Two new fairy-tale dramas: Once Upon a Time and Grimm

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Who said anything about less time at work or less time doing daily chores?

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You did, then clocker, then you again said it very specifically in the part that I just quoted.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I still see people speed up.....to a red light. I have a stretch of road I travel where the lights are timed for 20mph.

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If only they knew how to change the timing of the lights with their smartphones, what a bunch of newbs

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

You did, then clocker, then you again said it very specifically in the part that I just quoted.

no I didn't

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I still see people speed up.....to a red light. I have a stretch of road I travel where the lights are timed for 20mph.

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If only they knew how to change the timing of the lights with their smartphones, what a bunch of newbs

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Eggzackleeeee.....

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Originally Posted by Busyman

You must good at making issues that aren't there to suit your argument. Who said anything about less time at work or less time doing daily chores?

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What is the point of all this efficiency if not to minimize the drudge of work and chores?
You want to free up your time so you can work more?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Efficiency allows me to get more done in a day. That's why it's efficient.

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Circular logic is quite efficient but also cheating.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Oh and lets go back to the weird questions. First off, you'd be amazed at the number of people that don't use the traffic maps yet have smartphones. Having a tool and using it are two different things. This is also CaptainObvious. People are also dumb. I still see people speed up.....to a red light. I have a stretch of road I travel where the lights are timed for 20mph. People continue to speed up to each light. I coast along at 20mph through all the lights.

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So this wonderful efficiency enhancing tool really only works if everyone else uses it as well? That seems like quite a major flaw to me.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Wanting something at the last minute has shinola to do with the inefficiency of smartphones. You use smartphones for for what YOU want not the other way around. Funny enough, I used my phones very recently to save money. I had a person to do the labor on my car but I needed the parts right then. Advance Auto Parts had online coupons $20 off $50. I got the call to bring my car in soon and had no time to go home.
I placed multiple orders of $50, used the $20 online coupon each time, and did in-store pick-up. I got $200 worth of stuff for $120, they had my stuff waiting, I paid, and rolled on to the shop.

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Congrats, sounds like a good deal.
How much did the phone cost for that month?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Your last question is near nonsensical. Everything has a cost. Who said anything about 100% (or even 95%) efficiency. Learn what MORE efficient means.

Your inability to grasp this simple concept makes either incredibly dumb or just thick. Great book knowledge but without a shred of common sense.

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Let's make this simple.
You sell a product/service.
As more people buy the product/sign up for the service, your supply chain should become more efficient, hence cheaper.
Your income expands because your customer base grows but the cost to the individual goes down because of economy of scale.
Presumably, this is exactly how your phone bill works.
You get free text (which costs the provider nothing anyway), unlimited data and decreasing hardware costs because that is how capitalism says the system is supposed to work.
We (as in "we the people") grant licensing rights to the airwaves we own, to corporations who promise "X" level of service at "Y" level of cost.

The very concept of efficiency you're so enamored with says that the level of service should be increasing and the cost should be decreasing.
Is this in fact so?

What would happen if you turned the phone off for a week?
Who would be most inconvenienced by that?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

no I didn't

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If you posted that without knowledge of its implications, I should probably apologize profusely. Give me some time to think about it.

I don't see what the problem is.

I have a smartphone and use it for looking at the internets if I'm not near a computer. Phoning people and texting people and taking the odd photo.
If I had a lot of time on my hands, I'd no doubt put some films on there or learn how to predict the traffic or see if my exit was backed up or whatever the fuck he said.

The thing is, though. I don't really. I get caught up talking to people, either irl or on the internets.
Busyman is clearly alone a lot and wishes to watch some telly on his three inch screen and learn how to save money on microwaves. Whatever. Good luck to him.

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Originally Posted by manker

I don't see what the problem is.

I have a smartphone and use it for looking at the internets if I'm not near a computer. Phoning people and texting people and taking the odd photo.
If I had a lot of time on my hands, I'd no doubt put some films on there or learn how to predict the traffic or see if my exit was backed up or whatever the fuck he said.

The thing is, though. I don't really. I get caught up talking to people, either irl or on the internets.
Busyman is clearly alone a lot and wishes to watch some telly on his three inch screen and learn how to save money on microwaves. Whatever. Good luck to him.

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Fore teh wekord, I don't watch telly on me phone but either way, thanks mank. :happy:

Oh, and I might add, we have the 2nd worst traffic in de whole wide wuld or somesuch so I gots to be on point there or be relegated to a highway parking lot from Walking Dead.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Lots of talking.

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I don't really care what you said because I realized that I am having some sort of ideological dispute about technology over the internet.

So I guess you win even though I will continue to base my day around my feeling good about life,the Universe and everything, rather than me being efficient.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Lots of talking.

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I don't really care what you said because I realized that I am having some sort of ideological dispute about technology over the internet.

So I guess you win even though I will continue to base my day around my feeling good about life,the Universe and everything, rather than me being efficient.

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Umm...mmk. I will do those same things and continue to use technology. It's not about being efficient. It just is. It's about working smarter, not harder. So umm....yeah I guess I win then (like I really cared about winning).

:wacko:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Umm...mmk. I will do those same things and continue to use technology. It's not about being efficient. It just is. It's about working smarter, not harder. So umm....yeah I guess I win then (like I really cared about winning).

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In memoriam of Idol's concession, I would like to close with this. For what it's worth, I made an argument for the ubiquitous nature the internet plays into modern life, the difference being that it was much easier to substantiate and I did a much better job at it. But I'll golf clap your effort.

If you think it's too early for a memoriam, it's the internet, decades have already passed.

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Originally Posted by clocker

What is the point of all this efficiency if not to minimize the drudge of work and chores?
You want to free up your time so you can work more?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Efficiency allows me to get more done in a day. That's why it's efficient.

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Circular logic is quite efficient but also cheating.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Oh and lets go back to the weird questions. First off, you'd be amazed at the number of people that don't use the traffic maps yet have smartphones. Having a tool and using it are two different things. This is also CaptainObvious. People are also dumb. I still see people speed up.....to a red light. I have a stretch of road I travel where the lights are timed for 20mph. People continue to speed up to each light. I coast along at 20mph through all the lights.

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So this wonderful efficiency enhancing tool really only works if everyone else uses it as well? That seems like quite a major flaw to me.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Wanting something at the last minute has shinola to do with the inefficiency of smartphones. You use smartphones for for what YOU want not the other way around. Funny enough, I used my phones very recently to save money. I had a person to do the labor on my car but I needed the parts right then. Advance Auto Parts had online coupons $20 off $50. I got the call to bring my car in soon and had no time to go home.
I placed multiple orders of $50, used the $20 online coupon each time, and did in-store pick-up. I got $200 worth of stuff for $120, they had my stuff waiting, I paid, and rolled on to the shop.

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Congrats, sounds like a good deal.
How much did the phone cost for that month?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Your last question is near nonsensical. Everything has a cost. Who said anything about 100% (or even 95%) efficiency. Learn what MORE efficient means.

Your inability to grasp this simple concept makes either incredibly dumb or just thick. Great book knowledge but without a shred of common sense.

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Let's make this simple.
You sell a product/service.
As more people buy the product/sign up for the service, your supply chain should become more efficient, hence cheaper.
Your income expands because your customer base grows but the cost to the individual goes down because of economy of scale.
Presumably, this is exactly how your phone bill works.
You get free text (which costs the provider nothing anyway), unlimited data and decreasing hardware costs because that is how capitalism says the system is supposed to work.
We (as in "we the people") grant licensing rights to the airwaves we own, to corporations who promise "X" level of service at "Y" level of cost.

The very concept of efficiency you're so enamored with says that the level of service should be increasing and the cost should be decreasing.
Is this in fact so?

What would happen if you turned the phone off for a week?
Who would be most inconvenienced by that?

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Hoi, you posted all of that cuz you don't understand the logic of missing heaps of traffic and the missus can zip a grocery list instantly to me (among a host of other things) while I'm out?

Oh snap! This is getting pathetic.

If sending message by raven works for you, kewel. Obviously you do what works for you and fits your budget.

Did you know that in China the family of an executed prisoner must pay for the bullet that kills him?
I wonder if they're as grateful as you.

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Originally Posted by clocker

Did you know that in China the family of an executed prisoner must pay for the bullet that kills him?
I wonder if they're as grateful as you.

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Lining them up and knocking them down or in this case maybe Down's.

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Originally Posted by clocker

Did you know that in China the family of an executed prisoner must pay for the bullet that kills him?
I wonder if they're as grateful as you.

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Made In China

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by clocker

Did you know that in China the family of an executed prisoner must pay for the bullet that kills him?
I wonder if they're as grateful as you.

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Lining them up and knocking them down or in this case maybe Down's.

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Subtle reference to mongoloids? Faaaantastical.