Just for you Ruthie.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
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Just for you Ruthie.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
If Michael Moore is logic, then the Sun goes around the Earth. :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
likewise for the person he chose as his subject matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny
I'm still waiting for your views on Bush and the 98 vote claim.... a classic in the standards that you accuse moore of
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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
Answer the question though :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by vidcc
Being not well read in the claim...I would ask a few questions.
Did Kerry say yea 98 times in the support of tax increases?
and was the quote "He voted 98 times to increase tax"?
If he did indeed say yea 98 times then I don't see the fault. If he didn't then the claim is inaccurate.
Be prepared Manny. I foresee a barrage from Factcheck.org on the horizon.
Well I read the campaign statement and it seems accurate...
Campaign statement
How can you make a proper decision on voting if you don't check up on statements made about the opponents of each candidate?Quote:
Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny
http://www.factcheck.org/article247.html
please read the article manny as i feel that you are getting all your imformation about kerry from the Bush campaign. While you are on the site feel free to check out Kerry's spins.... This is the site that cheney ment to point everyone to...it is truthful and non biased.
@ Hank..perhaps you would prefer me to point to kerry's website.. so you could say it was a biased stance...please read it as well.
I am not trying to get you to change you mind about who to vote for, what i am trying to do is get you to look at the validity of the reasons given to not vote for someone.
I chose tax in this example but i could go to many...it also puts a question mark over the accusation of kerry being a "flip flopper"...his record actually shows that his past backs up what he proposes for the future. We hear Bush say "you can run but you can't hide"...well i wish Kerry would come out and say..."here is my record" because agree with his policy or not he has nothing to hide...his record reflects what he is telling us
What i am saying is don't rely on Bush to give you the facts about kerry, also don't rely on bush to give you the full story of his manifesto
Likewise don't rely on kerry for bush facts (but then i know you don't believe a word he says)
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Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny
Well check the facts...not what Bush tell youQuote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
well, he acted like a typical liberal 350 times. I wonder how he compares to others in the senate?
Now I will gladly state that there are misrepresntations on both sides as I am learning are a simple part of politics. You will never see me concide that Kerry is decisive though; He is a Clinton poll politician to the core.
Without even doing the clicky clicky I'll guess this is the Hitchens article. Hitchens is as much a liberal as I am a Republican. He may have been at one time, but, like Dennis Miller, he's not anymore. Ok lemme click through now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
Yea it is. I saw this article when it came out. I'm curious, Hank... have you seen f911? Are you aware of the inconsistencies between the movie and Hitchens article? Hitchens really doesn't refute anything in the movie, he gives his opinion of it, and it's more of an attack on Moore than anything else. He doesn't show anywhere, that can't be easily refuted, that Moore is wrong, except perhaps where he discuses the planes in the no-fly zones being shot at as an "attack on Americans", but that too is a matter of interpretation and opinion.
I'm on vacation right now, spending some time with my father in San Francisco, but when I get home maybe I'll spend some time fisking Hitchens for you. It will be more time consuming than difficult... it's really a weak argument.
In the meantime, if you haven't already, go see f911.
Nice to see you posting again Scrogg ;)
Welcome back, and hope your enjoying your holiday :)
Here's the key words in that rebuttal you linked to manny;
"| Paid for by Bush-Cheney '04, Inc. |"
I'm curious what you have against liberals? You say kerry acted "like a typical liberal 350 times". I'm curious what that means to you. Let me ask you... how many of those 350 votes were procedural? How many were for revisions? How many were simply votes to begin or end debate?
So far so good, RF. Went to see the last Liberty Ship floating today. My ol' man was in heaven. He was in the Merchant Marine from 42 to 46, says they were the best years of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Thanks for the wb. :)
I am allways surprised how fast people call something "leftwing" in here when
in my opinion it is at best moderate rightwing..........
I love Michael Moore.
I know his work is sheer propaganda.
But as it is mostly pointed at the coorparate criminal's in this world, it suits me fine
and even gives me the giggles from time to time.
"Big" Hank: Why keep referring to third party sources; do you not have an opinion of
your own????
We've had that debate many times Yogi...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yogi
What USA call "Left" and "Liberal", Europeans generally dont ;)
Okay.
...and we wait for a clicky to point to Hanks opinion. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yogi
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Originally Posted by Busyman
:lol: so true though
Unbelievable. Ruthie and RF are the reigning king and queen of copying and pasting and yet you all have the never to call me out on it. Why don’t you take a look around the Talk Club and see how many articles I’ve posted as compared to Ruthie or anyone else.
and your point is?
Apparently you’ve missed it as it flew right over your head.
Much like "Consequences to Actions" goes over yours?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
Basic Physics, as well as Sociology and Psychology I believe...
I also get their opinions on things. I know their views without an editorial for me to figure it out. I also can get their views whether it's regarding a liberal or conservative post.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
I only know your views from you saying that you like Bush.....and that's pretty much it. This is where my previous automaton remarks about you came from.
By and large, I have a preference for dialogue rather than wade through long cut and pastes ( :( which I confess, I only read if they are succinct or engaging)
I am at a loss with the title of this thread though. Mr. Moore's patriotism is hardly an issue. He clearly loves his country but would like to see it move to the left politically. This is hardly heresy in a democracy.
The USA has, rightly, a reputation for tolerance and openness. If there are those of a political persuassion that would like to be less tolerant and open are they also "un-American" and unpatriotic?
It is a dark day when one part of the political play room claims sole ownership of the patriotism ball and will not others play too.
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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
What does posting articles have to do with anything, Hank? I purposely cut, paste, and identify sources. It's called sharing information.Quote:
Apparently you’ve missed it as it flew right over your head.
well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
Ah yes but when I do it, twice here in the Talk Club compared to your seven, I get called out on it. See the hypocrisy in that?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthie
Well, do youthink I only get positive feedback? ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
That's all you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank