Patriotism = Parochialism

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Nice tactic, if it doesn't fit your hypothesis then ignore it.

Oh and that post was a tad badly written, however I won't let the exception detract from the rule.

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The exceptions can be explained, but if the concept is already apparent then why bother. I have yet to hear of an succesful agnostic in a healthy relationship who turned to Christ in no apparent crisis. The converters are those who have hit rock bottom in life, from drugs, alcohol, death in the family, and they are desperate for something, someone, anything, to take them by the hand and tell them it will be ok. Very susceptible lot are the emotionally crushed.

I'm glad you agree that my point was correct, or did you just choose not to comment on it?

And I believe you meant poorly written unless, of course, you are commenting on my penmanship.

Has it every occurred to you that people who post material you do not agree with are actually making honest, valid points and not using clever turns of phrases or tactics. You seem to think that labeling things in such a way makes it so. It does not.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

I'm actually insulted by the above comments. As one who does not believe in God or an afterlife, you will find that I act just as politely/morally as one doing so because they fear Gods' wrath. I don't need your "security blanket" and quite frankly, I'm terrified that you need one to keep control of yourself.

I understand that for a society to work we must have rules about interaction. If we all obey these rules I can be sure that my house will be mine when I get home. If society imposes laws and penalties, these can keep in line, as in Athiestic China.

Imagine a world in which we drop all the stories about exactly who God is and exactly what he wants and just go with a "God concept". It dictates that we are placed here by some God as a priviledge and we should treat the Earth and our fellow mankind kindly and fairly.

This would end all the bickering about manmade documents. As I stated before, the unitarian church already exists and allows people to focus on their union as humans one and allows the individual to define what God means to him.

Do I need devine intervention to come forth with a set of commandments to tell me right from wrong. No, not at all. If you are acting selfishly, you are not acting morally, simple as that. I mean when you read the 10 commandments, is any of them not obvious? Do you say, good thing we have a list or I would be lying and cheating and never thought it wrong?

But rather than just accept a less personal God concept, mankind seems to require a "cookbook" they can follow and when they die they will get exactly what the book states. Too many cookbooks can spoil the broth.

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Please get off the high horse bones 'cause I sure ain't on it.
If you feel insulted that's really just too bad.

There are atheists that live just fine morally and there are Christians that don't.
Big deal.

No one said that you needed intervention. Some other folks do or it just simply helps.

You don't do "wrong" things because you believe it's just wrong; you believe it's selfish.
A religious person may believe the same but...under different circumstances, you have to be a plain atheist idiot to NOT believe that a person may halt their own human urge to...let's say....kill someone if they believe that, past your law, they believe they are going to hell in the afterlife.

I haven't knocked your atheism in the least yet you are gettin' all offended and shit. Boo-hoo :cry:

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What the hell do you think would stop my off-the-high-horse selfish ass from cappin' you in a dark alley simply because I don't want to deal with you further?

It certainly wouldn't be my conscience and the law may catch up with me afterwards but alas then it's too late bubba.

You'd then be the nothing that you have faith in.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

What the hell do you think would stop my off-the-high-horse selfish ass from cappin' you in a dark alley simply because I don't want to deal with you further?

It certainly wouldn't be my conscience and the law may catch up with me afterwards but alas then it's too late bubba.

You'd then be the nothing that you have faith in.

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Humans are the only animals that curb their "selfish" instincts because they understand that at some point they may need the assistance of others.

I don't shoot you because I may turn around and be shot. A lawless world filled with the selfish gratification of our animal urges would have no security.

And security, in several different facets(self esteem, home, the future, financial), as already discussed in this thread is what humans desire most.

If people don't kill because they fear God's wrath, then they completely missed God's message about loving and forgiving in the first place. They are certainly going to feel his wrath come judgement day based on how they approach life. They might as well kill, it will make no difference in the end.

Being religious does does not necessary make you a good person. Just as being non-religious does not necessary make you a bad person. It is in your genes. You are either good or bad. Nothing will change that. Please dont talk about reformed characters, the majority given the opportunity return to their old ways.
The only people who are truly reformed are people who have developed their bad ways through through 'custom and usage' and did not know any other way.

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Some religious people will not compromise. Neither will some Republicans, some black people, some women, you tar every religious person with the same brush. Frankly your generalisations are beneath you.

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I can only apologize for offending you, it was not my intention. Sometimes when we discuss things as generalizations it can insult an individual who does not fit the trend.

My goal is not to offend or trick, just discuss things as my experience has taught me.

I cannot deny my belief that brainwashing is a very powerful tool used by many religions and abused by many religions (suicide bombers)to recruit and control people.

That is my experience growing up in St. Louis where many people are born and raised Catholic and never see a public school.

I strongly believe that "faith" is intimately related to "loyalty and home". I think we all have a strong connection to our place of birth and our country. Our hometown became part of the fabric of who we are, our country as well. I remember that we would say the "Pledge of Allegiance" every morning in pre-school and kindergarten and the person who's birthday it was got to hold the American flag.

These events and re-enforced beliefs permeate a very liquid mind and when this mind hardens at 6 or 7, these beliefs are trapped forever within and they are beliefs which are very difficult to alter.

I use 6 or 7 because it is said that if a child that learns a new language before this age he will pick it up without flaw, after this age, he will speak with an accent as some center in the mind has closed.

I think faith is one of those things that are set in the mind at a young age through continued and consistent re-enforcement and gets solidified therein.

For myself, although I have lived in Texas for 9 years and I live in a town where the basketball team has won 2 NBA titles, I don't view myself in any way as a Texan, I just live here. I like basketball, but I am completely indifferent to the Spurs. I live and die by my Missouri Tigers basketball and St. Louis Cardinal baseball because they have been with me since I can remember.

Interestingly, the St. Louis Cardinal football team left our city in 1987, they were my team. We later got a new team called the Rams, and although they are the St. Louis Rams, I really don't have any passion for the team, because they are not the Cardinals. I did not grow up supporting the Rams. I root for the Rams, but even when they lost the Superbowl to the Patriots, I was like "oh well". Mind you, the Cardinals NEVER made it to the SuperBowl in their history, so getting to the SuperBowl is a huge accomplishment.

I cannot explain to you why I have such passion for Cardinal baseball,
I just do. It is not objective or logical and there is no way you could talk me into being passionate for a different team. It is a feeling lodged into my solidified psyche, just as I feel that your "faith" is in you.

I personally don't even understand the term "faith" as it was not part of my upbringing. My parents never mentioned God, either in a good nor bad way. If I were to convert today, I would never actually have "faith", but more just hope that the religion I was practicing was right.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Humans are the only animals that curb their "selfish" instincts because they understand that at some point they may need the assistance of others.

I don't shoot you because I may turn around and be shot. A lawless world filled with the selfish gratification of our animal urges would have no security.

And security, in several different facets(self esteem, home, the future, financial), as already discussed in this thread is what humans desire most.

If people don't kill because they fear God's wrath, then they completely missed God's message about loving and forgiving in the first place. They are certainly going to feel his wrath come judgement day based on how they approach life. They might as well kill, it will make no difference in the end.

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I get what you are saying about security but you fail to my point.

If I want to kill you I don't give a fuck about security unless it's to save my own ass.
I would hope you had stepped outside of your atheist thinking.

Belief that there is a higher power other than the law watching over what you do can and does halt many adverse things from happening.
It's logical.

It may stop a person from killing the rapist/murderer that killed their daughter.
It may help someone get through their parents get being killed in a car accident.
You can't be this much of an arrogant idiot. Say it ain't so.....

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

1. People are raised in a faith and brainwashed as children.

2. People who convert later in life are "those who have hit rock bottom in life, from drugs, alcohol, death in the family, and they are desperate for something, someone, anything, to take them by the hand and tell them it will be ok"

3. Religious people will not compromise with other religions.

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I, for example, fit none of those.
You have to excuse hobbes. He's a college graduate and sometimes books take away some of the common sense. :dry:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I get what you are saying about security but you fail to my point.

If I want to kill you I don't give a fuck about security unless it's to save my own ass.
I would hope you had stepped outside of your atheist thinking.

Belief that there is a higher power other than the law watching over what you do can and does halt many adverse things from happening.
It's logical.

It may stop a person from killing the rapist/murderer that killed their daughter.
It may help someone get through their parents get being killed in a car accident.
You can't be this much of an arrogant idiot. Say it ain't so.....

I, for example, fit none of those.
You have to excuse hobbes. He's a college graduate and sometimes books take away some of the common sense. :dry:

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Well people in Russia and China aren't randomly killing each other and they aren't worried about God. So I guess you're wrong. :dry: Religious people kill all the time to save their own ass. What do you think is going on in Iraq. Being Christian certainly didn't seem to stop Bush.

I must apologise for being a college graduate. You see in college, the content of the books is largely forgotten, it is the ability to sift through information and seperate the wheat from the chaff which is important. Actually, I have never claimed to be a college graduate, are you just making stuff up?

By the way, how many times do i have to post that I am agnostic before you actually understand that?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

I cannot explain to you why I have such passion for Cardinal baseball,
I just do. It is not objective or logical and there is no way you could talk me into being passionate for a different team. It is a feeling lodged into my solidified psyche, just as I feel that your "faith" is in you.

I personally don't even understand the term "faith" as it was not part of my upbringing. My parents never mentioned God, either in a good nor bad way. If I were to convert today, I would never actually have "faith", but more just hope that the religion I was practicing was right.

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It sounds to be like you are more indifferent to non-atheists than I would be to an atheist or any other religion. I've known folks like you for years and would love to see your thoughts on you deathbed....you know...to see how little faith you have.

People like what they like for different reasons. You could have liked Cardinal baseball because you saw a good play and kept watching...who knows. I couldn't stand basketball when I was grwoing up until I saw Jordan and realized that regardless of the sport, he was simply amazing. I then proceeded to learn how to dunk and do a reverse before I could make a jump shot.

I think soccer is the most liked sport in the world due to it's age and it being easy to pick up as far as actually playing. I personally am a homer. I like the team of the city from whence I came. In baseball I rooted from the Orioles since they were the closest (Balitomore). Since I'm not a big fan, I will root for the Nats, now that we have a team again. (btw I might be doing their sound for at least 20 games; that and the Redskins (8 games))

If you do not understand faith then you are at a loss. Faith can make one strong when otherwise weak. Even simply not understanding it may give others a one up on you. I have many things about the human psyche besides just getting it out of a book.

If people would buckle down and think about why we do the things we do (specifically), they would realize it ain't all genetics.

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Well people in Russia and China aren't randomly killing each other and they aren't worried about God. So I guess you're wrong. :dry: Religious people kill all the time to save their own ass. What do you think is going on in Iraq. Being Christian certainly didn't seem to stop Bush.

I must apologise for being a college graduate. You see in college, the content of the books is largely forgotten, it is the ability to sift through information and seperate the wheat from the chaff which is important. Actually, I have never claimed to be a college graduate, are you just making stuff up?

By the way, how many times do i have to post that I am agnostic before you actually understand that?

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Well you just said you were a college graduate. That's enough for me.

People kill for a reason. How the hell do you know that folks in China don't belive in God? :blink: This what I'm about. You don't actually know shit. Does this mean you know the guy walking down your street has faith? Your books fail you. I guess your wrong.

Who said anything about random killing? Laws do work...to an extent. Faith is the same. A devout Christian can still lose their mind after mental trauma. You put faith as an absolute failing by pointing out the same shit I've heard before....
"He was Christian yet murdered people." ...........nothing profound...heard it before. :dry:

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

If you want to look at the sources of suffering in the world today I would venture that big business, greed and the excessive consumption of the worlds resources would be better places to start.

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...and hobbes may point out that some of those people are religious therefore faith means nothing?.......... :blink:

As a graduate myself I guess all that extra "lernin" has clouded my ability to see common sense so if you disagree with this please put it down to that.

There is no absolute. The fear of God may be the suppression of crime for some, however there are some that use God to justify their crimes. A while ago we had a thread asking why it's ok for someone to say God told them to do good but that person is considered mad if they use "God told me to kill them" in their trial defence.

An atheist may not fear retribution from God but it is amazing how many "believers" are in prison.

The BTK suspect is a prime example. A leader of his church and indeed it has been found that most (but not all) serial killers are devout believers. This is of course dismissed as "hijacking" religion by the same people that jump on the fact that these killers have a few porno mags.

My waffle here is really just an extension of my only other post on this thread.... The reason we don't live in total world harmony is not because of religion, political beliefs or differing cultures...those are just used as an excuse to justify the fact that we just don't want to get along

Im on Hobbes side on this.. ( I only read 1st 4 pages, so i dont know how its developed since then)

Atheism is as much a religion as any other.. ie Based on Faith and not evidence.

Its not the only "Negative" religion... Satanism wouldnt exist without Christianity for example, as it requires the Christian Devil (the bases of this is basically, "God forgives all, so keep the other fella happy" ) to exist.

If only 1 person believes in Zarguon, then its a religion. The fact that it was started by an author is immaterial, so was Scientology which is quite a large church now.


As there is no evidence, then its as valid a belief as any Religious faith, including my own.

To say that the Bible has "Historical Value" is laughable.

Its known that the Books it contains were picked and edited by a bunch of Romans that wished to maintain the status quo of Rome at that time, and that some of the things stated are untrue... such as Mary Magdolen (who, all evidence seems to suggest was an appostle, not a whore.. something the Vatican now admits is probably true).

The Bible is useful if read as JPaul looks at it, as parables/a guide to live your life by and not the "Literal Word of God" or a History Book... JPaul, my apologise if I have misinterpreted your feelings on how the Bible should be looked at, and i am not in any way trying to attack your personal faith in Catholicism which i know are sincere.

Paul

Busyman,

I live and observe, just like you. I have supplemented my personal experience with additional formal education so I get the synergy of the two. I do not report what I read in a book, books are fallable, hypothesis get overturned, opinions are just that.

I learn and observe and I base my conclusions on this.

As to the Cardinals, I can't remember a thing about how well they played when I was young. I do remember that my parents would give me a pack of baseball cards every morning while they slept in to keep me entertained. I could not read but I could recognize the Cardinal logo. I would take those cards and ask them if the player was Bob Gibson.

As to my deathbed, I am going to be terrified of ceasing to exist. I will honestly tell you that I have 100% assurance that I will not go to hell or heavan. This does not even cross my mind in the darkest hours. My thought is that if I am wrong about God, he will understand because he created me and understands why I came to believe as I did.

I fear dying and ceasing to exist. Forgotten by the world which moves onward without missing a beat.

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George Bush claims to be a Christian, therefore all Christians are responsible for any actions he takes or policies he makes. I thought you knew that.

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Where the fuck did this statement come from?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Well you just said you were a college graduate. That's enough for me.

People kill for a reason. How the hell do you know that folks in China don't belive in God? :blink: This what I'm about. You don't actually know shit. Does this mean you know the guy walking down your street has faith? Your books fail you. I guess your wrong.

Who said anything about random killing? Laws do work...to an extent. Faith is the same. A devout Christian can still their mind after mental trauma. You put faith as an absolute failing by pointing out the same shit I've heard before....
"He was Christian yet murdered people." ...........nothing profound...heard it before. :dry:

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The #1 "religion" in China is Atheism.

"meh" to the rest.

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I wrote it then pressed "submit reply"

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Well, you probably shouldn't of, it was shite.

Re: religion

Meh, as long as we are all allowed, from the start, to believe in what we wish to believe in, then I have no problem with religion or the lack of it.

I don't think everyone has that option today tho', I think that some communities, whether it be christian communities or islamic or something else entirely don't allow for people to form their own opinion. And that is in essence the problem I have with religion, I don't mind the ideals as guidelines, as long as they are good, but when the word of god's representatives becomes absolute, then we are in trouble.

I think, like hobbes appears to do, that atheism is a kind of religion, some people might not like the idea but I feel that any conviction with regards to something that can't be proven during our lifetime is a form of religion.

I don't see any part of the bible as containing any astonishing and irrefutable truth, sure it may on occasion seem as prophecy, but any text that's been around for as long as the bible has is bound to touch base with reality at some point, it's just a matter of calculating the odds.

Maybe religion has made the world better, in primitive societies it has been a means to, and a template for, civilization. It offers a reward for conforming with the rules of society and in some cases an (imagined?) punishment, and faith does go deeper than mere threats.

But I'm not sure it's that good for advanced societies, as it slows us down and sometimes hurts us, it may be a matter of not allowing abortions, or jihads getting started, or not allowing certain research because the holy scripture of your choice says no.

Who knows were we had been today without it, maybe we could have spare parts made when we had hurt our bodies beyond repair for instance, if it hadn't been for religion having so much power over society. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but on occasion I do feel that religion is like crime, if everyone acts on their own the impact on society isn't that bad, but if it becomes organized...

Believe what you want, but don't let it dictate everything you do, or everything society does.


I think I agree a little bit with everyone in this thread. :unsure:

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I post shite a lot, why should that particular instance be any different.

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I'm going to Biggles birthday party in the lounge. He's got a lava lamp you know.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

People kill for a reason. How the hell do you know that folks in China don't belive in God? :blink: This what I'm about. You don't actually know shit. Does this mean you know the guy walking down your street has faith? Your books fail you. I guess your wrong.

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The following demography may have given Hobbes a clue.

The following entry in demographic details:

CHINA
Area: 9,596,596 sq km.
Population: 1,273,111,000.
Capital: Beijiing.
Government: Single-party Communist.
Ethnic Groups: Han Chinese 92%, 55 other minority groups.
Languages: Mandarin Chinese ( Official).
Official Religion: atheism.
Currency: Renminbi yuan.

But boab, atheism was forced on them, who knows what they really believe in?

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The following demography may have given Hobbes a clue.

The following entry in demographic details:

CHINA
Area: 9,596,596 sq km.
Population: 1,273,111,000.
Capital: Beijiing.
Government: Single-party Communist.
Ethnic Groups: Han Chinese 92%, 55 other minority groups.
Languages: Mandarin Chinese ( Official).
Official Religion: atheism.
Currency: Renminbi yuan.

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It's only "officially atheist".

Religions there include: Taoism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity.

There are 20 million Christians in China for instance.

btw Before the Communists took over the major religions co-existed peacefully in China quite at odds with Hobbes' theory.

Whoever wrote that saw atheism as a religion.

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But boab, atheism was forced on them, who knows what they really believe in?

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It was probably Taoism followed by Buddism. Christianity sits about 2% of the populutaion at the moment. This will increase with advent of democracy.

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Whoever wrote that saw atheism as a religion.

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I have only looked at two sources to date:

http://www.vision4china.net/china/religion.htm

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Philips World Atlas.

both give the official religion of China as atheism.

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It's only "officially atheist".

Religions there include: Taoism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity.

There are 20 million Christians in China for instance.

btw Before the Communists took over the major religions co-existed peacefully in China quite at odds with Hobbes' theory.

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It is actually not at odds with my theory at all. I said that anyone who subscribes to faith based thought is not able to be flexible when it comes to a matter that contradicts their teaching. They have accepted immutable teaching which has a potential for conflict and serves to separate people.

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It is actually not at odds with my theory at all. I said that anyone who subscribes to faith based thought is not able to be flexible when it comes to a matter that contradicts their teaching. They have accepted immutable teaching which has a potential for conflict and serves to separate people.

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So what about the Buddhists, Confucianists and Daoists in China then? They had no problems embracing each other's different religious teachings.

That's because they are a bunch of :hug:

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So what about the Buddhists, Confucianists and Daoists in China then? They had no problems embracing each other's different religious teachings.

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Good for them, that is a healthy way to express a belief in a higher power as I discussed before in describing the unitarian church. People are bound under a belief in a higher power and people of different actual religions pray together.

I think this would be ideal. Sort of assemble the wisdom of all the religions without getting hung up on the particulars.

1 planet- 1 religion.

Of course, I still wouldn't believe, but then again, that is just me.

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So what about the Buddhists, Confucianists and Daoists in China then? They had no problems embracing each other's different religious teachings.

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There is a critical difference between those religions and others.

Each of those three are based on following the teachings not of an deity but of philosophers in the past - Confucianists based on Confucius's teachings, Daoism on those of a small group of sages (such as Lao-tzu), and Buddhism based on Siddhartha Gautama's. Likewise, their teachings are based towards the development and spiritual enlightenment of one's self.

Most other religions are based towards one or several supernatural entities who deserves respect and worship. The teachings are arguably more socially friendly - Be good to others as well as to yourself - But in a lot of these cases, the followers of these religions do these because they are told to by the almighty, not because it is their nature to.

However, like Hobbes says, I would love to see the united religion idea carried out, or at least the chance for everyone to see the same way with each their own differences (after all, we all think different from each other ;))

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But boab, atheism was forced on them, who knows what they really believe in?

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It's only "officially atheist".

Religions there include: Taoism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity.

There are 20 million Christians in China for instance.

btw Before the Communists took over the major religions co-existed peacefully in China quite at odds with Hobbes' theory.

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Uh oh the above posts contain common sense and book knowledge. :ohmy:

Someone is using the noggin. ;)

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Im on Hobbes side on this.. ( I only read 1st 4 pages, so i dont know how its developed since then)

Atheism is as much a religion as any other.. ie Based on Faith and not evidence.

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Whether it's a religion was never really an issue for me. Call it a religion..great...uh sure...I'm on his side too. :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

George Bush claims to be a Christian, therefore all Christians are responsible for any actions he takes or policies he makes. I thought you knew that.

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We are on the same page.....

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We are on the same page.....

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Please explain how this post makes any sense? You are saying that George Bush is not a born again Christian and he is lying too us to further his political career.

Crack head to born again Bible thumper. Sounds convincing to me.


http://www.moviemalls.com/images/indexhomealonepic1.jpg

Do you think he was selling us a line? :devil:


Bush considering his political future decides on campaign slogans:

America, I won't sell you a line, but I might buy one. ;)

or

I'm born again and I love God. Family values and all that.

I think somebody may have advised him wisely.

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Please explain how this post makes any sense? You are saying that George Bush is not a born again Christian and he is lying too us to further his political career.

Crack head to born again Bible thumper. Sounds convincing to me.


http://www.moviemalls.com/images/indexhomealonepic1.jpg

Do you think he was selling us a line? :devil:


Bush considering his political future decides on campaign slogans:

America, I won't sell you a line, but I might buy one. ;)

or

I'm born again and I love God. Family values and all that.

I think somebody may have advised him wisely.

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Jeez man...read my and JP's posts in context then come back to me.

Read what it says..You are all explaining this and that which doesn't warrant explanation.

Buy a vowel or something. :1eye:

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Jeez man...read my and JP's posts in context then come back to me.

Read what it says..You are all explaining this and that which doesn't warrant explanation.

Buy a vowel or something. :1eye:

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Go to your bed. this is far too late at night for you to be up. I wont tell you again. :ph34r:

Good Night. :)

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Go to your bed. this is far too late at night for you to be up. I wont tell you again. :ph34r:

Good Night. :)

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Damn man what's funny is I did shortly after that post. :lol:

I was just on the computer without doing something else at the time (except trying to watch Bill Maher)...very unusual.

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Jeez man...read my and JP's posts in context then come back to me.

Read what it says..You are all explaining this and that which doesn't warrant explanation.

Buy a vowel or something. :1eye:

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Context is simple.


You said that answering to a higher power prevents people from acting on their selfish desires.

Bush sent troops to kill people despite being a Christian. This means he is killing people in spite of God's order not to. His belief in God stopped nothing.

Jp then stated that this means that somehow I was blaming all Christians for Bushs' action.

That conclusion is illogical. I mean there is absolutely nothing in my posts that would infer that, nothing.


How can you agree with such an illogical statement?

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Oh and you didn't realise I was being facetious. Arse off, arsey.

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At the time, I felt it was giving the impression to others reading the thread that I was somehow smearing all Christians because of the actions of Bush.

My point was that people seem to do what they want, despite mouthing a devotion to a God that strictly forbids killing.

If you were simply interjecting a comment that Christians were getting shit because of the actions of Bush and that is what BM is agreeing with, I am fine with that.

I simply wanted to make it clear that I was not casting such aspersions.

The thread was running a bit hot at the time.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Bush sent troops to kill people despite being a Christian. This means he is killing people in spite of God's order not to. His belief in God stopped nothing.

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Strictly speaking, the commandment is:

Thou shalt not kill..

Says bog all about getting someone else to do it for you...
:whistling

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Strictly speaking, the commandment is:

Thou shalt not kill..

Says bog all about getting someone else to do it for you...
:whistling

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So he has God on a technicality. He pwns! :01: