lol i still dunt understand how it works :frusty: :frusty:
im only 14 :unsure: :) B)
all i noe in chemistry is the dam periodic table and stuff :ph34r:
u shud draw a diagram and scan it or sumthin or take pictures of ur computer :o
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lol i still dunt understand how it works :frusty: :frusty:
im only 14 :unsure: :) B)
all i noe in chemistry is the dam periodic table and stuff :ph34r:
u shud draw a diagram and scan it or sumthin or take pictures of ur computer :o
i will never forget the little poeple... don;t worrie i think at this pint it is ok for me to metion that i am infact 14... (keep your head high jaigandhi5... anything is possible...)Quote:
lol i still dunt understand how it works
im only 14
all i noe in chemistry is the dam periodic table and stuff
u shud draw a diagram and scan it or sumthin or take pictures of ur computer
for now no, i wil get a patent pending first.. i guess for now i can only assure you that it is big ugly and heavy... lol i think the new casting method i am think of may help...Quote:
u shud draw a diagram and scan it or sumthin or take pictures of ur computer
from what i understand and i might be wrong the liquid flows absorbing great amounts of heat keepthings cool, and the hot liquid evaporates into a take where it is then cooled down angain like a cycle.
cool liquid -> absorbs heat -> evaporates -> gets cooled once again -> repeat
yep that is how it works.. theat is the heatpipe theorim...Quote:
from what i understand and i might be wrong the liquid flows absorbing great amounts of heat keepthings cool, and the hot liquid evaporates into a take where it is then cooled down angain like a cycle.
cool liquid -> absorbs heat -> evaporates -> gets cooled once again -> repeat
:frusty: OMG ur kidding!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@6 January 2004 - 05:29
i will never forget the little poeple... don;t worrie i think at this pint it is ok for me to metion that i am infact 14... (keep your head high jaigandhi5... anything is possible...)Quote:
lol i still dunt understand how it works
im only 14
all i noe in chemistry is the dam periodic table and stuff
u shud draw a diagram and scan it or sumthin or take pictures of ur computer
u must be the smartest kid in skool :o ;)
and ME...i cant get any work/homework/study done/do lol cuz of computers so addicted i love to mod computers but dunt hav the toolz or the money <_< i noe computers hardware ALOT can obviously build computers :lol:
but ur WAY TOO SMART :ph34r: :frusty: :helpsmile:
i dunt belive u :o
how did u come up with it? do u hav any other ideas?
dam u SMART! :01:
im glad i wasn't toatally off, that shows i learned a thing or 2 in highschool chem
tht sorta makes sense but how does the cool liquid absorb heat and how can it evapourate? duz the water hav to be over 100C to evaporate? or sumthin? :frusty: :frusty: :helpsmile:Quote:
Originally posted by Duffman3@6 January 2004 - 05:30
from what i understand and i might be wrong the liquid flows absorbing great amounts of heat keepthings cool, and the hot liquid evaporates into a take where it is then cooled down angain like a cycle.
cool liquid -> absorbs heat -> evaporates -> gets cooled once again -> repeat
well thats the problem 1 we have to find a water additive that will not freeze but will boil as close to zero as we can get
for a time i was in the same place, but i worked my ass off and pulled it together i am not a genuis... i just put things together and this board has all played its part to help me get this idea going... (well not bookworld... yeah not bookworld... :P lol) so dfon't worrie i just ytinkered and happened to hit a gold mine.. play with ideas always consider them... it is fundemental...Quote:
QUOTE (SciManAl @ 6 January 2004 - 05:29)
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lol i still dunt understand how it works
im only 14
all i noe in chemistry is the dam periodic table and stuff
u shud draw a diagram and scan it or sumthin or take pictures of ur computer
i will never forget the little poeple... don;t worrie i think at this pint it is ok for me to metion that i am infact 14... (keep your head high jaigandhi5... anything is possible...)
OMG ur kidding!!!!!
u must be the smartest kid in skool
and ME...i cant get any work/homework/study done/do lol cuz of computers so addicted i love to mod computers but dunt hav the toolz or the money i noe computers hardware ALOT can obviously build computers
but ur WAY TOO SMART
i dunt belive u
how did u come up with it? do u hav any other ideas?
dam u SMART!
the water ratio/ingredients are my secret... that is whatmakes this amazing... and if you buy one and try to make your own by taking it aprt it will not work so.. pretty much steal proof... although i think clocker knows... he has the knowledge i think to piece together the puzzle i have laid before him...
ill try to explain this to the best of my ability heat energy cannot be destroyed under the law of conservation of energy, heat = enegery and it cannot be destroyed by an means however it can be transfered somewhere else into another form. The heat radiates off the hot computer parts and the liquids natural reaction is to absorb the watter and get hotter and hotter until it evaporates, from here it rises up because hot air rises, more heat increases volume, and indirectly decreases the density and the less dense warm air rises to the cool area, a tank that is super cold and the energy is trasfer back to cold water or whatever liquid is used and flows back down the pipe to absorb more heat
NVM!
no, we want to get the water to boil and i use water loosly, water boils at 100C which is too hot for computer parts the idea is to concot a liquid that boils hot at around 30C so the evaporation takes place at safe temps not dangerously high ones
errmm how is tht possible thou? :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by Duffman3@6 January 2004 - 05:42
no, we want to get the water to boil and i use water loosly, water boils at 100C which is too hot for computer parts the idea is to concot a liquid that boils hot at around 30C so the evaporation takes place at safe temps not dangerously high ones
dude youve stumbled upon an edison like puzzle, open it up and the liquids evaporate because the room teperature makes it boil, finding the exact ratio between chemicles is like edison looking for the right alloy to make a lightbulb work
thats the genius we can only speculate its really trial and error to figure out how it works i suppose you take a liquid that boils at like 15C and mix it with water until you concoct a liquid with the desired BP
hmm nice work it is good to know that in all my good findings that i have awakened some knowledge in another persons mind, to see the person comprehend and then comunicate thier minds is always music to my hears... (i really need to stop teaching classes... lol umm yes that is close very close... that was the problem clocker helped me solve... hmm... don't want to give away what i found out though so i won't help you further... that problem WILL stop you i think... so untill i come back in a week with patent pending (or so i am told) i will not be talking any more... :P
im not gonna take away the idea i mearly maintained a average around 85 in chem so im trying to translate it into human language
lol i got a 73% :frusty: :frusty: :frusty: :( :angry:Quote:
Originally posted by Duffman3@6 January 2004 - 05:50
im not gonna take away the idea i mearly maintained a average around 85 in chem so im trying to translate it into human language
i know your intentions are good... (85 not bad i get around 78-83) hehe i know that simply the very basic elements you are placing together are what can be used to make this system work.. this system is really phenominally simple... (something that means it will be relitivly cheap...)
i wish i had ur brains! :frusty:Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@6 January 2004 - 05:49
hmm nice work it is good to know that in all my good findings that i have awakened some knowledge in another persons mind, to see the person comprehend and then comunicate thier minds is always music to my hears... (i really need to stop teaching classes... lol umm yes that is close very close... that was the problem clocker helped me solve... hmm... don't want to give away what i found out though so i won't help you further... that problem WILL stop you i think... so untill i come back in a week with patent pending (or so i am told) i will not be talking any more... :P
i wish i cud do sumthin like tht :frusty:
i certainly wasn't one of the smarter kids in my class but i understood stuff enough
cheap IS GOOD :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@6 January 2004 - 05:54
i know your intentions are good... (85 not bad i get around 78-83) hehe i know that simply the very basic elements you are placing together are what can be used to make this system work.. this system is really phenominally simple... (something that means it will be relitivly cheap...)
i love computers and evrything but i dunt noe wt to do....with tht knowledge... <_<
if i had forums like this when i got my first computer w3.1, like 8mb or ram, duel 2mb hds i think and aol, before version 2.o im talking actual aol version aol, and i learned everything my self, id know a helluva lot more if i had these forums years ago
my first computer was a 486 8mb ram 500meg hdd 75MHZ win.95Quote:
Originally posted by Duffman3@6 January 2004 - 06:00
if i had forums like this when i got my first computer w3.1, like 8mb or ram, duel 2mb hds i think and aol, before version 2.o im talking actual aol version aol, and i learned everything my self, id know a helluva lot more if i had these forums years ago
i learnt lots of things...from tht computer....
k guyz im off to bed! bye
http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/0...sdfjghwjkh.bmp
this is a loose loose loose diagram, basically the blue is cool water, red hot use your imagination where in my pic it goes in and out in the real thing it will go into the computer and attach in a way to the compomnents of the computer. The box at the top has a cooling agent to recool the water and the slant prevent the water from going down the wrong tube and stoping the cycle, didn't wanna get to detailed cause its late and im going to bed, but just some food for thought
Skeptic here.
Okay, so let me get this straight, SciManAl, you have one big massive heatpipe solution, and I assume that it has heatsinks that connect to your CPU, and Northbridge of course. Now, inside this heatsink, lets just say that the outside is made out of copper, enclosed per say. So inside is X fluid, is in this enclosed heatpipe, and it somehow settles near the processors, or other hot spots. Because off the heat coming off of the hot spots, X solution heats, and boils, at the nice point of 30C so or whatever. Now,
1. This is my main gripe. Where does it rise to relative to the case? the processors on ATX boards are areadly on the top of the boxes, so where would the heated, and vapor form of X solution cool down? Would we have to mod all our cases so it mods up further above?
2. Along with number 1, another question. Okay, so lets say it does evaporate and rises up to Y area to cool off. My question is, how is it going to cool off? Has someone already stated, the energy that is in X solution as a vapor is not destroyed, it merely changes form, into heat. But, now, you have heat, that merely's traveled from your CPU's, to the top of Y area. How are you going to cool Y area off? Hah, air perhaps? Well heck, if its air, then I bet a fan or two would do a better job, then right? See my point? Also, the liquid nitrogen, to ultimately cool the X soltution, would somehow end up going away because of its willingness to return to room temperature, (or in this case, an even higher temperature) as a result the Liquid Nitrogen would end up going away. Am I going to have to get a recharge of LO every few weeks? Days?
3. Now for your X solution. You are looking to have something that boils at about 30C. Which would mean about 86C, last time my converting was correct. Even if you did find a solution that boiled at this point, do you actually think that this would be safe, and feasible to manfacturer, and put in your heatpipe? I mean come on, is this stuff going to made in the arctic, to prevent the damn chemical, (which will of course be posionous, and hazardous, knowing its low boiling point) from evaporating during the manfacturing, or installation process of it, in the heatpipe?
4. What about expandability. This will be pretty much a hollow shell I would imagine, with X liquid in it. Well, what if I want to cool my video card? How would I (an overclocking and DIY person) be able to install an extension to cool my card, and memory of course? The sheer idea of addons seems implausable, because where would I connect the addon? It would have to have X liquid in it as well, but how would it link up to the main chamber?
5. With these ideas in mind, what makes this appeal to me. Now this is more the marketing side of things, but its still another important part. What makes your heatpipe solution, 'better' than, watercooling?
Just a few questions, so IM me sometime if you want to talk. Drksideoftheloon
Sorry for being away... i was really bummed out.. it already exits... it already exists... hmmm... i am pretty sad... but in any case i will make them anyway... i have yet to see it made publicly and as such i don't see a reason why i can't on small scale make some of them... (non profit, for the poeple that need them)
Now since the patent is already there besides a few trade secrets i wil open up about my project...
The cooling unit (my newest version, the original exploded.. :P ) is about as big asd a CD drive plus a little hight and it fits in a bigger computer case right infront of the PSU... it SHOULD fit over the tops dive and if not, it could even be mounted there.Quote:
1. This is my main gripe. Where does it rise to relative to the case? the processors on ATX boards are areadly on the top of the boxes, so where would the heated, and vapor form of X solution cool down? Would we have to mod all our cases so it mods up further above?
I also had this problem however the way it works, as in testing has shown is that as the liqaud nitrogen gets hotter it wiol try to expand, and when the it hits the steel block, (around 300 psi) it is forced to stay at least a certain amount of cold, as the energy is put into force against the Steel block (original was aluminum, so it exploded during long term..)Quote:
2. Along with number 1, another question. Okay, so lets say it does evaporate and rises up to Y area to cool off. My question is, how is it going to cool off? Has someone already stated, the energy that is in X solution as a vapor is not destroyed, it merely changes form, into heat. But, now, you have heat, that merely's traveled from your CPU's, to the top of Y area. How are you going to cool Y area off? Hah, air perhaps? Well heck, if its air, then I bet a fan or two would do a better job, then right? See my point? Also, the liquid nitrogen, to ultimately cool the X soltution, would somehow end up going away because of its willingness to return to room temperature, (or in this case, an even higher temperature) as a result the Liquid Nitrogen would end up going away. Am I going to have to get a recharge of LO every few weeks? Days?
water is "chemical x" trade secret.. but yes hear my words water...Quote:
3. Now for your X solution. You are looking to have something that boils at about 30C. Which would mean about 86C, last time my converting was correct. Even if you did find a solution that boiled at this point, do you actually think that this would be safe, and feasible to manfacturer, and put in your heatpipe? I mean come on, is this stuff going to made in the arctic, to prevent the damn chemical, (which will of course be posionous, and hazardous, knowing its low boiling point) from evaporating during the manfacturing, or installation process of it, in the heatpipe?
Firstly i expect the only poeple to buy this would be OCers ect.. but it comes standerd with all those parts.. all parts are subject to a vacume, and that was a problem to maintain that lack of pressure... I made a circut/pump combo that is really small that will in about 2 minute or less take normal atmospher inside the Cooling unit and remove that atmosphere. I also used a Memebrane to keep the water in the unit and not get pumped out... umm the things are however connected via on/off valves.. a total of 8 in and out valves are present... so five items can be cooled... I have made several heatsinks similar to the ones used in the PS2 console to cool different things in the computer ranging from the harddrive, PSU, northbridge, CPU, RAM, Vid card proccsor and Ram.Quote:
4. What about expandability. This will be pretty much a hollow shell I would imagine, with X liquid in it. Well, what if I want to cool my video card? How would I (an overclocking and DIY person) be able to install an extension to cool my card, and memory of course? The sheer idea of addons seems implausable, because where would I connect the addon? It would have to have X liquid in it as well, but how would it link up to the main chamber?
Well it is silent, uses almost no electricity (only a tiny pump... about 1 inch diameter), can keep up to 5 plummers torches heating hot plates at 50c or less... it is the best of all worlds i think... So i think it IS better than water cooling, air cooling, etc and it is less than 250 bucks... water cooling can be more...Quote:
5. With these ideas in mind, what makes this appeal to me. Now this is more the marketing side of things, but its still another important part. What makes your heatpipe solution, 'better' than, watercooling?
well ia m bummed out about this whole thing... i guess i just won't be the first to make it... i won't be able to get a patent, but it is a 20 year old patent, so i can definitly still use it... just i won't be protected... hmmm :(
well thanks guys allot of constructive critisism was thrown my way and it helped allot. I may not get to be a major manufactorer, but i stil make some for my buddies... (KL board and beyond) My biggest problem now is production... It would be nice if poeple that had machine shops could replicate this system for themselvfes, so that i can help multiblew poeple become proficent in tweaking the system so that it is ready to use... (Clocker ;) hehehehehehe :P
anyway poeple thanks one last time! I will be on now for the long run.
Awwww that's bad news :(
Sorry it didn't work man. Keep it up! :)
thanks... hehehehehehehehehehehehe :P no harm, i ended like i started so i think it is ok... at least i am not describing hhow i got married in Vagas and how they divorced and took my money... :lol:Quote:
Awwww that's bad news
Sorry it didn't work man. Keep it up!
Ha! Man, it is still a good idea. You could find out who owns the patent and talk to them. Maybe they havent got out the product because they don't know how to actually finish it. Maybe you can help them finish :o
Try! :)
right... and if i help u i get 50% profit? lol right....Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@5 January 2004 - 17:44
Hello,
Some good news for the problem on AMD over clocking and how to get rid of the heat... OK as I stated at an earlier date (sometime last year :frusty: ) I have started developing a silent Heat pipe cooling system that will cool all components in the computer so that there is no longer a need for fans at all... Now after all this time I am very close, at this point I only need too change liquids to make it more stable. Up to this point I have successfully tested a heat pipe system that uses no fans etc, and generates no noise. Its big flaw however was that the method of which a heat pipe works is that the hot water evaporates takes the heat with it, and dumps it off elsewhere... a very efficient method on paper, it has been hard to use effectively due to a lack of liquids with a boiling temperature that is optimal... (optimal being a variable that is different for every set up :frusty: ) now the problem now that I have given some background is this, Before I have been using water in a decompressed atmosphere, causing the boiling point to lower this also does give the system some inherent difficulties which might be ok if one was never to unhook a hose ever... (the seals are that bad and every time one unhooks a hose they get looser) and so I have come to a crossroads, either use water, which has been having problems with part II of this experiment (described later) or choose to change to a chemical alternative that has a boiling point of about 20-30 degrees centigrade, will not freeze (or can be blended with things that can't) and can hold some heat.
Part II of the problem titled: playing with liquid nitrogen can be a health hazard...
Okay I have this wonderful system now with a chemical alternative that can evaporate when it gets "hot" and a nice flow, now something has to cool down all this vapor coming up the tubes... this is where my buddy liquid nitrogen comes in. I took a block of copper, (the machine shops mill can only handle copper or aluminum, it is not heavy duty enough... but then I have no complaints with copper) and machined some tube paths inside, then took stainless steel tubing (to help counteract the effects of liquid nitrogen. and fitted them together with a rubber seal to cover the gap between the blocks (much like the piece between the top part of an engine block and the bottom part, mainly to keep the real hard cold inside... make the cold have to migrate to the outside... ) this block was capped of with a pressure valve and to the bottom I hooked about 20 ram heat sinks that would add surface to the block... at this point I have made an incredibly cold (-20 centigrade) block of metal that stays cold always and made that the top of the tank/condensing chamber and that would be what would take 30 max centigrade liquids and turn them freezing in seconds... (The water would in test runs out of computer freeze... so I added a bit of antifreeze... it wasn't optimal, but it worked...) this was a dream come true, completely silent... extreme cooling... in the computer runs came out with temps as low as 3-10 degrees centigrade with over clock... (Idle and load) very nice overall... not bad looking... any need for fans...
Now I still have a problem, I need to get the max out of this system... I need to get a better liquid to put in the pipes. I have hit Google but haven’t found anything... I was hoping for a really good chemist was lying around... I would also like a somewhat more personal response than the WebPages give, although they are always helpful so send the links if you find them. Umm well I think that is it... I would include links but it isn’t that glamorous, just the results... it is completely metal construction help together with bolts and rubber grommets, with the exception of some tubing... but to give it any measurement at all would be hard... it cools the following components:
CPU
PSU
Harddrive
Northbridge
Grapghics card
And last but defiantly least!!
Ram :01:
hehehehehehehe :P
Okay well I have my success, the thing still weighs too much for you LAN game players... it weighs in at about 20 pounds no joke... :frusty: one heavy bitch...
Okay then let the responses come in thanks guys!! Inspiration is easy too find in the place thanks!!
Wow I bet that is the best thing I have ever written on this forum before; I dare you to find a misspelled word…
actually if you were to produce based on my cads, then i think it work best since we live apart to use the franchise system... i don't know... you make profit, give me a small bit off the top... i sel some get all profit etc... but no more like you would make an actual 30 percent per unit... for you, i would get 10 and the rest would be production costs... just need some good metalworkers that can also do the little stuff... ie circut boards (i could also makes those i guess though and ship them out...Quote:
right... and if i help u i get 50% profit? lol right....
and if you helped that would be consulting,pay would be considerd based on your qaulifacations..., but i have that mainly done... Thanks anyway :D
hmm...
ummm do i still get one for free :rolleyes: :unsure: :01:
hmm like stated earlier.. if you build it yourself then yes well materials cost.. but you could make one yourself.. I am ready to make and sell some for here at minimal prices... umm no not FREE, but cheaper...
not just production costs you have to go against the industry already in market
u think it's easy to sell? lol nah
be prepaird to pay 250-300 US for the system... it is worth it though..one won't need to pay for anything else i think in some time...
It would be a great small effiecent system for the Overclocker in all of us...
i can pay for a similar water cooling system half that, 175 Canadian dollars
hahaha
:lol:
, but does that system run silent?? does it offer the extreme cooling options?? does it allow for complete system cooling?? does it use a single fan?? thought so... lol hehehehhee :P
no matter what you say i can show you reults that are better
... :D
also the cooler used in that set up is not that great... i have one for my bros comp... it can barely cool his OCed 2000+ it is only 40c... mine would cool to somewhere between 5c and 20 c... andd for 8 componets... so... hmm... :rolleyes: