Mobo

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Originally posted by clocker@25 December 2003 - 21:28
Make me an offer.

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Clocker since when did you have brains :huh: :huh: :unsure: ;) :lol:

Merry xmas btw all :D

i still dont noe which mobo to pick...

dawg says the 109&#036; but if u compare the stuff and pix the 108&#036; kinda looks better.. <_<

clocker wt do u think?

http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/sock...8x/p4p8x_l.jpg
^109
http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/sock.../p4p800s_l.jpg
^108

jai go with the 108....

http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/...0s/overview.htm

that one..... it got onboard sdpif on the feckin shield&#33;

also...i dont see the 109 having an 800mhz FSB...

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Originally posted by DWk@25 December 2003 - 21:36
jai go with the 108....

http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/...0s/overview.htm

that one..... it got onboard sdpif on the feckin shield&#33;

also...i dont see the 109 having an 800mhz FSB...

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;) yea i was thinkin about tht one too cuz the overview was highlighted and filled with really good stuff...

also look at the pics i jus posted above.... ;)

Im sure the &#036;109 has 800Mhz cuz it supports 3.2 which I believe is only made in 800Mhz form. It also has dual channel and the first one doesnt. The &#036;109 looks MUCH better due to blue DIMMs

I duno about the Spdi w/e...something about multi media entertainment system. I duno both of them would be fine im sure. Go with what clocker says. I dont know much about Intel boards....I never thought I would go amd lol

P4P8X (Intel 865P) Series
Dual-Channel DDR Memory
AI NET
AI AUDIO
ASUS CrashFree BIOS2
AGP8X
Serial ATA technology
ASUS EZ Flash
^^^^&#036;109

Intel 848P Chipset
Intel FSB800
DDR400
Intel Hyper-Threading Technology
AGP8X Technology
Series ATA
ASUS Wi-Fi slot
^^^^&#036;108
looks like the &#036;109 has a better chipset...Im not posotive about that...I dont thing he will use the speaker spdi thing or w/e newayz..

he hasnt said anything....
but dnt wry he will eventually ;)
we shud hav a poll
109 VS 108 :lol:

oh and one more thing :

ThAnK U evryone FoR ur help U guyz ArE jus GrEaT&#33;

and MeRRy ChrIStmAs

and im getting the 256ddr fx5600 for sure&#33; same with the mobo jus need to decide which mobo :D

EDIT: dawg about the chipsets is the PART i got confused the most cuz its really hard to decide <_<

How much are you paying for the 256MB FX5600?

Its a non ultra also right?

I was looking at some benchmarks...the diff between the 9600Pro and 9700Pro is HUGE..i cant wait&#33; lol

150&#036; CDN
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/...e/10038266.jpg

boxing day rulez B)

EDIT: all the PRICES ARE CDN

how much is 150 CND in USD??

i was never really good at math so im guessing...

110?
120?
100? :blink:

EDIT: jus asked my dad and he said its around 110&#036;

Oh ok....Well I would reccomend this.

Its only 128MB but you dont need 256MB

Its the 9600Pro

Its &#036;140 USD..so a little bit more...

Here you can see that the 9600Pro whoops up on the 5600ULTRA, and yours isnt even an ultra...so you can really see the big difference.

If you dont want to spend a little bit more, then your card will be fine also

Edit: Ok that is a pretty big diff so you prob dont want that. I love those benchies on there...my 9700Pro beats the 5950 Ultra :D :D :D

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 December 2003 - 21:59
Oh ok....Well I would reccomend this.

Its only 128MB but you dont need 256MB

Its the 9600Pro

Its &#036;140 USD..so a little bit more...

Here you can see that the 9600Pro whoops up on the 5600ULTRA, and yours isnt even an ultra...so you can really see the big difference.

If you dont want to spend a little bit more, then your card will be fine also

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lol thts goin a bit too far... lol

mayb next year lol

now back to the MOBO&#33;lol

EDIT: atleast its better than a FX5200 :) so im happy

Ok well if it was me I would get the &#036;109 because of dual channel. I dont know what the hell alot of those features on those Intel boards are though. Good luck

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 December 2003 - 22:02
Ok well if it was me I would get the &#036;109 because of dual channel. I dont know what the hell alot of those features on those Intel boards are though. Good luck

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lol now i wish i had bought an AMD <_<
but im ok for now gona OC to 2.2 or 2.4 so gona be great :D

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 December 2003 - 21:59
I love those benchies on there...my 9700Pro beats the 5950 Ultra

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i have also seen benchmarks where the 5950ultra kicks the ass of the 9800xt, i think it was adamp2p with the link to this

Edit: also the £109 mobo looks better

oh i see the difference....the 108 has 4 ram slots.....4 gigs tops i suppose....oh then i dunno....what u want the pc for?

you could find a 5600 ultra for 120 on pricewatch

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Originally posted by Kunal+25 December 2003 - 15:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kunal @ 25 December 2003 - 15:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@25 December 2003 - 21:59
I love those benchies on there...my 9700Pro beats the 5950 Ultra

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i have also seen benchmarks where the 5950ultra kicks the ass of the 9800xt, i think it was adamp2p with the link to this

Edit: also the £109 mobo looks better [/b][/quote]
haha yeah...the 5950 Ultra beats the 9800XT when the resolution is set to 640X800 on 16bit color and no AA or AF. HAHAHAH ATI is much better at high resolution and filters turned way up..I used to be more an Intel/Nvidia fan. Now im more an AMD/ATI fan. :D

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Originally posted by DWk@25 December 2003 - 22:11
oh i see the difference....the 108 has 4 ram slots.....4 gigs tops i suppose....oh then i dunno....what u want the pc for?

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ok i use the computer for gaming...downloading and i dunt even need pci slots the only pci thing i hav is a NIC card which i wont need <_<

and mr.elmo i will hav to hav S&H and is the price CDN?
and is it 256ddr or 128?

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+25 December 2003 - 22:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx @ 25 December 2003 - 22:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by Kunal@25 December 2003 - 15:09
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@25 December 2003 - 21:59
I love those benchies on there...my 9700Pro beats the 5950 Ultra

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i have also seen benchmarks where the 5950ultra kicks the ass of the 9800xt, i think it was adamp2p with the link to this

Edit: also the £109 mobo looks better

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haha yeah...the 5950 Ultra beats the 9800XT when the resolution is set to 640X800 on 16bit color and no AA or AF. HAHAHAH ATI is much better at high resolution and filters turned way up..I used to be more an Intel/Nvidia fan. Now im more an AMD/ATI fan. :D [/b][/quote]
yea my firend told my tht nvidia graphic cards are great for OPEN GL (3d animation and all tht)

ati is for major gaming but im not gona buy a 9200 over an 5600 256ddr :blink:

no the 5600 is better

nvidia kicks ati in the nuts when opengl is the matter

ati kicks nvidia in the nuts when directx is the matter

the reason why ati have better benchies right now is cuz the market leaned towards directx technology (because of being a more "commercial" type of tech)...

opengl pwns directx though...lets not forget that...

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Originally posted by DWk@25 December 2003 - 22:26
nvidia kicks ati in the nuts when opengl is the matter

ati kicks nvidia in the nuts when directx is the matter

the reason why ati have better benchies right now is cuz the market leaned towards directx technology (because of being a more "commercial" type of tech)...

opengl pwns directx though...lets not forget that...

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yea but what game uses open gl the most?
i heard deus ex 2 does....?

how does it pwn direct x? im not being smart i am curious as to what makes open gl better? lol...whats up with direct x and opengl???? are they just diff forms of graphic displays kinda or what?

Also...what FPS is almost flawless? Like is 50FPS perfect almost..no flaws or jumps?or do I even need 50FPS?

yea 50fps is quite perfect it would also be good as long as the fps is over 35 or so there shudnt really be any jumps or anything

but i prefer 40-50 for perfect
higher is better B)

well i think i jus learnt tht Open GL and Direct X are 2 diff things
i thought tht open gl and direct x sorta worked together or sumthin

i jus noticed sumthin between the mobo only one of them hav a section for overclocking the 109 doesnt hav one? :blink: is it still possible to overclock?

my remark saying that opengl kicks directx is this:

opengl allows the so-called "low-end" gfx cards run games that have REALLY good graphics.... an example of an opengl game is Call of Duty. Its graphics are REALLY good yet the game can run on my mx440 + my tnt2 riva.

however, the case of games being of directx nature, is why we see all these video-card threads lately.... we need ANOTHER graphics card to play new games. Thats why directx is so popular in games now: it makes ppl buy MORE AND MORE cards...instead of keeping their old geforce4 mx cards running the newest games...

this is why ppl always say that you "wont need the 128mb or the 256mb in a long time".... but directx&#39;s mediocre engine makes us go the other way....

v0od0o is gonna come out with the "voodoo6" card (nvidia company), which is gonna take opengl back to the top and stay there....

btw... another examples of games using opengl:
Quake 1-3
Half-Life (well this supports both)
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
RTCW - Enemy Territory
Call of Duty
MOHAA

and they are all GOOD games

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Originally posted by DWk@25 December 2003 - 22:39
my remark saying that opengl kicks directx is this:

opengl allows the so-called "low-end" gfx cards run games that have REALLY good graphics.... an example of an opengl game is Call of Duty. Its graphics are REALLY good yet the game can run on my mx440 + my tnt2 riva.

however, the case of games being of directx nature, is why we see all these video-card threads lately.... we need ANOTHER graphics card to play new games. Thats why directx is so popular in games now: it makes ppl buy MORE AND MORE cards...instead of keeping their old geforce4 mx cards running the newest games...

this is why ppl always say that you "wont need the 128mb or the 256mb in a long time".... but directx&#39;s mediocre engine makes us go the other way....

v0od0o is gonna come out with the "voodoo6" card (nvidia company), which is gonna take opengl back to the top and stay there....

btw... another examples of games using opengl:
Quake 1-3
Half-Life (well this supports both)
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
RTCW - Enemy Territory
Call of Duty
MOHAA

and they are all GOOD games

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yea good info

so its hard to argue between the 2....cuz both hav good side and bad side....

so the fx5600 will work with all of the new games right? (half life 2, DOOm 3)

ohh ok. Well OpenGL sounds good and all..but how the hell does it operate to where an old not so good graphics card can play awesome games?

Is voodoo a separate company from ATI and Nvidia?

AWESOME ABOUT THE FPS&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; Thats means I can play Battlefield 1942 with MAX resolution and 4XFSAA and 8Xanisotropic, and still get 62FPS :D :D :D

yes the 5600 should be FINE.

Also, DWK...are you saying that a FX card that has opengl will run just as good as an ATI card that is alot faster, because of gl on any game? or is that just on OpenGL games?

all cards right now (both nvidia and ati) are opengl and directx compatible AND compliant. This means that they both run the games well. However, nVidia renders opengl games better than ATI&#39;s cards..... ATI renders directx 9 better than nVidia...

no card "has" opengl....

what games are you planning to play?

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Originally posted by DWk@25 December 2003 - 22:51
all cards right now (both nvidia and ati) are opengl and directx compatible AND compliant. This means that they both run the games well. However, nVidia renders opengl games better than ATI&#39;s cards..... ATI renders directx 9 better than nVidia...

no card "has" opengl....

what games are you planning to play?

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PLZ dunt use the WORD "BUY" lol cause tht aint ever gona happen around here lol
i pretty much "BUY" any game tht i think is good... ;)

except i dunt like RPG games alot

i like RACING, FPS, and the rest lol

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx+25 December 2003 - 14:45--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigdawgfoxx &#064; 25 December 2003 - 14:45)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Is voodoo a separate company from ATI and Nvidia? [/b]

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maybe this will help you a little....

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so the fx5600 will work with all of the new games right? (half life 2, DOOm 3) [/quote]

it probably will..... HL2 is coming with a new engine, and im not sure if they are using openGL or not.... i can try looking for info but dont give u high hopes :)

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PLZ dunt use the WORD "BUY" lol cause tht aint ever gona happen around here lol
i pretty much "BUY" any game tht i think is good...&nbsp;

except i dunt like RPG games alot

i like RACING, FPS, and the rest lol

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who said BUY? lol :P
w0ot any titles in particular? or just for new games?

my friend just said that a 9700Pro at best buy was 200....thats crap right?

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 December 2003 - 22:59
my friend just said that a 9700Pro at best buy was 200....thats crap right?

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i havent seen the best buy flyers yet they havent come in <_<

as soon as they come in ill tell u :D
and hes prolly right about tht ;) :P

I duno...newegg always is cheaper and its 220 on there..bestbuy is usually high on gcards...all stores are.

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Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 December 2003 - 23:12
I duno...newegg always is cheaper and its 220 on there..bestbuy is usually high on gcards...all stores are.

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lol but tomo is boxing day evrything is CHEAP so it cud be possible ;)

thts if he lives in canada

He lives a mile away from me...down here in good old tyler, texas.

ok the flyer for best buy is in and it is soo crappy this year they only had one video card on sale which is a 9600pro for 199&#036;

and i found 9600 for 154 at this place link (tht is also the place where im gettin my mobo from)

tht sux shyt&#33;
k now the one on the link is it pro?
and it says OEM shud i get tht instead of the 5600?

ok and about the memory...
i was thinkin about buying 2 sticks of 256ddr
these:
http://www.futureshop.ca/multimedia/...e/10010636.jpg

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and this is at futureshop

and i also might buy a stick of 128ddr from best buy for 4.99 :D

and i still havent decided which mobo to buy&#33; HELP HELP&#33;

EDIT: im not buying one stick of 512ddr cause its FOR 79&#036; :angry:
so buy two 256=60&#036;

i would pay the extra few &#036;&#39;s for the one stick of 512ddr, i would also be tempted to get faster ram- DDR33 atleast or DDR400