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Hey to everyone paranoid or not.
I wish AnonX could be free or atleast cheaper, but the truth is bandwidth cost money and so does setting up Forgien Corporations.
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James
Compression is on our end. I will check our server recent installs to make sure they are turning compression on.
mmm 5.95 USD is a little to pay for a peace of mind... :lol:
Agreed. The price is reasonable and fair for the service provided. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@4 December 2003 - 19:56
mmm 5.95 USD is a little to pay for a peace of mind... :lol:
Six bucks monthly for peace of mind is worth it. JB, thanks for doing all the leg work on this.
no problem. I think this service is good for you if you trade a lot of copyright files, so I am sharing this info with y'all :lol:
I am glad you all think the price is fair for the service we provide.
Three months ago we had 100 of our close friends test out AnonX with every p2p app they could find. They found no bugs.
Two months ago we gave out 1000 comp accounts to college students and forum admins. They all loved the service. And after the trail 92% of them signed up. The biggest concern on our minds was how do we convince p2p users that AnonX is not just another low-end anonymous proxy service. Judging by the emails and messages boards most hardcore AnonX users have put that question to reset.
So, my question to this forum is what are your concerns about a high-end anonymous proxy service like AnonX?
Corop Disclosure Law? Digital Millennium Copyright Act? ???
Our concerns? well first and foremost is anonymity, second is speed, third is ur privacy policies.
looks to me anonx is qualified :lol:
most hardcore p2p users have this misconception that a simple firewall or router will shield them from RIAA/MPAA and in fact they are not anonymous out there. Especially on the internet you trust nothing or anybody.
With the RIAA crackdown, i think ppl became more aware of privacy issues and seeking for ways to protect themselves. I mean, not just on p2p networks. Whenever you are on msn chatting, irc channels chatting or sharing files, on kazaa reading porn ;) , posting the latest games on newsgroups, or sharing fine tunes on soulseek or just writing a simple email your identity is there with you. If you dont mask it, then you are really asking for trouble.
yeah so basically everything you do on the internet is traceable and there will be records of ur activities.
oh yes REALITY has been bugging me with this question, he's too chicken to ask you.
He thinks anonx has US interests?? although i dont fully understand what he means, as the rest of us rarely do understand him lol
hey REALITY why dont you ask him here? i've started it for ya lol
First of your one gOOfy Canuk so STFU. Second I have been talking with him PM prior to dicussing my concers with you which still linger, my questions to you were a sorta "what if", though I guess you missed the point. Anyway I have gotten a fair amount of info from him and am still talkin with him. My point is that if there is US ties within this company then they would be subject to US law I imagine, thus this would concern me and others I'm sure...Quote:
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@5 December 2003 - 01:47
oh yes REALITY has been bugging me with this question
He thinks anonx has US interests?? although i dont fully understand what he means
There are no "official" ties that legaly connect AnonX to the US. AnonX is based in Vanuatu. There other companies for processing the billing and other that purchase large amounts of bandwidth to resell to AnonX. They are based in other places. Good luck tracking them. We have put several layers into the processing structure to aviod legal conflict. I do not want too give to much detail about locations.
that's all we needed to know anonx..thx :lol:
AnonXO,
In the past, I've wasted my money buying into low level Proxy Servers such as the "Anonymizer Tool Bar" (http://www.anonymizer.com). I found that when I tried to go to many internet sites, or log onto some sites for mail, etc. I was refused because my IP address was not presented. Will this problem exist if surfing through your servers?
AnonXO,
In the past, I've wasted my money buying into low level Proxy Servers such as the "Anonymizer Tool Bar" (http://www.anonymizer.com). I found that when I tried to go to many internet sites, or log onto some sites for mail, etc. I was refused because my IP address was not presented. Will this problem exist if surfing through your servers?
Sorry for the dup post.
That's a good question. Can we instruct your program to allow certain traffic to go without proxies so as not to confuse regular sites we go to such as this forum? I also had that problem with a proxy program.
Also, I saw in one of the previous posts that our data transfers will be encrypted. I just wanted to confirm whether or not it is encrypted before the isp gets it. The post seemed to suggest that our isp will not be able to see (at least specifically what the file is) the traffic either way.
Thanks
TD
that's what is so special about this service
it uses virtual private network to connect to the proxy server, which compresses and encrypts your connection completely. Not even ur isp has a clue what you are doing. ;)
no matter what web based program you run, browser, p2p, emails, your ip will be the proxy ip not ur own.
if you wanna use certain service without proxy, simply turn it off ;)
services like anonymizer uses similar proxy system but it's only good for web browsing, not for p2p. and it also blocks cookies so when you go to certains sites you are not allowed to view content. However the ip is NEVER "blocked", it only shows the ip of the proxy you are connected to :lol:
Second questin first,
The traffic between AnonX servers and you is encrypted (128-Bit Stateless.)
The traffic between AnonX servers is bundled and encrypted 2192-Bit Statless.
Frist question
This is a tuff one. I don not recomment this practice, but you can do it. The idea is to port forward curtain types of traffic. Which is possible with XP/2000 but not 98 and ME. It is very easy on a Linux Box.
You can run into the a number of problems. Two of them are
A. If you use random ports with your p2p app you may land on the open port and be exposed.
B. Two if you are a heavy user RIAA or others might be able to expolit the hole by monitoring web site traffic. Trust me SONY can and has hacked routers to find people. That why you are only safe if the data is encrypted between you and AnonX.
and you forward these ports how? on the server side? client side? on my router? :huh:
i run my bt ports high above 10000 range in the past to avoid random isp scans but ineffective against other ppl getting my ip.
so it's a bad thing to mess with bt port settings?
Client side.
Seconly from experince, ISP scan looking for high traffic based on ip then do a complete port scan. They block KNOWN p2p ports and some others to prevent unwanted traffic. ISPs do this not because they are trying to find you but because they realize that p2p eats up alot of bandwidth and they want to maximize the amount of customers they can put on a pipe. Tracking people is a pain in the butt... and ISPs don't want to get envolved unless they told to.
---Anonx
so if i mess with my bt ports and land on "open port" and be "exposed" meaning other ppl can track me now? while using anonx?
i am not sure what you mean :huh:
AnonXO,
I guess I need some clarification also. My understanding is that EVERYTHING from my side must first go through the ISP. This must be true. How else could it reach the Proxy? If that is the case, how can my IP show as the Proxy's IP such that my ISP will not know what is going on?
This is especially meaningful for me, since my ISP is one of the major players in the RIAA consortium.
If the answer is that my ISP will not know what is going on, then I'm gonna look into buying some stock in your company.
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don't have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P
you are not worthy to be on my thread... <_<Quote:
Originally posted by Agent Smith@6 December 2003 - 01:56
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don't have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P
:lol: :shit: :P
You don't need a CC for paypal. The can directly debit from your checking account. You have one of THOSE don't you? :huh:Quote:
Originally posted by Agent Smith@5 December 2003 - 21:56
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don't have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P
First Question,
Chain of Events
Your PC<------>ISP<---------->ANONX<----------->WWW
When you make a request to the www with AnonX you go between your PC and AnonX through an secure encrypted pipe via your ISP. The AnonX servers make all the request to the WWW for you. The AnonX server encrypts your packets and make them look like legetiment VPN style traffic not P2P traffic. Your ISP will see that you are using alot of bandwidth, but as far as they know you are doing alot of work from home VPNing into the office. They can not see what is in the packets to determine what you are downloading. They see you going to an AnonX server for every request.
Now, if ISPs start blocking AnonX addresses we start changing the IP address on a very regular basis. We already have several class C to burn. And have deals with our internet providers to get more on demand.
Second Question,
Are you willing to mail in a payment to an overseas address, which will take two weeks (standard mail)?
You can buy a prepaid credit card setup a PayPal account pay for the AnonX service. This is the best way to be anonymous.
--AnonX
mmm yeah that's how i setup mine... B)
annon could you answer my question?
http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=...ndpost&p=716320
thx ;)
oh yes one more question. mm what software do i use if i wanna make my home computer to be able to initiate a vpn session with other computers? in other words i wanna make it a vpn server?
is there software that does that with personal computers?
because this is way cool :lol:
1. Back to bt and selectively turning on/off portions of the VPN
If you use port forwarding to side step the VPN process, then you are going straight to the Internet. Depending on what you connect to on that port you could open yourself up to be scanned.
2. There are many programs that you can use to create vpn server. There are also VPN black boxes that you can use (Nortel makes them)
Windows 2000 server has a VPN server built into it (pptp and L2P). Windows 2000 professional may have it a well (not sure. They work reasonably well, but as with most Microsoft products they are open to hacking and eat up alot of CPU power. For a P IV 2.4 GHz box you can put about 256 users. As for other windows based VPN products I have not used them and cannot comment on them.
If you are looking for free and have a some time to kill you can jump into the Linux's world and build a Free-Swan box. It is one of the better open source VPNs
Nortel makes a router/NAT/VPN box that you just plug one end into your internet connection and the other into your network. It is easy to configure, but it cost some $$$
Just beware that with Free-Swan, Microsoft, etc are standards that people have tried to hack in the past with man in the middle attacks. The vulnerabilities are well known. If everyone plays nicely then there is no problem, but if you get one rouge user you can be in deep trouble.
Anonx is a proprietary “VPN style” connection we use many of the visible properties of a VPN, but how we accomplish this is very different.
you are not worthy to be on my thread... <_<Quote:
Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+5 December 2003 - 18:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez @ 5 December 2003 - 18:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agent Smith@6 December 2003 - 01:56
Anonx how bout setting up diferant forms of payment. Sadly some of us don't have credit cards to set up a pay pal account. :P
:lol: :shit: :P [/b][/quote]
Why thank you :censored:
so if i run my bt on 13963-13971 and i do a port scan on the proxy server and find them closed i am ok?Quote:
Originally posted by AnonXO@6 December 2003 - 05:53
1. Back to bt and selectively turning on/off portions of the VPN
If you use port forwarding to side step the VPN process, then you are going straight to the Internet. Depending on what you connect to on that port you could open yourself up to be scanned.
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/061203-bt%20ports.jpg
is this what you mean?
:lol:
well probing the server's first 1056 ports i can only find the following ports open: 21, 22, 53, 80, 111, 139, 443, 712, 796. so i guess you only open ports you really need eh? lol
AnonXO,
Thanks for the clarification. I'm a whole lot more comfortable with this approach than many of the other ways discussed on this board. We've been talking about this stuff for quite a while. It sure beats updating PG data bases, modifying ZA xml files, etc.
of course, za blocking list is really not that effective against p2p scans since they can just change ip and scan you anywayQuote:
Originally posted by Bobohiotk@6 December 2003 - 07:57
AnonXO,
Thanks for the clarification. I'm a whole lot more comfortable with this approach than many of the other ways discussed on this board. We've been talking about this stuff for quite a while. It sure beats updating PG data bases, modifying ZA xml files, etc.
getting a proxy service is the real answer to anonymity... ;)
21, ftp
22, ssh
53, domain-name server
80, HTTP
111, sun-rpc
139, netbios-ssn
443, SSL
712, ???
796, ????
I would have to check my notes but the source box on your computer for VPN is 1723. Destination can be anything.......................blablalbalblalbla
Short Anwser...: yes you are okay.
mmm anonxo, just wondering if ur proxy server has any rules regarding uploading/download ratio.
when I use bt i seem to get 1: 1 ratio, my top proxy upload speed seems to top off at 30kB/s or 240kb/s, and so is my download
this was not the case with my own adsl line, ususally i get 150kB/s down while only uploading 30kB/s up...
http://server4.uploadit.org/files/061203-ratiosucks.jpg
This is in no way complaining the service :-"
:lol: :lol:
thx anonxo for answering all our questions ;)
PS errr i checked my connection settings and "enable compression" is checked. so my connection being not compressed could be due to ....mmmm..server side problem? lol ;)
http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg
hey bond,
does this show your ip... if not what does it say.
why should i tell u? can't u read it urself? :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by Death2Uall@7 December 2003 - 01:55
http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg
hey bond,
does this show your ip... if not what does it say.
I know it shows mine but is the IP Spoofer realy works would it not show your ip?
why dont you start by reading this? and stop polluting my thread with useless repliesQuote:
Originally posted by Death2Uall@7 December 2003 - 02:13
I know it shows mine but is the IP Spoofer realy works would it not show your ip?
Do you know if there is any free service for IP hiding?
I do not have the money to pay for it it it is 100 bucks per month ;)
if you want free proxy service then this thread is probably not for you <_<Quote:
Originally posted by internet.news@7 December 2003 - 02:22
Do you know if there is any free service for IP hiding?
I do not have the money to pay for it it it is 100 bucks per month ;)
try this instead http://www.anonymitychecker.com/page1.html
I was just asking how much bucks does it cost?
You know, if I pay I wanna full protection! full anonymity ;)
thanks for the link ;)
Added: Ok, no more flame.