Whos Youre Favourite Sportsman/men?

La Manche - july81
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Miami-Cuba -January84
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Hokkaido-Sakhaline-july84
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Strait of Formosa - Nov84 - Where he Died
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Last picture of him
http://perso.club-internet.fr/ader/a...to/photo11.jpg

Jenna de Rosnay - his wife
Still surfs in Hawai, and has clothing business
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Lance Armstrong? ;)

There are way too many indeed. One of the problems with Europeans and soccer is that all "fans" will pick a player from their favorite team. In that way the Americans have more respect for star players from other teams. They will see when a player is really great and even if he's from another party they will show more respect then europeans usually do.

Sportsmen that spring in mind
Michael Jordan without a doubt had one of the biggest influences on sport, sportsmanagment, TV coverages and economics. I think he was a great player that i enjoyed to watch. I often stayed up late to see him play (european as i am!). I think he is everything an Idol should be... a lot of sportsmen should take an example on him.

Dennis Roman for being so unique and controversial and combining that with being a great player with very limited talent (must be his eager not to loose..). For those not knowing, he was the absolute rebound king in the nba for many years, and one of the, not so visible keys behind a lot of succes (Detroit Pistons, Chicago Bulls).

Soccer, well i can't choose: Cruyff, van basten, Zidane, Maldini, Larson, Haisselbank.... Well if i need to choose let me pick Ryan Gigs. I always like the players that are less visible but without whom there was no succes (the players that makes that other players get the chance to become so great)....

Other sportsheroes; Wayne Gretzky, Lance armstrong, Ard Schenk, Olaf Koss, Andre Agassi, Ali, Joe Frazier, Alain fabiani, Ton vd Wiel, Ad vd Velde, Jan Raas, Eddy Mercks, Serge Boebka, Jesse Owens, Bob Beamon, Phill Taylor....... oh and many more B)

Has nothing to do with Europeans and soccer (although I'm not european). The problem is that americans don't have ONE favorite sport, but 3 (at least lmao): American Football (or NFL football, ey busyman :rolleyes:), Baseball, and Basketball ;)

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Originally posted by DWk@27 January 2004 - 03:21
hmmm now this is tough since I love sports....

Maradona - sorry but it's NOT Pelé. Maradona played in a more competitive time.

Raul, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo, Figo, Zidane, Beckham, Ronald and Frank de Boer, Danny Blind, Ronald Koeman, Frank Rijkaard, Dennis Bergkamp, Patrick Kluivert, Franz Beckenbauer, Lothar Matteus, Thierry Henry, Juan Román Riquelme, Sebastián Verón, Gabriel Omar Batistuta, Totti, Vincenzo Montella, Paolo Maldini, Bageri (can't remember the name..... defender of Italy national team). Bleh many much..... and too much :D

Andre Agassi - btw he wasn't such a wuss like Pistol Pete.... why the feck did Pistol pete retire....n0ob

Michael Jordan, Allen Iverson, Reggie Miller, Pat Ewing, Larry Bird.

Lots more.... just can't remember :D

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LMFAO!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: how could maradona have played in a more competitive time?? thats pure bullshit - plus the fact he cheated in a game (the bloody git cost england a trip to the final with his goddamn hand), he took drugs (throw the woot to jail), and generaly, he was a goddamn peice of :shit:... lol, sorry but these are the facts.

sampras retired cos hes a great sportsmna, not like agassi, who cant get enough of all his damn money. sampras will always be the best tennis player to have ever played the game, no doubt about it.


allen iverson? the one who when he was 15 was sent to jail for burglary' aremd robbery and mugging?? wow, a real idol (as much as i admire his skills, i wouldnt mind having his skills mate, a great basketball player - talks too much trash and was a criminal...)

your footy players i agree with them all mate :D



tralalala


EDIT: typo, and ill add to my list good old (one balled :lol:) Lance Armstrong, a supreme sportsman... hope he wins the tour de france next year too...

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Originally posted by DWk@27 January 2004 - 13:38
Has nothing to do with Europeans and soccer (although I'm not european). The problem is that americans don't have ONE favorite sport, but 3 (at least lmao): American Football (or NFL football, ey busyman :rolleyes:), Baseball, and Basketball ;)

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Most Americans have 1 "favorite" sport. We just don't have a "national" sport like most foreign countries.

My favorite sport is basketball.

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Has nothing to do with Europeans and soccer (although I&#39;m not european). The problem is that americans don&#39;t have ONE favorite sport, but 3 (at least lmao): American Football (or NFL football, ey busyman :rolleyes:), Baseball, and Basketball ;)

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Most Americans have 1 "favorite" sport. We just don&#39;t have a "national" sport like most foreign countries.

My favorite sport is basketball. [/b][/quote]
american footy is one of the american national sports... so as baseball and basketball (unless i misunderstood the question... feel free to correct me)



tralalala

my favourite sportsmen ever.
1. pele ( a true football genius)
2. Maradona( yet another genius on the pitch)
3. Michel platini (france&#39;s best ever player)
4. zico( man could this brazilian hit a ball. a real pleasure to watch)
5. jimmy white (the true fans favourite in snooker)
6. Willie carson( my favourite jockey of all time)
7. zinedine zidane (what can i say, he almost like platini mark 2)
8. roberto carlos( arguably the most craziest freekick specialist i have seen, but when he scores, he doesn&#39;t half score)
9. paolo maldini( maybe italy&#39;s best ever player ever)
10. Thierry Henry( yet another from france who is the star of arsenal, even though i support Liverpool)

lol, could you imagine getting one of roberto carloses free kicks right to the nuts?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: man would it be sore... hed probably knock &#39;em off&#33;&#33; :lol: :unsure:



tralalala

Michael Schumacher

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Originally posted by 4th gen@27 January 2004 - 22:49
Michael Schumacher

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oh come on... he only steers the wheel, the real heroes are the technicians... <_<


tralalala

i agree on michael schumacher. would he be so good in one of the inferior machines?

and before i forget. How can we all forget, the great in his day Muhammed Ali. Now that guy could box. Who can we think of now, no one really does come stand out.

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Originally posted by The Horror fanatic@27 January 2004 - 16:02
i agree on michael schumacher. would he be so good in one of the inferior machines?

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Ever seen him on a go-kart? ;)

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Originally posted by DWk+28 January 2004 - 04:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 28 January 2004 - 04:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Horror fanatic@27 January 2004 - 16:02
i agree on michael schumacher. would he be so good in one of the inferior machines?

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Ever seen him on a go-kart? ;) [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol: put him in a go-kart in an F1 race, and hell finish last by like 50 laps.. LMAO&#33;



tralalala

Maradona

http://www.diegomaradona.com/downloa...pers/wall4.jpg

man,,, i dont see what you like about that maradona... he took drugs, cheated, and generally was a nasty peice of work...

i, on the other hand, have a more "elegant" idol...

Michael Jeffrey Jordan - the best athlete to ever step on earth.



tralalala

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i agree on michael schumacher. would he be so good in one of the inferior machines?

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Ever seen him on a go-kart? ;) [/b][/quote]
On ice

http://www.pfmracing.com/pete/schumi_01.jpg

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@27 January 2004 - 16:02
i agree on michael schumacher. would he be so good in one of the inferior machines?

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Ever seen him on a go-kart? ;)

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On ice

http://www.pfmracing.com/pete/schumi_01.jpg [/b][/quote]
the only reason he won his 6 championships was because of his super car... without that car, hes a nobody...



tralalala

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Originally posted by tralalala@28 January 2004 - 11:52
Michael Jeffrey Jordan - the best athlete to ever step on earth.



tralalala

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Might be a conflict there, Tra-

Check out Jim Brown:

The baddest man to ever play in the NFL, and, in college, acknowledged to be the best lacrosse player who ever lived.

Bo Jackson: Football/Baseball-struck down by injury early on.

At 6&#39;1", and 235 lbs., ran the 40 in 4.12&#33;

I read a story where he ran it in 4.18-in full gear.

Wilt Chamberlain: His exploits are too incredible to describe: Basketball, track, beach volleyball.

Jim Thorpe, Daley Thompson....

The list does indeed go on. :)

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Originally posted by tralalala@28 January 2004 - 15:04
the only reason he won his 6 championships was because of his super car... without that car, hes a nobody...



tralalala

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I don&#39;t know if you&#39;re being facetious or not, but if you&#39;re being serious, think about the points gap between Schumacher and his team-mates. Surely if the car was the star then Schumacher&#39;s team-mates would be on roughly the same points as him (barring the very unoccasional team order situations).

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the only reason he won his 6 championships was because of his super car... without that car, hes a nobody...



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I don&#39;t know if you&#39;re being facetious or not, but if you&#39;re being serious, think about the points gap between Schumacher and his team-mates. Surely if the car was the star then Schumacher&#39;s team-mates would be on roughly the same points as him (barring the very unoccasional team order situations).[/b][/quote]
Not a big F1 fan here, but with regard to Schumacher&#39;s dominance, I would imagine if the governing body could determine he was top dog due to mechanical superiority rather than merely being the superb driver he no doubt is, they would re-write the rule book in order to bring him back to the rest of the field, yes?

As this has not occurred, we are left with but one conclusion. ;)

At the end of the 2003/2004 F1 season:

Number of total F1 victories:

1. M. Schumacher 70
2. A. Prost 51
3. A. Senna 41
4. Mansell 31
5. J. Stewart

Total F1 points scored:

1. M. Schumacher 1038
2. A. Prost 798.5
3. A. Senna 614
4. N. Piquet 485.5
5. N. Mansell 482

Number of Grand Prix contested:

1. R. Patrese 256
2. M. Alboreto 215
3. A. de Cesaris 213
4. G. Berger 210
5. N. Piquet
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8. M. Schumacher 195

Number Of Pole Positions:

1. A. Senna 65
2. M. Schumacher 55
3. J. Clark 33
4. A. Prost 33
5. N. Mansell 32

Number Of Fastest Laps:

1. M. Schumacher 56
2. A. Prost 41
3. N. Mansell 30
4. J. Clark 28
5. M. Hakkinen 25

Number of laps in lead:

1. M. Schumacher 3959
2. A. Senna 2931
3. A. Prost 2683
4. N. Mansell 2058
5. J. Clark 1940

The gap between Schumacher and Barrichello at the end of the 2003/2004 season was 28 points

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Originally posted by 4th gen@28 January 2004 - 12:24
At the end of the 2003/2004 F1 season:

Number of total F1 victories:

1. M. Schumacher 70
2. A. Prost 51
3. A. Senna 41
4. Mansell 31
5. J. Stewart

Total F1 points scored:

1. M. Schumacher 1038
2. A. Prost 798.5
3. A. Senna 614
4. N. Piquet 485.5
5. N. Mansell 482

Number of Grand Prix contested:

1. R. Patrese 256
2. M. Alboreto 215
3. A. de Cesaris 213
4. G. Berger 210
5. N. Piquet
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8. M. Schumacher 195

Number Of Pole Positions:

1. A. Senna 65
2. M. Schumacher 55
3. J. Clark 33
4. A. Prost 33
5. N. Mansell 32

Number Of Fastest Laps:

1. M. Schumacher 56
2. A. Prost 41
3. N. Mansell 30
4. J. Clark 28
5. M. Hakkinen 25

Number of laps in lead:

1. M. Schumacher 3959
2. A. Senna 2931
3. A. Prost 2683
4. N. Mansell 2058
5. J. Clark 1940

The gap between Schumacher and Barrichello at the end of the 2003/2004 season was 28 points

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I believe the Schumacher argument is thus concluded. ;)

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Originally posted by j2k4@28 January 2004 - 15:28
I believe the Schumacher argument is thus concluded. ;)

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I do believe we are in agreement :)

nope...

the only reason there was a big gap between schumi and his team-mate barichello was because barichello had to let schumi be ahead of him in every race (except the one rubens won) so that schumi would have a higher point total... no argument there...




tralalala

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Originally posted by tralalala@28 January 2004 - 16:13
nope...

the only reason there was a big gap between schumi and his team-mate barichello was because barichello had to let schumi be ahead of him in every race (except the one rubens won) so that schumi would have a higher point total... no argument there...




tralalala

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LMAO :lol:

Hyperbole never works :P . Rubinho didn&#39;t have to let Schumi through in EVERY race (as you suggest). Rubens also won 2 races last year ;)
The period of dominance Ferrari had was nothing in comparison to the Honda dominance in 1988, where they won 15 out of the 16 races that year.
There&#39;s no point in us debating if Schumacher or the cars he drives are the reason for his success, it doesn&#39;t seem like you are very open to reason.
In my opinion Schumacher is the best F1 driver in history.

everyone has his own oppinion right? so theres no point debating anymore :)

i actually liked mika hakkinen during his time...
then that fatal race where he led right through to the last lap... and his damn car stalled and schumi (what a surprise <_< ) took the race...





tralalala

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Originally posted by tralalala@28 January 2004 - 16:33
everyone has his own oppinion right? so theres no point debating anymore :)

i actually liked mika hakkinen during his time...
then that fatal race where he led right through to the last lap... and his damn car stalled and schumi (what a surprise <_< ) took the race...





tralalala

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I agree, Hakkinen was a great driver, I miss him now that he&#39;s gone. As an aside, have you seen the 93 video of Hakkinen driving a Ferrari F40 and McLaren F1 road car for Best Motoring?

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everyone has his own oppinion right? so theres no point debating anymore&nbsp; :)

i actually liked mika hakkinen during his time...
then that fatal race where he led right through to the last lap... and his damn car stalled and schumi (what a surprise&nbsp; <_< ) took the race...





tralalala

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I agree, Hakkinen was a great driver, I miss him now that he&#39;s gone. As an aside, have you seen the 93 video of Hakkinen driving a Ferrari F40 and McLaren F1 road car for Best Motoring? [/b][/quote]
nah... havent seen that... :(

apparently hes trying rally racing... :lol:



tralalala

p.s: he said he might be back within like a year or two (and im looking forward to that day...)