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Originally Posted by SnnY
So if I open a shop in your town, I am required to offer everything? No, I offer what I want.
You don't like it, go elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by SnnY
So if I open a shop in your town, I am required to offer everything? No, I offer what I want.
You don't like it, go elsewhere.
What we are stating is that all UK pharmacies are under contract as part of being granted permission to operate...... this is what a "license" is.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
They may be privately owned but they have to operate by specific rules.
Well they should put a big sign at the entrance to the shop of what they are not willing to do, or sell. If they dont do that then someone should sue them for the embarrassment if they are refused without reasonable grounds. I dont consider religion reasonable grounds. I am sure a court would take the same stance.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
In this instance the produce was held in stock. :) Why stock it if you are not going to sell it?
No, a license is to provide approved drugs, it does not obligate one to provide all approved drugs. If it does then I will gladly shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
My philosophy is that any person that opens a business can sell what he wishes. If his views on what should be provided are at odds with society then he shall go bankrupt.
My point is that if I wish to provide a portion of the drugs a community needs, that is my wish. Boab stated in his initial post that I should loss my license. I say "no", let me sell what I please and let the market determine if I stay in business or not.
You are completely right. Nothing more to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
It was an internal problem.
A Chemist licensed to issue prescription drugs is controlled strictly and is duty bound to try and fulfil a doctor's prescription and the bulk of the cost of these drugs are met through the NHS.
A Pharmacy in the UK does not have to have a dispensing Chemist on the premises and tends to sell a wide variety of over the counter medicines including herbal and other alternative medicines.
Boots the Chemist (to give them their full name) operate under the first scenario - although they sell lots of other things too.
However, the situation is slightly academic as it was not a case of choosing to not stock the item but rather one individual refusing to handle the item. An internal matter for Boots and pain in the butt for the customer who would have rightly expected better from a Boots employee.
I am going to bed while I am ahead. Before you think of something I cant reply to. :lol: :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
Biggles,
Can I operate a facility I call a "pharmacy" in the UK and carry what drugs I think are most cost effective? Or do I have to carry what the government insists upon?
Night Boab, pleasant dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
No, you can operate a "pharmacy" and sell medicnes based purely on water if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
You can't call it a dispensing Chemist though.
:ermm: If that makes it clearer?
I think "bed" is probably a good place for me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
Night Hobbes. The government supplies the Pharmacists with a list of prescription drugs that they have to keep a reasonable supply of. I suppose they will run the stock with normal methods of shopkeeping. Supply and demand etc.
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Originally Posted by hobbes
Me too
Night all
Waltons Mountain revisted :helpsmili
Ok English > American translation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
Pharmacist goes to med school, qualifies and is granted a license to dispense drugs.
Business wishes to open that dispenses prescription drugs and for that the business requires a license to operate. ( and that license is dependent on rules and regulations governing the pharmaceutical trade )
One of the conditions is that at all times a licensed pharmacist is on duty at all times when doing trade.
BTW... the stores are called chemist in the UK
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Originally Posted by Biggles
Goodnight, Johnboy.
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A pharmacist NEVER goes to med school, ever. They are not Doctors that understand drugs and how they react in patients, they are trained in pharmacology.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
Correct, they have to complete a masters degree in Pharmacy here in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
it is not "doctor" med school but it is a "medical" schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
Uk pharmacist are different to US. They are not doctors and do not have the ability to write prescriptions but they do have to have an understanding of the drugs.
there are many drugs sold over the counter in the UK that are not here, but then "over the counter" in the UK is not the same either. here it means on the shelf and one can serve oneself. In the uk it means one has to ask the pharmacist for it and he has to ask certain health related questions as well as make sure you are not taking any other drugs that may cause adverse effects if taken during the treatment time.
Uk pharmacist can give consultations on medical matters to a certain degree
And so, how does that relate to this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
Pharmacists are people who fulfill a prescription that an MD writes. No pharmacist needs to fulfill a prescription that goes against his religion.
Filling prescriptions is a job, not filling them is a philosophy.
Any business owner can do what he pleases.
I think we are talking at crossed connections here. Are you saying they can or should be able to?Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
we have been pointing out the legal obligations required of a uk dispensing chemist in order to be licensed as a dispensing chemist business. And this thread is about a uk chemist business.
the uk has a social health system and dispensaries for want of a better description operate under a government licensed contract. If they don't have a drug in stock they must have a supply source where they can get it within a reasonable time, assuming there isn't another chemist nearby that has it in stock that they can direct the customer to
I stated earlier that I have no idea what each state requires here, although I am sure there are regulations that go against your free market stance.
In America, a pharmacy can refuse to sell what they want.
But that's America.
I hope they sell air freshener, there seems to be an old fart drifting around. :blink:
Is anyone else going to answer the thread question differently or is there someone with the same insight that we've heard before. :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
Seriously though, thanks for the clarification on the morning after pill. I thought I heard something about "it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall" but didn't know it prevented ovulation. ;)
[QUOTE=Busyman]Is anyone else going to answer the thread question differently or is there someone with the same insight that we've heard before. :dry:
You have challenged me, Busyman. :D
I live in a small town, but do not get my all my prescriptions from the local pharmacy. I do most of my business at a pharmacy 25 miles away. Not for the same reasons as mentioned in the thread. More as a way to keep my pharmacy choices my business, and not the whole towns. ;)
The distant pharmacy actually delivers daily to their customers in our town. There is no extra charge for this, probably because quite a bit of business is done by this pharmacy in our town.
Bigboab, if your local pharmacy has chosen to overlook some customer's needs, and nothing legal can be done about this, could this be an option?
[QUOTE=Everose]Thanks Evey. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
I have Kaiser Permanente for medical and they have their own pharmacy. It's not really a "town" pharmacy.
I have a CVS and Rite Aid 3 miles from my house (they are literally across the street from each other), another CVS 4 miles away, another 2 miles away in the other direction and the Kaiser is next to the CVS that's 4 miles away. All of these are in some way on my way from work except for the one CVS 2 miles away and that's closest to home.
Dontcha love metropolitan areas? Ironically I live in a farm area that's part of the Washington Metropolitan area. :blink:
Rose
Yes most 'Chemists' do home deliveries. I actually saw this incident reported in the Sunday papers. Had it happened to me I would have had the option to go to another 'Chemist' as there are five in the town. I would have reported the shop to my doctor nevertheless. Not that i have much need for the product.
@ Lynx. If you have a flatulence problem I hope it would not be remiss of me to suggest that you visit one of the above establishments. I have heard that they stock stuff that could help you. Considering your age it would be unkind of them to refuse. :whistling
A Boots assistant once refused to sell me multivitamins and cod liver oil tablets at the same time, saying that if I took both at the same time I would be exceeding my Reccommended Daily Allowance of something or other...
Quite often they refuse to sell me more than one packet of paracetamol capsules at a time too. (must be that miserable expression on my face when I've got a migraine... :frusty: )
Anyway, bottom line is, Boots are a law unto themselves, just deal with it. (I managed to get my multivitamins with no trouble on the following day..)
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Now that's interesting...Quote:
Originally Posted by barbarossa
It sounds like Boots needs some mindyourbusinessism.
What if you wanted 2 packages of multivitamins?
What if the multivitamins and cod liver oil tablets were for different people?
To much meddling imo. :dry:
A pharmacy like that around here would make the news and the corporate owners would be boycotted.
Too much vitamin A killed some explorer or other that ate a Polar Bear's liver on an Arctic expedition. Taking a lot of paracetamol is bad for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
So a Boots employee decided not to sell something that could be bad for a person's health.
Sounds like he or she was being responsible - or in the case of the paracetamol, obeying the law.
i believe that many companies have policies like that. it may seem like meddling but there are reasons under the policy. Some times it does seem silly though with rules like only selling one bottle of asprin at a time.....just go next door and buy another bottle there. I believe i read somewhere that many on the shelf drugs are supplied in smaller packets as well (25 tablets instead of 100)
In my state one is carded (has to give ID) to buy alcohol and tobbacco..... even if you are obviously in you late 70s.
Home depot will not sell adhesive, spray paint or many cleaning products to anyone under 18 here. I assume that may not just be local policy.
The paracetamol yes, I guess...neva hoid uv it. Is it prescribed or otc?Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
The other stuff, no but there again is a difference between the UK an America.
OTC medication is just that. I bought buy 1 get 1 free vitamins at CVS and some "overlapped".
Another instance the pharmacist needing some mindyourbusinessism is the fact that colin can take 2 multivitamins at a time to exceed his RDA.
To much meddling.
Furthermore if a record of colin's purchases are not kept (like prescriptions) then the Boot's employee was just being a dick if colin could come back on a shift change and get the same product.....again.
What a waste. :dry:
That sounds like bullshit to me. :dry: If I wanted to talk to a health care prefessional then ide go see my doctor. It's bad enough when my doctor refuses to prescribe me stuff (I swear I have legit medical use for all of them) I dont need to have that shit from pharmacy people too. :01:Quote:
Originally Posted by barbarossa
That assistant (and whoever came up with that law) is under the very flawed assumption that your gonna shove all the drugs down your throat the second you walk out the store. :whistling Not take them in moderation and take one at a time. :w00t:
And for the person who argues that pharmacies can prescribe whatever they want, medicine is not a commodity. :cool:
Well some of those are easily explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
colin's is a case of adult treated like a child syndrome. At some point personal responsibility takes effect for OVER THE COUNTER MEDICATION.
The alcohol carding is too remain consistent and who's going to boycott Home Depot for not selling those things to children? :huh:
There won't be many protesters if so.
As far as Boots...here some immortal words for them.
"Im a grown-ass man, dawg"
Paracetamol is an over the counter drug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
I guess it does seem like pedantry not to sell 2 lots of multivitamins but if the assistant sold Colin the tablets and he got poorly then decided to sue Boots for not warning him that it could happen, the assistant's employers wouldn't be best pleased.
The assistant was doing her job correctly. Her boss was protecting his company's interests.
I'm kewl with that.
The bad part is....pharmacies shouldn't prescribing a damn thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arm
Just hand me what's already been prescribed (or definitely OTC) and try to answer MY FUCKING QUESTIONS. (there's my rehash)
:D
If you open a pharmacy here?Quote:
Originally Posted by hobbes
Then yes, you are.
If you open a supermarket or a shoestore, or something else, then you can chose what to sell and what not to sell.
Pharmacies aren't regular shops here, and that's the law.
There are stores that call themselves "natural pharmacies" (direct translation) here as well, but such places are limited to selling vitamins and alternative medicine.
From what I remember from medschool anything classed as medication can more or less only be sold at a licensed pharmacy. Some things you might associate with pharmacies, however, (like condoms) can be bought in other places.
Pharmacies, like liquor stores, are controlled by the government here, and aren't really part of the private sector. Sort of state-run monopolies. You can run one, and I guess in a sense own one, but you can't dictate store-policies on your own.
Pharmacists have to have a license, and they have to be properly educated to be eligible to work in a pharmacy. Incidentally, it's possible to start off via medschool, and do the basic training there, as the curriculum entails pharmacology, and then specialize in the field of pharmacology and thus become a pharmacist further on, or you can start off doing natural sciences and then become a pharmacist that way.
Pharmacists are also bound by an oath of confidentiality, and are required to have signed the same kind of agreements that doctors do regarding confidentiality.
The british system is somewhat different, but some of the same rules also apply there, at least regarding ethics and duty.
In the UK people are advised to go to a doctor as a last resort. They are asked to go to their local pharmacy to see if their problem can be resolved there. If the pharmacist thinks that the patient requires to see a doctor he/she will say so. Exempting emergencies, I can see this becoming mandatory soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Pharmacists here have to go through certian training too but so do barbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnnY
If I go to pharmacy in your example and I want headache medicine the pharmacy must supply it.
What if it's not in stock? What about certain brand names? Is that dictated by the government?
Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Pharmacies prescribe medicine.
they have no obligation for over the counter/ on the shelf drugs. they can stock whatever brand they wish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
as to presciption drugs being in stock any good business would keep a good supply of high traffic items such as antibiotics, but they don't have to have everything in stock at all times. They do however have to be able to get the item in a reasonable time.
they can recommend over the counter drugs but not prescription only drugs. If you need those they will direct you to your doctorQuote:
Gotcha.
Pharmacies prescribe medicine.