Takedowns - Why Are They Still Happening Despite Scrambled File Names

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Originally Posted by shaina

I assume you don't use Plex or any streaming program to sort it out for you on the HD's??

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No, I don't like having my computer second-guess me :P

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Oh well, i am doing all the work!! so i do it my way;)

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This :turned:

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Originally Posted by anon

No, I don't like having my computer second-guess me :P

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Very good:lol:

Plex only needs to be connected to the internet when you add stuff and it downloads the metadata and petty pictures. After that you can shut off your cable modem and stream your video internally using your wifi network. You only need internet for playback if you are away from your house and want to watch something on your phone or tablet.

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Originally Posted by Caballero

Plex only needs to be connected to the internet when you add stuff and it downloads the metadata and petty pictures. After that you can shut off your cable modem and stream your video internally using your wifi network. You only need internet for playback if you are away from your house and want to watch something on your phone or tablet.

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So the data is picked up from them right?? what about some of the early releases we get that in theory shouldn't exists yet?? That make me a bit nervous for someone else to know..And if you were away your server has to be live to stream to tablets etc. and i i know you have to log on as well,that makes sense, it just makes me nervous that Plex goes through your drives to see what is on them...
It was bad enough i was having a problem with one of my kids Xbox360's and i didn't even give any permission to access the hard drive and while i was talking to them on the phone they were making changes and going through the hard drive on the console:fear:
Like i said i think it is great and better/ease in organizing your media, but i prefer to keep what i have internally not on the web. I can tell you i did at one time added the gif's manually for a while, but that didn't last Cabby:crazy:

Metadata is not picked up from Plex but from tvdb.com or The Movie Database. As Plex states on their website, they really don't give a sh!t about what you have in your library and do not log anything. I guess it's up to you whether you believe them or not, but 'd guess someone would have picked up on that over the years if it wasn't the case.

And early releases don't matter -- either the data exists on those other websites or it doesn't. It's not like IMDB only includes info for movies that have already been released on disc.

You're too paranoid in this case. :)

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Originally Posted by Caballero

Metadata is not picked up from Plex but from tvdb.com or The Movie Database. As Plex states on their website, they really don't give a sh!t about what you have in your library and do not log anything. I guess it's up to you whether you believe them or not, but 'd guess someone would have picked up on that over the years if it wasn't the case.
And early releases don't matter -- either the data exists on those other websites or it doesn't. It's not like IMDB only includes info for movies that have already been released on disc.
You're too paranoid in this case. :)

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I read this Cabby, be it true or not still makes me wonder when it comes to 3rd party use of things....

Plex Privacy Issues and The Plan at Emby...

"We cannot tell the future but we do allow you to opt out of our statistics collection.

It is also worth noting that our statistics are very different from theirs. All we are doing is trying to see how many people are using which apps so that we can properly gauge their respective audiences and apply our resources accordingly.

The other guys collect a bunch of stuff about the media you are playing (not actually which media but metadata about it like its format, bitrate, etc.). We have never tracked or collected that and have no plans to."

Just saying, paranoid or not:idunno:

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

I was able to locate a rare photo of Beck38 explaining the importance and value of his massive collection to a passerby.

https://i.imgur.com/40qBAoQ.jpg

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Hahahaha.... Sorry Meg, you sometimes crack me up to the point of blacking out! What a pearl! :wacko: :alien:

#deathbylaughing #alienblackoutdeaththread #dungbeetlesimportance

At the end of the day, i don't think its ever likely you'll get a knock on the door from a copper saying "We found out you were playing Thor Ragnorok on you're PLEX server so have come to arrest you".

They want to stop the source of the distribution and those involved in any profiteering. They would also have to prove that just because the file was called say "Thor: Ragnorok" that it was in fact that...i could name every movie on my Plex server to Ragnorok, it would show up on my Plex playback as that, when in fact I'm watching the latest Barbie cartoon film!


And back to the OP's point, it seems that Usenet is a current target at the moment of the copyright guys, with the takedown of SSL News / Town.ag and associated websites, it looks like usenet has poked it's head up above the wall and is being actively targeted. It will trail off at some point like it has done in the past, new forums will pop up, new new usenet groups will be utilised and even more obfuscation will happen. It's always a game of cat and mouse.

Seems that only recently we've lost the a.b.moovee and a.b.teevee efnet irc groups, well they've probably swapped to something else that they are not letting people know about yet. But they've shut up shop probably to make it harder to find the releases.

WK
(Ex-FST Crew)

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Originally Posted by witchking42

At the end of the day, i don't think its ever likely you'll get a knock on the door from a copper saying "We found out you were playing Thor Ragnorok on you're PLEX server so have come to arrest you".

They want to stop the source of the distribution and those involved in any profiteering. They would also have to prove that just because the file was called say "Thor: Ragnorok" that it was in fact that...i could name every movie on my Plex server to Ragnorok, it would show up on my Plex playback as that, when in fact I'm watching the latest Barbie cartoon film!


And back to the OP's point, it seems that Usenet is a current target at the moment of the copyright guys, with the takedown of SSL News / Town.ag and associated websites, it looks like usenet has poked it's head up above the wall and is being actively targeted. It will trail off at some point like it has done in the past, new forums will pop up, new new usenet groups will be utilised and even more obfuscation will happen. It's always a game of cat and mouse.

Seems that only recently we've lost the a.b.moovee and a.b.teevee efnet irc groups, well they've probably swapped to something else that they are not letting people know about yet. But they've shut up shop probably to make it harder to find the releases.

WK
(Ex-FST Crew)

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This is a huge loss. There's so much preDB stuff already that's nowhere to be found since they shut down

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Originally Posted by shaina

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Originally Posted by Caballero

Metadata is not picked up from Plex but from tvdb.com or The Movie Database. As Plex states on their website, they really don't give a sh!t about what you have in your library and do not log anything. I guess it's up to you whether you believe them or not, but 'd guess someone would have picked up on that over the years if it wasn't the case.
And early releases don't matter -- either the data exists on those other websites or it doesn't. It's not like IMDB only includes info for movies that have already been released on disc.
You're too paranoid in this case. :)

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I read this Cabby, be it true or not still makes me wonder when it comes to 3rd party use of things....

Plex Privacy Issues and The Plan at Emby...

"We cannot tell the future but we do allow you to opt out of our statistics collection.

It is also worth noting that our statistics are very different from theirs. All we are doing is trying to see how many people are using which apps so that we can properly gauge their respective audiences and apply our resources accordingly.

The other guys collect a bunch of stuff about the media you are playing (not actually which media but metadata about it like its format, bitrate, etc.). We have never tracked or collected that and have no plans to."

Just saying, paranoid or not:idunno:

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"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"

It depends if you are someone who wants to stay under the radar by not overly exposing yourself

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Originally Posted by nQQ

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they are not after you"
It depends if you are someone who wants to stay under the radar by not overly exposing yourself

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What you said contradicts each other

Paranoid or not, under the radar or not?? I prefer to keep my server off the internet, that is my whole point. To get pretty things and those extras that some of the streaming programs/services offer, you have to connect to there servers, saying they don't collect data?? Well why do you have to make accounts/sign in and why do you have to merry all of your steaming media boxes with them??

The internal streaming program i use now, doesn't make pretty Blu ray covers nor get movie or tv info, i make my own folders and do everything manually, so everything on my server drives never see the internet nor can be traced. I know and understand that those other streaming programs don't need to be connected to the internet to work, so what is the main point to them?? Do they have the proper programs/codecs etc.. built in to get you the best sound and picture?? or do they mux or convert a Movie or Show format according to there so called best performance??
Would be the same as my internet provider... They know i am downloading things, and can track how much, but they don't know what:sly:

To end any debate and not saying anybody is right or wrong , i have to be happy what i use, for myself, and what i think is best for internally stream to the equipment in my household, that is why trying to compare to others peoples setup is difficult if you are not comparing to the same audio and visual equipment specs (not intending to be technical by any means to others).
You could say different strokes for different folks, and if you are happy what you use great:)
I am open and i am willing to try/test other things out and see if i can better the quality of streaming or make it more efficient without losing quality, but i will not change my principals or sacrifice putting my servers online/internet for the sake of pretty covers and a pretty home page....
But i am tinkering always:)

On another note....
There is a ton of 4k/Ultra HD stuff being posted out there and i don't see any posted here?? How can that be fixed:D
You can go crazy and start downloading and streaming some 100gb rips!!(Perfect for Beck38:naughty:) They are out there. Again even with the loss of some of the NZB and Usenet sites, i am not seeing too many if any take downs of Usenet post.....

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.

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Originally Posted by 2501

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.

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What?? Where do you think i am seeing the 4k stuff??
You do know there is other NZB sites out there right:unsure:
And really!! I am not interested, but thanks for the suggestion.....

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Originally Posted by 2501

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.

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Actually, I'd think the opposite in that you would be stupid to do it for anything other than free. If the aim is to make money, it always catches up with you - the sites taken down are often done because the appetite to maximise money by increasing size overly exposes them so that they get discovered and taken down.

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Originally Posted by nQQ

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Originally Posted by 2501

if you can post 100gb stuff you can start a nzb site and earn bank, you would be stupid to do it for free.

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Actually, I'd think the opposite in that you would be stupid to do it for anything other than free. If the aim is to make money, it always catches up with you - the sites taken down are often done because the appetite to maximise money by increasing size overly exposes them so that they get discovered and taken down.

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There is no such thing as a free lunch NQQ;)
There is a cost to do anything, but how you minimize the cost is a different story. All the real good NZB sites there is a small cost, but if you benefit from it? Great!! , and do they get taken down or decide to pack it in?? sure they do:), but there is and always be some other one that pops up;)
This place i wouldn't say is the greatest NZB site (No offense Cabby;)), but they do a great job, and you can still get the basic new stuff out there, and look how long it has been around. And some of the really good ones have methods to try to keep under the radar, but if the "Man" wants you, nothing can stop that...

I would never, and have no interest in opening a NZB or Torrent site, i am just a guy who benefits from others that do, and there are lots out there, some great, and some average, but there is lots to choose from, especially with a small donation or join a bunch, and max out the free limits...

Your choice:)

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

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Originally Posted by 2501

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

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You really think so??

So you think the owners retired and are now living on a private island living the life of kings :rolleyes:

So why don't you open a fresh new site?? You seem to have the idea you get rich doing so??

I know most of the sites i joined were 20-$40us for a lifetime membership (20-25years) and a couple are $10 a year??
To join here it is $100 for 20 years assume there is what, just over 5,000 members that pay:huh:
Now pay the expenses out of that for 20-25 years??

And i hope you are not comparing my finances to someone who ran an NZB site:unsure:, and i don't count other peoples money, i have a hard enough time counting mine;)

Edit: You know i didn't mean to sound disrespectful 2501 (seeing you have been here since 2012), but i think the only question i should have asked you is how old you are??

Of course running a site costs money, for servers etc, but there is a whole world of difference between one that has small subscription or donation options that build a community and one where you are charging a lot and aiming to make money out of it. The point I was making is those that aim to grow big and make as much money as possible risk getting shut down more than one where subs and growth are lower with the aim to be a select club spread through word of mouth.

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Originally Posted by nQQ

Of course running a site costs money, for servers etc, but there is a whole world of difference between one that has small subscription or donation options that build a community and one where you are charging a lot and aiming to make money out of it. The point I was making is those that aim to grow big and make as much money as possible risk getting shut down more than one where subs and growth are lower with the aim to be a select club spread through word of mouth.

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I agree nQQ, most of the better indexing sites i have seen, usually cap so many members so there servers are not bogged down and when they hit the number they want they lock it up. If they don't do that and there members get pissed word gets out fast and they won't last long after that, plus they want to keep expenses down , and they do that like you said keep a small community and make all the members happy;)
I see you joined here and i think it is great:), not sure if this is your primary site for NZB's or not, but the crew and there efforts here to find the quality stuff and get the links out fast are pretty good....
I hope the site works out for you nQQ, and nice to see you in the forums...

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Originally Posted by 2501

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

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The original Newsbin made big bucks (over a million) but ran into legal hassles. They tried to poor mouth it but court documents showed the kind of money they raked in.

The Matrix became the only game in town for the most part. They made millions. They shut down before any legal hassles. Smart move.

Thanks to open source programs like newznab anybody can set up a site. The competition is too fierce for anybody to do what the Matrix did.

This thread seems to have veered on to indexing sites, surely the OP was on about news servers. After all if posts are being taken down from news servers it doesn't matter whether indexing sites continue, as the posts are unavailable. So are takedowns due to programs to download and check the content of files leading to takedown or because there is bots invading indexing sites and using these to verify content that needs taking down?

I'm sure the companies are trying every method possible to remove copyrighted material. The reason why more and more archives are password protected. The problem with that is getting the passwords. The websites that contain the passwords are secret (invite only). Look at all the German websites taken down recently.

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Originally Posted by user3240

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Originally Posted by 2501

nzbmatrix and newzbin both made more money in a few years than you will in a lifetime and they got away with it too.

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The original Newsbin made big bucks (over a million) but ran into legal hassles. They tried to poor mouth it but court documents showed the kind of money they raked in.

The Matrix became the only game in town for the most part. They made millions. They shut down before any legal hassles. Smart move.

Thanks to open source programs like newznab anybody can set up a site. The competition is too fierce for anybody to do what the Matrix did.

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I don't think there any sites that are anywhere near as good as Matrix was, unless there are one out there that are super dooper stealthy secret :)

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Originally Posted by jbloggs

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Originally Posted by user3240

The original Newsbin made big bucks (over a million) but ran into legal hassles. They tried to poor mouth it but court documents showed the kind of money they raked in.

The Matrix became the only game in town for the most part. They made millions. They shut down before any legal hassles. Smart move.

Thanks to open source programs like newznab anybody can set up a site. The competition is too fierce for anybody to do what the Matrix did.

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I don't think there any sites that are anywhere near as good as Matrix was, unless there are one out there that are super dooper stealthy secret :)

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Is that some sort of subtle request with the implied " if there is and you have an invite ...."

Same uploaders who uploaded for Matrix are still uploading for the remaining sites, if anything I would say the number of uploads on Usenet has increased tenfold due to every decent site having their own mass uploads.