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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Dunno, there are people being arrested and held for weeks without charge under Terrorism Acts around the world, including here.
If I was asian and some copper pointed a gun at me in London atm, im pretty sure i'd run for it too. :ph34r:
Boab, you wouldnt say that if your skin was darker than it is :angry:
I have been called a Bl*k Bar Steward a few times.:)
The colour of your skin should not make you feel guilty. Nor should it give you an excuse from obeying lawful instructions to 'surrender'. Would you have felt great if this fellow had detonated a bomb on the tube and killed more people?
I'm sorry but it has reached the stage where we cannot take that chance.
IMO a small amount of innocent lives lost is better than a large amount of innocent lives lost.
We will not solve this problem by sticking to the European Human Rights or any other Do-Gooding establishment. We will only do it by hitting the bastards before they can do damage.
P.S. there is absolutely no excuse for the taking of innocent lives, unless in error. No matter what the cause. We are not talking 'open war' here.
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Originally Posted by DarthInsinuate
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most people would be frightened by the sight of a gun and freeze, regardless of ethnicity
except for black people of course, they would probably pull out an uzi and shout "i'm gonna fuck you up, pig bitch"
You sound like a idiot. STFU.
Anyway...
The didn't deserve to be killed but at the same time he was an idiot...one, for a coat on in the middle of July and two, for running from authorities shortly after a terrorist bombing.
I wonder if a terrorist paid him (if he really wasn't one) to test the security.
Now authorities shooting him 5 times while he was pinned sounds a little far-fetched and over the top as well.
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Originally Posted by bigboab
IMO a small amount of innocent lives lost is better than a large amount of innocent lives lost.
I am genuinely surprised at this from you Boab. Perhaps because of your view on the death penalty.
The logic is IMO without flaw in itself, although we agree that the loss of no innocent lives would be even better..... What a pity we don't live in a perfect world :(
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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IMO a small amount of innocent lives lost is better than a large amount of innocent lives lost.
I am genuinely surprised at this from you Boab. Perhaps because of your view on the death penalty.
The logic is IMO without flaw in itself, although we agree that the loss of no innocent lives would be even better..... What a pity we don't live in a perfect world :(
When at war you amend your views according to the situation.:)
I have always held the belief that the shoot to kill policy works.
P.s. what were my views on Capital Punishment? I've fogotten.:(
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Originally Posted by bigboab
P.s. what were my views on Capital Punishment? I've fogotten.:(
the "impression" I got was you were against it..... partly because of the fear an innocent person may die.
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P.s. what were my views on Capital Punishment? I've fogotten.:(
the "impression" I got was you were against it..... partly because of the fear an innocent person may die.
No I'm all for it. Providing that there is no question of guilt.
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Whilst I would agree that every effort is made to ensure that the public is safe I would quite like to be safe from my police too.
This poor chap was under surveillance, followed, and finally jumped and shot whilst going about his lawful business. The intelligence agencies have a lot to answer for. They are complaining about being stretched and yet waste resources on a Brazilian electrician who it would appear has absolutely nothing to do with any form of terrorism.
One suspects it is the same intelligence that had us believing Iraq was armed to the teeth. We as citizens cannot know if we have been mistakenly targeted. I have in the past had an occasion to make a mad dash for a bus or a train. I would be most displeased to have my brains blown out because some "intelligence" goon had told a group of plain clothes policemen behind me that I was a mad bomber. To be fair to the police, by the time this kind of mis-information has reached them they can act in no other way.
Between bombers and mis-directed police, I think London is probably a place best avoided at the moment.
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the "impression" I got was you were against it..... partly because of the fear an innocent person may die.
No I'm all for it. Providing that there is no question of guilt.
So we are as one in this.
I got the impression because you raised a question to me about it as if I was fine with it even though innocent people have been executed. You didn't state your own view on it as a whole..The question just seem anti-death sentence. But now it's clear and I am no longer surprised by your statement on this thread. :)
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No I'm all for it. Providing that there is no question of guilt.
So we are as one in this.
I got the impression because you raised a question to me about it as if I was fine with it even though innocent people have been executed. You didn't state your own view on it as a whole..The question just seem anti-death sentence. But now it's clear and I am no longer surprised by your statement on this thread. :)
I move with the times Vid.:) Trouble is the Times ends up in the Paper Recycle Bin.:cry:
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if a guy in plain clothes pointed a gun at me i'd probably leg it too
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
if a guy in plain clothes pointed a gun at me i'd probably leg it too
what if they were shouting "police"?
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I dont care if they say puliss,thankyou or excuse me,it still put the shits up ya to have a gun pointed at ya,but you dont run!
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Originally Posted by Biggles
Whilst I would agree that every effort is made to ensure that the public is safe I would quite like to be safe from my police too.
This poor chap was under surveillance, followed, and finally jumped and shot whilst going about his lawful business. The intelligence agencies have a lot to answer for. They are complaining about being stretched and yet waste resources on a Brazilian electrician who it would appear has absolutely nothing to do with any form of terrorism.
One suspects it is the same intelligence that had us believing Iraq was armed to the teeth. We as citizens cannot know if we have been mistakenly targeted. I have in the past had an occasion to make a mad dash for a bus or a train. I would be most displeased to have my brains blown out because some "intelligence" goon had told a group of plain clothes policemen behind me that I was a mad bomber. To be fair to the police, by the time this kind of mis-information has reached them they can act in no other way.
Between bombers and mis-directed police, I think London is probably a place best avoided at the moment.
Intelligence is still supposed to follow leads Biggles. :dry:
If an officer asks you to stop, fucking stop. It ain't rocket science.
It's almost like, "if guns are pointed at you, you don't quickly reach into your coat....even if it is for your wallet." :ermm:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
If an officer asks you to stop, fucking stop. It ain't rocket science.
It's almost like, "if guns are pointed at you, you don't quickly reach into your coat....even if it is for your wallet." :ermm:
I'm not sure how it would have affected this man as he was Brazilian by all accounts but the UK doesn't have armed police as a norm. The armed units are "special".
They don't have the gun culture we have so wouldn't risk being shot by getting out of their car when pulled over for a traffic violation and wouldn't in all honesty be expecting to be shot by police officers.
Admittedly they would surely identify themselves "Halt...armed police" but then as I said it's not typical to have armed police and if these were non uniform it wouldn't be automatic to assume they were police.
I wonder if they fire warning shots
You must have heard the joke about the British policeman "Stop....or I'll say stop again" ;)
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He came from Brazil...
Dont people "disappear" there sometimes?
Maybe this is why he runs from armed coppers when he aint done anything?
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If an officer asks you to stop, fucking stop. It ain't rocket science.
It's almost like, "if guns are pointed at you, you don't quickly reach into your coat....even if it is for your wallet." :ermm:
I'm not sure how it would have affected this man as he was Brazilian by all accounts but the UK doesn't have armed police as a norm. The armed units are "special".
They don't have the gun culture we have so wouldn't risk being shot by getting out of their car when pulled over for a traffic violation and wouldn't in all honesty be expecting to be shot by police officers.
Admittedly they would surely identify themselves "Halt...armed police" but then as I said it's not typical to have armed police and if these were non uniform it wouldn't be automatic to assume they were police.
I wonder if they fire warning shots
You must have heard the joke about the British policeman "Stop....or I'll say stop again" ;)
Yes I have.
One caveat.....there was a fucking terrorist act committed just recently. The guy was an idiot and had been in the UK for awhile.
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didnt i post in here? :unsure:
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didnt i post in here? :unsure:
I think it was in teh drawing room that you declared urban war against Brazilian Electicians :D
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Yes I have.
One caveat.....there was a fucking terrorist act committed just recently. The guy was an idiot and had been in the UK for awhile.
I did say I couldn't vouch for the way this foreigner acted, I was talking about British people in general who because they are not used to armed police generally would possibly not have the automatic reaction Americans would.
But on the point of a terrorist act just committed, the British are far more relaxed about those kind of things than the Americans are. This may have something to do with the fact that they have experienced it a lot more.
I can't remember who I made the analogy to but when it came to reactions to terrorism the USA was like a new parent that will sterilise the bottle if the baby drops it before giving it back by boiling it..... Britain is more like the parent that has 4 children and sterilising consists of wiping with shirt tails.
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These bombings are going too far, I think there's gonna be one masive attack in the end. I can smell it from Canada.
