You sure you didn't over volt the card in the bios? go in there, to the ocing opotions i think, and see what teh agp slot voltage is set too.
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You sure you didn't over volt the card in the bios? go in there, to the ocing opotions i think, and see what teh agp slot voltage is set too.
its 1.5v. i have all my settings back to standard. doesn't increasing agp voltage help ocing the card?
makes it run hotter though, making it artifact more...Quote:
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@14 July 2004 - 14:07
its 1.5v. i have all my settings back to standard. doesn't increasing agp voltage help ocing the card?
i tihnk 1.5v is the normal voltage so that shouldn't be the problem...
Increasing AGP voltage only helps if you have increased AGP bus speed, not the GPU frequency. You would normally only increase AGP bus speed if it is directly linked to the processor base frequency and you have increased that, but most decent motherboards allow you to set the AGP speed independently.
If you are running at standard AGP bus speed then increasing the voltage merely produces extra heat.
seems every time i put in my 9800, it goes crazy. sometimes it crashes too. now i'm using my 9600, and no probs. wats goin on? :cry1:
all my settings are bios default. my cpu's back to 2.4.
Sounds like its fuct.
Try taking out any cd drives and other extra hardware then boot with the 9800pro...
I guess it is possible that there isn't enough power coming into the card...
also if you have another power supply try that.
I noticed you've been inserting :cry1: many times...
http://www.outofeden.co.uk/acatalog/Tissues.jpg
For you.
Abu,
Why don't you try your 9800pro on someone else's computer - and see if artifacts still appear? I mean, you've tried almost everything...other than that.It's worth a try.
i just pulled out all my all my drives and my 2nd hdd. still. i'm am so pissed.
thanks for all ur help y'all! i've decided, this is a piece of shit! i'm just gonna stick to my old 9600 for now. till i work out something. thanks for ur help!
put your 9800 in another comp......... just try it......
do you still have warranty on it?
if so, go to the store and make them test it........
got an oem.Quote:
Originally posted by Storm@15 July 2004 - 10:54
put your 9800 in another comp......... just try it......
do you still have warranty on it?
if so, go to the store and make them test it........
0W3NDQuote:
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@15 July 2004 - 17:53
got an oem.
i no. sucks. i just tried it on my friends pc. card works fine. cards perfectly fine.
so the psu must the the only reason left rite?
Have you checked your voltages when this is happening? And I mean with a multimeter, not using the onboard sensors. If they are ok then it is unlikely to be your psu.
Why can't you trust the onboard sensors? They are supposed to be comparisons to a known reference voltage. But if your psu is overloaded it may not be able to supply this reference voltage, so the reported readings will be higher than reality.
If your psu is ok, I think it is time to bite the bullet and try reformatting and re-installing your complete system, assuming you haven't already done so (and I can't be bothered to go back and read the whole of this thread to find out).
i have formated my whole hdd. the reason i'm suspecting my psu is its a really shitty one make by some 500W Powertek (basically no brand piece of shit) for $20. 500w arn't meant to be $20. so it has be a shitting psu.Quote:
Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 13:13
Have you checked your voltages when this is happening? And I mean with a multimeter, not using the onboard sensors. If they are ok then it is unlikely to be your psu.
Why can't you trust the onboard sensors? They are supposed to be comparisons to a known reference voltage. But if your psu is overloaded it may not be able to supply this reference voltage, so the reported readings will be higher than reality.
If your psu is ok, I think it is time to bite the bullet and try reformatting and re-installing your complete system, assuming you haven't already done so (and I can't be bothered to go back and read the whole of this thread to find out).
That's true, but artefacting (for power reasons) only happens if the psu can't give enough amps. And if it can't give enough current through a given resistance then by the laws of physics the voltage has to drop.
So if the voltage is ok then the current must be ok. Check the voltages before the system starts windows (eg in bios setup) then check them again as windows loads and finally when you see the artefacting. If there is no significant change then although your psu may be crap it is unlikely to be the source of the problem.
If you've got a good meter you should be able to measure max and min voltages. This should give you an idea of the amount of ripple from the psu (using it in a steady situation). It should be less than 1% (ie max to min no more than 0.12v on the 12v line). That is measuring in windows over a period of a few minutes though, not comparing windows to bios setup mode.
Just don't want you going out and getting a new psu, then finding it doesn't help.
good point. i'll do that. btw, if i were to hook up fans and other junk to one parallel line out of the psu (say with 3 molexes). one of the molexes goes to the radeon, and the other 2 go to a bunch of fans and a fan controller. does it help if i have nothing connected to the other 2 molexes? i know that in a parallel, the voltages stay the same for all the resistors (fans, radeon, other crap) but the current gets lower for each resistor. so if i were to un hook all my other shit sharing the amps, would that help the card? cuz i did that, and it doesn't do shit!Quote:
Originally posted by lynx@15 July 2004 - 13:55
That's true, but artefacting (for power reasons) only happens if the psu can't give enough amps. And if it can't give enough current through a given resistance then by the laws of physics the voltage has to drop.
So if the voltage is ok then the current must be ok. Check the voltages before the system starts windows (eg in bios setup) then check them again as windows loads and finally when you see the artefacting. If there is no significant change then although your psu may be crap it is unlikely to be the source of the problem.
If you've got a good meter you should be able to measure max and min voltages. This should give you an idea of the amount of ripple from the psu (using it in a steady situation). It should be less than 1% (ie max to min no more than 0.12v on the 12v line). That is measuring in windows over a period of a few minutes though, not comparing windows to bios setup mode.
Just don't want you going out and getting a new psu, then finding it doesn't help.
They all come from the same point in the psu. Unless you were seriously overloading the capacity of the physical wiring you wouldn't see any difference, especially since fans take only a tiny current.
However, in the case of the 6800 's with two molex connectors I assume it was thought that the wiring could indeed be overloaded.
update for y'all. my psu is officially fucked. i push the power button, my led goes on for 1 sec, then turns off. so now, it's sure that this whole problem is caused by a fucked up psu. recommend me a good psu. antec? thermaltake? i'm burning this powertek piece of monkey poo! :angry:
I have no problems with my enermax 450watt. ;)
but ya the others you mentioned are good brands too.
btw, does it wear out the psu if i keep my pc one for days without shutting down?
ok. antec's are too expensive. wat bout this:
Thermaltake Silent PurePower, 420W ATX power supply.UL, CSA, TUV, CE Approved. Intel Pentium 4 Compliant
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 420W
PFC: No
Power Good Signal: 100-500ms
Hold-up Time: >16ms at Full Load
Efficiency: >65%
Over Voltage Protection: +5V trip point<+6.8V;+3.3V trip point<+4.5V;+12V trip point<+15.6V
Overload Protection: Not specified
Input Voltage: 115 VAC / 230VAC
Input Frequency Range: 47-63 Hz
Input Current: 10.0A (Measuring 90-132Vrms);5.0A (Measuring 180-264Vrms)
Output: +3.3V@30A;+5V@40A;[email protected];+12V@18A;[email protected];+5VSB@2A
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-153-006&depa=1
one more thing. if the psu fucks up like this, does it damage any of my other components? (such as hdd, mobo, optical drives, graphx card, etc)
i might also consider this:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-153-007&depa=1
w/e will last me a long time with the following components:
5 case fans
asus p4p800 delx
9800 pro
2 120 gb hdds
1 lite-on cd-rw
1 dvd rom
2 cathodes
Turning on and off is more likely to fuck your psu.Quote:
Originally posted by abu_has_the_power@16 July 2004 - 17:57
btw, does it wear out the psu if i keep my pc one for days without shutting down?
Both my pc's are on 24/7, I don't have power problems (and one of those psu's is a cheap generic 300W unit).
It usually depends what has failed. If you keep trying to boot a system with a failed psu the chances of it hitting another component are vastly increased.Quote:
one more thing. if the psu fucks up like this, does it damage any of my other components? (such as hdd, mobo, optical drives, graphx card, etc)
Just going back to this for a second, the symptoms you describe are not necessarily a blown psu. The psu will automatically cut out in an over-current situation, such as a short or another component failing. You should really rule this out before changing your psu, preferably by borrowing another psu if you can.Quote:
update for y'all. my psu is officially fucked. i push the power button, my led goes on for 1 sec, then turns off. so now, it's sure that this whole problem is caused by a fucked up psu. recommend me a good psu. antec? thermaltake? i'm burning this powertek piece of monkey poo!
well, these things happen very oddly. before the pc stopped turning on, i was dling something and kept it on for bout 4 hrs. when i got back and checked on the pc again, the screen was all weird and black but with artefacts and other weird stuff. it was frozen for sure. i pressed reset, and it won't turn on again. ur saying this could be caused by another compnenet? like wat?
problem solved. bought the thermaltake xaser III 480W psu. that's 1 hell of a psu. it was the powertek piece of monkey poo that fucked up everything.
And there I was think Radeons didn't use much power. :rolleyes:
it doesn't use much power, it's just my old psu didn't give enough power. the rails were prob horrible. then the whole psu just failed.Quote:
Originally posted by lynx@21 July 2004 - 09:22
And there I was think Radeons didn't use much power. :rolleyes:
btw, newegg sent me a refurb card. how long do u guys think it'll last? so far, it's had no probs
I had my cd-rw drive replaced after just 3 months of having it with a refurbed one and it's been working for over 2 years no problems. :)
good! thanks y'all!
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abu_has_the_power Posted on 21 July 2004 - 14:24
QUOTE (lynx @ 21 July 2004 - 09:22)
And there I was think Radeons didn't use much power.
it doesn't use much power, it's just my old psu didn't give enough power. the rails were prob horrible. then the whole psu just failed.
btw, newegg sent me a refurb card. how long do u guys think it'll last? so far, it's had no probs
so would u recomend a referbished card??
sry for the spelling
i'd still buy a brand new card. the card i sent in for repair was 3 months old anyway, so it doesn't make 2 much difference.