardless of the situation in which it exists.

Why not start your own topics?

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Correct me if I am wrong :

1. You chose the analogy.

2. I start "my own topics" on a regular basis.

I like Friends and Bo selecta and meat.

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Originally posted by TheDave@16 November 2003 - 23:39
whats your oppinion on this article viv?

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I personally think that is quite an important article, which most people should take time to at least skim through. I have not had time to go through it with a fine-toothed comb, however I feel that it addresses many issues. One of the most important of which is the fact that the meat based diet is incredibly inefficient. It is perfectly logical that the animals waste some energy before they are consumed.

Also, I found interesting the point regarding deforestation. I did not know that this was an issue. I personally think that it is shocking, as we (as a planet) have precious few resources left, and should really be starting to conserve some on a global scale. It has opened my eyes, and I think that I would like to look morre into this

edit: and yes JP, i used an analogy which was relevant to my point. Your use of the analogy isn&#39;t really analogous to the situation at hand

edit: Yes, JP I am aware that you start topics, and i have enjoyed participating in them from time to time. I still do not however see the need to hijack topics, when everyone is able to start their own

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 00:45


edit: and yes JP, i used an analogy which was relevant to my point. Your use of the analogy isn&#39;t really analogous to the situation at hand

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I think you will find that it is.

The chap was hardly a regular in this particular lounge / bar.

Your analogy was based on a group of friends having a discussion in a pub. I would suggest that the stranger was the person who started the thread, by placing the article on the table, whilst making no comment on it.

The person here made it clear that they wanted to start to discuss this topic. They did this by placing a thread in an open forum for people to view. This can only be compared to saying "Hey, theres something here that i found interesting, would anyone like to comment"

The people jumping in and spamming were effectively shouting over the top of this person and his conversation. In effect "butting in", if i may use such a colloquism. Granted, the conversation had not yet begun to take effect, but the speed of a conversation on a forum and in a pub are incredibly varied.

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I would love for you to prove this to not be true. I dont believe that you will be able to

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:huh:, prove what ??

that you have a selective sense of humour ?
the reason i said that was that having a look at your member title and sig would suggest that you do actually have a sense of humour, but i failed to notice it when you started posting in this thread as if it was a matter of life or death (sorry to steal your thunder BigBoab).

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And yes, i do indeed have a selective sense of humour. I do like Friends, however i do not like Bo Selecta. I would imagine that this is true of most individuals, however, again this is not the topic at hand.

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i&#39;d have to agree (on the "most individuals" part) but i&#39;d have to guess that&#39;s due to the fact that friends has an audience of hundreds of millions, whereas i doubt most non uk folks have ever heard of bo selecta (as well as it mainly just takes the piss out of brits, so it would hardly be relevant to anyone else), to their loss.

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But, please answer me one thing
Why not start your own topics?

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because since i returned to the board a couple of days ago, i&#39;ve seen umpteen threads about vegetarians etc etc, and since this is the lounge whats the problem ?

so please return the favour and answer a question,
why not lighten up ?

ps - i cant believe i&#39;m spending so much time with this, if your not happy then pm a mod instead of trying to act like one - there&#39;s plenty of serious threads about veg lately, why dont you post in those ?

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 00:57
The person here made it clear that they wanted to start to discuss this topic. They did this by placing a thread in an open forum for people to view. This can only be compared to saying "Hey, theres something here that i found interesting, would anyone like to comment"

The people jumping in and spamming were effectively shouting over the top of this person and his conversation. In effect "butting in", if i may use such a colloquism. Granted, the conversation had not yet begun to take effect, but the speed of a conversation on a forum and in a pub are incredibly varied.

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Which part don&#39;t you understand.

It&#39;s the equivalent of someone not saying anything, because he didn&#39;t say anything.

He made nothing clear, because he didn&#39;t say anything.

The thread was worthless, because he .... what&#39;s the point.

I apologise, though it did seem from your post that you were insinuating that my personal comments were spam. I realise there is very little ways to emphasise your comments, as there is IRL. In the same way, I was meaning that most people have a varied sense of humour. I fail to see why this was referred to.

The comment about "this is the lounge..." is exactly my point. Why is it that threads in here are able to be spammed, when this is clearly against the rules of the forum? The purpose of the lounge is for people to be able to enjoy the ability to discuss "Off-Topic" discussions.

I assure you I am very similar to you, I just fail to see why this mentality has emerged in the lounge...It was never like this when I was a more active lounge member.

And your last comment intrigues me. I would love to be able to post in a serious thread about meat, however people keep spamming them...this is exactly the case in hand. If I were trying to act like a mod, then I would be attempting to move this thread, however I&#39;m not going to waste my time; it would be futile.

I just can&#39;t see the benefit to anyone of spamming threads about such as this in here. A few months ago, I was able to discuss things with people, without the need for them to resort to spam, like they do now.

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Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 November 2003 - 00:05
Which part don&#39;t you understand.

It&#39;s the equivalent of someone not saying anything, because he didn&#39;t say anything.

He made nothing clear, because he didn&#39;t say anything.

The thread was worthless, because he .... what&#39;s the point.

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The fact that he posted meant that he registered an interest in the topic, JP as well you know. If he didnt want to discuss it in a civilised manner, then he wouldnt have posted.

Is Spam meat, is that the problem.

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Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@17 November 2003 - 00:14
Is Spam meat, is that the problem.

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No JP, Im sure you can see my point. I would just like to know why it is that the concensus around the lounge is that it is all about spam. The lounge is a place for "Off-Topic" discussion.

edit: removed JPs quote line, see below

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 01:12
If he didnt want to discuss it in a civilised manner, then he wouldnt have posted.

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You would think so wouldn&#39;t you.

However I tend to base my judgements on evidence, rather then "common sense".

It is true that:

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common sense isn&#39;t

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however there is no reason to spam this topic. If people feel it is "flame-bait" or "uninteresting" then why not allow it to fall? maybe someone else would like to discuss it?

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 01:15

No JP, Im sure you can see my point, as I&#39;m pretty sure you are quite an intelligent man.&nbsp;

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Thanks awfully for that, condescending as it may be.

I am sure you are quite an intelligent tax dodger as well.

Does the superiority complex come naturally, or do you have to work at it.

incredibly sorry there. I have edited my post, as it may indeed not have sounded genuine. I was in fact refering to the fact that i am aware thaty you are an intelligent, well read gentleman. (or so is the opinion that i have informed of you from reading your posts). I do have to work at being condescending, however this, again is not the issue.

It is late, and I shall be retiring soon. The only thing that I would like to know is why people feel the need to thread-spam. That is all. It is clearly against the rules, and as such i fail to understand how it continues.

edit: oh, and by the way JP, I have paid quite a lot of tax into this country already, and after having graduated, I would like to get a good job; a result of which is that I will pay more tax, but such is life. I am not bitter or angry at this.

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 00:57
The person here made it clear that they wanted to start to discuss this topic.&nbsp; They did this by placing a thread in an open forum for people to view.&nbsp; This can only be compared to saying "Hey, theres something here that i found interesting, would anyone like to comment"

The people jumping in and spamming were effectively shouting over the top of this person and his conversation.&nbsp; In effect "butting in", if i may use such a colloquism.&nbsp; Granted, the conversation had not yet begun to take effect, but the speed of a conversation on a forum and in a pub are incredibly varied.

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Viv,

I think the problem here is that this thread stems from a thread started by JPaul last night and most of us on this thread know it. Apparently Burkem felt unsatisfied with the outcome and decided to show up today with a copy and paste article to show us that he was right. I find it ironic that when he landed in the thread last night, it was apparent that he hadn&#39;t taken the time to read what others had already stated, and now he starts off here with a long reading assignment I bet he hasn&#39;t fully read.

The discussion took place last night, this thread was a simple attempt to "show us who was right". It takes no effort to rely on the words and academic degrees&#39; of others to express your point. A discussion comes from his taking the time to condense the key points from the article and express them in his words, providing a link for the person to read the source.

The desire to have a discussion was immediately recognized as a disingenuous and was treated in such a manner. Had the thread not had this history behind it, I am confident that it would not have been treated thusly. It also would have had a better chance of survival in the World News section, which hangs in heavy stagnation at the moment.

I, of course, have not participated in this spamfest, but then again, I&#39;m not some apple drinking, : selling, barsteward

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Originally posted by vivitron 15@17 November 2003 - 01:26
incredibly sorry there. I have edited my post, as it may indeed not have sounded genuine. I was in fact refering to the fact that i am aware thaty you are an intelligent, well read gentleman. (or so is the opinion that i have informed of you from reading your posts).&nbsp; I do have to work at being condescending, however this, again is not the issue.

It is late, and I shall be retiring soon.&nbsp; The only thing that I would like to know is why people feel the need to thread-spam.&nbsp; That is all.&nbsp; It is clearly against the rules, and as such i fail to understand how it continues.

edit: oh, and by the way JP, I have paid quite a lot of tax into this country already, and after having graduated, I would like to get a good job; a result of which is that I will pay more tax, but such is life. I am not bitter or angry at this.

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Too late mate.

Are you aware of the phrase " In vino veritas"

You don&#39;t have to work on being condescending, you pretty much have it sorted.

I&#39;m glad that you are not angry at having to pay a lot of tax, given that this will only happen if you have a substantial income. How magnanimous of you.

Maybe one day you may meet someone who has to decide whether to feed themself or their child. I hope not, but you never know, it might happen.

I thank you for taking the time to discuss this. I assume
http://www.klboard.ath.cx/index.php?...ic=81904&st=90
this is the thread to which you refer. I read a little bit of it, but to be honest i couldnt be bothered to join a thread which was so long, so i was not aware of the history.

however surely the easy thing would be to allow this to drop off the bottom? i may have come along and replied. if noone wanted to discuss, it would have disappeared.

it just bugs me that every topic ends up in this way in here. maybe i seem on my high horse, but its just one of those many niggling things.

vivitron15, you&#39;re whining on and on about people spamming, man this is the lounge. i agree with what has been said that the thread wasnt up to much to begin with

judging by your various replies that have jumped from you feeling the need to police the forum to using piss-poor analogies about phsycological theories etc etc - if you feel the need to prove a point or get something off your chest then why dont you start a new topic ?

this and the way you use your particular brand of terminology make me think that you are under the impression that you are somehow above everyone else, and you&#39;re right and everyone else is wrong. big deal if you think i spammed a topic, as i said there&#39;s a few of these already

and as for "I assure you I am very similar to you", man what the f*ck ??

I&#39;ll answer the main points that have came up, i&#39;ll have to be quick though as i&#39;m working in the morning.


Why did i post the article?
Because i thought some board members might find it interesting, i still do. Having last night got involved in another thread on the subject, and reading some misconceptions, i thought i&#39;d source an article from someone who knows what they are talking about.


Should i have condensed the points?
I don&#39;t really see how i could have, or indeed, why i should have. The article isn&#39;t really that long; maybe hobbes thinks i should have posted some pictures instead.


Why did i not post my opinion?
Well, the author is a leading scientist in his field, and i am not. What was i meant to say?:- &#39;Oh ya, i agree completely....&#39; or &#39;There&#39;s a couple of things i&#39;d like to add to that....&#39;.
Besides, the Topic title clearly states that i&#39;m posting an article. Why JPaul thinks he is some sort of board almighty, who decides what can and cannot be posted, i don&#39;t understand. I have yet to see a board rule that states members cannot source articles written by authoritative scientists, unless they give their opinion afterward.


Did i expect a debate to arise from this?
No, not really. I must admit that i&#39;m quite surprised at JPaul though, i too thought of him as being intelligent; now i think he has an attitude problem.


Do i care that the thread got spammed?
No, although i do think it&#39;s pretty pathetic. I&#39;m actually quite glad it&#39;s getting so much attention. That way, anyone who might be interested in learning about important ecological issues will see the post here, and take the time to read it.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Is that the best you can do ?

I hope you and the rest of the happening dudes had a good time down the pub.

When I was a young gun like you I didn&#39;t come home and post on the interweb (it didn&#39;t exist).

I certainly didn&#39;t come home and answer specific points with well thought out, well constructed answers. I really didn&#39;t give a flying feck about what other people thought.

I am glad you are so much more mature and that you went drinking with your mates, then came back and posted such an elegant reply. Well done that man.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hope your work goes well in the morning, another thing I didn&#39;t give a feck about.

How low can you go JP, i think you&#39;ve become an arse or maybe you always were but i didn&#39;t see it...