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wow, I can't believe Zo can still get up to block like that...crazy.
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Originally Posted by manker
Wow, these playoff games are really close together. I never realised.
It's a good thing basketball isn't all that physically demanding.
You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes:
Playing basketball in the school yard is one thing, playing at a professional pace is totally different. I say this cause in most "pick-up" games, here anyway, they are mostly half-court. Try running around in a full court game :shifty:
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Originally Posted by RPerry
You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes:
Playing basketball in the school yard is one thing, playing at a professional pace is totally different. I say this cause in most "pick-up" games, here anyway, they are mostly half-court. Try running around in a full court game :shifty:
The skill factor regarding shooting/passing probably would give me problems and I expect I'd give away a lot of fouls, what with it being a non-contact sport.
But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.
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Originally Posted by manker
The skill factor regarding shooting/passing probably would give me problems and I expect I'd give away a lot of fouls, what with it being a non-contact sport.
But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.
I played before I played basketball.
I still played with the Spanish fellas when I was with my ex 2 years ago.
Quite fun. ;)
The thing about soccer is that anyone can pick it up. I said before.....who can't run and kick a ball.
Basketball involves a rule set that is not basic.
From 10 yards away I can easily kick a soccer ball into a net.
From 10 yards away many can't put a basketball through a hoop.
btw mank, tennis is a non-contact sport, basketball is a contact sport.
The fact that there are fouls kinda gives it away. :lol: :lol:
@RPerry - did you see when Tracy McGrady dunked on Shawn Bradley in the first round? It was almost as bad as when Vince Carter dunked on (I think) the French fella in Olympics time before last.
Shawn Bradley is over 7 feet tall ffs.
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Originally Posted by RPerry
You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes:
Playing basketball in the school yard is one thing, playing at a professional pace is totally different. I say this cause in most "pick-up" games, here anyway, they are mostly half-court. Try running around in a full court game :shifty:
Pick up games around here are full court.
I tore both my acl's (and my left meniscus) playing basketball and arthroscopic surgery (mainly to repair the meniscus) only on one knee about 8 years ago.
I never got reconstruction though and continued to play until about 3 weeks ago. I about to see the same orthopedic surgeon in 2 weeks 'cause my left knee was fucking up.
One day I was playing and shot a jumper on a fella and when I came down my knee buckle. I got a sub and tried to walk it off. My team end up losing.
2 games later my dumbass went back on the court limping and the fella that was checking me started talking shit so I got angry and started scoring on him left and right. I was shouting shit like, "You can't even check a cripple!!!"
Even though I scored like crazy (for a short pick up game) we still lost.
Further idiocy.....
The next week I play again..
My knee is still hurting and movement is hindered.
We had only one tall fella on our team against whole teams of mostly taller guys and we won 7 fucking games...and lost the 8th one.
The other teams were pissed that we stayed on the court all fucking day with the team we had.
Needless to say that day I told the fellas you will not see me up there for awhile....a long while. :( I thought about it for this Sunday coming up but yet I get this twinge of pain that let's me know...STAY YOUR ASS HOME.
It's killing me not being able to play. :angry: :frusty:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
@RPerry - did you see when Tracy McGrady dunked on Shawn Bradley in the first round? It was almost as bad as when Vince Carter dunked on (I think) the French fella in Olympics time before last.
Shawn Bradley is over 7 feet tall ffs.
beautiful... and I hate the rockets.
http://img244.echo.cx/img244/5720/4q6ee86nl.jpg
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Originally Posted by Busyman
@RPerry - did you see when Tracy McGrady dunked on Shawn Bradley in the first round? It was almost as bad as when Vince Carter dunked on (I think) the French fella in Olympics time before last.
Shawn Bradley is over 7 feet tall ffs.
Yes I did :lol:
Did you know Tracy McGrady and I went to the same High School ?
http://img54.echo.cx/img54/9852/phot...school27jt.jpg
no, not at the same time, I'm older than he is :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I played before I played basketball.
I still played with the Spanish fellas when I was with my ex 2 years ago.
Quite fun. ;)
The thing about soccer is that anyone can pick it up. I said before.....who can't run and kick a ball.
Basketball involves a rule set that is not basic.
From 10 yards away I can easily kick a soccer ball into a net.
From 10 yards away many can't put a basketball through a hoop.
btw mank, tennis is a non-contact sport, basketball is a contact sport.
The fact that there are fouls kinda gives it away. :lol: :lol:
So by that rationale, Football is the easiest sport in the world because you just have to run over a line holding the football. Nice one.
Also, by your rationale, tennis is a contact sport because sometimes the players shake hands during games.
Sometimes breaking everything down makes you sound kinda stoopid :1eye:
In Basketball incidental contact is okay provided it does not cause an advantage. From that I take it that the contact doesn't affect the gameplay and shouldn't affect the result. If it does then the ref hasn't done his job properly.
This is in direct contrast to full contact sports like rugby where contact is part of the gameplay and obviously affects the outcome.
Surely you see the distinction.
I could write more but you're fishing with that shit and it's not particularly subtle :D
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Originally Posted by busyman
From 10 yards away I can easily kick a soccer ball into a net.
From 10 yards away many can't put a basketball through a hoop.
don't you always complain because footy is uneventful? so obviously it's not that easy to score a goal :blink:
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Originally Posted by wanker
So by that rationale, Football is the easiest sport in the world because you just have to run over a line holding the football. Nice one.
Also, by your rationale, tennis is a contact sport because sometimes the players shake hands during games.
Sometimes breaking everything down makes you sound kinda stoopid :1eye:
In Basketball incidental contact is okay provided it does not cause an advantage. From that I take it that the contact doesn't affect the gameplay and shouldn't affect the result. If it does then the ref hasn't done his job properly.
This is in direct contrast to full contact sports like rugby where contact is part of the gameplay and obviously affects the outcome.
Surely you see the distinction.
I could write more but you're fishing with that shit and it's not particularly subtle :D
Oh wanker you just like being the bitch and showing that you are a dumb illogical piss ant. I said I gave you too much credit before, I guess, thinking you were an intellectual with the grammatafest stuff but you weren't even good at that. You are a polished turd.
I said nothing about the easiest sport in the world. I said soccer is easier to pick up (to play). Soccer's rules are simple and the game doesn't require that much special construction to play. The mechanics of play are simple.
If I take someone and tell them to kick this ball through a net and tell the same one to put this ball through a hole not that much larger than the ball, just 10 feet away, it's easier for him to kick a ball through the net.
This is captainobviously without taking defenders into consideration (seeing that I didn't do the same with basketball).
Your shit example of tennis has nothing to do with it's gameplay.
The object of soccer is not to kick an opposing player in the nuts yet it happens. Soccer has incidental contact and so does basketball. Basketball is a contact sport and so is soccer. You don't have to tackle someone for this to be true dipshit.
Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.
Once again you are in my pocket. Sometimes I wonder if you are this stupid, simply being a trolling turd, or both. :dry:
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Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny
That's funny as shit!!!! :lol: :lol:
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Originally Posted by RPerry
Interesting.....
He comes out of that same school and makes millions.
What's your occupation? :P
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I just showed this to my co-workers and we're still laughing!!!! :lol: :lol:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Oh wanker you just like being the bitch and showing that you are a dumb illogical piss ant. I said I gave you too much credit before, I guess, thinking you were an intellectual with the grammatafest stuff but you weren't even good at that. You are a polished turd.
I said nothing about the easiest sport in the world. I said soccer is easier to pick up (to play). Soccer's rules are simple and the game doesn't require that much special construction to play. The mechanics of play are simple.
If I take someone and tell them to kick this ball through a net and tell the same one to put this ball through a hole not that much larger than the ball, just 10 feet away, it's easier for him to kick a ball through the net.
This is captainobviously without taking defenders into consideration (seeing that I didn't do the same with basketball).
Your shit example of tennis has nothing to do with it's gameplay.
The object of soccer is not to kick an opposing player in the nuts yet it happens. Soccer has incidental contact and so does basketball. Basketball is a contact sport and so is soccer. You don't have to tackle someone for this to be true dipshit.
Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.
Once again you are in my pocket. Sometimes I wonder if you are this stupid, simply being a trolling turd, or both. :dry:
I'm stupid, a trolling turd yet still correct.
It's really difficult to argue when the other person is correct, isn't it.
I say that because you didn't counter a single point. You typed a lot but the comments were aimed at me, not my points.
Intentional contact in Basketball is against the rules, in soccer it is not. Bottom line right there :D
Btw, my easiest game in the world comment was taking your rationale to it's logical conclusion, Football is an intensely complicated, tactically intricate game yet all you do to score is carry the ball over the line. Surely you can see that your example is a bit rubbish.
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Originally Posted by manker
I'm stupid, a trolling turd yet still correct.
It's really difficult to argue when the other person is correct, isn't it.
I say that because you didn't counter a single point. You typed a lot but the comments were aimed at me, not my points.
Intentional contact in Basketball is against the rules, in soccer it is not. Bottom line right there :D
Those who know basketball are laughing at you right now. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and may as well shut the fuck up. See below......
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.
....RIF ya dipshit. In tennis you don't touch the other player; gameplay doesn't involve touching the other player. In basketball contact is PART OF THE GAME. It directly affects strategy in the game. Talk about what you know, like being a new and fresh turd. :dry:
Consider your shit point uh.......previously countered and countered again.
btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! :shit:
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Originally Posted by wanker
Btw, my easiest game in the world comment was taking your rationale to it's logical conclusion, Football is an intensely complicated, tactically intricate game yet all you do to score is carry the ball over the line. Surely you can see that your example is a bit rubbish.
WhoTF is talking about tactics?
Football is an easy sport to pick up besides the catching part.
Running and kicking are very basic. We've done it as 3 years-olds. We've played kick the can ffs.
It's one of things that makes soccer one of the easiest games to pick up.
Everyone on this forum knows it. You know it and I know it.
I really don't know what the fuss is. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Those who know basketball are laughing at you right now. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and may as well shut the fuck up. See below..........RIF ya dipshit. In tennis you don't touch the other player; gameplay doesn't involve touching the other player. In basketball contact is PART OF THE GAME. It directly affects strategy in the game. Talk about what you know, like being a new and fresh turd. :dry:
Consider your shit point uh.......previously countered and countered again.
btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! :shit:
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Originally Posted by wanker
Btw, my easiest game in the world comment was taking your rationale to it's logical conclusion, Football is an intensely complicated, tactically intricate game yet all you do to score is carry the ball over the line. Surely you can see that your example is a bit rubbish.
WhoTF is talking about tactics?
Football is an easy sport to pick up besides the catching part.
Running and kicking are very basic. We've done it as 3 years-olds. We've played kick the can ffs.
It's one of things that makes soccer one of the easiest games to pick up.
Everyone on this forum knows it. You know it and I know it.
I really don't know what the fuss is. :rolleyes:
I'm talking about tactics. I brought it in to see if you could see where your pseudo logic takes you. You can't but it's hardly surprising to me. To cut straight thro' the waffle - I didn't say that you could intentionally elbow a player in the eye, we call that a foul - just like if you intentionally touch a different player in basketball to gain an advantage. The difference being that you can use contact to your advantage legally in soccer, you cannot in basketball.
I really don't know why you're having difficulty with this.
LEGALLY you're not allowed to use contact to your advantage in basketball.
Not sure if writing it twice will help you understand but I'm all for assisting your comprehension. It seems necessary 'cause sometimes if it's drummed in enough times, you seem to get it eventually.
Now, to extrapolate upon your example and eventually equate it to basketball, in soccer it is possible to elbow their star player in the eye. It's not within the rules (I'm calling it illegal, the reason will become clear later - it's for your own benefit, 'k) so you might get sent off but maybe you can use it to your advantage. You can also foul the opposition in other ways to gain advantage. In basketball you can intentionally touch another player but you'll get penalised for it.
This is because within the context of the sport it's illegal. This is the crux of the matter and what I'm trying to explain to you.
Let's put it another way 'cause frankly I don't think you'll understand it otherwise.
In America, it's illegal to steal yet people still do it. If you ask an American policeman, or a member of the general public who understands these matters, if stealing is allowed he'll say NO, stealing is not allowed. That's despite it going on all the time. Similarly in basketball intentional contact happens all the time yet it's illegal but if I, a basketball n00b, asked the ref if it was okay for me to touch the other players to try to gain an advantage, he would say NO, that's not allowed.
There, I managed to get thro' all of that without calling you names. Go me.
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i agree with manker. if the rules say no contact it's a non-contact sport.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!!
You're not but tackling someone when they're about to score in soccer? Sounds like an excellent idea :ermm:
Keep reading those tactics books, Busy.
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so not being allowed to punch someone in the face makes something a non-contact sport?
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so not being allowed to punch someone in the face makes something a non-contact sport?
I think he was drunk.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Those who know basketball are laughing at you right now. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and may as well shut the fuck up. See below..........RIF ya dipshit. In tennis you don't touch the other player; gameplay doesn't involve touching the other player. In basketball contact is PART OF THE GAME. It directly affects strategy in the game. Talk about what you know, like being a new and fresh turd. :dry:
Consider your shit point uh.......previously countered and countered again.
btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! :shit:
WhoTF is talking about tactics?
Football is an easy sport to pick up besides the catching part.
Running and kicking are very basic. We've done it as 3 years-olds. We've played kick the can ffs.
It's one of things that makes soccer one of the easiest games to pick up.
Everyone on this forum knows it. You know it and I know it.
I really don't know what the fuss is. :rolleyes:
I'm talking about tactics. I brought it in to see if you could see where your pseudo logic takes you. You can't but it's hardly surprising to me. To cut straight thro' the waffle - I didn't say that you could intentionally elbow a player in the eye, we call that a foul - just like if you intentionally touch a different player in basketball to gain an advantage. The difference being that you can use contact to your advantage legally in soccer, you cannot in basketball.
I really don't know why you're having difficulty with this.
LEGALLY you're not allowed to use contact to your advantage in basketball.
Not sure if writing it twice will help you understand but I'm all for assisting your comprehension. It seems necessary 'cause sometimes if it's drummed in enough times, you seem to get it eventually.
Now, to extrapolate upon your example and eventually equate it to basketball, in soccer it is possible to elbow their star player in the eye. It's not within the rules (I'm calling it illegal, the reason will become clear later - it's for your own benefit, 'k) so you might get sent off but maybe you can use it to your advantage. You can also foul the opposition in other ways to gain advantage. In basketball you can intentionally touch another player but you'll get penalised for it.
This is because within the context of the sport it's illegal. This is the crux of the matter and what I'm trying to explain to you.
Let's put it another way 'cause frankly I don't think you'll understand it otherwise.
In America, it's illegal to steal yet people still do it. If you ask an American policeman, or a member of the general public who understands these matters, if stealing is allowed he'll say
NO, stealing is not allowed. That's despite it going on all the time. Similarly in basketball intentional contact happens all the time yet it's illegal but if I, a basketball n00b, asked the ref if it was okay for me to touch the other players to try to gain an advantage, he would say
NO, that's not allowed.
There, I managed to get thro' all of that without calling you names. Go me.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You don't know what you are talking about.
If don't know the rules of basketball why not STFU?
Basketball is a contact sport. Contact is allowed. Period.
Let me post this again...since you are having a hard time reading.....
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.
Hell fouling is part of the game. The Chicago came back from 10 down in a minute 'cause they kept hitting 3-pointers and we were missing our foul shots.
At the very least, talk about a sport that you know.
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Originally Posted by manker
You're not but tackling someone when they're about to score in soccer? Sounds like an excellent idea :ermm:
Keep reading those tactics books, Busy.
Well you are the one that said intentional contact in soccer is coowol. :cool:
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when i used to play at school, we could be as obstructive as we want but physical contact was out of the question
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Sure. Intentional contact occurs in a Basketball game to secure an advantage for a team - I think we've established that and its painfully obvious. However, it is not legal and definitely pinpoints a clear distinction between this sport and full contact sports.
In this instance full contact is tautologos and as such should be avoided as a term. Hence to distinguish from sports where contact is allowed, sports where intentional contact is not allowed are termed non-contact. This is not to say that people who call them non-contact sports are naive enough to think that there is no contact throughout the course of a game.
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a. A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an oppo-nent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a posi-tion that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.
b. Contact initiated by the defensive player guarding a player with the ball is not legal. This contact includes, but is not limited to, forearm, hands, or body check.
Dribbler:
a. A dribbler shall not charge into an opponent who has established a legal guarding position
b. If a defender is able to establish a legal position in the straight line path of the dribbler, the dribbler must avoid contact by changing direction or ending his dribble.
Summation:
If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul--penalty will be assessed
Intentional contact is illegal in basketball. It is not in soccer. That's all I wanted to say and is sure as hell all I'm asserting. As you rightly say, I have no clue about basketball. That said, it seems as if I've taught you something.
Edit: I could have quoted the rules ages ago but you getting het up enough to underpin the opposing argument by calling someone on the interweb a new and fresh turd greatly entertains me.
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Originally Posted by manker
Sure. Intentional contact occurs in a Basketball game to secure an advantage for a team - I think we've established that and its painfully obvious. However, it is not legal and definitely pinpoints a clear distinction between this sport and full contact sports.
In this instance full contact is tautologos and as such should be avoided as a term. Hence to distinguish from sports where contact is allowed, sports where intentional contact is not allowed are termed non-contact. This is not to say that people who call them non-contact sports are naive enough to think that there is no contact throughout the course of a game.
Intentional contact is illegal in basketball. It is not in soccer. That's all I wanted to say and is sure as hell all I'm asserting. As you rightly say, I have no clue about basketball. That said, it seems as if I've taught you something.
Edit: I could have quoted the rules ages ago but you getting het up enough to underpin the opposing argument by calling someone on the interweb a new and fresh turd greatly entertains me.
........and I was waiting for teh googling.
What is considered illegal in basketball (the intentional fouls) are part of the strategy of the game.
This is where your book sense (or googlemeistering) doesn't meet up with your common sense.
You see I've played the game. I know your not allowed to push a person to steal the ball. You've added nothing.
Read up on fouls and their application and get back to me.
Also download a video of someone getting a blind-side pick and tell me about contact.
A posting player is allowed to back up to an opposing player. They just can't knock him down or "dislodge" him.
I was the one who established fouls as gaining an advantage for a team. I never said basketball was a full contact sport.
I said it was contact sport and it is.
If you want to technical, in soccer you are not allowed to hold, push, kick, trip, bludgeon opponents either so what are you talking about? Any legal contact is incidental.
In that case neither is a contact sport. :ermm:
I think contact sports involve contact. They don't have to involve tackling ffs.
Saying basketball it is not is like grouping it with tennis.
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tackling is contact, no doubt about that.
and why do americans have such a big problem with research?
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Oooh, how polite :happy:
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Originally Posted by Busy
I was the one who established fouls as gaining an advantage for a team. I never said basketball was a full contact sport.
I've already demonstrated that full contact is tautological hence to distinguish where intentional contact is allowed it makes sense. You're arguing semantics, which is pointless.
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Originally Posted by Busy
If you want to technical, in soccer you are not allowed to hold, push, kick, trip, bludgeon opponents either so what are you talking about? Any legal contact is incidental
That's just the thing; it's not incidental, it's intentional. That's the difference because it's perfectly legal. Also in soccer you are allowed to push, kick and trip your opponents. That's what happens, tho' not every time, when you make a legal tackle.
Now, I've not quoted the rest because either I agree or you've misunderstood what I wrote. Suffice is to say that my original, and only, assertion was that intentional contact is NOT allowed in basketball but is allowed in soccer -- quoting the rules established what I supposed.
That's really all I'm interested in, it's been borne out so I'm completely satisfied :)
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Originally Posted by manker
Oooh, how polite :happy:
I've already demonstrated that full contact is tautological hence to distinguish where intentional contact is allowed it makes sense. You're arguing semantics, which is pointless.
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Originally Posted by Busy
If you want to technical, in soccer you are not allowed to hold, push, kick, trip, bludgeon opponents either so what are you talking about? Any legal contact is incidental
That's just the thing; it's not incidental, it's intentional. That's the difference because it's perfectly legal. Also in soccer you are allowed to push, kick and trip your opponents. That's what happens, tho' not every time, when you make a legal tackle.
Now, I've not quoted the rest because either I agree or you've misunderstood what I wrote. Suffice is to say that my original, and only, assertion was that intentional contact is NOT allowed in basketball but is allowed in soccer -- quoting the rules established what I supposed.
That's really all I'm interested in, it's been borne out so I'm completely satisfied :)
You still must play the ball in a legal tackle. If an NBA player blocks a shot and then knocks an opponent down (after blocking and in the same motion) it's considered a blocked shot, not a foul.
You brought up full contact in the first place. I originally had no interest in arguing it tbh.
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Originally Posted by manker
Oooh, how polite :happy:
I've already demonstrated that full contact is tautological hence to distinguish where intentional contact is allowed it makes sense. You're arguing semantics, which is pointless.
That's just the thing; it's not incidental, it's intentional. That's the difference because it's perfectly legal. Also in soccer you are allowed to push, kick and trip your opponents. That's what happens, tho' not every time, when you make a legal tackle.
Now, I've not quoted the rest because either I agree or you've misunderstood what I wrote. Suffice is to say that my original, and only, assertion was that intentional contact is NOT allowed in basketball but is allowed in soccer -- quoting the rules established what I supposed.
That's really all I'm interested in, it's been borne out so I'm completely satisfied :)
You still must play the ball in a legal tackle. If an NBA player blocks a shot and then knocks an opponent down (after blocking and in the same motion) it's considered a blocked shot, not a foul.
You brought up
full contact in the first place. I originally had no interest in arguing it tbh.
I only brought it up to illustrate why I, and others, don't use it.
Now, to tackle a player, the object is to get the ball. So of course the tackler has to play the ball, this goes without saying. The incidental contact you refer to isn't a parallel because intentional contact before, during or after a tackle is still allowed in soccer. This is not the case with the other.
I'm tired of this now, obviously intentional contact is allowed in soccer and isn't in basketball, you disputing it my point is futile because it's written in the rules.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
You still must play the ball in a legal tackle. If an NBA player blocks a shot and then knocks an opponent down (after blocking and in the same motion) it's considered a blocked shot, not a foul.
You brought up full contact in the first place. I originally had no interest in arguing it tbh.
I only brought it up to illustrate why I, and others,
don't use it.
Now, to tackle a player, the object is to get the ball. So of course the tackler has to play the ball, this goes without saying. The incidental contact you refer to isn't a parallel because intentional contact before, during or after a tackle is still allowed in soccer. This is not the case with the other.
I'm tired of this now, obviously intentional contact is allowed in soccer and isn't in basketball, you disputing it my point is futile because it's written in the rules.
In the rules of soccer, intentional contact before the ball is not legal. It is allowed by refs.
How could you tire of something that you intentionally made comment about just to get a response. Oh yeah, I've peeped that long ago.
For one thing, a tackle in football and soccer are entirely different. In football, it's intent is to knock a player down. In soccer it's stealing the ball....if the opposing player is knocked off balance during this...so be it. Seems incidental.
Player to player contact in a sport that involves that contact in it's strategy and affects outcome makes that sport a contact sport.
Tennis - no
Football - yes
Soccer - yes
Bowling - no
Golf - no
Basketball - yes
It's you who argue semantics.
You obviously don't understand the game of basketball yet I understand soccer. That much is captainobvious.
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In soccer you are allowed shoulder to shoulder contact before you make a tackle, 'k.
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Meh. I got a while before t'food is done.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
In the rules of soccer, intentional contact before the ball is not legal. It is allowed by refs.
Actually it's legal, the refs allow it because it's legal and in the rules of the game.
How could you tire of something that you intentionally made comment about just to get a response. Oh yeah, I've peeped that long ago.
I'm just bored of it, I proved my point a while ago and I've no wish to give you more straws at which to grasp.
For one thing, a tackle in football and soccer are entirely different. In football, it's intent is to knock a player down. In soccer it's stealing the ball....if the opposing player is knocked off balance during this...so be it. Seems incidental.
Well, it depends, sometimes the only way to get the ball is by a sliding tackle whereby you have to knock a player off his feet to get the ball.
Player to player contact in a sport that involves that contact in it's strategy and affects outcome makes that sport a contact sport.
Like I said. I'm not talking about affecting the outcome, I'm talking about THE RULES.
In basketball you're not allowed to make intentional contact with another player, in soccer you are.
Tennis - no
Football - yes
Soccer - yes
Bowling - no
Golf - no
Basketball - yes
Even a handshake could, theoretically, determine the outcome. If a player offers one where it is not warranted then it's possibly gamesmanship and both players mindsets could be affected by this.
It's you who argue semantics.
I know I am but what are you. This line of reasoning is prevalent in your discourse - and it's a bit childish.
You obviously don't understand the game of basketball yet I understand soccer. That much is captainobvious.
I know I am but what are you. This line of reasoning is prevalent in your discourse - and it's a bit childish. Anyway, I understand the rules of soccer with perfect clarity, even the administrative/transfer side of the game.
Yawn.
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Meh. I got a while before t'food is done.Yawn.
All this shit comes from you saying basketball isn't a contact sport yet contact is part of the sport and it's strategy.
You are wrong and everyone knows it.
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Well, it depends, sometimes the only way to get the ball is by a sliding tackle whereby you have to knock a player off his feet to get the ball.
Like I said. I'm not talking about affecting the outcome, I'm talking about THE RULES.
Well, what you say regarding a sliding tackle is illegal.
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All this shit comes from you saying basketball isn't a contact sport yet contact is part of the sport and it's strategy.
You are wrong and everyone knows it.
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Originally Posted by manker
Well, it depends, sometimes the only way to get the ball is by a sliding tackle whereby you have to knock a player off his feet to get the ball.
Like I said. I'm not talking about affecting the outcome, I'm talking about THE RULES.
Well, what you say regarding a sliding tackle is illegal.
No it isn't.
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All this shit comes from you saying basketball isn't a contact sport yet contact is part of the sport and it's strategy.
You are wrong and everyone knows it.
Well, what you say regarding a sliding tackle is illegal.
No it isn't.
Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?
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No it isn't.
Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?
No, Busy. That's a different sport.
Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
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Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?
No, Busy. That's a different sport.
Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
Would we agree....
book knowledge (or google) versus common sense. :wacko:
What different sport? :huh: I could have said Roman. I was being facetious.
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The wizards are great, but ive got no clue what their stand is/was against the heat... what are they at now?
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The wizards are great, but ive got no clue what their stand is/was against the heat... what are they at now?
They lost.
They are down 0 - 3.
It was a great game but they fucked up. Shaq didn't play ffs. The Wizards made Alonzo look like Shaq. He had like 5 blocks. :(
I made a killing on tickets though. I bought extras and sold them at a premium. :naughty:
I'm going tonight as well. Game at 8pm. I don't think they'll sweep us.
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No, Busy. That's a different sport.
Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
Would we agree....
official rules versus what i made up. :wacko:
What different sport? :huh: I could have said Roman. I was being facetious.
sorry. that's just how i read it :shutup:
