Best unlimited usenet providers?

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Originally Posted by sandman_1

Supernews is Giganews. I would choose neither Supernews nor Astraweb. They are both bad IMO.

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Then again, one needs to figure in internet transit time and data transmission speeds into one's equations; if one is on the west coast of the US (where Astra, Giga, Super are all located at in northern and southern California) vr. other US plants on the east coast, dragging those bits cross country (from, say, UNS or Blocknews as an example, which are both located in 'telecom row' in suburban DC/Virginia) and then adding on to that potential cross-oceanic if going to Europe/Netherlands or such, means that utilizing those as a 'main' feed (rather than as occasional 'fills) really slows things down to a crawl.

So it really is more of a 'mix' of what works for one's particular situation, not a 'one solution fits all', even figuring the preponderance of obfuscated/encrypted postings that are the norm these days. Things do (and have) gotten incrementally better over the years in long-distance transfers, but it isn't quite up to wide open multi-terabit everywhere on the planet quite yet.

Is there any provider that dont remove content ?!

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Originally Posted by usenetfreak

Is there any provider that dont remove content ?!

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Yep, I'm a member of one or two.

Most don't have web sites and as far as I'm aware they're all in the far East so you need a good grasp of a non English/Spanish/French/German language (psst - understanding Cyrillic helps).

You'll find the necessary assistance on IRC if you're persistent enough.

Edit: but you don't really need to go this far - my .ru block account has downloaded <1MB in the last month (against >2TB) because my .com and .eu primaries are more than sufficient.

My understanding is usenetserver was one of the mass highwinds/UNS holdings acquisitions that have taken place over the last few months. They auto-dmca is under 90 (same as giganews, and now readnews (not acquired but using the HW backend system so essentially the same).Giga and readnews don't go to such lengths to hide their subsidiaries whereas highwinds does. They ate up a huge portion of europe this past summer.

Edit- readnews is officially owned by highwinds

Having been a usenet user for decades, I would not touch highwinds again with your bargepole, let alone mine. I tried them as a pay service, and gave up after a few months. I then had teh horrible experience of my ISP handing over their usenet services to highwinds, at which stage it quickly became next to useless.


I used giganews and astraweb for a year or two and both services delivered all that should be expected.
I dropped giganews on cost basis and continued with astraweb to this day which has US and EU POPs and very responsive support on the odd occasions they have been needed.

I wouldn't use them for a number of reasons, not the least is your point. Secondly they are quietly doing the same thing as comcast. Highwinds is working towards owning newsgroups entirely and have just successfully eliminated a huge portion of the european competition.

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Originally Posted by usenetfreak

Is there any provider that dont remove content ?!

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I'll believe it when I see it. lol

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Originally Posted by meatball

My understanding is usenetserver was one of the mass highwinds/UNS holdings acquisitions that have taken place over the last few months. They auto-dmca is under 90 (same as giganews, and now readnews (not acquired but using the HW backend system so essentially the same).Giga and readnews don't go to such lengths to hide their subsidiaries whereas highwinds does. They ate up a huge portion of europe this past summer.

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Besides EuroAccess, who else did they acquire?

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Originally Posted by DngrMs

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Originally Posted by usenetfreak

Is there any provider that dont remove content ?!

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Yep, I'm a member of one or two.

Most don't have web sites and as far as I'm aware they're all in the far East so you need a good grasp of a non English/Spanish/French/German language (psst - understanding Cyrillic helps).

You'll find the necessary assistance on IRC if you're persistent enough.

Edit: but you don't really need to go this far - my .ru block account has downloaded <1MB in the last month (against >2TB) because my .com and .eu primaries are more than sufficient.

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Since you've disabled pm, could you offer any additional clues? Search results aren't turning up much.

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Originally Posted by Hn66

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Originally Posted by DngrMs

Edit: but you don't really need to go this far - my .ru block account has downloaded <1MB in the last month (against >2TB) because my .com (primary) and .eu (block backup) are more than sufficient.

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Since you've disabled pm, could you offer any additional clues? Search results aren't turning up much.

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I've highlighted the important part of my post above. If I need to be explicit I'd follow the advice in many, many threads here and get an Astraweb unlimited account and a Tweaknews (or similar) block account to set as backup. It's not exactly what I use but close enough (I also have a tertiary block provider but as quoted above it's not normally required).

If you can't get what you want then I'd post specific questions about specific NZB's because the above combo will service 99% of the needs of 99% of the population (and I know this with statistical certainty because I know everything).

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Originally Posted by DngrMs

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Originally Posted by Hn66

Since you've disabled pm, could you offer any additional clues? Search results aren't turning up much.

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I've highlighted the important part of my post above. If I need to be explicit I'd follow the advice in many, many threads here and get an Astraweb unlimited account and a Tweaknews (or similar) block account to set as backup. It's not exactly what I use but close enough (I also have a tertiary block provider but as quoted above it's not normally required).

If you can't get what you want then I'd post specific questions about specific NZB's because the above combo will service 99% of the needs of 99% of the population (and I know this with statistical certainty because I know everything).

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I consider myself fairly informed when it comes to NNTP. What peaked my interest was not your discussion of Cambrium (Tweak) or Search Tech (Astraweb), those systems I know, but rather your mention of the existence of .ru providers. I've actually put in some time researching .ru forums and .ru webhosts looking for a free or paid soviet provider that sells NNTP services carrying alt.binaries hierarchy, but so far have not found such a provider. You seem to know of some systems, existing in either .ru .ua .lv .lt .ee . I can't find a paid provider in that region carrying binaries, just the known pubs like neva.ru that just carry text groups. This is where I was looking to you for insight and I assume if there are some established providers that do exist this is better kept private knowledge unless you want it shared publicly.

PM is preferred, but IRC is ok too if you can connect to oftc.net (tor supported)

Thanks for the reply

I use Eweka (dutch usenet) http://www.eweka.nl/en/home/ for my main.

For backup Block account http://perm.ly/dmca Because they have this:

We combine a multitude of different Usenet providers into one single, easy to use service to ensure that your articles and completion rates are up to scratch - nothing but the best is good enough. We are the only Usenet provider in the world having this unique feature and it ensures that we are able to retrieve your articles, even when they may have been removed or DMCAed at other providers.

Dont use high speed account because you dont get full speed! 20mbit is fine or block account.

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Originally Posted by UsenetDude

I use Eweka (dutch usenet) http://www.eweka.nl/en/home/ for my main.

For backup Block account http://perm.ly/dmca Because they have this:

We combine a multitude of different Usenet providers into one single, easy to use service to ensure that your articles and completion rates are up to scratch - nothing but the best is good enough. We are the only Usenet provider in the world having this unique feature and it ensures that we are able to retrieve your articles, even when they may have been removed or DMCAed at other providers.

Dont use high speed account because you dont get full speed! 20mbit is fine or block account.

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Eeweka is a highwinds company. You'd be better off using a local reseller of theirs as at least you'd get better speeds. But I'd definitely recommend moving away from highwinds or their resellers altogether

usenet server=Highwinds

SO what are the current recommended servers to get?

anyone tried Thunder News?

www.thundernews.com

I like NewsDemon. $12/mon for unlimited.

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Originally Posted by DngrMs

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Originally Posted by Hn66

Since you've disabled pm, could you offer any additional clues? Search results aren't turning up much.

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I've highlighted the important part of my post above. If I need to be explicit I'd follow the advice in many, many threads here and get an Astraweb unlimited account and a Tweaknews (or similar) block account to set as backup. It's not exactly what I use but close enough (I also have a tertiary block provider but as quoted above it's not normally required).

If you can't get what you want then I'd post specific questions about specific NZB's because the above combo will service 99% of the needs of 99% of the population (and I know this with statistical certainty because I know everything).

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I'm happy with Astraweb EU and TweakNews just as described above. Tweaknews as fill and it's been working fine for over a year now.

What is easynews like?

Using Eweka which was great up to 6 months ago and now I'm seeing a lot of takedowns similar to Astraweb.
Can anyone suggest an alternative?

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Originally Posted by g1za

Using Eweka which was great up to 6 months ago and now I'm seeing a lot of takedowns similar to Astraweb.
Can anyone suggest an alternative?

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Complain to the posters for being so obvious that they DO get taken down (but most are relying on 'auto-downloaders' to quickly distribute); either that, or perhaps give up on pro-wrestling/organized crime kinda stuff.

Like a lot of folks, I use Astra/Blocknews 'combo' and haven't run into anything 'taken down' in years; and I post almost 24/7 (~20TB+ per year) and have NEVER had anything targeted (and it all still exists back to AUG08/day zero), even 'stuff' that had been nailed every which way from Sunday just a week or two previously.

easynews is good but you need to track thing you like everyday

I'm happy with UNS, but I don't know why there's 1100 + day retention when everything's gone in 24 hours :wacko:

I have been happy with Newsdemon for years

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Originally Posted by vortecks

I'm happy with UNS, but I don't know why there's 1100 + day retention when everything's gone in 24 hours :wacko:

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Define 'everything'. Of course, if your entire worldview is pro-wrestling, then perhaps you may be correct. I did a quick check of UNS and everything I've leeched and posted in the last couple months at least were all there.

I haven't looked back that '1100 days' but that is actually a pretty minimal number compared to the more than double that (back to Aug08) of other top providers, but perhaps good enough depending on the cost.

Ive been using frugalusenet for ages now. Retention is quite short, but you can't beat the price. EU and US servers.

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Originally Posted by bikeboy24

Ive been using frugalusenet for ages now. Retention is quite short, but you can't beat the price. EU and US servers.

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I used to think that as well and I had their $40/yr Black Friday deal. This past BF I discovered usenetbucket which is also unlimited but 1100 days retention for around US$29/yr. I get quite a few "connection closed, retrying in 10 seconds" error messages but it hasn't affected my ability to complete downloads. If I get the same or better deal next BF I'll stick with them, otherwise frugal's the next best.

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Originally Posted by vortecks

Define 'everything'. Of course, if your entire worldview is pro-wrestling, then perhaps you may be correct. I did a quick check of UNS and everything I've leeched and posted in the last couple months at least were all there.

I haven't looked back that '1100 days' but that is actually a pretty minimal number compared to the more than double that (back to Aug08) of other top providers, but perhaps good enough depending on the cost.

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I don't even look at pro-wrestling. I'm constantly getting takedowns of latest releases after 24-48 hours and even one of my obscure posts has been taken down in a week or two. I've been with UNS for many years........ Maybe it's time for a change!

Sickbeard, then it matters not if it gets taken down in a day or whatever. Set it up and when its posted it gets grabbed as soon as its available.

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Originally Posted by vortecks

I don't even look at pro-wrestling. I'm constantly getting takedowns of latest releases after 24-48 hours and even one of my obscure posts has been taken down in a week or two. I've been with UNS for many years........ Maybe it's time for a change!

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Maybe (apparently) not obscure enough. Bad hide technique? I took some time to run a test back several months on UNS/US on posted items (almost 50, ~5TB+) and found exactly one (1) article missing (works out to .0000001% if my math is okay).

That's well within any kind of propagation/transmission problems any plant could have, and obviously zero takedowns. I'd say that you need to rethink how your posts are failing in hiding/password techniques.

These 'auto grabbers' (i.e. Sickbeard et. al.) are only effective if one knows in advance what the filename(s) are, which generally means one needs to get on with a 'pay walled' site that give one a 'heads up' in advance, or you simply grab everything that xxx uploader (who uses a specific 'key' in their file header) in which case you grab everything they post whether you actually want it or not.

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Originally Posted by madjock

Sickbeard, then it matters not if it gets taken down in a day or whatever. Set it up and when its posted it gets grabbed as soon as its available.

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Then it becomes an arms-race. And you're beholden to your indexer to catch the release.

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Originally Posted by piercerseth

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Originally Posted by madjock

Sickbeard, then it matters not if it gets taken down in a day or whatever. Set it up and when its posted it gets grabbed as soon as its available.

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Then it becomes an arms-race. And you're beholden to your indexer to catch the release.

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Eh ? Of course, so when the releases get released in American time, Sickbeard can catch them before the takedowns, how is that a disadvantage ?

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Originally Posted by madjock

Eh ? Of course, so when the releases get released in American time, Sickbeard can catch them before the takedowns, how is that a disadvantage ?

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I was just thinking out loud.

If I'm a copyright agent, what's to stop me from giving Dog et. al a couple bucks and using their infrastructure in the same way for enforcement purposes? Better yet, I could run my own indexing setup with the fancy de-ofuscating regexes and watch the groups in real-time and start forwarding takedowns faster than your head could spin.

Well I think they already do.

Hence why releases like Game of Thrones, Big Bang Theory to name a few are only up for hours.

Thats when password sites come into their own, and why days of non passworded usenet uploads of Bluray series are at an end. Not much use for Sickbeard, but it is the way it is going. I also work away from home, so can't be at my computer 24/7 grabbing downloads, at least with SIckbeard, I just have to use Password sites for 1 or 2 shows to catch up.

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Originally Posted by madjock

Well I think they already do.

Hence why releases like Game of Thrones, Big Bang Theory to name a few are only up for hours.

Thats when password sites come into their own, and why days of non passworded usenet uploads of Bluray series are at an end. Not much use for Sickbeard, but it is the way it is going. I also work away from home, so can't be at my computer 24/7 grabbing downloads, at least with SIckbeard, I just have to use Password sites for 1 or 2 shows to catch up.

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I tried watching your two 'favs', lasted about 10min max on both of them. Blech. Sorry.

But I did do some tests on a couple heavily targeted series and they managed to stay up about a month, so not quite as 'quick on the trigger' as one would think, again, using fairly minimal obfuscation. All of these 'tv' programs are available by rental (both on SD/DVD and HD/Blu) so if one is a 'fan' they can be quite easily processed (unless one is really lazy I guess).

I've yet to have a real 'movie' targeted, unless it was a long (LONG) time ago, as I have a 'test' routine that checks things out heavily back a month or two, and then eventually back several months/years.

I tend to think that anything that relies upon some 'private' web site is doomed to getting hacked, as has been mentioned.

Haha no problems, each to their own.

What I have also found recently, is once you get 720P/1080P WEB-DLs nowadays, there is no great rush for Bluray rips of TV series.

I have tried a lot of the European servers, and for the most, things get taken down a few days after anyone else at best, I am never in that much of a rush to mess with block accounts, as usually in the cases of Remuxes you can hunt thru Binsearch and find what you want if you know what size and where to look.

Films like you say get away for the most, especially if an effort is made to hide.

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Originally Posted by madjock

is once you get 720P/1080P WEB-DLs nowadays, there is no great rush for Bluray rips of TV series.

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On the subject, DIM's recent 1080p encodes are truly something else. Superior to the WEB-DLs. The only thing comparable would be CtrlHD or DON's releases, but those take hours/days longer to show up obviously.

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Originally Posted by piercerseth

On the subject, DIM's recent 1080p encodes are truly something else. Superior to the WEB-DLs. The only thing comparable would be CtrlHD or DON's releases, but those take hours/days longer to show up obviously.

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I've always wondered where DIM get their source from - logo free, great quality. I watched the 1080P Elementary last week and it had DTS sound...

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Originally Posted by renzz

I've always wondered where DIM get their source from - logo free, great quality. I watched the 1080P Elementary last week and it had DTS sound...

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That's the $64,000 question isn't it? Some magical pre-air backhaul only they're privy to perhaps. It was apparent when they pred those huge ass Mad Men caps last year. There was a little kerfuffle a month or two back when a BTN user alleged they were providing sources to p2p groups.

I've used newshosting for years and has been great

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Originally Posted by madjock

Haha no problems, each to their own.

What I have also found recently, is once you get 720P/1080P WEB-DLs nowadays, there is no great rush for Bluray rips of TV series.

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Bluray releases are drying up. I dont know if sales are poor or if the studios would simply rather stream everything but quite a few of the shows I watch did not get a bluray release for their last season. Really disappointing to me at least.

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Originally Posted by madjock

Haha no problems, each to their own.

What I have also found recently, is once you get 720P/1080P WEB-DLs nowadays, there is no great rush for Bluray rips of TV series.

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Bluray releases are drying up. I dont know if sales are poor or if the studios would simply rather stream everything but quite a few of the shows I watch did not get a bluray release for their last season. Really disappointing to me at least.

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Not sure about that, more like no group releases it, or they have not been posted.

What show you talking about ?