Basic home audio stuffs (mbm and co.)

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

What is the :huh: part of that, shay?

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Well... In my opinion sound is what your ears hear, and everyone likes what they like...
You say that they work well together, that is great:D , and you have the equipment to drive speakers properly:D
Until i have it set up in my room, i would have to wait and see how it sounds for myself:D before i would say they work well together :idunno:
Speakers could be great!!!But What is driving them is a POS!!?? Or What he is going to broadcast could make a difference in sound??
Everything has a better chance to sound good in a sound proof room or theater built room, making something sound great in a room that you use every day is a much bigger task!!:)

That is what i mean, and it is not worth debating over because no one is right or wrong. In the end you have to live with what you have :D
Goes back to saying asking questions like that are loaded and hard to answer :idunno:

I can tell you i have looked at the Atmos systems(9.2.2 :yikes:)..... Good thing i am poor right now after my trip:whistling, but i think the wife would say it is loud and good enough what i have anyways:cry:(sad to say it is not my penis waking her up at night in bed:cry:):noes:
Really.... what do broads know??:D

Meg...
Just to go off topic for a second....
It is that debate that taking a true BD rip of 30-70gigs and reducing/muxing it to 1-10gigs and saying that it is the same, and really no difference in sound or picture???
I am still trying to figure that one out:unsure:
All i know is if i really like the movie i will download and stream/install it in the true BD rip..(no WiFi all wired in my house:D and i don't do it that often), and there is a huge difference in sound and picture (day and night!!)that i can see, but how many people have the sound and video equipment to notice??
Try explaining to someone when the cable company is saying they are broadcasting in 1080p it is not even close to that??
The next question is... Who really cares??:idunno: Well... At times i do..
Do you?? Do most people?? More loaded questions right??

You'd be pleasantly surprised how seamlessly the speakers mesh together. In the isolation of my dedicated room, everything is quite involving. Only when it gets shut off do you realize how much your attention was focused on the movie.

I easily spent several hundred hours looking into various bi-pole, di-pole, and regular speakers for my system, which at the time was based on a Lexicon DC-1. It was the only system utilizing 7 discreet channels at the time. Nobody, including Lexicon really knew what was the best way to make use of the sides speakers, yet alone make sides and rears work together. I auditioned an INSANE number of options.

Ultimately, I decided on these things:

-REAL movie theaters use regular speakers for their sides and rear channels

-The ability for a speaker to produce a neutral, yet dynamic range was the most important characteristic

-The goal is to envelop the listener without drawing attention to the speakers

-The tweeters needed to be mounted ABOVE the listener by 2-3 feet to eliminate most of the discernable directionality (should be diffuse, not locatable)

-There was no reason to spend $2000+ on 4 speakers that match EXACTLY since we perceive sound differently as it travels around our head (rub/snap fingers and move them from front to side to behind your head and tell me that sound is the same- it is definitely not...)

-Speakers that are too small are pathetic for this task; speakers that produce full-range are not necessary because bass should already be filling the room from sub

-All of these points were confirmed after I took the plunge and tried fairly cheap speakers. Sound improved once I upgraded to the Polks. I find no need to upgrade the sides and rears.

-Placement and setup volumes are nearly as important as the side and rear speakers themselves.

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To answer your off-topic question, Shay, I believe that a great movie can be watched on a 13" Black and White set from the 1970's with a single 4", mono speaker and still accomplish its effect.

I rarely download anything over 4GB, but I feel that is about the point of diminishing returns- even on a 102" screen, with a dedicated theater setup. Beyond that, I doubt many people would be able to score a perfect 10/10 blind comparison test performed at random, with volume and brightness level matching.

A considerable amount of the 50GB+ file size is there to combat easy piracy and distribution. Placebo effect is also quite real.

Lets go through a few things... But mostly i agree with you:D

-"REAL movie theaters use regular speakers for their sides and rear channels"
Start reading a little more on that Meg.... Atmos theatres are far from normal speakers now:yup:

And all of this sounds great for a sound proof room or a dedicated theaters in your basement, but try doing that in a bedroom or a true family room in your house, That is a whole different ballgame :D

As for your logic on Blu-rays and protection??
You are kind of off on your assumption that the protection takes up that much space, If you say that on a game console burnt game i would agree with you...
But when it comes to Blu-ray movies, the only thing added is a small file in the sound.. That is it!! And when you mux it you are degrading the sound file more than the Picture itself. The audio file is quite large on a Blu-ray for the reasons of true channel separation, and with a better quality sound system it is noticeable big time:yup:
Again you could take Bose speakers and there shitty non powered sub-woofer and put it in a sound proof or theater room and they sound great!!!
Put them in a bedroom or a normal room and they are not even close to the same sound....

And again that goes to what you are looking for be it quality at low levels or high levels or both...
My wife's cousin use to own a car stereo stores and mainly went after insurance claims..
To make a long story short.... He had a theater room in his basement when nobody did, and he had state of the art sony gold series amps pre amps , you name it...All in a specially built room with racks on racks of equipment, the walls were just wires in them and turned into speakers for the sides(all state of the art!!)...
He had custom foot ottomans with foot controls that were all sub-woofers, and everything was all remote, be it lighting, to screens , the whole nine yards...
I went a few times and was in heaven!!! A few years later it was collecting dust!!!(and the fucker paid nothing for any of it all given for free!!!), his kids never went downstairs either....
To me personally home theater rooms are great, but sitting in a basement no matter how fancy it is, not my cup of tea and too far from the kitchen!!
So i had to build and make my family room and bedroom my home theater rooms (have a fifth bedroom with cheaper surround in it:D)
If Skiz is reading and not responding to any of this:idunno:
You can have lots of equipment and projectors and plasmas and UHD tvs, it is all the preference that you want and are going to use and enjoy:D
That is why i could never tell a person..Ya that will work together or ya those speakers will be good???
All i could say is, if i was asked what i have and do i like it?? And i would say yes. But it doesn't mean you are going to like the sound or picture right...
If he lived close and asked me to help wire it or help him with the setup?? no problem!!

I can tell you i bought most of my equipment and tv's from a friend that had a small stereo store and he custom built all the homes and cottages for the owners of Blackberry, and they were very happy and the sky was the limit!!!!
And out of recommendation i bought one of those color Pronto remotes that cost me $1,000.00(really just under with the charging stand:whistling) that is now in my basement collecting dust, and if i wanted i could go buy one of those Logitech's or harmony for $99 and it would have been just as good or better for me...
But say la vi right....

As for watching a great movie on a small screen and basic sound?? I agree with you 100%!!! , but since i do have the privilege of having a bigger tv and a half descent surround setup... What the hell right:D

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

I think you should be quite happy keeping what you've got, move the 45B's to the rear channels, and get those 70/75's. The center channel should be quite compatible soundwise to the new fronts.

The subwoofer would still be fine, its bass output would not be as necessary once the 70/75's were in your system.

Refresh my memory- what did you end up with for a receiver? How big is your new room? Were you using rear channel speakers before?

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I hadn't really considered that but it sounds like a good idea. I think I'll hold off then on buying some of that until I'm ready to do it all at once. I'm looking to swap out the 46" tv that I have right now with a new 60" and buy the Monitor 70's at the same time. (new monitor has set me back quite a bit :pinch:)

Receiver is a Yamaha RX-V375 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B981F38)

The new living room area is a rectangular basement room right at 30' x 12' and we'll be watching the tv from about 9-10 ft away across the short side.

No rear channel before. It was solely running on the speakers I mentioned before: 2 fronts, center, sub.

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Originally Posted by Skiz

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

I think you should be quite happy keeping what you've got, move the 45B's to the rear channels, and get those 70/75's. The center channel should be quite compatible soundwise to the new fronts.

The subwoofer would still be fine, its bass output would not be as necessary once the 70/75's were in your system.

Refresh my memory- what did you end up with for a receiver? How big is your new room? Were you using rear channel speakers before?

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I hadn't really considered that but it sounds like a good idea. I think I'll hold off then on buying some of that until I'm ready to do it all at once. I'm looking to swap out the 46" tv that I have right now with a new 60" and buy the Monitor 70's at the same time. (new monitor has set me back quite a bit :pinch:)
Receiver is a Yamaha RX-V375 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B981F38)
The new living room area is a rectangular basement room right at 30' x 12' and we'll be watching the tv from about 9-10 ft away across the short side.
No rear channel before. It was solely running on the speakers I mentioned before: 2 fronts, center, sub.

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May i ask why you never connected rear speakers??

Reason being, the rear speakers didn't have to be the greatest , but it would have taken the void out of the sound effects. Saying that, any reasonable speakers you had lying around would have sufficed for rears at the time:D
Plus some amps will give an error or just won't switch into Digital modes because it is not reading connections of the proper amount of speakers connected..(Will sit in a fake/mock Pro Logic mode and put void sound through speakers not intended for the sound effect:cry:)..
Some people that can't wire them because of the obstructions in the room, so they just use wireless rear setup so the Amp recognizes the proper connections:D and uses the proper channel switching needed for the sound....
Just some suggestions Skiz......

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Originally Posted by shaina

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Originally Posted by Skiz

I hadn't really considered that but it sounds like a good idea. I think I'll hold off then on buying some of that until I'm ready to do it all at once. I'm looking to swap out the 46" tv that I have right now with a new 60" and buy the Monitor 70's at the same time. (new monitor has set me back quite a bit :pinch:)
Receiver is a Yamaha RX-V375 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B981F38)
The new living room area is a rectangular basement room right at 30' x 12' and we'll be watching the tv from about 9-10 ft away across the short side.
No rear channel before. It was solely running on the speakers I mentioned before: 2 fronts, center, sub.

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May i ask why you never connected rear speakers??

Reason being, the rear speakers didn't have to be the greatest , but it would have taken the void out of the sound effects. Saying that, any reasonable speakers you had lying around would have sufficed for rears at the time:D
Plus some amps will give an error or just won't switch into Digital modes because it is not reading connections of the proper amount of speakers connected..(Will sit in a fake/mock Pro Logic mode and put void sound through speakers not intended for the sound effect:cry:)..
Some people that can't wire them because of the obstructions in the room, so they just use wireless rear setup so the Amp recognizes the proper connections:D and uses the proper channel switching needed for the sound....
Just some suggestions Skiz......

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Multiple reasons. 1) I'm not sure that I care about surround sound, even now. 2) It was a rental house and the living room was small and didn't really have a proper setup for surround. 3) Again, being a rental, I didn't want to buy any major purchases for that house and then have buyers remorse if I wanted something different in a new house a year later.

No void in sound effects. I went through the receiver setup and pointed everything to the speakers I had connected.

A solid, seamless wall of sound is the most important. Setup properly, the rears (and sides) can add extra dimension and immersion. Done poorly, it is irritating. :)

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

A solid, seamless wall of sound is the most important. Setup properly, the rears (and sides) can add extra dimension and immersion. Done poorly, it is irritating. :)

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To a point.... As rears are sound effects not voice...(remember he has 5.1 amp not 7.1... hens no sides needed at this point in time), but having no rears is better regardless if they are just medium level speakers ??? Having a void in sound or having the sound reverted to other channels is worse in my opinion ...
Spending large amounts of money on rear speakers in not necessary.... But having none, you might as well just buy a sound bar:)
What ever you think ....
You are the Guru Pitka:D
Good luck Meg...

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Originally Posted by shaina

Multiple reasons. 1) I'm not sure that I care about surround sound, even now. 2) It was a rental house and the living room was small and didn't really have a proper setup for surround. 3) Again, being a rental, I didn't want to buy any major purchases for that house and then have buyers remorse if I wanted something different in a new house a year later.
No void in sound effects. I went through the receiver setup and pointed everything to the speakers I had connected.

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Reverting sound/channels is the same as a void, meaning the effect is not broadcasted in the room where it is supposed to be, changing settings on the amp is not going to change that...Up to you...
As for not making any big purchases for the rental was really smart Skiz:yup:...Room settings may change what you really want in the end:D
But it still makes no sense why you didn't at least buy reasonable bookshelf speakers for the rear?? The comment i said before, you may want all new stuff for the man cave, and you could have used the equipment you have now in a different room...
And a size of a room means nothing when it comes to surround sound, you build the sound for the room regardless what room it is...
And if you say you are not that interested ?? Why ask?? I guess the answer to that may be the excitement of the new house and all:D

I think you are in good hands With Meg...
Congrats on the new home:yahoo:

Skiz is actually quite smart with his purchases. Never seen him just waste money- even the speakers he was/is considering selling he'd get half his money back out.

I say just move those former fronts to the rears, add the 70/75's and enjoy. Nothing wasted; nice system built.

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But it still makes no sense why you didn't at least buy reasonable bookshelf speakers for the rear?? The comment i said before, you may want all new stuff for the man cave, and you could have used the equipment you have now in a different room...
And a size of a room means nothing when it comes to surround sound, you build the sound for the room regardless what room it is...
And if you say you are not that interested ?? Why ask??

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You don't listen very well do you? :pinch:

Yes, I suppose that if I really wanted to I could have put in rear speakers. I could have run some wiring up a 15 ft wall to the top of a vaulted ceiling, across the living room, and split to two speakers. I could have put in bug ugly brackets to hang rear speakers from that would have been suspended in a really odd place and looked stupid as fk all for some rear sound effects for the half dozen movies I watched in that room over 3 years. It was a small, temporary rental place and we had no place for side tables or stands. Trust me, there was no place for them without it looking awful. Plus, the missus would have had none of that shit on the ceiling.

And I didn't ask. I said I was considering getting the Monitor 70's and selling the rest to get back to a 2.0 system.

I guess I even missed the part about going to 2-channel. You'll have a nice working set of Polks, if you change your mind...

What is your new room like?

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Originally Posted by Skiz

I hadn't really considered that but it sounds like a good idea. I think I'll hold off then on buying some of that until I'm ready to do it all at once. I'm looking to swap out the 46" tv that I have right now with a new 60" and buy the Monitor 70's at the same time. (new monitor has set me back quite a bit :pinch:)

Receiver is a Yamaha RX-V375 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B981F38)

The new living room area is a rectangular basement room right at 30' x 12' and we'll be watching the tv from about 9-10 ft away across the short side.

No rear channel before. It was solely running on the speakers I mentioned before: 2 fronts, center, sub.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

I guess I even missed the part about going to 2-channel. You'll have a nice working set of Polks, if you change your mind...

What is your new room like?

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It might have been a bit ambiguous but going back to 2 speakers was what I meant in this post.

30' X 12' is a substantial room. Would work nicely as a theater, but if cables are a deciding factor, I'd still keep your sub and center channel for movies. Those 45's would be suitable in any room that you want nice sound in. Some receivers are even setup to switch to another room (for parties, while reading a book, cleaning, whatever). Cables can be hidden fairly well along carpet/trim.

Of course, this is all your personal choice. I would keep those 45's simply because you'll have a really nice set. Might even decide to sell everything at some point. Matched sets are a plus for that- most people do want home theaters.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

Skiz is actually quite smart with his purchases. Never seen him just waste money- even the speakers he was/is considering selling he'd get half his money back out.
I say just move those former fronts to the rears, add the 70/75's and enjoy. Nothing wasted; nice system built.

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I don't resell things i buy , so when you say someone will give him half his money back for speakers, i wish him all the best.
And it was never a question on intelligence of buying something?? More of a common sense thing that when you buy a surround amplifier on the assumption you want surround, your initial purchase would start with 2 fronts, center channel , and 2 rears, the sub is a bonus.. To me that makes sense???
I myself move stuff around in my house because i am happy with my purchases:D
Example... If i choose to buy a new amp for my family room(usually has the best i purchase there) , the one i have in there, i replace it in another room..
Why you ask??
Because if i do sell something(The prices you say you can get, ain't happening here!!!and to have people calling and busting my chops, just not worth it), i can use the equipment to up-scale somewhere else in the house, and that works for electronics, as for speakers ?? That can't happen:cry:, Your talk is based on building a home theater rooms... That is not what i do, I take the room that i actually use every day and design that to have optimal sound, again big difference!!!
So as i said Tower speakers will not work in my bedroom, but if i want to use them in another room great if not basement bound they go:D for if i spend thousands of dollars on speakers and someone offers me pennies?? I will let them rot before i sell them (especially if they are mint still)..

As for your advice to Skiz...I don't see a problem with your advice , he didn't purchase a surround setup in the first place. So there is no waste ...

PS. Good luck on explaining wires and cables :D

Regards
Shay

So I think I've tentatively decided on the basics of what I'll do. At some point here in the coming months I'll get the 60" TV and Monitor 70's. I'll connect everything but the rears. I'll see how it all sounds and stick with that for a bit. Speakers will look weird on the basement ceiling seeing as they're under 7 ft high. I'd prob need to find some stands.

New monitor just arrived. Gotta go play w that. :)

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But it still makes no sense why you didn't at least buy reasonable bookshelf speakers for the rear?? The comment i said before, you may want all new stuff for the man cave, and you could have used the equipment you have now in a different room...
And a size of a room means nothing when it comes to surround sound, you build the sound for the room regardless what room it is...
And if you say you are not that interested ?? Why ask??

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You don't listen very well do you? :pinch:

Yes, I suppose that if I really wanted to I could have put in rear speakers. I could have run some wiring up a 15 ft wall to the top of a vaulted ceiling, across the living room, and split to two speakers. I could have put in bug ugly brackets to hang rear speakers from that would have been suspended in a really odd place and looked stupid as fk all for some rear sound effects for the half dozen movies I watched in that room over 3 years. It was a small, temporary rental place and we had no place for side tables or stands. Trust me, there was no place for them without it looking awful. Plus, the missus would have had none of that shit on the ceiling.
And I didn't ask. I said I was considering getting the Monitor 70's and selling the rest to get back to a 2.0 system.

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Out of all of your post, where did you mention you want to go back to a single channel system???

You don't explain very well is the better answer...
Getting that out of the way ....
Your purchase was a surround sound amp and 2 front speakers , a center, and sub-woofer!!
Did you buy it at Costco or a Grocery store??
I assume you went into a stereo store and talked to a salesman and he asked you about the room you were putting the half surround system in right??
My point was if you read my post, you could have purchased rear satellite speakers (wireless!!!!) and stands to complete the proper setup...
And by Megs explanation you are crafty or have connections to sell middle line equipment and get good money back:rolleyes: or even better you could have put 2 screws in the wall behind you and hung up 2 satellite speakers as well, or you could buy a wireless modulator to run the rears of your choice.....Simple and Done!!!

If you went even to a Bestbuy to purchase, Even the young dummies that work there know that....

So before you say i Don't listen ??? Say you were thinking of going back to a single channel system!!!

Enjoy your new home Skiz:D
And do what the fuck you want!!!

Geesh, Shay. Not sure what has set you off. Skiz was simply asking me to revisit his stereo system since he's moved into his new house. The advice I gave was quite simple. How about we start a new audio thread and we can talk about non-Skiz stereo there. I'll discuss any aspect you'd like.

Very little of what you've said has any interest to Skiz...

I'd like to learn more about that new surround sound you kids are listening to these days. Back in my day, we had Prologic, and we were grateful...

@Skiz, do you know where your couch, furniture, and television are going to be setup (they might already be)? Pics would help me get an idea of what might work best for a future surround system, if you want to send those to me privately.

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I'd like to learn more about that new surround sound you kids are listening to these days. Back in my day, we had Prologic, and we were grateful.

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Now you are gonna become an interior designer/decorator :lol: :thumbsup:

Is it an American thing to call Basements, Living Rooms?? I heard of Rec/Recreation rooms in basements?? I thought Living Rooms are on the main floor to have conversations with friends?(to me a useless fucking room with no TV in it:whistling), Is the laundry room where you tinkle??

He can't even use the pro logic setting properly on his setup anyways:D
And what is 2.0?? Two speaker setup is Mono in the prehistoric days(or single channel mock stereo:lol:) , is the new 2.0 new sound technology or something??

There is nothing to talk about anymore I am all surround sound out!!!! Lets talk Atmos:lol:

And as i remember i am a little older than you :01:...

Good luck Martha Stewart:D

Interesting living/family room setup:D Welcome to the Atmos World:yikes:
But the decorating needs the Martha Stewart touch:D
And i wonder when you turn the volume up, does it make your nipples hard:whistling

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I think these are just your basic speakers :noes:

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@Skiz, do you know where your couch, furniture, and television are going to be setup (they might already be)? Pics would help me get an idea of what might work best for a future surround system, if you want to send those to me privately.

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Basement pics here - http://imgur.com/a/Avh9J

Just finished painting and still getting things moved around, but this is the basic layout of the couches and TV area. That's a 46" in the current pic. The new TV will be a 60" and mounted on the wall. I'm thinking the Polk M70's can slide right in on the left and right sides. The center channel can sit on the middle of the stand/entertainment center thing, and eventually maybe the rears can go on stands? I'm having a tough time picturing the rear speakers looking good tho so not sure yet if I really want that.

Keep in mind that the ceilings are only about 7 feet high down there at the very most. I'll measure tomorrow when I get a sec, but just thinking out loud, the 45B's are 16" tall. If they were ceiling mounted, they wouldn't even leave enough space to walk under them and would generally just block your vision of the full room when you went downstairs. If I decide to use them, I'm thinking really short stands would be the way to go? Thoughts? It may not be optimal but whatev. What do you think about....2 ft tall stands near the couch...24" + 16" puts the top of it at 40", so a bit higher than the back of the couch. :idunno:

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Basement pics here - http://imgur.com/a/Avh9J

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Damn. Wish I had that kind of space but would have to lose the cat regardless.... I too am from a prologic (meg) world so therefore far out of date (who need 5:1 really). Them ears don`t work so well when old anyway but sure your man cave will work out sweet :)

Prologic was actually a very clever, early system. It used two channels for the main speakers, then took everything that was common to both channels and sent that to the center channel. Surround information was derived from an out-of-phase track in the audio. Granted, not discrete digital like you youngsters have :P , but was pretty cool by design.

Spent over £1000 on my AV amp back in the day. My Denon Prologic AV Amp has not let me down for about 20 years now. You get what you pay for

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Basement pics here - http://imgur.com/a/Avh9J

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Damn. Wish I had that kind of space but would have to lose the cat regardless.... I too am from a prologic (meg) world so therefore far out of date (who need 5:1 really). Them ears don`t work so well when old anyway but sure your man cave will work out sweet :)

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And that's leaving about a third of the room (or more) out of the pic. It's long as fk. :smilie4:

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Damn. Wish I had that kind of space but would have to lose the cat regardless.... I too am from a prologic (meg) world so therefore far out of date (who need 5:1 really). Them ears don`t work so well when old anyway but sure your man cave will work out sweet :)

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And that's leaving about a third of the room (or more) out of the pic. It's long as fk. :smilie4:

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I don't think you'd get bad results attaching the rears to your wall about 4 ft to each side of the couch, about 2-3 ft above the listening position. Nobody wants a speaker right in their ear. My rears are all the way back in the corners of my room and it works out fine. Let me know if you'd like any more details, Skiz.

Alrighty then. I may wait until this summer to get fully settled in and then buy the TV and M70's. After that, I'll see how things go and decided on what to do with the 45B's.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

Prologic was actually a very clever, early system. It used two channels for the main speakers, then took everything that was common to both channels and sent that to the center channel. Surround information was derived from an out-of-phase track in the audio. Granted, not discrete digital like you youngsters have :P , but was pretty cool by design.

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In laments terms.... Voice/Speech was channeled to center speaker front two speakers sound effects according to screen image and rear two speakers mono sound effects went in and out of the picture/image:), sub was a bonus for Boom Boom!!!(passive or fancy powered at the time)

Dolby Digital 5.1 made all five channels independent hens rear 2 rear speakers now independent sound effects. Made a huge difference in sound and a massive break through in technology :unsure:

Gribley.... I hope when you bought the Denon amp, they gave you a deal on the best matching laser-disc player :) :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

I don't think you'd get bad results attaching the rears to your wall about 4 ft to each side of the couch, about 2-3 ft above the listening position. Nobody wants a speaker right in their ear. My rears are all the way back in the corners of my room and it works out fine. Let me know if you'd like any more details, Skiz.

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What are these things?? When did they start making such innovative products??:rolleyes:

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And Wow!! they even make them 2 way and paint-able now!!

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What are these things??

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Hell if I know. :huh:

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Hell if I know. :huh:

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Well if i were you, I'd learn fast and based on your setup (yes i took a glance at your basement rec room photos :whistling), may work pretty good:D

Plus i put the front 2 speakers on stands a little further away from your viewing screen and adjust volumes to liking :D (Put your ass in the center of viewing area when adjusting so it will balance the sound effects :D)

Rear speakers should be behind your sitting area period(or you are just bouncing the sound back to the front wall (or that nice door opening you have there as well:rolleyes:)remember not a theater room it is a rec room!!! you want to make that section of the basement your tv area :D), hens with your couch being against the wall, in- walls may work better, and volumes could be adjusted on distance....:)
Edit.... Am i blind or something?? where is the center channel speaker??

Just some suggestions Skiz....

PS.. Are you a real clean freak or something Skiz(avoided the word anal:whistling), but it does look really nice for a rec-room/family room

congrats again :D

Shay

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I don't think you'd get bad results attaching the rears to your wall about 4 ft to each side of the couch, about 2-3 ft above the listening position. Nobody wants a speaker right in their ear. My rears are all the way back in the corners of my room and it works out fine. Let me know if you'd like any more details, Skiz.

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What are these things?? When did they start making such innovative products??:rolleyes:

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And Wow!! they even make them 2 way and paint-able now!!

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Unfortunately, in-wall speakers sacrifice sound quality in order to 'improve' aesthetics. I have never heard an in-wall I would rate as comparable to a real speaker. If speakers could do an acceptable job without air behind the driver, we'd see much thinner speaker boxes. And, yes, I'm QUITE familiar with planar speakers (enjoyed my Magnapans!) All speakers with small amounts of air behind the drivers sound like small speakers- and they cost more, usually.

I do not recommend this approach. Honestly, when people enter a room and see a home theater setup around a television, it is usually expected to see speakers in the room.

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I do not recommend this approach. Honestly, when people enter a room and see a home theater setup around a television, it is usually expected to see speakers in the room.

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As for in wall speakers the ones i am using are a hell of lot better than your so called traditional speakers you think are great ...I guess it depends on what you want to spend and what look you are looking for when you do walk into a room:D
I prefer the theater room sound without going to a basement built one:D , i guess it is everyone's own choice and opinion.
To me a universal room should look like that, but have the luxury of a great sound and experience when watching a movie or show if you choose too:D

Rear speakers for any surround setup should be behind your seating hens rear speakers not side or bouncing sound of the front wall :idunno:, how it is achieved has a lot of variables when it is not a dedicated theater room..

PS. Would i use in-wall speakers in a theater room??? Chances are no... Why?? Because you can buy way cheaper traditional speakers to compare the sound and quality you have to spend for in walls, but myself or skiz is not building a theater room, he is building an isolated area in a large room , and trying to get the best sound and effects for a surround sound set up....

Just my way of thinking :D

Meg... You really have to get out there more and really check out what is available if you want to spend, and achieve what some people really want today..(not what you have isn't great:D i will take your B & W's but the rest you can keep:whistling)..
What if you live in a 5000 square foot open concept condo?? and you want to build an isolated area for surround sound and viewing?? Your methods are great in a isolated room but not open concepts or rooms with other functions or obstacles that can't be removed or changed:)

To each there own i guess...

If you notice, Skiz isn't really interested in blowing a bunch of money on this. Remember the client. You seem to be leaving his needs/wants out of your suggestions...

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If you notice, Skiz isn't really interested in blowing a bunch of money on this. Remember the client. You seem to be leaving his needs/wants out of your suggestions...

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Again match in-walls to what he has now or what he wants to end up with..For cost of In-walls to match the specs of his speakers(not high end and no offense is intended to that comment:D) should be on his budget, and being honest... how many times is he going to change once it is all set up??
So my thought's and thinking were on both to be honest:yup: , also thinking on the obstacles of the room placement he showed, not just a dedicated room for theater:D...

Today you do have to shop around and really look, and i have faith on Skiz finding the best deals for what he really wants not what i or yourself want or think is great....



I mean come on now!! Do you even see a center channel hooked up now??:idunno:
Even if that is not his permanent setup now?? He is not even using what he has now:cry:
Unless i am blind and i can't see in the pictures he posted?? Which i did say is a beautiful rec-room/family room not living room right:D

You could even teach him that he can use RG6 wire and buy the proper ends for what he uses it for(knows where there is a home depot or lowes around:whistling):D
Easy to fish and not bad shielded/insulated wire to use for long runs :D

I don't think the wire we use is in his budget :unsure:

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I don't think the wire we use is in his budget :unsure:

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I use my spare runs to interrogate neighbors on whose dog is shitting in the street in front of my house.

Alright, I want to, but my surveillance cameras will find the evil pooer. :ermm:

You know what Skiz....
Idol inspired me on a solution for you!!!
Purchase your TV you really want, then go out and buy 4 pairs of really good wireless surround sound headphones (use for wife kids friends :D), look online and find 4 way splitter for the phono jack on your amp, and away you go:D
No worries of placement or what does or doesn't work:idunno:

Now you can even use them for your pc or whatever you want... Heck you can purchase ones with voice feature and answer your phone if it rings..
And of course sell your speakers for great money and use it for buying the headphones :D

Just a thought??:unsure:

In wall speakers? Nope. Concrete wall. :)

And I'm not even using what I have now? Broski...have you even been reading the posts? The shit isn't even plugged in. The center channel is in a box right now. The subs cord in the pic is bundled up and sitting on top of it. The TV isn't on the wall. The TV stand is 6" away from the wall. As I said before, we just finished painting and most of our things are still in boxes. This is just the basic layout of how things will be.


If you're interested in the old pics of the previous layout (as of the previous house with everything connected), it can be seen in the earlier posts in this thread.

edit: And no, I'm not building a dedicated theater room. It's just a room where my main tv is. I couldn't really give a shit about surround sound, but since mbm mentioned that since I was going to buy the M70's, why not just hook up what I have instead of selling it off. That sounded like a good idea. If I have to buy more shit to make it work, then I'll just not do it and be perfectly content with that. So like I said earlier, I'll prob just buy the M70's, then connect the center and sub and be done with it. I may add the rear channels later.

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I use my spare runs to interrogate neighbors on whose dog is shitting in the street in front of my house.
Alright, I want to, but my surveillance cameras will find the evil pooer. :ermm:

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Now that is funny:lol::lol::cry1::cry1::lol::lol:
I only have one camera in the front of my house :D(view on all the tv's in the house) Also when you ring my door-bell, it rings on the phone lines in the house someone is at the front door
(technically called a Tele-Door:happy:), That is to separate the Food deliveries from the solicitors:whistling..
But there is a few neighbors with dogs on my street and i just use a shovel and flick it onto my next door neighbors lawn when i see them:whistling
But in all honesty most of them bring bags with them :noes: And i always blame the neighbors, because they don't explain to the nannies walking the dogs that they are responsible to pick the shit up and bring it home for them to dispose of it??:idunno:
Or it could be a language thing??:)

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In wall speakers? Nope. Concrete wall. :)

And I'm not even using what I have now? Bruh...have you even been reading the posts? The shit isn't even plugged in. The center channel is in a box right now. The subs cord is bundled up and sitting on top of it. The TV isn't on the wall. The TV stand is 6" away from the wall. As I said before, we just finished painting and most of our things are still in boxes. This is just the basic layout of how things will be.

The old pics of the previous layout (as of the previous house with everything connected) can be seen in the earlier posts in this thread.

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Oh.. My bad Skiz!!:D
How long have you been in the new house then??
Once my bedroom and family room furniture was in the tv was going on the wall and all the rooms with surround were being setup (By me of course:D).
The rest of the shit i left for my wife to do:D
Sorry but that might be a spoiled thing:whistling, my basement is not finished for i live in a 5 bedroom house, so i didn't need to rush (now over 10 years later and it is still a storage facility in my basement:whistling)
My apologies Skiz...
As for in-walls... There are low profile wall speakers that also have come down in price Skiz and they have the air Vents that Meg thinks are important:D
I am just trying to make a suggestion that the speakers are kind of placed in the right spots...
My actual family room is about the size you are speaking of with windows and door openings, fireplace, that had to be dealt with....Not a square or rectangular box..

Just suggestions Skiz... In the end it is your money and you have to live with it not me:D

PS. as i just took a peek again at the photos it looks like something on the top of the sub-woofer, but it also looks like a wire coming away from the back of it..
And i assume you do watch tv there now right?? Why wouldn't you hook that up right away tells me you really are not a big fan of surround sound anyways ...
So whatever you do will be exciting and new for you:D
Again my apologies for jumping the gun and thinking you are really interested in surround sound...

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In wall speakers? Nope. Concrete wall. :)

And I'm not even using what I have now? Broski...have you even been reading the posts? The shit isn't even plugged in. The center channel is in a box right now. The subs cord in the pic is bundled up and sitting on top of it. The TV isn't on the wall. The TV stand is 6" away from the wall. As I said before, we just finished painting and most of our things are still in boxes. This is just the basic layout of how things will be.

Answer... I get it now on the move in thing for you Skiz:D But don't your walls have studs and insulation in them??? You are telling me the drywall is glued to the concrete??


If you're interested in the old pics of the previous layout (as of the previous house with everything connected), it can be seen in the earlier posts in this thread.

Answer.... Don't give two shits because it is no use to anything you are doing now:D

edit: And no, I'm not building a dedicated theater room.

Answer.... I know and understand completely!! but what you have now is not that bad and just need to add a few more
things to make it work in the space you are using it:D , as i keep repeating it is a universal room and you should treat as such and not make it so obvious that you walk into a rec-room and you are bombarded with stereo shit!! , but when you turn it on the sound will be pleasant in the area you sit to watch a movie or show..
I get it !!!!!! Does Meg is the question??

It's just a room where my main tv is. I couldn't really give a shit about surround sound, but since mbm mentioned that since I was going to buy the M70's, why not just hook up what I have instead of selling it off. That sounded like a good idea. If I have to buy more shit to make it work, then I'll just not do it and be perfectly content with that. So like I said earlier, I'll prob just buy the M70's, then connect the center and sub and be done with it. I may add the rear channels later.

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Now the last comments...

Well to let you in on a secret Skiz?? For you to set up properly it is going to cost you money!!!
But once it is done and the money is spent,the purchases will not have to be replaced for a very very long time (by your comments on surround sound now you don't give a shit really:D)
If i were you before you go buy anything at all!!! set up what you got and listen to it (the tv size means shit at this point so don't worry about that!!), put your ass in the middle seat of the viewing and see if you like it!!

That would be my first suggestion before you spend one penny!!! or even a nickle(Vegas term :lol:) :D

Then report back feedback on what you are hearing and what you are looking for???

To me that makes the most sense...Other than the Headphone thing i mentioned :whistling

Regards
Shay

No worries.

Nope. Not watching tv down there right now. No time for it right now really. We have the 37" tv in the bedroom set up so I'll watch that for a few mins at night. Otherwise, work and house shit has kept us plenty busy.

We picked up keys on the 29th I think. Started testing paint colors and started actually painting the 31st. 2K sq ft and we painted every inch so it took about 4 days. After that's it's been moving and more moving, plus cleaning out the old place. Getting things done slowly like putting up blinds, setting up office, etc. Slow going... that's why there no real rush on any of this stuff. I did get my new 34" ultrawide curved monitor in yesterday tho and I'm super stoked about that. Never thought I'd give up having dual monitors but this will run two windows easily and gaming on it is the absolute tits!! :O

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No worries.
Nope. Not watching tv down there right now. No time for it right now really. We have the 37" tv in the bedroom set up so I'll watch that for a few mins at night. Otherwise, work and house shit has kept us plenty busy.
We picked up keys on the 29th I think. Started testing paint colors and started actually painting the 31st. 2K sq ft and we painted every inch so it took about 4 days. After that's it's been moving and more moving, plus cleaning out the old place. Getting things done slowly like putting up blinds, setting up office, etc. Slow going... that's why there no real rush on any of this stuff. I did get my new 34" ultrawide curved monitor in yesterday tho and I'm super stoked about that. Never thought I'd give up having dual monitors but this will run two windows easily and gaming on it is the absolute tits!! :O

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Sounds great!! (And a lot of bloody work you guys did!!:D)

And it is funny that now i watch more in my bedroom than i do in the family room. It could be because my wife hogs the family room to watch her shit and i get stuck in the bedroom or the 5th bedroom, i am in now that has my PC , Media Server and a smaller surround setup (from moving shit around when i upgrade the family room every once and a while LOL!!).
And i know from most of your postings you are into gaming and stuff (computer related), my boys don't really leave there rooms because of that :D(one with a MSI laptop and the other just built a new PC mid Tower(i helped a little:whistling)
One just bought (went with him) a new Logitech mouse G502 Proteus Core , i think for playing Rainbow Six or something??
The mouse i use is about $10 or so:whistling... Like i said not my thing:D

Does the curved monitor come with a built in tuner as well?? or just straight monitor??

Again i just use a shitty 20" lg monitor for PC stuff (and a few laptops around the house), it is not my thing PC gaming:D , and believe me if i need advice about that you would be the one i ask:D

But just to let you know.... When i had my house built, i came in with a hard hat and made markings where i wanted all the surround, cable, internet, satellite and electronic wiring to go before the drywall went up, so i did have a advantage in every room of my house:D
So believe me i know it can be a pain in the ass if something is not pre wired or planed :)
But again i will ask a question!!!!??? Is there no studs or insulation on the foundation walls???? I am assuming there is electric plugs on those walls inside fire/protective boxes right???:idunno::idunno::idunno:

But if i were you I'd be patient and not rush to buy anything until you see what you got...And or maybe use it in another room before you do loose money on selling something and having to replace something similar again:cry:

Regards
Shay

Edit... Now wait a minute....
You just purchased that monitor and i went to the link (really nice!!:D)and you are complaining about spending a few more dollars on surround sound?? I really know where and what your interests and priorities really are now:noes:

Enjoy and all the best on the new monitor Skiz:D