I've never tried hamster steak, so I don't know. <_<Quote:
Originally posted by internet.weather@3 March 2004 - 18:03
I say again leather shoes, hamster fur coats, the difference would be what ?
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I've never tried hamster steak, so I don't know. <_<Quote:
Originally posted by internet.weather@3 March 2004 - 18:03
I say again leather shoes, hamster fur coats, the difference would be what ?
I've never tried hamster steak, so I don't know. <_< [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by lynx+3 March 2004 - 17:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lynx @ 3 March 2004 - 17:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-internet.weather@3 March 2004 - 18:03
I say again leather shoes, hamster fur coats, the difference would be what ?
Clothing not food lynx. <_<
i think he was trying to make a point about what you do with the rest of the cow
Fur coat? :w00t:
Is this a desire for sartorial elegance or one of those strange furry fetishes? :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by shn@3 March 2004 - 23:33
Fur coat? :w00t:
To simply kill an animal for a "trophy" seems to trivialize the existance of that creature.
The fur issue is kind of a 'tweener, as it can be used to keep warm. But let us look at the real reason behind buying one. It is to make the statement: "look at me, I just spent a ridiculous amount of money on this gaudy coat for no other reason than I can, or at least, I want you to think that". It's just like animal bling-bling, an attempt to project importance by flashing the cash. Much more efficient, comfortable and cost effective means of keeping warm are available.
My Grandfather had an elephant tusk, a black rhino horn, antelope head with horns, bearskin rug, elephant foot trash can, leopard skin wall hanging, etc.. These are obviously pointless souveniers, and are a bit of an embarassment today. Nice thing that human vanity has pushed these animals to the point of extinction. Extinction is a not a worry with hamsters, so atleast, that problem is avoided.
Old hamsters have nasty hair just like old humans, so waiting for their deaths solves nothing as the coats would be mangy.
If people want to buy hamster coats, well, I'll just laugh at your superficiality and note that a fool and his money are soon parted.
Unless you are a pimp, then the fur is a requisite.
Hmmm I have a fur coat and I like the way it looks.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@3 March 2004 - 20:25
To simply kill an animal for a "trophy" seems to trivialize the existance of that creature.
The fur issue is kind of a 'tweener, as it can be used to keep warm. But let us look at the real reason behind buying one. It is to make the statement: "look at me, I just spent a ridiculous amount of money on this gaudy coat for no other reason than I can, or at least, I want you to think that". It's just like animal bling-bling, an attempt to project importance by flashing the cash. Much more efficient, comfortable and cost effective means of keeping warm are available.
My Grandfather had an elephant tusk, a black rhino horn, antelope head with horns, bearskin rug, elephant foot trash can, leopard skin wall hanging, etc.. These are obviously pointless souveniers, and are a bit of an embarassment today. Nice thing that human vanity has pushed these animals to the point of extinction. Extinction is a not a worry with hamsters, so atleast, that problem is avoided.
Old hamsters have nasty hair just like old humans, so waiting for their deaths solves nothing as the coats would be mangy.
If people want to buy hamster coats, well, I'll just laugh at your superficiality and note that a fool and his money are soon parted.
Unless you are a pimp, then the fur is a requisite.
That's enough for me.
Efficient means of keeping warm?
Well that eliminates leather, down is better.....well not unless leather has a nice down lining.......uh well on second thought.....fuck it.......give me a fur coat. <_<
Hunting an animal to extinction is just plain idiocy.
You are getting rid off your livelihood and food source.
They need to have mink farms...whoops...they already do.
it seems to me the vast majority of people accept the killing of animals provided their deaths serve a purpose, the discussion simply revolves around how much of a purpose does it take to justify killing an animal. Imo the higher the standards a person has for justifying an animals death the higher moral ground they can claim, but everythings relative, I doubt anyones claims to live completely free of animal exploitation
As i think lynx was saying earlier, cows are killed primarily for meat, which it seems most people accept as a more valid reason than clothing, as such the leather is a bonus. Using this resource is not equivalent to killing hamsters solely for their skin and in fact not using it would imo be similar in style to what they must do to the thousands of skinned hamster corpses.Quote:
Efficient means of keeping warm?
Well that eliminates leather,
So as long as I eat the hamster meat it's OK that I make a coat out of it's fur. I have no problem with that.
Kentucky Fried Hamster anyone ?
Why didnt you just buy a fur coat made from artificial fur? It would keep you just as warm, would look exactly the same and would cost half the price.Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman
Hmmm I have a fur coat and I like the way it looks.
That's enough for me.
Taking all this into account, there must be another reason that you havent mentioned yet.
I understand that chickens taste a lot like hamsters.
Go pick on them, why don'tcha?
Yeah, I can't go a day without eating Elephant, leopard, antelope, black rhino and bear.Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@4 March 2004 - 01:35
Hunting an animal to extinction is just plain idiocy.
You are getting rid off your livelihood and food source.
They need to have mink farms...whoops...they already do.
Oh wait, I don't eat any of those animals. I leave the corpses of these animals to rot and take my silly trophy. That is how humans, in search of status, and in appeasement of vanity, drive animals to extinction.
Mink or hamster coats- both for fools and their money. Does fake fur clash will real gold teef?
As for leather coats, why waste the hide, the animal is already dead. And when I fall off my motorcycle at 85 mph, the leather takes the road rash instead of my skin.
I'd stop doing that if I were you...Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@3 March 2004 - 19:41
As for leather coats, why waste the hide, the animal is already dead. And when I fall off my motorcycle at 85 mph, the leather takes the road rash instead of my skin.
I'd stop doing that if I were you...[/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by clocker+4 March 2004 - 04:54--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 4 March 2004 - 04:54)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@3 March 2004 - 19:41
As for leather coats, why waste the hide, the animal is already dead. And when I fall off my motorcycle at 85 mph, the leather takes the road rash instead of my skin.
Since cows have evolved over millions of years to survive highspeed motorcycle spill outs, why should I not take advantage of this this? Duh!
Ah, now I see.
The milk, beef, and fuel aspects were all just secondary to the cow's main purpose in the grand scheme of things.
Well, Praise the Lord and pass the Kushitani's!
Some animal rights folks are mighty judgemental fucks (and I mean that in the kindest way).
Who the fuck are they to tell me
"Well only wear the coat if the animal is eaten".
It's a coat
Go graze in the wilderness or forage for berries and shit. :lol: :lol:
If they did would you pay attention then?Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@3 March 2004 - 21:53
Some animal rights folks are mighty judgemental fucks (and I mean that in the kindest way).
Go graze in the wilderness or forage for berries and shit. :lol: :lol:
If they did would you pay attention then? [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by clocker+4 March 2004 - 01:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 4 March 2004 - 01:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@3 March 2004 - 21:53
Some animal rights folks are mighty judgemental fucks (and I mean that in the kindest way).
Go graze in the wilderness or forage for berries and shit. :lol: :lol:
No. That's them.
That's funny there folks out there who don't eat meat nor processed foods.
I saw this sick diet on Penn and Teller Bullshit where it involved eating only "organic foods". It was some nasty shit.
I know how important it is for you to answer all the questions that are put to you Busyman. :D Whats your answer?Quote:
Originally posted by leftism
Why didnt you just buy a fur coat made from artificial fur? It would keep you just as warm, would look exactly the same and would cost half the price.
Taking all this into account, there must be another reason that you havent mentioned yet.
I bet he starts going on about "reading comprehension" and screaming that he answered the question 3 months before I asked it
Has anyone here ever tasted artificial crab or lobster meat? It taste horrible. Why does it taste horrible? Because it's not the real thing. It's artificial
Why settle for a cheap imitation if you can have the real thing?
And if people want to eat, or use hampsters for fur then that's their choice.
I can think of many cultures that eat a lot more things worse than hampsters and kill other animals for a purpose worse than making coats to keep warm and look stylish.
And what makes some people think that the fur thats made in this day in age is what it claims to be.
Would some of you know the difference between mink and hamster, or fox and rat.?
You would be suprised what a little "artifical" coloring can do to thoose coats. :)
Ya, I get your point Busy, that is why I called this issue a 'tweener.Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@4 March 2004 - 06:53
Some animal rights folks are mighty judgemental fucks (and I mean that in the kindest way).
Who the fuck are they to tell me
"Well only wear the coat if the animal is eaten".
It's a coat
Go graze in the wilderness or forage for berries and shit. :lol: :lol:
I'm sure I could live a full life without eating another animal, but I will continue to eat them because it gives me great pleasure. Steak, shrimp scampi, bar-b-qued beef ribs, fried chicken, turkey and dressing. Hell, when I order chinese food, I never even bother with the rice, I tell them to keep it.
I think we would all agree that animals should not be treated cruelly and that if the hamsters are treated well for "x" amount of time then killed humanely, that probably beats existing in the wild where disease and predation probably would cause a shorter life expectancy than the "farmed" animals and a far more miserable death.
It would seem that well feed and exercised humping hamsters would have the fullest and shiniest coats, so it might be in the best interest of the farm to treat them well to produce the best product.
This is unlike the "meat" industry that shackles animals to keep the meat tender.
Humans are not like hamsters. Humans understand that ultimately they will die, a very unique human burden, hamsters understand that they like lettace. If a hamster just doesn't wake up one day, what's the big deal? It wasn't planning on writing it's life opus that afternoon, it was just going to be another day of eat, shit, and sleep.
I still don't want a hamster coat, though.
Ya, I get your point Busy, that is why I called this issue a 'tweener.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes+4 March 2004 - 21:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 4 March 2004 - 21:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@4 March 2004 - 06:53
Some animal rights folks are mighty judgemental fucks (and I mean that in the kindest way).
Who the fuck are they to tell me
"Well only wear the coat if the animal is eaten".
It's a coat
Go graze in the wilderness or forage for berries and shit. :lol: :lol:
I'm sure I could live a full life without eating another animal, but I will continue to eat them because it gives me great pleasure. Steak, shrimp scampi, bar-b-qued beef ribs, fried chicken, turkey and dressing. Hell, when I order chinese food, I never even bother with the rice, I tell them to keep it.
I think we would all agree that animals should not be treated cruelly and that if the hamsters are treated well for "x" amount of time then killed humanely, that probably beats existing in the wild where disease and predation probably would cause a shorter life expectancy than the "farmed" animals and a far more miserable death.
It would seem that well feed and exercised humping hamsters would have the fullest and shiniest coats, so it might be in the best interest of the farm to treat them well to produce the best product.
This is unlike the "meat" industry that shackles animals to keep the meat tender.
Humans are not like hamsters. Humans understand that ultimately they will die, a very unique human burden, hamsters understand that they like lettace. If a hamster just doesn't wake up one day, what's the big deal? It wasn't planning on writing it's life opus that afternoon, it was just going to be another day of eat, shit, and sleep.
I still don't want a hamster coat, though. [/b][/quote]
Ok man I agree with that tweener thingamajig, whatchamacallit, doohicky. :D
You are allowed to shackle your animals? That sort of behaviour would almost certainly result in heavy fines and probably jail terms in Europe.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@5 March 2004 - 00:56
This is unlike the "meat" industry that shackles animals to keep the meat tender.
It's no wonder veggies get so upset.
What about veal production?