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I honestly don't thoink anyone with half a braincell would put tyres on thier bonfire :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
You can still have air rifles Jonno, those shoot targets just as well ;)
I really don't see how you can compare knives and guns with fireworks though :huh:
Here in Norway, because of the sales success last year,
theyr planning to but extra taxes on the Fireworks.
So ppl wouldnt buy so much, some sorta security-tax or whatnot.
It would probably mean less accidents also.
I dont mind, since I dont buy that stuff.
Most of my money goes on Booze and Hotel and such expences at New Year Party.
...priorities, its all about priorities...
:D
Pretty much like the landmines these items have no place in this discussion. But since you bring it up.Quote:
So why ban guns and knives etc? If it's ok to have fireworks just cos the few spoil it, what about guns? I used to love going on fields shooting targets (never animals).
I also collect knives but my current collection is ilegal and should have been handed in.
I suffered because of stupid people , was that fair?
Before you answer that, just tell me if a firework can kill?
These objects are designed to kill.
Fireworks aren't designed to kill people.
I hadn't thought of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Afronaut
A higher tax on fireworks. Brilliant.
This would fund any injuries, maybe put off idiots from buying them and reduce the questionable pollution.
Erm excuse me, I own several knive designed for working, a fish knife, survival knife, pen knives for cutting rope etc, these were not designed to kill, they are tools of trades, yet you are still not allowed to carry them.
As for you saying guns and kives have no place in this thread, surely that applies to cars, petrol and various other things mentioned?
My point is, you say cars and drink etc is dangerous, I say fireworks are worse, like guns (used on farms, designed to control pests, as is ilegal poisons you need a liscence for) they can kill and DO maim/kill , I'm sorry but even a billion people's enjoyment is not worth a human life.
Jonno :cool:
So we ban everything that could kill/injure someone? Is that what you're saying? :huh:
It doesn't work like that.Quote:
I'm sorry but even a billion people's enjoyment is not worth a human life.
No-one's saying that you can have fireworks but people have to die because of it.
No-one wants people to die but unfortunately it happens in very rare cases. I can accept it, we pay this price for everything in our lives. I truly hope that no-one does get hurt but if they do then so be it. It all boils down to my question that you have yet to answer satisfactorily.
Off-topic: With regards to your knives. Is it not possible to get a licence for them? If not then that is unfair (though nothing to do with this discussion) as like you say they are tools of a trade.
@ dan .... :blink: No, jesus I don't see whats so difficult to grasp here, the general sale of firworks is wrong.
Read back, this thread is about fireworks, not cars, not guns, not drinking or smoking or any pollution in other countries, this thread is about fireworks and bonfires.
Nothing more, nothing less :)
@ Cheese.... I'm sorry I will simply dissagree, a human life is worth more than any kind of pleasure, like I said to Manker (god forbid) but think if it was someone you loved got badly maimed or worse?
As for the knives, no, no liscence is available to my knowledge, all knives with over a 3" blade were to be handed in unless work tools and kept at the workplace.
Jonno :cool:
Until I read that statement I thought Jonno was just having a laugh and being obstinate for the sake of it, cause the problems that fireworks cause in society is akin to that of ballpoint pens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
Now It's clear that if he truly believes that then he sincerely believes he is right.
Ban everything!!!11111
Or guns or knives. Godamnit DanB how dare you cloud the issue with other things. :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
I don't see whats so difficult for you to grasp that we don't think it is .
Nothing more, nothing less :)
You just cant go around putting a ban on everything.
Look what happened on the passengers on the Titanic when they put a banned on ship.:wacko:
OK I know its siesta time.:lol:
Bob , that was a Band :lol:
@Manker......No I'm sorry, you guys are generalising things, if kinves can be banned and creosote can be banned, then why should'nt firworks? They banned the rest of the year.....Why is that?
How can you say "Right no one is allowed to sell or posses fireworks.....cept November" :blink:
@ Cheese......I mentioned guns and knives, try reading first :)
@dan..... Fair enough, we'll see the results 2morrow morning.
Anyhoo, I'm off out, gotta stock up on beer and fireworks for my party tonight :01:
I'm having my own display and wanna get some big un's :01:
Jonno :cool:
You can't have heard the news then Jono. Apparently Tony Blair read your thread and they just rushed through an emergency law in parlament banning their sale in Norfolk for the sake of the children :(
I know. I was taking the piss.Quote:
@ Cheese......I mentioned guns and knives, try reading first
Shit :( That's buggered my night up, damn Blair and his anti fireworks :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by DanB
@Cheese ......Nothing new there
@MJPF...... But this thread is about fireworks, not cars or smoking, altho smoking is being banned in public, thousands of pubs now don't allow it, and within the next 3 years there will be a total public ban.
Jonno :cool:
Let me get this straight, you have spent the last 3 hours bitching about fireworks and now you are off to buy some for later on? :blink: :frusty:
Well yeah, I like big bangs and thought I would aim some at my miserable neighbour :01:
It's an ironic joke Dan :rolleyes: I would'nt waste my money
Jonno :cool:
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Originally Posted by DanB
No, not round here, no smoking in pubs, hav'nt got any clubs :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
Besides, my ciggerette will not burn someones face off.
Right, I's going :01:
Jonno :cool:
I will light a fart tonight for you, Joncey!!
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YoFartFireNight
My mommy told me about this day on the weekend.
I wish we had it here, sounds fun. :(
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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
If the reason is so sick why do you have a special Guy Fawkes banner on your forum? :unsure:
That is a cool banner.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanB
Jonno might be the biggest hypocrite since flip flop McJock from aside loch McContradict but at least he's stylish :coolio:
Looking out the window there are, atm, 5 Bonfires within 50m in peoples gardens.
The big one on the field hasnt been lit yet :ph34r:
Some serious fireworks going off all over :lol:
Jonno
Prior to the abortive attempt to blow up the houses of Parliament the fire festival of Samhein was held throughout the country with lots and lots of bonfires. The whole Guy Fawkes thing has just been superimposed on an ancient tradition and moved sideways a couple of days. Likewise the burning effigy harks back to the somewhat scary Wickerman. The fireworks are the new bit to include the gunpowder plot.
It is celebrated in Scotland, we didn't even merge Parliaments until a hundred years after Guy Fawkes. However, records of the bonfires at this time pre-date Fawkes by hundreds of years.
Go out and enjoy - you are celebrating much more than the failure of a simple bomb plot. :)
Ok you're all right :)
I apologise :)
Selling bombs to anyone off the street is a good idea, shame our fire engine has just gone out tho, someone set light to the common, many animals and plant life will die, but it's worth it for a fun night :)
And I did'nt make that banner, nor did I put it up :P
Besides, it's a forum for many people, I'm just 1 person with an opinion, if it's wrong to have views on something then cast me down :)
Jonno :cool:
There will always be nobs that go too far Jonno, banning bonfires cos someone set fire to the common won't work, you'll have to ban matches and lighters too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
And its not just anyone, its anyone over 18
I hate to be a killjoy, but I don't think fireworks should be sold to the general public either. I see nothing wrong with people who know how to handle them properly holding shows, as they take the proper precautions.
But I don't agree with Joe Public walking into a shop to buy these things to play with in their gardens. I'm a big coward though, and am even scared of sparklers. Thats what people are missing though, fear. I have friends and family who get plastered, then set them off all over the place. My Uncle set his wig on fire with one, although it did amuse us all.
Exactly my point, those who think their wonderful usually have never seen bad things first hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by lilmiss
I used the "Posting thru letter box" line having remembered last year when you had a spout of it lilmiss.
Yes it's fun, I do like fireworks, especially the big ones :01:
But not in the hands of anyone who wants them :(
Which brings me to answer Dans point of only available to over 18's, so is alcohol, but I was drinking at 12, so do many others, how? People buying it for them. Yes you can say that should'nt happen and is ileagle, but the fact is, it does happen, it's a sad fact. Punishment does'nt work, we know that from alcohol etc, prevention is the only cure, and the only way to prevent it is a ban on public sales.
That is fact. Not an opinion.
Jonno :cool:
Oh! I thought you were complaining about the bonfires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
I totally agree - it is like bloody Beirut out there and has been for the last couple of weeks.
But who says punishment doesn't work. :devil:
I am Bigs, the fireworks thing was kinda side topic :lol:
Nah I just think the bonfire thing is ott, the air tonight will be horrendous, anyone with Asthma will recognise that statement, and somewhere earlier Dan said no one chucks tires on, sorry mate, yes they do, you should have a look round all the private ones, this is a chance for everyone to burn their crap rather than take it to the dump :rolleyes:
Jonno :cool:
But back to the original question put to you by Cheese over 6 hours ago why should the majority of people who are sensible and don't abuse the fireworks be punished for the small mindless minority?
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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
Land fill or bonfire?
Neither are really clear winners in the environment stakes are they?
At least charcol is really good for the soil. (Not tyres though - smelly, nasty, evil)
No, that's still an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
Even if fireworks were banned for public sale they would make their way into this country.
Less people would have them, of course, but then those that were here may not be as safe as those that were previously allowed here.
Someone blows themselves up with an illegal firework because they could no longer buy safer legal ones?
Or perhaps someone would make their own firework and kill themselves.
Or, more probably, they just injure themselves through stupidity from illegal fireworks.
So you see there is no way to prevent injuries at this time of year.
That's only my opinion. I wouldn't so silly as to say it was a fact.
Wow!!! :w00t:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
Even Biggles makes spelling mistakes.
I'm impressed. :cool:
Bonfire night is fantastic. :D
The big fire, the sparkly lights, the toffee apples.
It's all good and now part of tradition.
But it is all controlled.
Fair enough kids will go and devise things that will explode and make noises, but I'd say the majority of injuries are from bought fireworks, which are so easily aquired. Stricter age restrictions should be inforced, more policemen should be on the beat, and more information on the handling of such things should all happen. But it won't.
You could turn that round tho, why should you have at the expense of someone else's life?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanB
@Cheese.......No, what I said was fact, not an opinion, that IS what happens.
As for the smuggling market, that's such a crap argument :lol: So now they have banned guns it makes the problem worse?
@Biggle....Yeah, see I think the thing is that a lot of you live in cities where stuff like this can't be hidden that well, out here in the sticks people will be burning anything that burns, litterally, piles of crap, paint tins, tyres, anything thats is hard to get rid of........Bodies? :ph34r: :lol:
Jonno :cool:
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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
Well banning guns doesn't have any effect on the blackmarket ones does it?
I mean drugs are illegal but you don't have much trouble getting hold of them do you?
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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
You said that banning fireworks would be a prevention. I pointed out that it wasn't. People would still get hold of fireworks people would still get injured. I fail to see how that is a crap argument, I never said that the problem would get worse either. And what the hell have guns got to do with it?
So banning fireworks would, perhaps, be a way to reduce things but there is no such thing as prevention in this matter. You can flip-flop all you want but you know I'm right.
Now that's a fact. :)