It is really a waste of time trying to do anything about it Ella. This board, and all other boards by the way are autocratic. :(
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It is really a waste of time trying to do anything about it Ella. This board, and all other boards by the way are autocratic. :(
I agree to an extent, Bob, but your definition points to a board overseen by someone who demands total obedience from other people.
I can name boards where this is not the case.
I just meant overall power Ella. I know some boards no not require obedience lke this one. :)
I want total obedience!!!
From all the mods!!
Now!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yogi
Actually Ella, come to think of it, I think I will go to a board where I have a friend as a Mod. If such a boeard exists. :( It apparently gives you more leeway in what you can do. But I have a job to do here first. :lol:
Those boards exist, BB!!Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab@13 January 2004 - 13:35
Actually Ella, come to think of it, I think I will go to a board where I have a friend as a Mod. If such a boeard exists. :( It apparently gives you more leeway in what you can do. But I have a job to do here first. :lol:
It's great fun!!
I see those boards as my home.
KLF is my battlefield.
Good to sharpen my swords.......
As a knight in shining armour i take shannon and gallop through the threads,
searching worthy opponents...... :P :lol: :lol:
Like You!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yogs
he's a lot on a rampage course with members he dislikes... Just as he's now after IKE and me... A lot of his post you need to see in the context of the topics. ;) Fact is i never had a real argue with him, and always replied his pm's or even pm'ed him to explain things, i even was so friendly to advice him to lay low if needed.. He will probably say i did not but...Quote:
Originally posted by Honey@13 January 2004 - 11:41
I cant see anything that BD has done that is so terrible after reading JetJe's collection of BD posts? :unsure:
Ive seen much worse going on in here, even mods namecalling. :rolleyes:
My guess Billy had his own agenda... I still don't understand why he's hanging around in here. If he really dislikes us that much....
Again read back his posts he talks a lot of this forum going downhill, although he's responsible of a lot of fights like the recent one with J'Pol... And keeps saying little forums like his own are the place... well why don't you stay there then !!
If we are that kind of board he's trying to say it is this specific post was already been moved! We don't do censoring in here, the only censoring done is when people loose control and attack other people or do namecalling, like our beloved Billy did in this topic title and his 1st post... but well he's just such a sweet guy ;)
Those boards do exist BB and they are very friendly :)Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab@13 January 2004 - 21:35
Actually Ella, come to think of it, I think I will go to a board where I have a friend as a Mod. If such a boeard exists. :( It apparently gives you more leeway in what you can do. But I have a job to do here first. :lol:
It is a shame that Billy is leaving, because in the past he has had a lot to offer - playing Devil's Advocate in World News, starting the Guess This Picture-type threads, and so on.
However in terms of trolling he is surpassed only by hypoluxa, which is why he has found himself on moderation from time to time. The conspiracy theories are laughable, really, but of course the big bad mods would say that ;)
edited: adism
ermmm
what happened to Ozbabes post???
She edited it out and I deleted it for her. I've already sent her a PM to that effect.Quote:
Originally posted by ang3968@13 January 2004 - 12:24
ermmm
what happened to Ozbabes post???
:lol:
oh good.... thought I was going mad for a minute there and dreaming up posts under other peeps names...
:rolleyes:
No, it's ok, just part of our ongoing censorship campaign :ph34r: :lol:
:lol: :lol:
actually didn't even think that.... after the day I've had I honestly thought I had read something somewhere else and couldn't figure it out again....
but if ya want to be paranoid about it don't let me stop ya... :P
ps... please feel free to approach me directly and not thru a third person.... I don't bite....
yep ang.. i did post then edit.. and Lamsey did PM to say he'd deleted it...
but the more I think about it the angrier i feel that i should feel the need to have to pull a post to avoid the nastiness that would accompany it purely for pointing out gross untruths...
that's the really sad part... :(
On the subject of KLF being a battlefield to "Sharpen your sword"
WTF? What really, honestly is the point? Dont you see that you are becoming part of the problem?
well, its classic for people to dislike authority. however, if no one was around to uphold order this board would become a place no one but the troublemakers would enjoy. :)
Ok Lamsey I ain't picking up on you here ok, but there are a lot worse members than Rikk, he maybe a bit of a firecracker at times but he's never to my knowledge just flamed for the sake of it, to compare him to Hypo is very harsh, I doubt very much that Rikk has had his life threatend.Quote:
Originally posted by Lamsey@13 January 2004 - 13:21
However in terms of trolling he is surpassed only by hypoluxa, which is why he has found himself on moderation from time to time.
I don't see how he gets put on moderation but others who obviously come in purly for a wind up don't.
Personally I've had a couple of rucks with Rikk but he's like me and once all is said and done he'll shake your hand and forget it, not many people here that do that, only the likes of JP and Hobbes and a few others are man enough to do that.
@Rikk........dude don't sweat it, reading thru this thread should show you that you're liked by a lot of people and should shead some light on what descision you make.
Whatever you decide...........Stay Cool Brah B)
Jonno B)
what would you know ivy?.. seriously.. you would do better to stay out of something that you know nothing about... <_<Quote:
Originally posted by ivy@13 January 2004 - 20:41
well, its classic for people to dislike authority. however, if no one was around to uphold order this board would become a place no one but the troublemakers would enjoy. :)
I'm certainly not implying he's as bad as hypo, I'm saying that according to the number of incidents in our warn logs, only hypo out of our established members was worse for it.Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@13 January 2004 - 12:42
Ok Lamsey I ain't picking up on you here ok, but there are a lot worse members than Rikk, he maybe a bit of a firecracker at times but he's never to my knowledge just flamed for the sake of it, to compare him to Hypo is very harsh, I doubt very much that Rikk has had his life threatend.
I don't see how he gets put on moderation but others who obviously come in purly for a wind up don't.
Any member that only registers to troll or spam generally won't be noticed by the forum at large because they very quickly get moderated or banned. As such it is only the established members who cause problems that get noticed, which is why the likes of netweiner and hypo have such bad reputations. As a result it's only the more contentious cases that the people in the forum will notice.
Hope this clears some things up. :)
Brrrrrr...... :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by RGX@13 January 2004 - 15:38
On the subject of KLF being a battlefield to "Sharpen your sword"
WTF? What really, honestly is the point? Dont you see that you are becoming part of the problem?
Next time i will warn in advance:
Post meant cynical!! ;)
Duhuh....... :lol:
Yogs :01:
Ok I obviously said that wrong then :rolleyes:
Ain't been up long :lol:
I know what you're saying and can see your point, what I was trying to say is Rikk brings colour to the board, I know he can get controversial at times but surly thats healthy for the board to have intense debate?
It makes for a good read.
I do understand why he's picked up on, like you said he's established here so therefore he's watched to some extent.
But if he's now left because of it I think thats sad.
Jonno B)
Rick Aka billy has had more chances then anyone before on our board, even now he was just set to moderation, but he can't handle that and circumvent it by using his "sons" account (btw circumventing moderation done not for the 1st time ;) ). Another major offend. Is he more as some other meber? I guess not we just treat him the same as all problem members
just wondering why almost all posters in favor of our beloved Billy also are regulars on billy and ricks forum...
i've had enough from this one... why can Rikki be that nice on his own forum and do the f*cking and prick thing in here all the time... just wondering? Coincedence...
I wonder how you guys would act if that little lounge was flooded by nice Billy Jean characters ;) Assume i will start a topic in that forum calling the mods and admins Fuckers. Did you ever wander how long such a topic will stay on that forum, i wonder that too cause our boy Billy aka Rick seems so liberal and against censorship and dictatorship. How fast you would go ban and moderate a member causing trouble and searching for fights? ;) :ghostface:
Well i'm out of this, have fun
what it basically boils down to is it only takes one disagreement with a mod for you to be noticed and jumped on for anything slightly out of order.... after all mods are human too... you can't be totally unbiased, and once one mod has taken a disliking to you it's fairly obvious the other mods will watch you more closely...
I don't think BD should leave but that is his choice... I can understand the frustration he would be feeling to be moderated after so long ...
you can't deny he has helped people on this forum...
and it does take two to argue... BD can't argue with himself and he can't always be the one to start them...
but all of this is pretty irrelevant really.... he will either stay or go... the mods will moderate and there will always be someone new popping in to shit-stir and cause problems...
edit for jetje... ahhh... maybe it's our own conspiracy theory.... ;) ... or maybe it has something to do with the time zone and this is the time we are normally on... :rolleyes:
Where? Apart from the Cavern. Where the only threads that have ever been moderated are the ones a former supposed friend posted in. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Ella@13 January 2004 - 21:00
I agree to an extent, Bob, but your definition points to a board overseen by someone who demands total obedience from other people.
I can name boards where this is not the case.
Sorry, and Sheringham, where moderation doesn't seem to be required because everybody there is friendly.
@Jetje....Hypo is a member there, and is aloowed to post.
Does that answer your question?
They let more things go there because that is how they are.
And he has'nt started many topics over there for the same reason 7th has'nt here or Baz has'nt at my place.
And it's a bit besides the point, people are sticking up for him and joining his forum because they have some sort of respect for him.
Hope that clears things up :)
Jonno B)
it said fucking mods!!!
where are the mods fucking?? :rolleyes:
actually lets not go there :ph34r:
Laters
Cely :music1:
I agree wholeheartedly. Moderation is just to catch those who might be problematic; if all he did was troll we'd ban him. Because he has something to offer to the board, he has been given many more chances than others.Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@13 January 2004 - 12:55
I know what you're saying and can see your point, what I was trying to say is Rikk brings colour to the board, I know he can get controversial at times but surly thats healthy for the board to have intense debate?
It makes for a good read.
I do understand why he's picked up on, like you said he's established here so therefore he's watched to some extent.
But if he's now left because of it I think thats sad.
I was hoping to see Ni... errrr.... well, oh nevermind.Quote:
Originally posted by Celerystalksme@13 January 2004 - 09:00
it said fucking mods!!!
where are the mods fucking?? :rolleyes:
actually lets not go there :ph34r:
Laters
Cely :music1:
we still allowed billy to post here too ;) but he refuses to simply follow the board rules, and if set to moderation circumvent that.Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@13 January 2004 - 14:59
@Jetje....Hypo is a member there, and is aloowed to post.
Does that answer your question?
They let more things go there because that is how they are.
And he has'nt started many topics over there for the same reason 7th has'nt here or Baz has'nt at my place.
And it's a bit besides the point, people are sticking up for him and joining his forum because they have some sort of respect for him.
Hope that clears things up :)
Jonno B)
If that's clearing things up 2. B)
as you probably remember, Billy, i think you're a trolling pr1ck, so i'm not too bothered if you get banned :)
Where? Apart from the Cavern. Where the only threads that have ever been moderated are the ones a former supposed friend posted in. :)Quote:
Originally posted by AussieSheila+13 January 2004 - 23:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AussieSheila @ 13 January 2004 - 23:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ella@13 January 2004 - 21:00
I agree to an extent, Bob, but your definition points to a board overseen by someone who demands total obedience from other people.
I can name boards where this is not the case.
Sorry, and Sheringham, where moderation doesn't seem to be required because everybody there is friendly. [/b][/quote]
c'mon shelia... you know there is stuff all moderation at the club too....
:)
Why don't you ask Hobbes about that.
Actually why dont you ask me? I was taken off admin because my friends thought I 'might' trash the board. Moderation before any indication of trouble? Heavy handed I think.
Brrrrrr...... :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by SensualGardening+13 January 2004 - 13:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SensualGardening @ 13 January 2004 - 13:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-RGX@13 January 2004 - 15:38
On the subject of KLF being a battlefield to "Sharpen your sword"
WTF? What really, honestly is the point? Dont you see that you are becoming part of the problem?
Next time i will warn in advance:
Post meant cynical!! ;)
Duhuh....... :lol:
Yogs :01: [/b][/quote]
lmao, sorry, brains a bit frosty this morning :lol:
Sad to see that people see it this way, but it seems like it is just a mod / admin hunting right now.Quote:
Originally posted by kAb@13 January 2004 - 07:42
7th has come in here and decided he can change anything and everything, not listening to any feedback from the community.
Many things have changed that's a fact but 90 % of them were decided by VB / Paul and the mod team. (New design / new smilies / new areas / new mods and much more)
My position here is to make sure that our board is working, to tweak settings, add new areas and to be available if it comes to mod questions.
I don't deal with member issues at all since that's a mod job and because I don't know you unlike our mods. If you people have a problem with a mod they can contact me but i will ignore PM's if members call our team "assholes, fuckers, idiots" and many other names. It just makes no sense to reply in such a case.
If there is an issue members can PM me but keep in mind that I only deal with issues if I see that members want to solve problems and not if they just want to attack back.
I could name 100 examples and all of them are solved. Doesn't matter if it was muchspl who asked for help or [SPAM] who had a question. I am there for the community if there are problems.
Sometimes it is hard to do my job because people don't understand what an administrator is. I am not a dictator and I cannot solve member issues as I don't know you well.
If I would take everything serious then be sure that this board would not longer exist.
You don't believe me ?
I can name a few examples
"7th is the asshole for closing large posts"
We had discussions about closing topics once 1000 posts are reached and people got mad at me because they didn't care about the community but they cared about their topic. Sure it is bad if a good topic get's closed but there is always a reason. In this case it was a topic which was "always on top" meaning 100's of users did browse it and cause heavy server load.
Why does it cause load ? Invite 100 people and create a 700 MB text file. Now ask all people to open this text file with an editor (I wonder if any editor can handle it at all anyway lol). Now ask all 100 to read, add, remove text and to save it again. Then ask all 100 to open the file again and close it again and open it again.... etc
You will see how "easy" it is to deal with huge databases ;) A server can handle it within a few seconds but a normal computer will run into big troubles. Everytime a member clicks a huge post ALL posts are loaded into the RAM before you see any posts (even if you only see 20 posts per page) - That's how it works.
"7th is the asshole for not allowing direct download links"
I got a few PM's one day telling me that Guitar-Slinger is really a bad mod because he is hunting a member for posting direct download links / torrent files.
The problem here is that we cannot accept any torrent files - it doesn't matter if legal or illegal because we cannot check this (or do you really think our mods can download all posted files and check their content and if they are not sure contact the host and ask: Is it a legal file ?)
This case was closed after I checked the download source and asked to link to their official website to download instead to link files directly. (it was a radio station which had a public FTP). But guys common we cannot check it everytime because this board is big and it is impossible to check every single case.
I have no problems to be the "ass" around here but my work is to keep the board up and to help if there are problems (if the mods can't handle it)
If you take a close look you will notice that it is an endless story. People come, post, get mad, post they leave (and then hide as anonymous members) and then come back. On the other side people expect me to help them..
This board is not our life and if somebody wants to leave so be it. There is no need to make up a big story "I leave now because this board sucks" - That's just crying and hoping that people will say: "Please stay.. you are my friend"
People come and go and that's what makes a community interesting (as internet.news would say). We are working hard to deal with all issues but sometimes it doesn't work out because we cannot solve private issues here. If you dislike somebody ignore him / her and just don't reply. There is no need for "I leave because member XY sucks". Get over it or leave and find a better place.
I cannot care about every single member. I have to care about the community as a whole and i cannot give single users more rights than others because we are all a part of this community and we all have the same rights.
Marc
This is true, and it's nice to keep it that way :)Quote:
Originally posted by AussieSheila@13 January 2004 - 13:57
Sorry, and Sheringham, where moderation doesn't seem to be required because everybody there is friendly.
Very boring being a mod tho :lol:
@Jetje........I'm afraid to say very few people actually follow the rules here, I think what should be done is a "Real" set of rules made that WILL NOT be broken under any circumstances, we do seem to have one rule for one and one for another.
2 examples
1= Lamsey said Rikk has been given more chances than others.
I was told a while back that I only got away with certain things cos I'm "Popular" (not my words)
This is'nt right, everyone should be equal, I don't want special treatment, if I do something wrong I'll stand up and take my punishment (as long as it's from Nikki ;) ) sorry)
I mean here I sit publicly argueing with a mod, thats against the rules is'nt it?
And the second example I forgot what it was :( DoH! :(
But you get the idea :)
Jonno B)
Edit: A large post has been made by 7th on the last page, please read back :)
And from that...
After the big arguement I had on the board and in private I looked into this in more depth and he is right, it does cause large scripts and slows the workings of the board down.Quote:
"7th is the asshole for closing large posts"
I will now have my slice of humble pie :ph34r:
what... no smilies Shelia????
:lol:
I said stuff all moderation not no moderation....
and more to the point Ella's first comment was about total obedience..... and we sure as hell don't get or want that on the forum... :lol:
and if I recall that incident had something to do with this forum too didn't it??
whoa..... taken off admin???.... if I recall you asked to be taken off shelia... don't twist it around please
Um...can't we all just get alo... :o ...... * Ridds ducks the tomatos and bricks , runs for cover ! *
:P
Howdy folks ! :D
yeah, i totally agree with you JonnoQuote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@13 January 2004 - 13:17
1= Lamsey said Rikk has been given more chances than others.
I was told a while back that I only got away with certain things cos I'm "Popular" (not my words)
This is'nt right, everyone should be equal, I don't want special treatment, if I do something wrong I'll stand up and take my punishment (as long as it's from Nikki ;) ) sorry)
i was accused of being given special treatment because i might have 'been friends with an admin'
i'd say i'm 'friends' with only one mod on this forum, Lamsey, and i would expect no special treatment because of this. I've pm'd him before saying this and i've also pm'd another mod (jejte or [B][O][T] possibly) and told them the same thing.
@Jonno, well that's not entirely the truth about what you said about Lamsey only allowed you to be here because your popular.
I hope that people that are not pissed (cause then a debate has no use) finally can see we mods and admins really tolerate a lot, but there are some boundries.
Before we act up to a member we watch a members profile, his activities on the forum and how he fits in the community, what he posted and what he have done before.. etc....
that's why someone that is completely knew coming in and f*cking up big time can count on an immediate moderation/ban. People that are longer in here and just had a "bad' day get more chances... like you did that time and like some others like Hypo, Killa and Billy had... but there's an end to everything... don't forget we mods do this completely voluntarily too and it's not nice if we're only needed to police in here all the time, i rather have time to read fun and nice posts too instead of firefighting, moving threads answering pm's and being accused of being unfair a liar and a fucking mod, prick twat or whatever Billy calls me.
just too close this one, he's just lying about what i did to him, but hey that's just me the mod saying... :( fact that i'm a member for more then a year doesn't count. I knew this place long before people like billy visitted and i can assure you that some of them left because of the Billy's that, as i said before have fastkeys for the words fuckers, pricks, assholes .. B)