Pc V3.3

god im so lost in this topic, i like computers and all and this seems like it would be interestion if i knew what the hell you guys were talking about, i own a compaq 6016us and want to get a laptop that is better that my desktop so i can sell the desktop to someone on ebay, so how do i got about making a cheap 1000$ under, the more under the better and ending up with a decent processor 512 on the ram and a dvd burner would be nice, making a smaller hard drive possible because im willing to put stuff on discs and sacrafice hd space, input would be nice or i swear to god ill get a dell

so many typos and im not gonna fix em, and i don't really have anything against dell

I'm sure that Dell is relieved.

Now, what do you have against the English language?

Clocker - we're the ones that have to read it. What has he got against us?

I'm intrigued. How is the cpu fan mounted - have you got some sort of levitation device or is it bolted directly to the centre of the heatsink? :(

And without a shroud, what is directing the airflow onto the heatsink?

Lynx, I'm sure that there is no specific animosity involved.

More of a general disdain probably.

I love how my poor grammer is adressed more that my probobally simple problem at hand, I feel like im in enlish class

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Duffman3@24 November 2003 - 19:06
I love how my poor grammer is adressed more that my probobally simple problem at hand, I feel like im in enlish class

---

Maybe that's because this topic is about clocker's pc.

If you've got a problem perhaps you should start your own topic?

oh you think your so smart

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Duffman3@24 November 2003 - 23:26
oh you think your so smart

---

yes we all beleive we are smart.....

i agree with lynx here, go make your own topic, if you want to talk about stuff like 'dell' and your poor spelling.

btw clocker explain in more detail how have you put your fan on your heatsink!

i did make my own topic, but on the subject of clockers pc, how come no one has tried to rig up some air conditioner type thing to cool the computer

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Duffman3@24 November 2003 - 22:35
i did make my own topic, but on the subject of clockers pc, how come no one has tried to rig up some air conditioner type thing to cool the computer

---

Because, and if you'd been around a little longer you would know this, it's really all about getting the NOISE level down without compromising the cooling. I hardly think an 80db hurricane quite fits the bill.

2 birds with 1 stone in the summer

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Duffman3@24 November 2003 - 15:35
i did make my own topic, but on the subject of clockers pc, how come no one has tried to rig up some air conditioner type thing to cool the computer

---

Duffman,
http://www.frozencpu.com/images/prod...es/cas-118.jpg
Vapochill makes this refrigerated unit for a mere $900. Intel or AMD. Several different models.
Belly up to the bar, boy.

@Kunal & Lynx,
This pic shows the u-shaped bracket that mounts this fan to the Zalman cooler.
It looked like it would just slip between the fins of the AMD HS...
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/24...ni-bracket.JPG
And, son of a bitch!, it does. simple tension has held it in place so far.
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/24...ni-install.JPG
As effective as this set up may be, I hate to keep it as it renders my Zalman HS useless for resale without this rather specialized fan. Till I come up with something better though, it stays.
Lynx, without a shroud, nothing is really directing the airflow specifically into the HS finning. That fan just floods the entire area, which is an effect that I rather like.
The first set up ( with the 80mm fan adaptor), really focused the airflow and a steady stream of heated air could be felt escaping from the sides of the HS. On the RH side unfortunately, this escaping air blew directly onto my first stick of RAM.
Hardly ideal.

well my idea involed a ac in the wall, plastic wrap, papertowell tubing and massive amounts of duct tape, imagine.. if you will
plastic wrap coming off the ac in a triangle type thing ending with cardboard tubing that runs the the nearby computer and then into the computer. although the computer would have to be wrapped not to let too much air out. lol just picture it isn't it........ cool, get it cool

Duffman I have no doubt that there already exist several rigs set up as you propose.

I'm not really a duct tape, paper towel roll kinda guy, though.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by clocker@24 November 2003 - 23:45
@Kunal & Lynx,
This pic shows the u-shaped bracket that mounts this fan to the Zalman cooler.

It looked like it would just slip between the fins of the AMD HS...
And, son of a bitch!, it does. simple tension has held it in place so far.

As effective as this set up may be, I hate to keep it as it renders my Zalman HS useless for resale without this rather specialized fan. Till I come up with something better though, it stays.
Lynx, without a shroud, nothing is really directing the airflow specifically into the HS finning. That fan just floods the entire area, which is an effect that I rather like.
The first set up ( with the 80mm fan adaptor), really focused the airflow and a steady stream of heated air could be felt escaping from the sides of the HS. On the RH side unfortunately, this escaping air blew directly onto my first stick of RAM.
Hardly ideal.

---

It's impossible to tell from that picture, but I assume that there's a hole in the middle of that u-shaped bracket. If not, you are shielding the most important part of the heatsink - the bit immediately on top of the cpu.
Edit: that's why I like copper based heatsinks, they make the area above the cpu less important.

I think the reason you are seeing an improvement in temps with the back panel fans blowing air inwards (compared to outwards) is that they are blowing across the cpu heatsink and consequently doing part of the job of a shrouded heatsink fan.

I hadn't considered the effect of hot air from the cpu blowing across the memory. Something I need to look at next time I start overclocking.

Speaking of overclocking, I was thinking about the trick of connecting pins on the back of the motherboard (for Thoroughbred and Barton processors) and suddenly realised that there might be a possibility of using some sort of jumper to try this trick out. The important bit was going to be the spacing of the pins. I have found out that the pin spacing horizontally and vertically is 0.1", the rows of pins are offset by 0.05" relative to the next row. The pins which need to be joined are on adjacent rows (shifted by half a row).

Converting this to metric, pins spacing is 2.5mm in any row, with 1.25mm between adjacent rows, offset by 1.25 mm. So the distance between a pin on one row and the nearest pin on an adjacent row is 1.414x1.25mm = 1.77mm. I'm pretty sure that there are some jumpers with pin spacing at 1.75mm, I'm also pretty sure I've got some, somewhere.

With this method, if it works a blob of hot-gun glue makes it semi-permanent, a craft knife to cut the glue restores the board to the original condition.

Lynx,

SpeedStrip looks like the fastest, easiest and most reversable method of unlocking the multipliers on your chip to me.

No, there is no hole on the center of the bracket. And the fan hub is fairly large. The fact that the fan assy. is raised over the HS probably helps unmask the finning somewhat, but still, it's hardly ideal. A work in progress, to be sure.

I'll be moving my temp probe onto the RAM stick in question this evening. See what shows up. At the very least, a simple deflector could easily redirect the escaping air upwards rather than directly at the RAM. Might be helpful.

I've seen that Speedstrip idea before, I'm not too keen on putting anything between the cpu and the socket, even if it only half a millimeter. I can well believe that the extra strain from the heatsink bracket could well crack the cpu die.

The method I propose joins the same pins on the back of the motherboard. If anything goes wrong the cpu has not been tampered with in any way, and until I'm happy with the results neither has the motherboard. In fact I don't need to even disturb the hsf etc.

Now I just need to work out what I've done with those jumbers. :rolleyes:

I was thinking along the same lines as you with regard to having a deflector between the cpu and the memory. I suspect I've got exactly the same problem, and it probably explains why my mobo temp is so near to my cpu temp (the mobo temp chip is between the cpu and the memory).

Btw, my main heating has been down this weekend, so the ambient temp has been down at about 15C first thing in the morning. This dropped the cpu temp (with the fan at 100%) to 28C. Mobo temp was also 28C, which tends to confirm the thoughts about the heat from the hsf warming the mobo chip.

Right now my chip temp is 42C and the mobo is 32C.

I have always had a good differential in those two readings. Board temp tends to be 2-3degC over ambient case temp.
BTW, my first reads on the memory temp show 31.1C- very similar to the board temp. This doesn't really surprise me as that fan is blasting air all over. Maybe not the most efficient for the HS, but a boon for the rest of the neighboring components.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by clocker@24 November 2003 - 20:53
Lynx,

SpeedStrip looks like the fastest, easiest and most reversable method of unlocking the multipliers on your chip to me.

---

Umm guys, if you look at that article, all it does is jumps two pins on the motherboard, and oddly enough, it tell you how it does it, and it SHOWS YOU which two pins are being jumped.

http://www.overclockercafe.com/Revie.../pics/1003.jpg

I know people who have used a graphite pencil to jump the L2 bridges on the throughbreds to unlock the 512k L2 Cache, and I would bet that you can just draw a line between the two pins under the processor, and voilia, its unlocked.

All you need is to jump the pins, and last time I check, graphite usually works at doing that.

You spend = 0 dollars.

Speedstrip= 15 dollars



Graphite = .03 mm thick

speedstrip = 1 mm thick.


Umm come on guys, no need to waste your money on what you can do yourself.

John, if you read further you'll see that AMD has cut channels inbetween the affected pins so the old pencil trick doesn't work anymore. I have seen articles on how to fill the groove and then paint in the connector, but the SpeedStrip looks like the best solution to me. I've read two reviews and they both mentioned Lynx's concern about the added thickness, but neither had any trouble IRL.

I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that shit.

Edit:

The Speed Strip is less than .5mm thick, BTW, not 1mm as you stated.

How does the conductive material on that speedstrip differ from just pencil graphite?

<_<

Even if they put a safeguard on the boardchip between the pins, you can easily just put something as simple as hell a bit of fingernail polish (the kind without metal conductive materials in it of course.) to cover the small area around the two pins you plan to put the graphite bridge and then put the graphite over it so it doesnt conduct to the board, just between those two pins.

Oh and btw clocker, graphite isnt .03mm thick either......


BTW: I have had people do pratically this exact same thing.

Got me.

I&#39;ve only done casual reading on this subject as it doesn&#39;t affect me.

JL, I understand what you are saying, the site I originally came across said that graphite was not really good enough for this trick.

The point about my mod (using a jumper) is that it goes on the back of the MOBO (which the speedstrip can&#39;t), it uses a standard 1.75mm jumper which I think I&#39;ve already got, and costs virtually nothing if I haven&#39;t got one. It is also completely reversible.

This picture (sorry they don&#39;t allow linking) supposedly shows a gap between the heatsink and the processor when using the speedstrip. The box and arrow are in the wrong place, it&#39;s the tiny splash of light to the left. I&#39;m not willing to risk that.

Well im sure something would suffice to jump the circuits, you only need something to complete the circuit between the in ergo something with metal in it, such as the graphite.

Yeah, I know, the graphite tricks are kinda getting a bit too old to still be viable options, but i was just using it as an example in this case.

Ahh, the simple days when a pencil was all you needed to unlock a thoroughbreds. :)