:lol: True, also how many body builders who are pumped up do you see with a big nob?........Not many cos it shrinks :ph34r:Quote:
Originally posted by danb@16 August 2004 - 11:26
Makes you shoot blanks :(
Jonno B)
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:lol: True, also how many body builders who are pumped up do you see with a big nob?........Not many cos it shrinks :ph34r:Quote:
Originally posted by danb@16 August 2004 - 11:26
Makes you shoot blanks :(
Jonno B)
TBH I don't go round looking at bodybuliders nobs :lol: :lol: :lol:
In the land of the unfeasibly small penises.Quote:
Originally posted by danb@16 August 2004 - 14:04
TBH I don't go round looking at bodybuliders nobs :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jonno is normal.
In the land of the unfeasibly small penises.Quote:
Originally posted by SnnY+16 August 2004 - 12:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SnnY @ 16 August 2004 - 12:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-danb@16 August 2004 - 14:04
TBH I don't go round looking at bodybuliders nobs :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jonno is normal. [/b][/quote]
:01:
@Dan......That's cos you can't see them :lol:
Jonno B)
Quote:
Originally posted by cpt_azad+16 August 2004 - 03:29--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (cpt_azad @ 16 August 2004 - 03:29)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>um, lets see, get big as fuck. if u don't see that as a plausible reason, then by all means stop posting here :) , i'll just continue on wit my weight training, screw roids. well, maybe thats a litte too harsh, perhaps when im older (not bloody likely) B) [/b]Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@15 August 2004 - 23:04
..........and what the fuck for?................ :huh:Quote:
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 August 2004 - 02:52
should keep it and use it only when you really can use it, keep training and then take it
<!--QuoteBegin-manker@16 August 2004 - 03:35
To take steroids in an attempt to acheive this by-product of looking good can mean only two things:
1) That you're a competitive bodybuilder and the pressure to succeed is immense.
2) That you're insecure in some way.
There really is no other explanation.
Every guy I've ever met that takes steroids has been a complete self obsessed arsehole, bar none. Perhaps it's because the steroids make them that way or perhaps it's innate, I suspect every non-steroid user will tell you the same.
Taking steroids does not promote endearing charactor traits.
[/quote]
:)
How old are you anyway....seeing from your posts you are not 12 years old as previously stated? <_<
Slightly different Yogi, you can look both ways, with E's you have no idea how your body will react, you drink too little and die of dehydration, or drink too much and still die, it's a blind drug, also there's no telling what shit has been mixed with it :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+16 August 2004 - 13:51--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 16 August 2004 - 13:51)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SensualBarfing@16 August 2004 - 11:20
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same with shit like E's, one person can take them every night and be fine, someone else can take one and die and hour later
Same like crossing a busy road.... :rolleyes:
Cars and busses are quite big and you can see them coming :rolleyes:
Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
If you don't look both ways before using an E, you might get the wrong effect.
Ie, never buy from strangers; have it tested if possible, etc.
People hardly die because of E. They die of ignorance and stupidity.
Yogi
:)Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman+16 August 2004 - 13:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 16 August 2004 - 13:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-manker@16 August 2004 - 03:35Quote:
Originally posted by cpt_azad@16 August 2004 - 03:29
um, lets see, get big as fuck. if u don't see that as a plausible reason, then by all means stop posting here :) , i'll just continue on wit my weight training, screw roids. well, maybe thats a litte too harsh, perhaps when im older (not bloody likely) B)Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@15 August 2004 - 23:04
..........and what the fuck for?................ :huh:Quote:
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 August 2004 - 02:52
should keep it and use it only when you really can use it, keep training and then take it
To take steroids in an attempt to acheive this by-product of looking good can mean only two things:
1) That you're a competitive bodybuilder and the pressure to succeed is immense.
2) That you're insecure in some way.
There really is no other explanation.
Every guy I've ever met that takes steroids has been a complete self obsessed arsehole, bar none. Perhaps it's because the steroids make them that way or perhaps it's innate, I suspect every non-steroid user will tell you the same.
Taking steroids does not promote endearing charactor traits.
How old are you anyway....seeing from your posts you are not 12 years old as previously stated? <_< [/b][/quote]
:lol: I can't remember posting that I was 12! Must have been one of the very rare occasions where I can manage to work the PC after a night in town.
I'm in my twenties, though not as old as Jonno :D
It must be a miracle that I reached 65 then. :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by SensualBarfing@16 August 2004 - 12:17
People hardly die because of E. They die of ignorance and stupidity.
Have you been to Holland seen the damn trams? :blink: :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 12:51
Cars and busses are quite big and you can see them coming :rolleyes:
<_< Or as good looking :PQuote:
Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 12:23
I'm in my twenties, though not as old as Jonno :D
@Yogi........Sorry my friend, we are always gonna dissagree on this, I lost a friend to an E, dirty filthy little drug, it's the chemical that kills, not ignorance or anything of the sort, I could go buy off a friend who says their all cool, but at the end of the day not even the dealer knows whats in it.
That's also the reason I never snorted anything, ground glass mixed in speed or coke, a 15 y/o boy died of that here too.
Sorry, E's are bad, period.
Jonno B)
It must be a miracle that I reached 65 then. :lol: [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab+16 August 2004 - 14:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 16 August 2004 - 14:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SensualBarfing@16 August 2004 - 12:17
People hardly die because of E. They die of ignorance and stupidity.
Ahhhh!!! :o
Those pills you take are E's!!! :lol:
Explains that joy you have all the time!!!
Have you been to Holland seen the damn trams? :blink: :blink: [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by danb+16 August 2004 - 13:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (danb @ 16 August 2004 - 13:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 12:51
Cars and busses are quite big and you can see them coming :rolleyes:
Fecking evil, silent things they are.
I suppose they're not so bad if you're not stoned, but not many tourists would know this. I've almost lost my life to an Amsterdam tram several times.
I'm really glad you have decided against using those diabolical stereos. ;)
They scratch your CD's. :smilie4:
<_< Or as good looking :PQuote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+16 August 2004 - 13:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 16 August 2004 - 13:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@16 August 2004 - 12:23
I'm in my twenties, though not as old as Jonno :D
Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
You mean the photos of that dark-haired bloke approaching middle age that you keep posting aren't really you?
You must be so relieved :D
Fecking evil, silent things they are.Quote:
Originally posted by manker+16 August 2004 - 13:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 16 August 2004 - 13:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by danb@16 August 2004 - 13:28
<!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS
Quote:
@16 August 2004 - 12:51
Cars and busses are quite big and you can see them coming :rolleyes:
Have you been to Holland seen the damn trams? :blink: :blink:
I suppose they're not so bad if you're not stoned, but not many tourists would know this. I've almost lost my life to an Amsterdam tram several times. [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Me too. Had my fair share of scares with the cycle lane too :ph34r:
The M in your name is upside down <_<Quote:
Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 12:33
You mean the photos of that dark-haired bloke approaching middle age that you keep posting aren't really you?
You must be so relieved :D
:lol:
Jonno B)
<_< Or as good looking :PQuote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+16 August 2004 - 14:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 16 August 2004 - 14:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-manker@16 August 2004 - 12:23
I'm in my twenties, though not as old as Jonno :D
@Yogi........Sorry my friend, we are always gonna dissagree on this, I lost a friend to an E, dirty filthy little drug, it's the chemical that kills, not ignorance or anything of the sort, I could go buy off a friend who says their all cool, but at the end of the day not even the dealer knows whats in it.
That's also the reason I never snorted anything, ground glass mixed in speed or coke, a 15 y/o boy died of that here too.
Sorry, E's are bad, period.
Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
Plain facts on MDMA and other drugs.
http://www.thedea.org/pictures/deathsper100k.gif
@Manker. You may not realise that where Yogi comes from a lot of drugs are legal. Therefore, I should imagine, that state control will prevent the 'dirty stuff'.
I hope that is the case. ;)
But of course, I also realise that drug testing in Amsterdam is commonplace as I have had a few E's tested myself. An excellent service.Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab@16 August 2004 - 13:39
@Manker. You may not realise that where Yogi comes from a lot of drugs are legal. Therefore, I should imagine, that state control will prevent the 'dirty stuff'.
I hope that is the case. ;)
I also happen to completely agree with Yogi.
I do hope you're not confusing me with Jonno :o
Fecking evil, silent things they are.Quote:
Originally posted by manker+16 August 2004 - 14:31--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 16 August 2004 - 14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by danb@16 August 2004 - 13:28
<!--QuoteBegin-JONNO_CELEBS
Quote:
@16 August 2004 - 12:51
Cars and busses are quite big and you can see them coming :rolleyes:
Have you been to Holland seen the damn trams? :blink: :blink:
I suppose they're not so bad if you're not stoned, but not many tourists would know this. I've almost lost my life to an Amsterdam tram several times. [/b][/quote]
You must 've been really stoned.
Several times with one tram.......
Were you running in front of it???
And they have these very annoying bells to warn pedestrians, wich give you a
heartattach!!!!!
I did not thinkl it was possible to confuse Jonno. Nevermind confuse him with someone else. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 12:42
I do hope you're not confusing me with Jonno :o
:lol: I can't remember posting that I was 12! Must have been one of the very rare occasions where I can manage to work the PC after a night in town.Quote:
Originally posted by manker+16 August 2004 - 08:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (manker @ 16 August 2004 - 08:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@16 August 2004 - 13:16
<!--QuoteBegin-mankerQuote:
Originally posted by cpt_azad@16 August 2004 - 03:29
um, lets see, get big as fuck. if u don't see that as a plausible reason, then by all means stop posting here :) , i'll just continue on wit my weight training, screw roids. well, maybe thats a litte too harsh, perhaps when im older (not bloody likely) B)Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman@15 August 2004 - 23:04
..........and what the fuck for?................ :huh:Quote:
Originally posted by muchspl2@16 August 2004 - 02:52
should keep it and use it only when you really can use it, keep training and then take it
Quote:
@16 August 2004 - 03:35
To take steroids in an attempt to acheive this by-product of looking good can mean only two things:
1) That you're a competitive bodybuilder and the pressure to succeed is immense.
2) That you're insecure in some way.
There really is no other explanation.
Every guy I've ever met that takes steroids has been a complete self obsessed arsehole, bar none. Perhaps it's because the steroids make them that way or perhaps it's innate, I suspect every non-steroid user will tell you the same.
Taking steroids does not promote endearing charactor traits.
:)
How old are you anyway....seeing from your posts you are not 12 years old as previously stated? <_<
I'm in my twenties, though not as old as Jonno :D [/b][/quote]
Sorry not you manker I meant confused boy cpt azad. :lol:
Oh ffs thats such crap, if you even the numbers out it's a different storie, the ratio of smokers to E takers is something like 200-1 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by SensualBarfing@16 August 2004 - 12:35
Plain facts on MDMA and other drugs.
http://www.thedea.org/pictures/deathsper100k.gif
Besides, I don't care what anyone says, it's a man made drug, I don't agree with man made drugs. Plain and simple :)
And before you say it, yes I've done coke, speed, acid etc, does'nt mean I agree with it and I would never ever tell anyone to try it, same as smoking, I wish I had never started and I would do everything I can to stop someone from starting, end of the day this is my body, that is yours, a question was asked and I stated fact.
Any mind/body enhancing man made chemical drug is dangerous, no one can deny that.
Jonno B)
The funny thing is that most drugs are still officially illegal in holland.Quote:
Originally posted by bigboab@16 August 2004 - 14:39
@Manker. You may not realise that where Yogi comes from a lot of drugs are legal. Therefore, I should imagine, that state control will prevent the 'dirty stuff'.
I hope that is the case. ;)
Even funnier: They just forbid dried mushrooms. So now we buy 'm fresh...... :blink:
Oh ffs thats such crap, if you even the numbers out it's a different storie, the ratio of smokers to E takers is something like 200-1 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+16 August 2004 - 13:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 16 August 2004 - 13:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SensualBarfing@16 August 2004 - 12:35
Plain facts on MDMA and other drugs.
http://www.thedea.org/pictures/deathsper100k.gif
Besides, I don't care what anyone says, it's a man made drug, I don't agree with man made drugs. Plain and simple :)
And before you say it, yes I've done coke, speed, acid etc, does'nt mean I agree with it and I would never ever tell anyone to try it, same as smoking, I wish I had never started and I would do everything I can to stop someone from starting, end of the day this is my body, that is yours, a question was asked and I stated fact.
Any mind/body enhancing man made chemical drug is dangerous, no one can deny that.
Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
You should probably look closely at the graph title again.
And you tried to use anecdotal evidence to back your views... :rolleyes:
I totally agree Jonno. ;)
Stastistics are the same as computers. You only get out off them what you put in.
Sorry not you manker I meant confused boy cpt azad. :lol:[/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by Busyman+16 August 2004 - 13:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 16 August 2004 - 13:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 08:23
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman
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@15 August 2004 - 23:04
How old are you anyway....seeing from your posts you are not 12 years old as previously stated? <_<
:lol: I can't remember posting that I was 12! Must have been one of the very rare occasions where I can manage to work the PC after a night in town.
I'm in my twenties, though not as old as Jonno :D
D'oh :huh:
Oh ffs thats such crap, if you even the numbers out it's a different storie, the ratio of smokers to E takers is something like 200-1 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS+16 August 2004 - 14:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JONNO_CELEBS @ 16 August 2004 - 14:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SensualBarfing@16 August 2004 - 12:35
Plain facts on MDMA and other drugs.
http://www.thedea.org/pictures/deathsper100k.gif
Besides, I don't care what anyone says, it's a man made drug, I don't agree with man made drugs. Plain and simple :)
And before you say it, yes I've done coke, speed, acid etc, does'nt mean I agree with it and I would never ever tell anyone to try it, same as smoking, I wish I had never started and I would do everything I can to stop someone from starting, end of the day this is my body, that is yours, a question was asked and I stated fact.
Any mind/body enhancing man made chemical drug is dangerous, no one can deny that.
Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
See this chart.
Note the numbers of people ending up in ER after using prescripted drugs.
Image Resized
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[img]http://www.thedea.org/pictures/ERdata.gif' width='200' height='120' border='0' alt='click for full size view'>
Note: These are US-statistics from 2001!!!
Edit: I do not promote the use of any drug, be it artifical or natural.
I just want to make clear that most MDMA related deaths are due to other causes.
Mixing drugs, alcohol, taking too much, bqad pills, etc.
As long as drugs are illegal, hence controlled by criminals, there are only two ways:
don't take 'm or be very very carefull.
Correct, I did read it wrong. Apologies
Sorry, I don't believe graphs, I could probably find one that contradicts that :)
I really don't see why.......how anyone can say a chemical drug is safe, dunno maybe I'm a square or something, or maybe I've seen too many people sick or dead because of it, and I never condoned smoking or drinking, I simply answered the question :)
Just because more people die of smoking that means E's are safe? :blink:
Jonno B)
a larger amount of people smoke and drink then take e's so thats another reason the graph isnt really that goodQuote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 13:02
Correct, I did read it wrong. Apologies
Sorry, I don't believe graphs, I could probably find one that contradicts that :)
I really don't see why.......how anyone can say a chemical drug is safe, dunno maybe I'm a square or something, or maybe I've seen too many people sick or dead because of it, and I never condoned smoking or drinking, I simply answered the question :)
Just because more people die of smoking that means E's are safe? :blink:
Jonno B)
if you done the percentage of people who died out of those who take the drug you might get a completely different graph
Jonno, I'm not trying to be harsh but just because one of your mates died from an extacy related experience doesn't mean everyone should agree with it's condemnation. Yogi's posted some legitamate figures, it really is less harmful than a 20 a day habit.
My mate died in a car crash but I don't want to condemn Vauxhall Vectras.
:lol: See, Gems made the same mistake I did :lol:
Read the Graph title gems :)
I just wanna know one thing, is this statement incorect?
Jonno B)Quote:
same with shit like E's, one person can take them every night and be fine, someone else can take one and die and hour later
Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 15:02
Correct, I did read it wrong. Apologies
Sorry, I don't believe graphs, I could probably find one that contradicts that :)
I really don't see why.......how anyone can say a chemical drug is safe, dunno maybe I'm a square or something, or maybe I've seen too many people sick or dead because of it, and I never condoned smoking or drinking, I simply answered the question :)
Just because more people die of smoking that means E's are safe? :blink:
Jonno B)
Quote:
how anyone can say a chemical drug is safe,
Never said that. :huh:
Quote:
Just because more people die of smoking that means E's are safe? :blink:
Ditto.
Yogi
I would love to see a stat like that, Jonno!!! :lol:
mehQuote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 13:08
:lol: See, Gems made the same mistake I did :lol:
Read the Graph title gems :)
I just wanna know one thing, is this statement incorect?
Jonno B)Quote:
same with shit like E's, one person can take them every night and be fine, someone else can take one and die and hour later
anyone can make up a graph :lol:
The statement is correct Jonno. But it's a worthless one.Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 14:08
:lol: See, Gems made the same mistake I did :lol:
Read the Graph title gems :)
I just wanna know one thing, is this statement incorect?
Jonno B)Quote:
same with shit like E's, one person can take them every night and be fine, someone else can take one and die and hour later
The same can be said about peanuts :rolleyes:
Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 14:02
Correct, I did read it wrong. Apologies
Sorry, I don't believe graphs, I could probably find one that contradicts that :)
I really don't see why.......how anyone can say a chemical drug is safe, dunno maybe I'm a square or something, or maybe I've seen too many people sick or dead because of it, and I never condoned smoking or drinking, I simply answered the question :)
Just because more people die of smoking that means E's are safe? :blink:
Jonno B)
Sure, but it would be wrong. To use your tactics of debate I work alongside a substance misuse team so I know what is really going on. Alchohol and smoking are the big killers.Quote:
Sorry, I don't believe graphs, I could probably find one that contradicts that :)
Ecstacy deaths are relatively few and far between, though the newspapers always like to front-page these deaths. Most of the time the deaths are due to inappropiate use of the drug (ie taking too much, drinking with them, not getting enough liquid, etc) this is due to ignorance.
Ignorance is the killer, and narrow-minded statements like this:
annoy me. Particularly when I have yet to hear of anyone dying from taking ecstacy in one hour. That is pure fantasy.Quote:
same with shit like E's, one person can take them every night and be fine, someone else can take one and die and hour later
@Yogi.......I used E's as an example, you generalised with crossing the road, it's 2 totally different things, billions upon billions of people cross the road safely every minute, work that percentage out :)
Saying that you may as well say it's just as dangerous crossing the road as playing Russian Roulette :rolleyes:
@Manker.......I've always been against E's, seen far too many people have bad trips etc and again the ratio of car drivers to E takers is insumountable :)
Jonno B)
Edit @Cheese......I never said Alcohol or smoking was better, I said I did'nt condone them, this thread was about a chemical drug, neither alcohol (mostly) is chemical nor is smoking, they are both made from natural substances, we were talking drugs, I used E's as an example because they are a man made chemical drug like Steroids.
You are trying to put words in my mouth. and if someone is alergic to the chemical in an E they can die within 10 mins. Bottom line is you have no idea what shit is in that little tab.
Sorry Jonzy!!Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 15:15
@Yogi.......I used E's as an example, you generalised with crossing the road, it's 2 totally different things, billions upon billions of people cross the road safely every minute, work that percentage out :)
Saying that you may as well say it's just as dangerous crossing the road as playing Russian Roulette :rolleyes:
@Manker.......I've always been against E's, seen far too many people have bad trips etc and again the ratio of car drivers to E takers is insumountable :)
Jonno B)
You do the generalisation. I do the math. :P
Yogi
Some more nice figures.
alcohol is only a big killer cos people dont have it in moderation <_<
Not insurmountable, or even incalculable. I'd say in the U.K. about 5% of car drivers have taken extacy.Quote:
Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 14:15
@Yogi.......I used E's as an example, you generalised with crossing the road, it's 2 totally different things, billions upon billions of people cross the road safely every minute, work that percentage out :)
Saying that you may as well say it's just as dangerous crossing the road as playing Russian Roulette :rolleyes:
@Manker.......I've always been against E's, seen far too many people have bad trips etc and again the ratio of car drivers to E takers is insumountable :)
Jonno B)
A 'bad trip' on extacy? now I know you're making it up :lol: